WWI Digest 3498 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) How limited is 'limited run'? by "Jeff Wilson" 2) RE: How limited is 'limited run'? by Shane Weier 3) Re: How limited is 'limited run'? by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 4) Re: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... by "Lee M." 5) RE: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... by Shane Weier 6) Speaking of Earl at NKR - was: How limited is 'limited run'? by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 7) RE: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... by "Ray Boorman" 8) RE: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... by Shane Weier 9) 4th July was Re: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... by Witold Kozakiewicz 10) Eduard's E-Day (International Modellers Meeting) by Ivan Subrt 11) RE: How limited is 'limited run'? by Ivan Subrt 12) RE: Nieuport Question by "Nigel Rayner" 13) RE: Welcome back Pedro by "Nigel Rayner" 14) Re: Speaking of Earl at NKR - was: How limited is 'limited run'? by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 15) Re: Speaking of Earl at NKR - was: How limited is 'limited run'? by "Matt Bittner" 16) Re: Eduard's E-Day (International Modellers Meeting) by "Matt Bittner" 17) Re: How limited is 'limited run'? by "Michael Kendix" 18) Re: Speaking of Earl at NKR - was: How limited is 'limited run'? by "Michael Kendix" 19) RE: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 20) Some news from Luedemann by Volker Haeusler 21) RE: Thanks by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 22) Re: Speaking of Earl at NKR - was: How limited is 'limited run'? by MAnde72343@aol.com 23) Berthold/Beaulieu-Marconnay D.VII by Witold Kozakiewicz 24) Re: Eduard's E-Day (International Modellers Meeting) by "Hans Trauner" 25) RE: Eduard's E-Day (International Modellers Meeting) by "Marcio Antonio Campos" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 16:13:18 +1000 From: "Jeff Wilson" To: Subject: How limited is 'limited run'? Message-ID: OK, rant mode engaged. I've just read the Internet Modeller review of the new Mac Phönix kits and I knew Earl had them in stock at NKR, so I sauntered on over to his website to place my order for one of each. He's sold out. He's had them for less than a week and he's sold out. I know that's not unusual these days and I know it pays to be quick, but my budget is not bottomless, so buying decisions are made with some caution and I only go for the subjects I really (really, really...) want. Which begs my initial question... Just how limited is limited run? Anyone with industry links care to let the cat out of the bag? How many kits in a Mac run? How many from an Eduard LTM mould? It's not the end of the world. I could get them elsewhere for more than I might have paid at NKR and Earl might still be doing a restock (I await his email reply), but I'm cheesed 'cause I was hoping to fondle that particular plastic this weekend. Ahhh, breathe deeply and disengage rant mode... Best, Jeff (currently in digest, so please forgive the time delay in any responses I might offer). Jeffrey Wilson Photography Unit Research School of Biological Sciences Australian National University Acton, Canberra, ACT, 0200 Phone +61 (0)2 6125 3635 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:24:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Cc: "'wilson@rsbs.anu.edu.au'" Subject: RE: How limited is 'limited run'? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1DF@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Jeff, > > I've just read the Internet Modeller review of the new Mac > Phönix kits and I knew Earl had them in stock at NKR, so I > sauntered on over to his website to place my order for one of > each. He's sold out. He's had them for less than a week and > he's sold out. I know that's not unusual these days and I > know it pays to be quick, but my budget is not bottomless, so > buying decisions are made with some caution and I only go for > the subjects I really (really, really...) want. > > Which begs my initial question... > > Just how limited is limited run? Limited Run usually refers not to the number of copies of the models made, but to the potential number that can be made using the moulding technology. Looking at the MAC kits, they're *not* limited run technology - clearly coming from a metal tool at high pressure. However... > Anyone with industry links > care to let the cat out of the bag? How many kits in a Mac > run? How many from an Eduard LTM mould? .....I have no idea what the production run would be. BUT....in a true limited run kit, the limit placed by the failure of the tooling ensures no repeat releases, while I'm betting that when the MAC kits run out they'll be popped again. Assuming they've run out and not just that Earl underestimated his market. (IN fact, even Hasegawa -for example- kits are "limited production" in so far as they mould just so many, then put away the tools until next they decide to release that kit. AFAIK no model company has every model in continuous production like a car or television manufacturer might) > It's not the end of the world. I could get them elsewhere for > more than I might have paid at NKR and Earl might still be > doing a restock (I await his email reply), but I'm cheesed > 'cause I was hoping to fondle that particular plastic this weekend. I'd bet he will. But I hope he sends me my D.VII's and Rolands before stuffing about with your re-order ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:52:16 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: How limited is 'limited run'? Message-ID: <002601c10455$dd6687e0$7f01010a@jaring.my> Jeff asked: > I've just read the Internet Modeller review of the new Mac Phönix kits and I knew Earl had them in stock at NKR, so I sauntered on over to his website to place my order for one of each. He's sold out. He's had them for less than a week and he's sold out. I know that's not unusual these days and I know it pays to be quick, but my budget is not bottomless, so buying decisions are made with some caution and I only go for the subjects I really (really, really...) want. > > Which begs my initial question... > > Just how limited is limited run? Anyone with industry links care to let the cat out of the bag? How many kits in a Mac run? How many from an Eduard LTM mould? I'd say: Basically unlimited. I have no connection to this industry, but note how even the most "limited" production kits, the Czechmaster resins are still available. Originally it was claimed they would do only 100 or so kits, but even after 10 or 15 years you can still get any of their kits, if you look close enough. And given the way the MAC kits are designed, packed etc., I would bet that their production run is measured in thousands - so the chances of early unavailability are rather limited. Note also the earlier Fokker E IV and Pfalz are also still available. Volker (whose Roden Fokkers and MAC Phoenix should be somewhere between Austalia and Malaysia while this is written) - only Malaysian customs between me and some more modeling fun... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 01:36:53 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... Message-ID: <3B42B985.1E0FB01A@x25.net> They may have lived in Pennsylvania close to some of my early relatives. If your Dad came over near Reading ,Pa. the chances are good that my GGG chased him a bit if he stole horses, because, after the Revolution he was Under-Sheriff of Reading. The Sheriff was named Christ at the time. Didn't we really have fun families during those day. Revolutionaries and Cops and Robbers. What a way to go. We still wound up with a hell of a country, compared to all the rest. Lee John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > My Mom's folks were here. My Dad's were probably stealing horses & children > in Poland! ;-) > > Cyg. > > > > It is a easy for the folks in other places to forget that the 4th of July > is > > a U.S. Holiday to celebrate our National birthday. > > > > 226 years old today and My GGG Grandfather Conrad was there. > > > > Many are away on Holiday. Visiting friends and relatives. It is no more > > quiet than I expected. > > > > Lee M. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:43:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1E0@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Lee says: > We still wound up with a > hell of a country, compared to all the rest. Thanks a bunch mate. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:05:29 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Speaking of Earl at NKR - was: How limited is 'limited run'? Message-ID: <003001c10457$b8a0db20$7f01010a@jaring.my> While speaking of Earl Martlell and NKR Models: There is a Online Model Shop rating taking place at Modeling Madness: http://www.modelingmadness.com/rate.htm I was *very* pleased to see that NKR is the *clear* frontrunner in this rating, with a 100 % score especially in speed of delivery and "overall satisfaction - I guess he really deserved that. I mailed my last order Sunday morning, and got the confirmation Monday around noon that the stuff is on it's way. However, what really surprised me was the shop "on the other end" of the range: that's Roll Models, with a total score of 21 out of 30 possible (versus 28.58 for NKR). From mails to the list, I had the impression Roll also offers a good service. However, in this rating he mainly fails on Speed of Delivery, Availability and Overall Satisfaction - alltoogether not to promising. As I was about to order from them (they got some stuff difficult to find elsewhere) - what is the overall impression of the service from Roll Models? Are they better than the rating on MM would indicate? Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:52:01 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... Message-ID: <3B42BD11.000001.83265@ray.bconnected.net> Shane, According to the UN annual study Australia came second to Norway this year as the most liveable country in the world. If you guys hadn't tried to nobble the judges with vegemite I bet you would have won. ;) Just for the record Canada dropped to third and the US came sixth. Ray -------Original Message------- From: Shane Weier Date: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:46:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... Lee says: > We still wound up with a > hell of a country, compared to all the rest. Thanks a bunch mate. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:02:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1E1@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ray > According to the UN annual study Australia came second to > Norway this year > as the most liveable country in the world. If you guys > hadn't tried to > nobble the judges with vegemite I bet you would have won. ;) > > Just for the record Canada dropped to third and the US came sixth. > It has nothing to do with the Vegemite mate. We've dropped a place because the lower A$ has made the cost of imported models rise :-( See - OT ! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 09:17:02 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: 4th July was Re: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... Message-ID: <3B42C2EE.36BC8670@bg.am.lodz.pl> John & Allison Cyganowski napisa³(a): > > My Mom's folks were here. My Dad's were probably stealing horses & children > in Poland! ;-) Or were making the best brass pots and pans. And telling fortune... All the best with your Independece Day. On banners of Polish troops durring Kosciuszko's Insurection in 1794 there was device - 'For freedom ours and yours' and the same words can be seen many years later durring WWII And back little OT - Thanks for helping us with fighting for our Independence - American boys created the most known Polish squadron, 7 eskadra mysliwska known as Kosciuszko Squadron, later in 30's it was 111 Eskadra and in England famous 303Squadron - the only one which did not carry our chessboard as national insygnia durring BoB, but Kosciuszko badge designed by american pilot of 7 Eskadra. I wish one of modern squadrons would continue that great traditions. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:18:59 +0200 From: Ivan Subrt To: "'WWI List'" Subject: Eduard's E-Day (International Modellers Meeting) Message-ID: <01C10473.548D96C0@a161-158.dialup.iol.cz> I don't know if there were any ads in foreign magazines, but somebody may be interested in Eduard announcing 1st International Modellers Meeting to be held on September 22, 2001 in my city, Pilsen (Western Bohemia). Pilsen lies on the D5 highway connecting western border with Germany with our capital Prague (about 90 kms/40 min ride in both directions). I know nothing about the programme now, but I am going to contact Eduard and convey any information to the list. Cheers! Ivan Subrt http://www.czechia.com/silverbird "The air is our sea." Czech proverb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:22:07 +0200 From: Ivan Subrt To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: How limited is 'limited run'? Message-ID: <01C10473.58CF1100@a161-158.dialup.iol.cz> Jeff asks: Just how limited is limited run? Anyone with industry links care to let the cat out of the bag? How many kits in a Mac run? How many from an Eduard LTM mould? Me *thinks* Eduard LTM kit runs about 5000 but it could be more. In one letter they mentioned "making 5500 Fokkers F.I, than changing some details of the mold (openings for underwing skids, rudder shape) and starting Dr.Is (amount not stated)". In the very same letter they say: "Production of F.I/Dr.I was delayed by our best toolmaker having broken his leg. Not that he worked with it, but he had to stand at his machine". :) OMHO, MAC and Gavia moldings bear strong resemblance with Eduard's now, so maybe they are hiring Eduard's expensive machinery/skilled toolmakers for their kits. But I can be completely wrong, as this issues are kept top secret here. The new-type molds can probably last much greater runs and they are probably stocked and could be used in the future again. It is now seen in the "Upgraded" line of MPM kits - PE detail parts dumped, resin instead of them, but main parts are still the same, molded from old type of short-run molds. And, of course, anybody interested in MAC kits are invited to check my website (shameless plug here :) Cheers! Ivan Subrt http://www.czechia.com/silverbird "The air is our sea." Czech proverb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:20:07 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Nieuport Question Message-ID: <000101c1046a$84199c80$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Thansk for the feedback on the Nieuport question everyone. I'd lost the link to the Nie23 on Phillippe's site (coudn't find it in the archie), so now I have it back. Cheers, Nigel PS Happy 4th of July to our American cousins. Celebrate the fact that you fought for the right to speak with funny accents :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:20:05 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Welcome back Pedro Message-ID: <000001c1046a$8357d320$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Diego wrote: >Errr.... well I try to do my best, but I'm not really on the same league >that Ernie. He also finish models That's true. I'm waiting for some more progress on that nice Albatros you're doing oin the cookup site. Get back to work now! >and play musical instruments, feats that I'm unable to do very often. Besides I'm a very serious person. I'm afraid the evidence of your posts contradicts that last statement! You've had us all ROTFLOHO. Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:26:13 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Speaking of Earl at NKR - was: How limited is 'limited run'? Message-ID: <005f01c1047c$22e36bf0$6437183f@cyrixp166> We always hurt the ones we love......Seriously, I order from Roll once in a while. I have always received what I ordered in a reasonable amount of time. I strarted buying from them when they were Battle Hobbies before the Internet. Regards, John Cyg. > As I was about to order from them (they got some stuff difficult to find > elsewhere) - what is the overall impression of the service from Roll Models? > Are they better than the rating on MM would indicate? > > Volker > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 07:18:09 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Speaking of Earl at NKR - was: How limited is 'limited run'? Message-ID: <200107041216.FAA19471@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Wed, 4 Jul 2001 02:51:47 -0400 (EDT), Volker H„usler wrote: > As I was about to order from them (they got some stuff difficult to find > elsewhere) - what is the overall impression of the service from Roll Models? > Are they better than the rating on MM would indicate? While I have had excellent service from Roll - I usually order the things he has in stock - I can see someone's *impatient* thoughts on Roll Models. He does *not* stock everything, but *can get* practically anything. However, that means that all items are not in stock at one time and he ends up having to order them from elsewhere. So, if you order something he has on hand, you'll get it relatively quickly. If not you'll be waiting. I have had no problems with communication from Roll, but I also consider him a friend, whom I have known before he opened Roll Models. I have heard others complain of his lack of response, but have not seen it personally. So, there's a slightly biased opinion. :-) Maybe I'll jump over to MM and "increase" his score a little. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 07:19:58 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Eduard's E-Day (International Modellers Meeting) Message-ID: <200107041217.FAA22858@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Wed, 4 Jul 2001 04:27:41 -0400 (EDT), Ivan Subrt wrote: > I don't know if there were any ads in foreign magazines, but somebody may > be interested in Eduard announcing 1st International Modellers Meeting to > be held on September 22, 2001 in my city, Pilsen (Western Bohemia). Pilsen > lies on the D5 highway connecting western border with Germany with our > capital Prague (about 90 kms/40 min ride in both directions). > > I know nothing about the programme now, but I am going to contact Eduard > and convey any information to the list. Excellent! Sounds neat. And while there, be sure to put a huge bug in Eduard's ear to release their Nieuport 17 in 1/72nd. They can count on a lot of sales from me, let alone others on the list. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 12:25:48 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: How limited is 'limited run'? Message-ID: >From: "Jeff Wilson" >I've just read the Internet Modeller review of the new Mac Phönix kits >and >I knew Earl had them in stock at NKR, so I sauntered on over to his > >website to place my order for one of each. He's sold out. He's had them > >for less than a week and he's sold out Jeff: As someone else implied, this has more to do with the rating he received on Modeling Madnesses' customer survey. Please see http://modelingmadness.com/rate.htm where NKR receives a "Perfect 5" for overall satisfaction. 1. He gets things turned around quickly. 2. Emails back within hours usually, depending on the time difference etc from Washington DC. 3.The kits get here in a week from the time of order. 4.The strong US dollar and the Australian sales tax that foreigners don't pay, means that AUS$17 translates to US$8. 5. He has the materials in stock that he list on his sight. IIf it's sold out, the site says so, as you found out. Low prices aided by exchange rate markets and high quality service. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 12:32:29 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Speaking of Earl at NKR - was: How limited is 'limited run'? Message-ID: >From: "Matt Bittner" > >On Wed, 4 Jul 2001 02:51:47 -0400 (EDT), Volker H„usler wrote: > >>As I was about to order from them (they got some stuff difficult to >>find >>elsewhere) - what is the overall impression of the service from >>Roll >>Models? Are they better than the rating on MM would indicate? > >While I have had excellent service from Roll - I usually order the >things he has in stock - I can see someone's *impatient* thoughts on >Roll Models. He does *not* stock everything, but *can get* practically >anything. However, that means that all items are not in stock at one >time and he ends up having to order them from elsewhere. So, if you >order something he has on hand, you'll get it relatively quickly. If >not you'll be waiting. I have had no problems with communication from >Roll, but I also consider him a friend, whom I have known before he >opened Roll Models. I have heard others complain of his lack of >response, but have not seen it personally. > >So, there's a slightly biased opinion. :-) Maybe I'll jump over to MM >and "increase" his score a little. Matt: My experiences with Roll Models occurred a couple of years ago. First I found that they didn't return emails very quickly - it was hard to get a response. Next, I tried phoning when I returned home from work but they were closed and an answering machine picked up. Then I rushed home early, phoned before they were supposed to close but they had gone early - I think it was a Friday before a holiday weekend - and I got the answering machine again. So that was it. Their prices are reasonable but I need to know how long things are going to take, whether they actually have things in stock etc. He runs his business out of his home or whateve so the man is really trying but I have other vendors close to home who are doing the same and that I find it easier to deal with. I didn't make a rating for him in the survey because I'd never actually bought anything. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:02:23 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... Message-ID: <001c01c10489$92912160$401ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> Fortunately next July 9th will be a holiday here. Not in Brazil, but only in my State, Sao Paulo. We will celebrate a revolution in which Sao Paulo fought against the rest of the country - and we lost (it was in 1932). Anyway, I'll work a bit more in my Fokker. Best regards Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Shane > Weier > Sent: Terça-feira, 3 de Julho de 2001 21:50 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Either It's Been REALLY Quiet... > > > Lee, > > > > It is a easy for the folks in other places to forget that the > > 4th of July is > > a U.S. Holiday to celebrate our National birthday. > > Holy smokes Lee you crack me up ! > > If there's even *one* listee who doesn't know that July 4 is > a US holiday > (and why) I'll be utterly amazed > > Wish I had a holiday today. My bed is calling meeeeeeee > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ************************************************************** > ******** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 04:23:06 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Some news from Luedemann Message-ID: The latest newsletter from Classic Plane shows *another* 2 new Luedemann resins - in total this series is now at 20+, not bad when considering the fact that it only exists for around 5 or so months´! The new kits are: Lebed XII (2Motor-1Skivariante) 29,95 DM Phoenix-Albatros B.I 29,95 DM with the Lebed 12 maybe one of the most interesting news of the year... Oh yes, the German text (I took that from the Classic Plane webpage) implies "2 engines, one variant with skis"). Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:16:15 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: Thanks Message-ID: <002701c10493$e38da8e0$401ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > I did miss you a > lot and I'm > very glad to see that I'm no longer the only one speaking the > tongue of > Pessoa and Jorge Amado. Pedro, Don't forget our friend Fernando! He joined us some time ago, so we lusophones are 3 now. And I don't like Jorge Amado... Machado de Assis is much better! :-)))))) With best regards from Brazil Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:05:40 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Speaking of Earl at NKR - was: How limited is 'limited run'? Message-ID: <102.5722b35.28748ac4@aol.com> Yes, and no, Roll Models is not the fastest, they try, but they do not have the space or staff of the monsters like Squadron, etc.to maintain a huge stock "on hand". But they have a very wide range of sources, and handle a wider variety of stuff than most, I get all my OT stuff from them, the prices are excellent, and they can get almost anything, but occasionally, one has to be patient. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 17:33:47 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Berthold/Beaulieu-Marconnay D.VII Message-ID: <3B43375B.A6061011@bg.am.lodz.pl> I got Fokker D.VII anthology. There is profile on p.28 of Bertholds early D.VII - that is clear but next to it is Beaulieu-Marconnay's 4D. with Berthlods sword showing through new personal insignia. On description p. 38 I read that it was D.VIIF with some modifications. Looking an the picture on p.52 (JG15-3) I can see that engine covers needs little reworking but it looks very easy conversion with DML kit. In fact it looks like early Fokker build plane but with late style pipe shape exhaust. Questions - Is it the same plane as picture above (JG15-1) or Berthold used two different Fokker D.VIIs?, If it was the same plane has it early style exhaust and during service it got new engine with new exhaust? If so was it _before_ Beaulieu-Marconnay got this plane? And what about wing camouflage? No white section on upper wing. Was it overpainted by Beaulieu-Marconnay like wing crosses? Why do I ask? First I wanted to build Berthold's plane - I was quite sure he flew late version, then I find that he used early Fokker (as in Roden kit), now I can see that he used also D.VIIF (?). Most probably that it was camouflaged like his Pfalz D.III of early D.VII. Any opinions? Is there anything wrong with this analyze? In other words would it be great mistake if I paint DML kit in Berthold's markings with red/blue fuselage, and modify engine covers like on Beaulieu-Marconnay picture? Hm, I'm writing and I think that 4D. is also very, very interesting - with overpainted Berthold's sword.... I'm thinking too much -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:51:09 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Eduard's E-Day (International Modellers Meeting) Message-ID: <003401c104a1$252aeb20$cca072d4@FRITZweb> Ivan, can you send me any details, please? Timetable, location in Pilsen? I am living in Nuernberg, so it's just 3 hours away! I'll try to come! Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Subrt" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: Eduard's E-Day (International Modellers Meeting) > I don't know if there were any ads in foreign magazines, but somebody may > be interested in Eduard announcing 1st International Modellers Meeting to > be held on September 22, 2001 in my city, Pilsen (Western Bohemia). Pilsen > lies on the D5 highway connecting western border with Germany with our > capital Prague (about 90 kms/40 min ride in both directions). > > I know nothing about the programme now, but I am going to contact Eduard > and convey any information to the list. > > Cheers! > > Ivan Subrt > http://www.czechia.com/silverbird > > "The air is our sea." Czech proverb > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:00:12 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: Eduard's E-Day (International Modellers Meeting) Message-ID: <000f01c104a2$69d27da0$401ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> Come on, I'm already full of envy due to the Nats and you come with this meeting near the most beautiful city of the world, Prague :-)))))))))))))) Perhaps I should organize something here. With best regards from Brazil, so far from Chicago and Plzen :´-( Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Hans > Trauner > Sent: Quarta-feira, 4 de Julho de 2001 12:53 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Eduard's E-Day (International Modellers Meeting) > > > Ivan, can you send me any details, please? Timetable, > location in Pilsen? I > am living in Nuernberg, so it's just 3 hours away! I'll try to come! > > Hans > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ivan Subrt" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:27 AM > Subject: Eduard's E-Day (International Modellers Meeting) > > > > I don't know if there were any ads in foreign magazines, > but somebody may > > be interested in Eduard announcing 1st International > Modellers Meeting to > > be held on September 22, 2001 in my city, Pilsen (Western > Bohemia). Pilsen > > lies on the D5 highway connecting western border with > Germany with our > > capital Prague (about 90 kms/40 min ride in both directions). > > > > I know nothing about the programme now, but I am going to > contact Eduard > > and convey any information to the list. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Ivan Subrt > > http://www.czechia.com/silverbird > > > > "The air is our sea." Czech proverb > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3498 **********************