WWI Digest 3489 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside by GRBroman@aol.com 2) Re: Joystick AR.1 help by Dennis Ugulano 3) Re: MAC Kits - suggestions for future kits by "Steven Perry" 4) History (not too ot I hope...) by =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= 5) Bleriot bust & Cigogne book by Crawford Neil 6) Re: SWMBO WAS: MAC kits by "Michael Kendix" 7) Re: R: Italian Ni.27 (was:R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P) by Matt Bittner 8) Re: SWMBO WAS: MAC kits by "Dale Sebring" 9) RE: MAC kits - substitution :-) by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 10) RE: Bleriot bust & Cigogne book by "Gaston Graf" 11) RE: Bad modelling assumptions by "Gaston Graf" 12) RE: OT Friends by "Gaston Graf" 13) RE: Bleriot bust & Cigogne book by Crawford Neil 14) RE: Bleriot bust & Cigogne book by "Gaston Graf" 15) Ignorance of history was:Re: OT Friends by "Hans Trauner" 16) Production numbers wasRE: Bleriot bust & Cigogne book by Crawford Neil 17) RE: MAC Models by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 18) RE: MAC Models by Crawford Neil 19) RE: Russian SPAD 7 by "Hillman, Tom" 20) MAC-list by "Hans Trauner" 21) RE: MAC Models by GRBroman@aol.com 22) RE: Russian SPAD 7 by Crawford Neil 23) RE: MAC Models by "Ray Boorman" 24) RE: MAC-list by Crawford Neil 25) More Nats (was RE: MAC Models) by Matt Bittner 26) RE: MAC-list by Matt Bittner 27) RE: MAC-list by "Michael Kendix" 28) Re: Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside by Matt Bittner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:51:55 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside Message-ID: <11c.fd480b.286dc5db@aol.com> In a message dated Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:55:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ray Boorman" writes: << Todd, is it true that on a clear day in Iowa you can see that far too. ;0) Yeah, but only if you are standing on top of your car. ;) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:59:42 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Joystick AR.1 help Message-ID: <200106290759_MC3-D790-B724@compuserve.com> Matt, My scanner is not co operating this morning. I will get the scan to you as soon as possible. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 6/28/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:03:24 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: MAC Kits - suggestions for future kits Message-ID: <001d01c10093$80146fa0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > Whats wrong with the Revell Tripe, Neil? > I like your other choices. > /the other Neil That's an easy one. The nearly insurmountable problem with the Revell Sop Tripe is that every last copy in the world is owned by someone else. Definitely add this one to the list. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:17:37 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: History (not too ot I hope...) Message-ID: <20010629121737.26410.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Hi list! I was out for a while but everything seems to be OK now... (I hope the OK is well capitalized this time) I was following the very interesting line about who knows his history and I felt I'd like to contribute (FWIW). It has always been a slightly chauvinistic European hobby to criticise the "lack of knowledge" of the people across the pond. I would personally be inclined to think that disregard for history is a measure of one's pride and presumed ability to "shape" the future. As a regular visitor to the US (for professional reasons) for a number of years, I am often struck by this apparent feeling of omnipotency. Although the common American seems, in this particular, to be significantly different from the people from the Old Girl, I don't feel it as necessarily negative. ("It does add to their charm...") I feel this as a problem in the present Portuguese society. Have we imported it, or are we developing it? I still feel, though, that if you are aware that our present reality has been strongly conditioned by facts and decisions that took place long ago, it may help you to ponder what the impact may be of the decisions in wich you participate today. ...amazing thing: Americans are (wrongly, of course) convinced that they can do anything. Most often than not they actually do just that... Fernando Disclaimer: I frequently forget to clearly state when I am teasing or trying a pun. Bear with me... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:29:41 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "WW1 List (E-mail)" Subject: Bleriot bust & Cigogne book Message-ID: A modeller friend came round yesterday, he'd just come home from France so he had a pile of french mags with him. I found a couple of OT items, otherwise I'm afraid that apart from Avions most french magazines are as boring as their anglo-saxon counterparts, Spitfires were fun 20 years ago, but isn't it time for a change? Anyway the first thing (in Kit magazine July 2001) was a 1/8 scale bust of Louis Bleriot by AJP Maquette, it looked very well done, in the text it mentioned another one of Santos-Dumont, they are doing a series of aviation pioneers. The other item (in Replic no.117) was an ad. for a new book called La guerre aerienne de deux as "The airwar of two aces", it's a bi-lingual book about René Dorme (23 victories 29 probables) and Joseph Guiget (5+6). The cover has a nice painting of two stork Ni17's, it has 240 pages 200 photos and costs 320f. Author is Marc Chassard. When I get my scanner running I can practice by sending a scan of these to anyone interested, if I can get it up by Sunday when I plan on giving the mags back. I got my scanner on Wednesday, it's been sitting on the hobby room floor jeering at me since then, yesterday I finally had time to start and got the "scanwise" cd loaded, then I started on Adobe, but instead of ejecting the CD I missed the button and turned the computer off! I went to bed instead. If I'm sober tonight I'll have another go. /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:32:43 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: SWMBO WAS: MAC kits Message-ID: First, let me say that SWMBO does not really give me too difficult a time but half the fun is skulking around trying to minimize detection. Theory: Having studied a bit of "Game Theory" - my hypothesis is that a mixed strategy equilibrium dominates all outcomes - remember, SWMBO is also "playing". You have to let SWMBO "win" the occasional round of this super-game i.e. detect incoming kits some of the time, because she'll get suspicious otherwise and turn the house upsidedown and find the big stash. On the other hand, she has to let you "win" occasionally because you might decide to take up an even less desirable activity like golf or training for triathlons! Practice It's like in a POW camp, where you have to have a couple of tunnels going at once. In fact, in one film, the British prisoners knew their German captors would be suspicious if they couldn't find any tunneling activity so they allowed the Germans to know about one of their tunnels but not the other. Keep your stash in more than one place. Allow detection some of the time, either by being straight up about it, or even pretending to try and avoid detection - the latter is best if you can pull it off and is known as the Hall of Mirrors gambit. Best of luck! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 05:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: Italian Ni.27 (was:R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P) Message-ID: <20010629124823.12732.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> --- "mdf@mars.ark.com" wrote: > I have added my interpretation of this machine at > http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/N_27.html Looks good. However, I have one request. Could you put the source of your inspiration somewhere? I think it's important for modeling - have the color profile to look at, but also the photo nearby to model from. Make sense? Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 06:47:40 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: SWMBO WAS: MAC kits Message-ID: <000901c10099$afc7fcc0$b6b58dd0@main> > First, let me say that SWMBO does not really give me too difficult a time > but half the fun is skulking around trying to minimize detection. > > Theory: > > Having studied a bit of "Game Theory" - my hypothesis is that a mixed > strategy equilibrium dominates all outcomes - remember, SWMBO is also > "playing". You have to let SWMBO "win" the occasional round of this > super-game i.e. detect incoming kits some of the time, because she'll get > suspicious otherwise and turn the house upsidedown and find the big stash. > On the other hand, she has to let you "win" occasionally because you might > decide to take up an even less desirable activity like golf or training for > triathlons! > > Practice > > It's like in a POW camp, where you have to have a couple of tunnels going at > once. In fact, in one film, the British prisoners knew their German captors > would be suspicious if they couldn't find any tunneling activity so they > allowed the Germans to know about one of their tunnels but not the other. > Keep your stash in more than one place. Allow detection some of the time, > either by being straight up about it, or even pretending to try and avoid > detection - the latter is best if you can pull it off and is known as the > Hall of Mirrors gambit. > > Best of luck! > > Michael ROTFL-many thanks Michael-your usage of the language is awesome! Best regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:17:22 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: MAC kits - substitution :-) Message-ID: <002901c1009d$d5c4e240$401ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Matt > Bittner > Subject: RE: MAC kits > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:36:43 -0400 (EDT), Marcio Antonio Campos wrote: > > > Let me add my two cents: > > > Fokker E.III > > Bummer. Wasted vote. Eduard has announced this in 1/72nd. Choose > another. ;-) > > > Matt Bittner Ooops, I didn't notice this. OK, substitution: Fokker E.III out, Avro 504k (another one that can be made with Brazilian markings) in. Shane, I took a quick look at some online shops and couldn't find the Airfix Hannover, that's why I added it to the list. Best regards Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:34:15 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Bleriot bust & Cigogne book Message-ID: > Spitfires were fun 20 years ago, but isn't it time for a change? To me, the Spit is still a timeless design, and one of the most beautiful type of aircraft that ever was build. If a sweet blond fairy would come along, asking me to fullfill me three wishes, one of them would be to learn to fly a Spit. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:37:42 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Bad modelling assumptions Message-ID: Les Anglaises? The females??? Elles sont folles, ç'est vrai - but fortunately they did not fly in WW1 ;o). Gasterix > Ces anglaises sont tous fous! > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:43:42 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: OT Friends Message-ID: > but when I was 9 or 10, they told me I could stay up an extra hour after > bedtime if I read a book. At that age, bedtime was the ENEMY, and > I probably > would have eaten live bugs to stay up an extra hour. Actually my oldest is nine and it is hard to get her into her bed. One can be sure if she agrees to go to bed already at 0800pm she will be reading until we will finally ask her to switch off her light at 0900, or if she will sleep in with her head laying on the book. But she is reading nothing else but stories related to horses of all sorts. Sometimes I believe that girl knows more about horses than I know about WW1. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:46:21 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Bleriot bust & Cigogne book Message-ID: Sure Gaston, I'll agree with that, but do we need to know any more about them? I'm sure that if I took the trouble I could tell you the correct hydraulic pressure, tyre pressure what every knob in the cockpit is for, and the exact metalurgical content of the aluminium in a Spitfire, but I would much rather know the colour of the Sopwith text on the 1914 Schneider racer, that sort of really important information is never in any aviation-mags. Not to speak of the ultimate question, the one only the list knows, and even we don't know the answer..... /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Gaston Graf [mailto:ggraf@vo.lu] > Sent: den 29 juni 2001 15:40 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Bleriot bust & Cigogne book > > > > Spitfires were fun 20 years ago, but isn't it time for a change? > > To me, the Spit is still a timeless design, and one of the > most beautiful > type of aircraft that ever was build. If a sweet blond fairy > would come > along, asking me to fullfill me three wishes, one of them > would be to learn > to fly a Spit. > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:00:28 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Bleriot bust & Cigogne book Message-ID: Neil, ... but I would much rather > know the colour of the Sopwith text on the 1914 Schneider racer, > that sort of really important information is never in any > aviation-mags. Not to speak of the ultimate question, the one > only the list knows, and even we don't know the answer..... I couldn't agree more to this! Unfortunately to much information about the old kites got lost, maybe because in the times after WW1 people was not aware yet of the importance of historical preservation. I think that even after WW2 there wasn't much interest in preservation of old aircraft but because many more aircraft of a type was produced there was still survivors. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:16:54 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Ignorance of history was:Re: OT Friends Message-ID: <009901c100a6$25e4b040$e9a272d4@FRITZweb> Prof. D. Karen wrote: > Guys, I gotta tell ya, this thread strikes deep with me. As a retired 30-year > veteran of the US system of higher education, I could tell you horror stories > all night long relating the ignorance of the last several generations of college > students. Ladies and Gentlemen, it may not help you, but the situation is not better in Germany or elsewhere, I think. If I would go in any class of students and ask what happened on May 8th 1945 ( I would not dare to ask 11.11.18) I would get only 5% correct answers. To be honest, I was ignorant trough my school carreer also. I am building OT kits since I was seven, but the style how history was teached was boring me ( NO offense, Prof Karen!). We where teached when the Peace Treaty of Schmalkalden happened, but where not teached the reasons. History is abstract. History is teached by telling abstract years, when something happened without telling reasons. Museums are full of derelicts, old pieces of crap. You can't touch it. Nobody tells you anything about. And , the biggest mistake, history is teached as a constant evolutionary process. We are so much better today! We have computers and rockets and look what silly things they did in WWI. Look at their photographs! They where flying spuce-and-linen contructed kites! We are the intelligent race, they where so stupid! Boring! I am doing 'history work' constantly with pre-historic themes. "Oh, they where so primitive, how could they do such fine things?" - the constant question when showing celtic jewellery f.e. But if you tell them that 5000 years ( or to be OT, 100 years) are not a significant time for evolution and the people did simply the best from the technology and informations available, the puplic accept. For OT lessons: Give the pupils the task to find out what the father of their grandparents did in 1915. And, don't forget, let them find out what happened to the brother of their grand-granddad and how old he was.. Hans (Sorry for the long mail, but...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:16:37 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Production numbers wasRE: Bleriot bust & Cigogne book Message-ID: This is an interesting statement, is it true? At first I thought not, thinking of Spad production, getting on for 10000 (I think, haven't checked), but could any WW1 type compare to the 30000 one-oh-thingies and sturmoviks. OTOH many WW2 types were only built in the hundreds, and the production runs of modern fighters are just silly, is the Eurofighter even going to be in series production, by the time they begin to learn how to do it, the batch is finished. Which was the most produced WW1 aeroplane? /Neil Gasterix wrote: > after WW2 there wasn't much interest in preservation of old > aircraft but > because many more aircraft of a type was produced there was > still survivors. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:16:06 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: MAC Models Message-ID: Neil Crawford wrote: Viking Chorus: SPAD, SPAD, SPAD, SPAD; SPAD, SPAD, SPAD, SPAD; Sp-SPADDITY SPAD, SPADDITY SPAD; Sp-SPADDITY SPAD, SPADDITY SPAD . . . Marc (Shamelessly bringing back this old chesnut from the archives) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:23:46 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: MAC Models Message-ID: Well I couldn't help it you know, it's a compulsive thing. Therapy doesn't help because nobody understands it /Neil SPAM=Societe pour avions miracuilleuse > -----Original Message----- > From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com [mailto:mflake@tarrantcounty.com] > Sent: den 29 juni 2001 16:21 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: MAC Models > > > Neil Crawford wrote: > > > Viking Chorus: > SPAD, SPAD, SPAD, SPAD; SPAD, SPAD, SPAD, SPAD; Sp-SPADDITY > SPAD, SPADDITY > SPAD; Sp-SPADDITY SPAD, SPADDITY SPAD . . . > > Marc (Shamelessly bringing back this old chesnut from the archives) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:30:21 -0400 From: "Hillman, Tom" To: "'Crawford Neil'" , Subject: RE: Russian SPAD 7 Message-ID: <25BB0B664C1DD5118D4E0002A51B9CD3399B01@xaug11.mail.state.me.us> Thanks Neil, The b/w photo thing is difficult. If the Russian SPADs were gray, then in a b/w photo they can appear alike. A good photo shows the SPAD 7 Slavic A/O supporting Budyonny's 1st Horse Army during the Russo/Polish War and you would think they are yellow. Yet, I can't believe any of the original 43 survived that long (3 years in combat with bad fuel and Soviet pilots). What throws me off is that Dux Nie.17 in gray show up in b/w photo as very dark, like a PC.10 aircraft. This has led some to think they were repainted green. A profile in a recent Barnes&Noble book on profiles show a former-Russian Finnish SPAD in forest green. SAM's article on Finns part 1 shows it in a light earthy brown. Who's knows? tom -----Original Message----- From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 6:21 AM To: wwi@wwi-models.org Cc: Hillman, Tom Subject: RE: Russian SPAD 7 I've always thought that russian Spads were light grey, due to using unbleached fabric and some particular russian varnish that gave a grey appearance. But how on earth anybody worked that out is beyond me, on a b/w photo light grey and light yellow would look identical. I think the list-motto applies "Dicta-ira" which means have fun, do it any way you like! Welcome to the list from Sweden, Tom. I'm really happy that you like Spads and Russian civil war aviation, one of my favorite time-spells is the twenties, so much happened in aviation during that time. I have to try and keep quiet about this addiction around here, but RCW is OK I think, after all most of the planes used were WW1. Some people say that WW1 finished in 1945, but we have to draw the line somewhere so as not to get invaded by one-oh-thingies and Pemberton-Billing successors. /Neil. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:47:59 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: MAC-list Message-ID: <011701c100aa$7d945d00$e9a272d4@FRITZweb> Ladies and Gentlemen, I would suggest the following categories: - Was never available in injection moulded technology ( or , if, so bad that it is not worth considering or short-run kits) - Build in considerable numbers - size of the mould needed: I don't know the size limitations by MAC, but a two seater IS more expensive! So here it is: Single seater category - Late Sopwith fighter: Dolphin - Late technology: Junkers D.I - Italian fighter: SVA5 - Always neglected: Hanriot HD 1/2 - Any A-H- small flying boat, HB or Lohner Two seater category. Hardly needed! Very basic needs! Nearly ANY german, british, french two seater!! - Br 14 - Rumpler, DFW, Aviatik, Albatros C-types!! - Be 2 series !!!!! - A good Harry Tate! Airfix su**s! - Caudron G4 or Vickers FB5 or Shorthorn or anything like this! But, I am afraid, single seat fighters are more attractive? More colourful? Flown by aces? Hans ( Sorry again for the length...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:46:28 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Subject: RE: MAC Models Message-ID: <7d.1727509d.286deec4@aol.com> In a message dated Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:19:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) writes: Viking Chorus: SPAD, SPAD, SPAD, SPAD; SPAD, SPAD, SPAD, SPAD; Sp-SPADDITY SPAD, SPADDITY SPAD; Sp-SPADDITY SPAD, SPADDITY SPAD . . . "SPAD?!? But I don't like SPAD!" "Look here, I'll have your SPAD" " SPAD, SPAD, SPAD, SPAD; SPAD, SPAD, SPAD, SPAD; Sp-SPADDITY SPAD, SPADDITY SPAD; Sp-SPADDITY SPAD, SPADDITY SPAD . . ." Oh, yes. I could do this forever. It was after all, a flying circus, wasn't it? How OT can you get? Well, the countdown to the US Nats is getting closer. I expect to see you all in Greg's seminar Friday. There will be a test next monday, you know. Since I'll be the first one there, please say hi to me when you come in. I'll be the only guy at the registration desk wearing a WWI list button. I'm also planning on having an OT entry, it isn't good enough to win, but one must keep up appearances. I'll give you a hint, although it is in the correct scale (1/bittner), it won't have wings. ;) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:51:07 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Russian SPAD 7 Message-ID: The classic representation of Finnish Spads is forest green. If I saw a brown one, I would immediately say it was wrong, tradition and what you are used to seeing is deeply ingrained in us. But there are plenty of good finnish historians who have told us that they were green so why should they be wrong? I think some russian Spads might have survived, 43 is quite a lot, and I refuse to believe that all the Soviet pilots were totally useless. There may have been some new french-built Spads come into the country after WW1, I'm sure plenty of people were trying to make a profit on war-surplus material. Finally a dark Ni17 could well have been repainted, why not? I once read that the russian 2-seat Spitfire was painted in green paint that they borrowed from the nearest tank workshop. As you see, I really have no idea, I'm just speculating, but it sure is more fun than working, on my last work-day before vacation:-) /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Hillman, Tom [mailto:Tom.Hillman@state.me.us] > Sent: den 29 juni 2001 16:30 > To: 'Crawford Neil'; 'wwi@wwi-models.org' > Subject: RE: Russian SPAD 7 > > > Thanks Neil, > > The b/w photo thing is difficult. If the Russian SPADs were > gray, then in a b/w photo they can appear alike. A good > photo shows the SPAD 7 Slavic A/O supporting Budyonny's 1st > Horse Army during the Russo/Polish War and you would think > they are yellow. Yet, I can't believe any of the original 43 > survived that long (3 years in combat with bad fuel and > Soviet pilots). > > What throws me off is that Dux Nie.17 in gray show up in b/w > photo as very dark, like a PC.10 aircraft. This has led some > to think they were repainted green. A profile in a recent > Barnes&Noble book on profiles show a former-Russian Finnish > SPAD in forest green. SAM's article on Finns part 1 shows it > in a light earthy brown. Who's knows? > > tom > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:53:15 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: MAC Models Message-ID: <3B3C965B.000001.23437@ray.bconnected.net> I thought it was rude to spad people ;0) Ray -------Original Message------- From: GRBroman@aol.com Date: Friday, June 29, 2001 07:50:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: MAC Models In a message dated Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:19:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) writes: Viking Chorus: SPAD, SPAD, SPAD, SPAD; SPAD, SPAD, SPAD, SPAD; Sp-SPADDITY SPAD, SPADDITY SPAD; Sp-SPADDITY SPAD, SPADDITY SPAD . . . "SPAD?!? But I don't like SPAD!" "Look here, I'll have your SPAD" " SPAD, SPAD, SPAD, SPAD; SPAD, SPAD, SPAD, SPAD; Sp-SPADDITY SPAD, SPADDITY SPAD; Sp-SPADDITY SPAD, SPADDITY SPAD . . ." Oh, yes. I could do this forever. It was after all, a flying circus, wasn't it? How OT can you get? Well, the countdown to the US Nats is getting closer I expect to see you all in Greg's seminar Friday. There will be a test next monday, you know. Since I'll be the first one there, please say hi to me when you come in. I'll be the only guy at the registration desk wearing a WWI list button. I'm also planning on having an OT entry, it isn't good enough to win, but one must keep up appearances. I'll give you a hint, although it is in the correct scale (1/bittner), it won't have wings. ;) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:09:30 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: MAC-list Message-ID: Could we possibly change that Hanriot HD1/2 to the HD3. I may be mixing up designations but I mean that floatplane in service towards the end of the war, or is that in fact the HD2? And if I'm wrong and the HD3 is the one Matt built then can we have that one in the 2-seater category. If the above is complete nonsense, what I'm really trying to say is that I was looking at the Dunkirk based Hanriot floatplanes, and they're gorgeous and I want all of them:-) And the rest of your list too! /Neil Ps. Especially the 2-seaters Hans wrote: > So here it is: > > Single seater category > - Late Sopwith fighter: Dolphin > - Late technology: Junkers D.I > - Italian fighter: SVA5 > - Always neglected: Hanriot HD 1/2 > - Any A-H- small flying boat, HB or Lohner > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:40:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: More Nats (was RE: MAC Models) Message-ID: <20010629154025.48986.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> --- GRBroman@aol.com wrote: > Oh, yes. I could do this forever. It was after all, a flying > circus, wasn't it? How OT can you get? Well, the countdown to > the US Nats is getting closer. I expect to see you all in > Greg's seminar Friday. There will be a test next monday, you > know. Since I'll be the first one there, please say hi to me > when you come in. I'll be the only guy at the registration > desk wearing a WWI list button. I'm also planning on having an > OT entry, it isn't good enough to win, but one must keep up > appearances. I'll give you a hint, although it is in the > correct scale (1/bittner), it won't have wings. ;) I too will have a correct scale non-wingular model to sit next to Glen's. And for those who don't know, it looks like Greg VanWyngarden's seminar starts either at 4:00pm or 4:30pm and runs 1 1/2 hours. Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: MAC-list Message-ID: <20010629154251.25099.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> --- Crawford Neil wrote: > Could we possibly change that Hanriot HD1/2 to > the HD3. I may be mixing up designations but > I mean that floatplane in service towards the > end of the war, or is that in fact the HD2? > And if I'm wrong and the HD3 is the one Matt built > then can we have that one in the 2-seater category. > If the above is complete nonsense, what I'm really > trying to say is that I was looking at the Dunkirk > based Hanriot floatplanes, and they're gorgeous > and I want all of them:-) And the rest of your list too! You're thinking of the HD.2 - the HD.3 is the two-seater I built from the Roseplane kit. And might as well vote for another. Eduard has already announced the HD.1 for sure, and I would be surprised if they didn't follow it with the HD.2. Speaking of Eduard, does anybody know if they'll be at the Nats? Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:43:24 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: MAC-list Message-ID: >From: Crawford Neil >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: MAC-list >Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:14:37 -0400 (EDT) > >Could we possibly change that Hanriot HD1/2 to >the HD3. I may be mixing up designations but >I mean that floatplane in service towards the >end of the war, or is that in fact the HD2? >And if I'm wrong and the HD3 is the one Matt built >then can we have that one in the 2-seater category. >If the above is complete nonsense, what I'm really >trying to say is that I was looking at the Dunkirk >based Hanriot floatplanes, and they're gorgeous >and I want all of them:-) And the rest of your list too! Neil: Eduard has a forthcoming HD1 and a profipack that may be an HD2. I believe the HD.2 is a floatplane, see http://www.hot.ee/piloot/ The HD3 has wheels, at least the Roseplane vac that Matt built. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:44:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside Message-ID: <20010629154429.37123.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ray Boorman wrote: > Todd, is it true that on a clear day in Iowa you can see that > far too. ;0) It's funny when I have people I know visit Iowa/Nebraska who are from "hilly" country. My uncle was really suprised to be able to still see flat land off past the horizon, for what appears to be infinity. Then again, if you ever travel through western Nebraska, it feels like it does take forever to get across it... :-) Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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