WWI Digest 3488 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: MAC Kits by "Ray Boorman" 2) Re: Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside by "Ray Boorman" 3) Re: OT Friends by ibs4421@commandnet.net 4) Unsubbing from List by "diaphus" 5) Re: Roden Fokker DVIIs by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 6) RE: MAC kits by "Ray Boorman" 7) Re: SWMBO WAS: MAC kits by "Ray Boorman" 8) Re: thanks and still a new model by philippe.spriesterbach@pi.be (Philippe Spriesterbach) 9) Re: SWMBO WAS: MAC kits by "Steven Perry" 10) Re: Joystick AR.1 help by Dennis Ugulano 11) Re: R: Italian Ni.27 (was:R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P) by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 12) RE: SWMBO WAS: MAC kits by Shane Weier 13) DB out of commish by Ernest Thomas 14) ignorance... was RE: OT Friends by "Gaston Graf" 15) RE: OT Friends by "Jay M. Thompson" 16) R: R: Italian Ni.27 (was:R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P) by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 17) RE: MAC kits by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 18) Re: Fee help, please! by "Paul E. Thompson" 19) MAC Kits - suggestions for future kits by "Neil Eddy" 20) RE: MAC Kits - suggestions for future kits by Crawford Neil 21) RE: MAC kits by Crawford Neil 22) Re: MAC kits by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 23) Re: OT Friends by ibs4421@commandnet.net 24) RE: Russian SPAD 7 by Crawford Neil 25) RE: More Sopwith Baby Qns by Crawford Neil 26) RE: MAC kits by "dfernet0" 27) Anybody there? by =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= 28) RE: OT Friends by "dfernet0" 29) RE: Anybody there? by "dfernet0" 30) RE: WWI Aero and period reprints by "dfernet0" 31) RE: Bad modelling assumptions by "dfernet0" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:47:45 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: MAC Kits Message-ID: <3B3BFA61.000003.86761@ray.bconnected.net> Ok more to my list. F2A and F2B (Same kit multiple versions therefore more money for the manufacturer) DH4 DH9 and DH9a Same as previous therefore more cost effective for th4e manufacturer. Short 184 Sopwith Cuckoo. (Cant you make an atlantic from this too?) Rumpler Taube Give me five more minutes and I can think of lots more. But if I got an F2A and F2B I would be happy........ -------Original Message------- From: Flake, Marc Date: Thursday, June 28, 2001 01:14:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: MAC Kits Here's my preferences SPAD VII SPAD XIII (list them separately, they aren't that similar, folks) Camel - Clerget Camel - Bentley Neiuport 10 Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:50:06 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside Message-ID: <3B3BFAEE.000005.86761@ray.bconnected.net> Todd, is it true that on a clear day in Iowa you can see that far too. ;0) -------Original Message------- From: Todd Hayes Date: Thursday, June 28, 2001 01:58:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside About 400 miles west of where I live is still the state of Iowa! Todd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:07:06 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: OT Friends Message-ID: <000501c10050$f7596860$603dfad1@esther> Shane, You are so very right, my upside-down friend. :) My apologies to the group. I fired before being certain of my target. However, I will state that not only the knowledge, but the enthusiasm of the members of this group is a tremendous resource. Kids will catch your enthusiasm. Yes, sometimes only one, but that one is a great thing, it will really pump you up as to your efforts. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:19:00 -0400 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Unsubbing from List Message-ID: <00b201c10052$9fa08520$71632241@tampabay.rr.com> In the hopes of getting some last minute modeling done, I am unsubbing from the list until after the Nats. Hope to meet many of you in Chicago! Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:27:47 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Fokker DVIIs Message-ID: In a message dated 6/27/2001 12:32:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Andreikor@aol.com writes: << Sorry if this has been noted already, but the Squadron July supplement I just received lists the new Roden Fokker DVII's... 7.96 each. Cheers, Andrei >> Hey Pal, how come you got yours and I never see mine until the 2nd week of the current month? Anyway a little bird said it'd your birthday so "HAPPY BIRTHDAY"!!!! I'm going to order a few of those D.Vll's as soon as I get my supplement. Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:42:37 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: MAC kits Message-ID: <3B3BF92D.000001.86761@ray.bconnected.net> Ok my list. Spad 7, and 13 SE5a Fe2B Sopwith Dolphin and a Halberstadt DIII ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:01:59 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: SWMBO WAS: MAC kits Message-ID: <3B3BFDB7.000007.86761@ray.bconnected.net> Lets see, Have work room near the garage with door into the garage. Then put contraband in trunk and transfer it to workroom on way into the house. Shelf just inside the room is good for this, since SWMBO wont wonder why it took you so long to come in the house. Make sure you intercept postman before he delivers CC bills. File all Hobby Store bills in the model box. Dont leave in car tray, or in garbage. Usually works for me. Ray -------Original Message------- From: Shane Weier Date: Thursday, June 28, 2001 05:44:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: SWMBO WAS: MAC kits Mike Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer syas: > Moving into a new house with my SWMBO-to be ...... Uh-oh. I don't think MAC will have released these kits by then. I refer you to the archives, where we have often discussed methods of moving contraband "badly needed hobby items which will keep me happy and at home and therefore improve our wedded bliss" past the eyes of the household customs post ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 04:54:52 GMT From: philippe.spriesterbach@pi.be (Philippe Spriesterbach) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: thanks and still a new model Message-ID: <3b3c0a0f.1566318@mail.pi.be> On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:10:36 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Philippe, >Models look great as usual, but there has been recent evidence from Dan San >Abbott (also the photos in the SSW D.III Datafile) that show the wings as >overall red! That's how I repainted mine. But you could always assume that >the fuselage was painted first, and the wings were painted the next day! >Dave C Exactly, Dicta Ira ;-) -- Philippe Spriesterbach philippe.spriesterbach@pi.be http://home.pi.be/~p4u09886 IPMS Belgium Member #F015 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 01:05:25 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: SWMBO WAS: MAC kits Message-ID: <000f01c10059$1b9dcba0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> Heres a good cover. Do a lot of kit trading, so when a box comes in the mail you tell her it is one you got in trade. If you're gonna get a big order in, a week before you expect it, make sure she sees you hauling some boxes to the post office, then just pitch 'em in the dumpster at work. Trips to the local plastic pusher can pose a poblem. Mostly I just walk in bold as brass and stick the kit(s) in the pile. Can't do this within a payday of telling her no about something she wanted to buy though. She usually doesn't ask so I tell myself I got away with another one..Riiight. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 01:02:18 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Joystick AR.1 help Message-ID: <200106290102_MC3-D78C-1281@compuserve.com> Matt, I will do the scan in the morning. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 6/28/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 01:24:45 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: Italian Ni.27 (was:R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P) Message-ID: <3B3C111D.2574C686@mars.ark.com> I have added my interpretation of this machine at http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/N_27.html Mike F. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:22:02 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: SWMBO WAS: MAC kits Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1B7@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP says: > Heres a good cover. Do a lot of kit trading, so when a box > comes in the mail > you tell her it is one you got in trade. That works well. Took home a newly bought Roden Gotha last night - asked my friend the pusher for the kit in the badly battered box at a small additional discount and used the tattered box as camouflage for the pristine kit inside. After all, she knows that I've been posting items to the US several times in the last month and that returning goods go to the office - so I never even had to *claim* it was a swap. ;-) > Trips to the local plastic pusher can pose a poblem. Mostly I > just walk in > bold as brass and stick the kit(s) in the pile. Can't do this within a > payday of telling her no about something she wanted to buy though. She > usually doesn't ask so I tell myself I got away with another > one.. Fact is, Megan doesn't mind me buying kits. Or if she does she doesn't say on account of my forbearance of her foibles. But.....this is one of the great perennial sources of humour that our hobby exudes, along with various modelling disasters, lunatic acquisativeness, obsessive compulsiveness and the "horror" of AMS Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:42:05 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: DB out of commish Message-ID: <3B3C152D.E9065A50@bellsouth.net> Howdy Old Friends, I'm still unsubbed, but I need to toss this in to the trenches there. DB called me tonight and his computer died. He's gonna be getting a new one, but not until sometime in July. He asked me to let y'all know and to ask Alan or Matt to un-sub him from the list. That's all. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:52:21 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: ignorance... was RE: OT Friends Message-ID: > > I think ignorance of history is mostly a US thing.......... I don't think it's only a US problem - it's rather a world wide problem. Like poeple *are* interested or *not* in sports, they are or are not interested in history or anything else. The sad difference for me is that in case of wars many people gave their life which is something that should NEVER be forgotten. Sport results do not change the world, but war results do. Something I want to add is this: It is not always a *fault* of the parents if they do not teach their children about history - sometimes it is just a result of what they experienced as they was children themselfs. My wife, for instance, grew up in the former German Democratic Republic. For all of her childhood she was confronted at school with detailed history lessons about the bad deeds of the bad Nazis and off course the Kommunists tried to brainwash her so that she believed the Russians was the saviors of the world. Nobody talked about the mass raping of German women and the plundering of the country indeed and all the other bad things the Kommunists did themselfs, but the idea behind it today appears to me as if they wanted to make every German feel bad for being born as a German, even decades after WW2 ended. Well, today my wife is so sick of anything concerning history of World War 2 that she does not care about anything concerning World Wars anymore. If she'd married a guy who made the same experiences than she did, NOBODY would tell the kids anything about the World Wars, hence the kids would not learn much about it. But I try to wake interest in history of my children and I think even if they will not become hobby historians they will be curious to learn what happened. My oldest daughter is now nine years old and very much interested into anything that I tell her. We talked already about things like Holocaust, racism, the occupation of Luxembourg, the landing in the Normandie and the liberation and I think she understands pretty well that our freedom was not always granted and how much that I respect those who fought for our freedom. In my case my interest in WW1 grew from my interest in WW2. As I was a little boy, my grandma used to tell me stories from the war. She told me about the German soldiers who was mostly well educated and friendly to the civilians, (except but for the Nazis), and she told me about the Americans who was our liberators but often behaved very bad (sorry Lee) and so my interest grew in WW2. I read anything I could find about it and build models. And as the time had come to learn about WW2 at school I was badly disappointed about the stuff we was teached because I knew already many more details about anything but this was not required. There was no patriotic stuff told about our victims or our resistance nor was there much said about the Holocaust or the important battles of WW2. If WW2 would not have been my main point of interest I would have learned nothing about it at school. WW1??? I don't remember that anything was ever teached to me at school about it, sad but true. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 01:45:21 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: OT Friends Message-ID: Warren, I would hope we all know that there are wonderful teachers, like your wife, who know how to bring a subject o life. My two cents is that in one way or another, kids have to be inspired to learn. And to learn, they have to read. My parents did the most wonderful thing they could do when I was a kid- no, it wasn't that they read to me all the time (they did sometimes), or that we discussed world affairs at the dinner table (we did) but when I was 9 or 10, they told me I could stay up an extra hour after bedtime if I read a book. At that age, bedtime was the ENEMY, and I probably would have eaten live bugs to stay up an extra hour. So just by wanting to stay up later like the grownups, I accidentally found out that reading was really fun. It wasn't long before I started asking to go to the library, and found some neat books on WWII, and the rest, as we say, is history -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Shane Weier Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 10:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: OT Friends Warren, > OK, I've had enough of this crap. My wife, God Bless Her, is > a history > teacher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:41:33 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: R: Italian Ni.27 (was:R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P) Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F02E@SERVER1> Nice profile, Mark ! Well done ! You may add to the description that the machine was from the 73a Squadriglia, which was based in Macedonia, in 1917. Just one additional comment: it is my **guess**, based on study of the better picture published in "I Reparti dell'Aviazione Italiana nella Grande Guerra" (by R.Gentilli and P. Varriale) that the prominent fuselage marking should have green leading. Thus colours should be in this succession: green-white-red (for the fuselage) / green-white-red (for the vertical tailplanes). Just my interpretation, of course.... Such a nice machine....thnaks Joystick for that excellent vac !!!!!! All the very best, Alberto -----Messaggio originale----- Da: mdf@mars.ark.com [SMTP:mdf@mars.ark.com] Inviato: venerdi 29 giugno 2001 7.26 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: Re: R: Italian Ni.27 (was:R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P) I have added my interpretation of this machine at http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/N_27.html Mike F. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:12:46 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: MAC kits Message-ID: > I'd be afraid of getting two kits with "common" parts neither > fish nor fowl, > though to be fair they've been able to distinguish subtleties well enough > and I may just be paranoid. > They definitely are doing pretty good at keeping differences between marks. The Phönix kits, for instance, have different fuselages, wings, tailplanes, propellers, radiators, tailskids, and exhaust manifolds. They did the molds with the fuselage, wings, and horizontal tailplane on one sprue (different in each D.I and D.II kit) with the common sprue providing the different smaller parts. They could easily do something similar with the SPAD family. That said, I am counting the SPAD VII and SPAD XIII separately. Sincerely, Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Illustrator Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:38:47 +0200 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fee help, please! Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010629093252.00b0c7d0@pop.xs4all.nl> Thanks for the help, Lance. Wireless gear is something I should have thought of but probably never would have. I suppose at a pinch I could assume that after capture Zanzibar may have had it removed, but in any case I'm trying to model the beasty as pre-capture. As to photos, I'm relying on the Datafile. CC is not easy to find over here and (confession) I don't subscribe - so far. I found nowt relevant on the Internet either. Any other info you have would be much appreciated. Sorry for the slow response - digest-mode delay. All the best Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:15:32 +1000 From: "Neil Eddy" To: Subject: MAC Kits - suggestions for future kits Message-ID: <003c01c10073$ad0af4e0$872532d2@mannock> As a voice from Downunder, my five would be... Bristol M.1C Sopwith Triplane (with more than Black Flight markings) AGO C.II Sopwith Tabloid F.E. 2b/F.E. 8 (cheating with an extra one here...) Neil E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:20:01 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: MAC Kits - suggestions for future kits Message-ID: Whats wrong with the Revell Tripe, Neil? I like your other choices. /the other Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Eddy [mailto:mannock@iprimus.com.au] > Sent: den 29 juni 2001 10:20 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: MAC Kits - suggestions for future kits > > > As a voice from Downunder, my five would be... > > Bristol M.1C > Sopwith Triplane (with more than Black Flight markings) > AGO C.II > Sopwith Tabloid > F.E. 2b/F.E. 8 (cheating with an extra one here...) > > Neil E. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:36:34 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: MAC kits Message-ID: Spad 13 Spad 7 Spad 11/16 Spad 14 Spad 20 I tried to write something non-spad, but I got a sudden spasm and my fingers locked up. It seems to have passed now so I can at least second M. Bittners french suggestions. Some of the RFC suggestions are nice too, A decent DH2, Camel, SE5, Dolphin any Short, a Cuckoo and a Felixstowe would all be great. On the german side, I think we need a good two-seat Albatross. /Neil Ps. I'm not really bothered about the order of Spad's I put the 13 first because I like it better. They must be two different models, as Matt and Shane say, there is not a part in common between them. The 11 and 16 are close enough to go together. The Spad 20 is only just OT, it flew in 1918, but a lovely looking 2-seater, and a basis for a whole series of racers and airliners, if I got a dozen of those I'd have 5 years modelling booked. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:13:44 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: MAC kits Message-ID: <001701c1007b$cefab9c0$7f01010a@jaring.my> My choices would be: Sopwith Dolphin Junkers CL I Sopwith Dolphin Junkers CL I Sopwith Dolphin Junkers CL I Oops, that's six already... But really: No kit to speak of of the CL I (That Classic Plane was really dreadful from the surface quality), and the Dolphin is to me the most serious gap of all of them - and as MAC obviously used the CMK Pfalz as a basis for their's, they might do the same for the Dolphin... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 04:52:26 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: OT Friends Message-ID: <003801c10081$34df11a0$703dfad1@esther> Jay, My parents encouraged anything to do with learning/education. One thing they did was allow me library time pretty much anytime I wanted it. I well remember wandering our of the children's section to the "grown-up" part of the library. There, I found a treasure, a small, hardback book on WWI aircraft. I wish I could recall the publisher and exact title, each page had a photo or profile, with a one page write-up. I thought I had died and gone to heaven! I am the asst. cubmaster to my son's Cub Scout Pack. I am considering ordering a set of models and supplies from Revell-Monogram's "Make It and Take It" program to introduce kids to scale modeling. I feel I can turn them to the "plastic side" of the Force, lol! You get a choice: cars or aircraft, can ya'll guess which one I'll choose? As to a love of history, I had a grandmother and two aunts who were life-long career teachers from the "old school", and in the Deep South no less. I was born to it I suppose. Kind of an inescapable, Faulkner-esque fatalism about it I guess. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:22:50 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Russian SPAD 7 Message-ID: I've always thought that russian Spads were light grey, due to using unbleached fabric and some particular russian varnish that gave a grey appearance. But how on earth anybody worked that out is beyond me, on a b/w photo light grey and light yellow would look identical. I think the list-motto applies "Dicta-ira" which means have fun, do it any way you like! Welcome to the list from Sweden, Tom. I'm really happy that you like Spads and Russian civil war aviation, one of my favorite time-spells is the twenties, so much happened in aviation during that time. I have to try and keep quiet about this addiction around here, but RCW is OK I think, after all most of the planes used were WW1. Some people say that WW1 finished in 1945, but we have to draw the line somewhere so as not to get invaded by one-oh-thingies and Pemberton-Billing successors. /Neil. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:37:12 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: More Sopwith Baby Qns Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Sanjeev Hirve [mailto:shirve@evincible.com] > Sent: den 28 juni 2001 17:05 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: More Sopwith Baby Qns > > > Hello, > The construction of the 1/48 Eduard Sopwith Baby is > progressing well. I > have some questions about the cockpit interior. > I have as source of reference, scale plans of the Sopwith > Camel, Dolphin and > Snipe from the Model Aircraft News volume on WWI. The > windsock datafile > does not give any clues about the cockpit interior. > Can someone confirm my assumptions: > 1- the cockpit floor is plywood, and extends from the > firewall back under > the seat. There is no floor behind the seat. What is colour > of bottom > where there is no floor? CDL I guess, with some wood ribs. > 2- ailerons are controlled by turning the wheel on the > control column, the > coumn does not move side-to-side Yes > 3- aileron control cables are not visible because they run > under the floor > inside the wing. On early Babys they had wing-warping, so the wires went out behind and beneath the cockpit to the top outer struts, and just pulled the wing out of shape. It looks just like ordinary wing-bracing. On later babies with ailerons, I guess it's like you say. > 4- rudder cables attach directly to the rudder bar, outboard > of the foot > rest. They run straight back into the rear fuselage and then > angle upward. Makes sense > 5- elevator control is by a link rod from near the base of the control > column, running back under the seat into the rear fuselage to > some sort of > bell-crank. On early babies there was a bell crank under the pilots seat. > 6- there is a pump thingy in the right front area below the instrument > panel. A fuel pump perhaps, they often look like cycle-pumps. > 7- couple of control lever on the left-side wall (per kit) > Does anybody have any reference ? Are there any aircraft that have a > similar cockpit? > thanks > SSH > We discussed this a while back, and the IIRC there are very few phots showing the cockpit. Look at Tabloids and Schneiders, but I think the best thing to do is guess, because that is what I think Eduard have been doing when they "designed" the cockpit. There was also considerable variation between examples, standardization was something that came after the Sopwith Baby. I hope this is a little help, but I doubt it;-) /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:51:46 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: MAC kits Message-ID: <00ed01c10089$7dc0ee40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> My choices: - Spad VII - F.E. 8 - Vickers F.B.19 - FE2b - Nieuport 27 (and similar versions) D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:02:48 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Anybody there? Message-ID: <20010629110248.30999.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everybody, could somebody answer me back if I am still subscribed? TIA Fernando ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:09:34 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: OT Friends Message-ID: <00f701c1008b$fa71ca20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> As I read, once more I see that we listees have all identical backgrounds: We all were encouraged by our parents to read and to be cuirous, besides sharing a common hobby that makes us interested in history. In Argentina the situation is similar regarding the desinterest and the apathy of the younger generations. Not only schoolboys but university students as well. We had a quite singular situation here, however: During the 60s, there were quite a lot of marxist "revisionism" of history, wich tended to de-legitimate the deeds of our ancient heroes, but later in the 70s we were ruled by a military government who was the exact opposite. As a reaction, from the 80s til now, old marxist youngsters of the 60s have turned into hosts of teachers and historians, working only with one version of history and taking revenge of the dreaded 70s... Nothing -according them- have sense if not related to the dictatorship of the 70s and yadda yadda yadda. Of course, WW1 has little to do against this. This polithical battlefield only has resulted on a total lack of interest of all things past for most of the people in this country. I consider that what Warren does on his wife's class is wonderful, but in our country this would be impracticable. Many of my generation doesn't read a book for years, not to say that they don't read books at all. Movies have further deformed historical truth and all is mixed up (the usual reaction when a non-initiated sees my Albatrosen collection is "So, you like Nazis, huh?"). Maybe people will change and remember and learn, so no old mistakes will be repeated. Soap box mode off D. PS: If Sandy would have ruled England in 1982 Scotland would be independent by now. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:12:30 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Anybody there? Message-ID: <017101c1008c$6334a320$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Fernando You still are, but if you like to see your own posts on the list check the FAQ in the webpage to set your account properly. Regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fernando Cecilio <> To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:06 AM Subject: Anybody there? > Hi everybody, > could somebody answer me back if I am still > subscribed? > > TIA > Fernando > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:14:41 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: WWI Aero and period reprints Message-ID: <018b01c1008c$b1a6bac0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thanks Lance! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: WWI Aero and period reprints > Diego ( and anyone else) interested in Flight reprints, period technical reports, and various other pieces of specific aeronautica should make a point of checking out the materials available from WWI Aero. Take a gander at: > > http://www.ww1aeroplanesinc.org/docs/home.htm > > and head for the "Materials" section. > > And, for those of you interested in filling out your collection of this magazine, the "Back Issues" section will enable you to get back to around issue 30 or so, I believe. > > Lance > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:16:50 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Bad modelling assumptions Message-ID: <01ad01c1008c$fe953fa0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hunter > I thought that too. This report is a British capture report so who knows > what they were thinking ;-) Ces anglaises sont tous fous! D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3488 **********************