WWI Digest 3486 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: MAC kits by "Bob Pearson" 2) Re: Fee help, please! by "Lance Krieg" 3) RE: MAC Kits by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 4) Welcome Tom H. by Andreikor@aol.com 5) RE: More Sopwith Baby Qns by "Sanjeev Hirve" 6) Re: Fw: Questions, questions... by "Lance Krieg" 7) Thanks again! by Andreikor@aol.com 8) WWI Aero and period reprints by "Lance Krieg" 9) Re: Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside by Todd Hayes 10) Re: MAC kits by "Muth and Zulick" 11) Re: MAC kits by "Brent Theobald" 12) Re: MAC kits by "Steven Perry" 13) RE: OT Friends by Shane Weier 14) RE: OT Friends by Shane Weier 15) RE: OT Friends by Shane Weier 16) More Sopwith Baby Qns by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 17) RE: MAC kits by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 18) RE: Happy birthday Andrei! by Shane Weier 19) RE: Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside by Shane Weier 20) Re: MAC kits by "Michael Kendix" 21) RE: MAC kits by Shane Weier 22) RE: MAC kits by Shane Weier 23) RE: MAC kits by Shane Weier 24) RE: OT Friends by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 25) RE: Trim??? RE: Bad modelling assumptions by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:44:44 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: MAC kits Message-ID: <200106281840.f5SIeSE24402@mail.rapidnet.net> Revised list.. lets hear it for Sopwith Dolphin Junkers J.I Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:50:29 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Fee help, please! Message-ID: Paul, a man after my own heart, tackles the Aeroclub Fee, a project into which I sunk a lot of time: "[1.] ...identify the box-like object with a switch or lever on top, apparantly mounted on the floor..." I believe this to be the wireless transmitter (note the telegraph key on the starboard nacelle wall), but never recognized a particular model. "Secondly, ... confirm or deny the existence of the [wind]shield?" Can't help here, as I built a different (later) version. But IIRC, that early MG mount is basically just a rod mounted on the nacelle between the cockpits. While the Lewis gun when elevated or depressed might bang into the windshield, it would not interfere... so why would the crew remove it? Note, of course, that there are several different STYLES of windscreen... "[3.] Where is the ammunition box hidden?" I found a crash photo, and there was a two-magazine box on the starboard floor, well forward on that particular plane. With 2 guns, a second or even third pair of drums would not be amiss, IMHO. "Finally, the elephant ear intakes in the kit have 2 internal fins." Most planes appeared to have 2, but these are just stiffeners to help the scoops hold their shape. If there were subcontractors making these, or a mechanic with tin-snips, well... I'd go with the photo of the machine you're building. As far as "Zanzibar" goes, there are several pictures of this machine around., as the German's snapped it from numerous angles; I'd be inclined to trust the DF. Have you some of the other pictures from CC(I)? I'm pretty sure the CDL patches on the wing are clearly photographed, but would have to check... Not many specifics, sorry; let me know if you want me to pursue this more diligently... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:09:04 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: MAC Kits Message-ID: Here's my preferences SPAD VII SPAD XIII (list them separately, they aren't that similar, folks) Camel - Clerget Camel - Bentley Neiuport 10 Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:30:30 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Welcome Tom H. Message-ID: Welcome, Tom! Stick around for a while and get addicted like the rest of us... you won't regret it! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:37:15 -0400 From: "Sanjeev Hirve" To: "wwi-list" Subject: RE: More Sopwith Baby Qns Message-ID: <006d01c10012$1e300780$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Diego, "Fabric. Remember to detail with some bits of sp representing..." What is 'sp' ? sprue? Styrene Plastic? Thanks for your help so far. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:37:43 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Fw: Questions, questions... Message-ID: Neil has been: "...hunting the web for 1/48 RFC serials ..." Two ways to go, though the Pegasus decals are ideal: Americal/Gryphon's RFC/RAF sheets have a lot of SE5 serials. A good hobby shop ought to have RR alphabet/numeral sets in typestyles very close to those you need; I've used this approach. No help on the rest... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:42:05 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Thanks again! Message-ID: <9c.100fc510.286cf09d@aol.com> Paul, Marc, Merrill, Lee, and Robert, Thanks for the afternoon round of wishes, gang... Still making my day... and if I have missed anyone, please forgive... I AM older today, after all :) Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:51:49 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: WWI Aero and period reprints Message-ID: Diego ( and anyone else) interested in Flight reprints, period technical reports, and various other pieces of specific aeronautica should make a point of checking out the materials available from WWI Aero. Take a gander at: http://www.ww1aeroplanesinc.org/docs/home.htm and head for the "Materials" section. And, for those of you interested in filling out your collection of this magazine, the "Back Issues" section will enable you to get back to around issue 30 or so, I believe. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:55:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside Message-ID: <20010628205546.5200.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> About 400 miles west of where I live is still the state of Iowa! Todd --- David Fleming wrote: > Crawford Neil wrote: > > > If you survive all this > > and still have some time left there is the jewel > in the crown on the > > top floor, the aviation dept, I can't remember all > they had, but > > cerainly a Vimy, Amy Johnsons DH Moth "Jason", and > the Schneider Trophy > > winning Supermarine S6B, and lot's of other > trivialities like Me163's > > and suchlike. I really must go again my memory > needs a major refresh. > > /Neil > > > > Notwithstanding my dislike of the way they display > their aircraft, the > Science Museum is wonderful (and free after 4.00pm). > OT & almost OT > aircraft include the Fokker E111 in my photos on the > site, the Alcock & > Brown Vimy, a skywriting SE5a, Cody's Military > aeroplane and an amazing > engine collection. Add to this the Westland > Pterodactyl, 'Jason', the last > Fabric wing Hurricane, Gloster Whittle, Hawker > P1127, Cierva C30. They also > have a fantastic collection of large scale aircraft > models. > > If you plan to come as far North as Scotland, give > me a shout - to us > Brits, 400 miles is a long way, but I know it's just > next door for you > Aussies !! > > dave > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:14:47 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: MAC kits Message-ID: <00e401c10017$5da7a440$0100005a@ptd.net> OK, while I'm drifting toward 1/48 more and more, here's my 1/72 choices: 1. Nieuport 17 (bis) or any of the "rounded" Nieuports. 2. Bristol Bullet Monoplane 3. Any BE2 variant 4. SPAD VII 5. Lohner Flying Boat (Why not????) Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday,June 28,2001 2:40 PM Subject: MAC kits > OK, gents, as I'm sure you've seen I'm quite impressed with the latest MAC > WWI kits. I just got a request from them asking me to help them figure out > what planes they should do next in 1/72, making sure that they'd be good > sellers. So the question goes out to you all: What are the top five planes > you'd like to see in 1/72? I'll compile the list and forward it on. They > have some very good master makers over there (heck, just look at the Rolands > & Phönixes), so these kits will likely be quite good and not too expensive. > > Give this some serious thought and then fire away! > > Sincerely, > Chris Banyai-Riepl > Publisher/Illustrator > Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:13:09 -0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: MAC kits Message-ID: Okay, here we go... Halberstadt CL.II/IV Hannover CL.IIIa Brisfit Breguet 14 HB W.12 Bonus: SMS Panther (Hey, it's small too. They might go for it!) Later! Brent Later! >From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: MAC kits >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:40:27 -0400 (EDT) > >OK, gents, as I'm sure you've seen I'm quite impressed with the latest MAC >WWI kits. I just got a request from them asking me to help them figure out >what planes they should do next in 1/72, making sure that they'd be good >sellers. So the question goes out to you all: What are the top five >planes >you'd like to see in 1/72? I'll compile the list and forward it on. They >have some very good master makers over there (heck, just look at the >Rolands >& Phönixes), so these kits will likely be quite good and not too expensive. > >Give this some serious thought and then fire away! > >Sincerely, >Chris Banyai-Riepl >Publisher/Illustrator >Internet Modeler >http://www.internetmodeler.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:30:58 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: MAC kits Message-ID: <001c01c10019$9f734a80$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > Revised list.. lets hear it for > > Sopwith Dolphin > Junkers J.I I'll second those two ....plus all the others I have seen mentioned so far. All good subjects and needed to one degree or another especially in the MAC quality and price range sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:44:30 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: OT Friends Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1A1@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Diego asks: > Rachel guesses "Mexico?" Joey goes away satisfied and Phoebe > nods approving the bedazzled Rachel. > Haven't you seen a scene like that in the real life? Not in Australia. Interest in WW1 and our part in it is at the highest I can recall in my lifetime. When I was in my teens, every young Aussie wanted to go and live in London or New York for a while after finishing school. Now the ideal seems to be to backpack, with the ritual of attending a dawn service at Gallipoli on ANZAC day as a "must". Literally 10s of thousands of our teens/early 20's now do so every year. Shane (Who might make weird models, but at least everyone knows which war itr was) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:47:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: OT Friends Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1A2@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael admits: > Prior to about 4 years ago, I couldn't have told you what > were the war's > main causes (I'm even more confused about that now:) ....which is actually a sign that you know your stuff IMO Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:58:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: OT Friends Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1A3@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> John says: > I see this every day. We have a large number of the younger set > working at the store. Most of them haven't got a clue about anything > that happened more than 5 years ago, and don't want to know. Either things vary somewhat in Australia, or I live a very cloistered life. My daughters (aged 11) are obviously going to have some grasp of history given my interest, but that doesn't explain why their friends and other kids I know in the 11-13 age group are also pretty savvy about Australian and World history. Clearly, what they "know" is somewhat shallow, but they often surprise me with the breadth of knowledge they have already at that age. Maybe I'm just lucky, but my kids and their friends go to ordinary State schools, not Private - and maybe atypical - schools, and get the standard curriculum. I have no reason to suspect they're much different from the norm, so if they *are* the norm, things in this respect aren't as "bad" as you describe in Australia. Perhaps this is the consequence of our relatively minor position in the world - we mice need to know which way the elephants may turn, so Australians are more interested in what happens/happened outside their shores than people in the biggest and most powerfull countries. Maybe fellow listee David Charles (a teacher in Australia) will add his opinion? Shane. ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:22:51 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org, shirve@evincible.com Subject: More Sopwith Baby Qns Message-ID: <200106282222.AAA24628@mail-relay.eunet.no> Hei, I have built the Eduard kits in 1/48 & 1/72 and have assisted in gathering drawings for the 1/1 Sopwith Baby that is being built here in Norway. Some of our drawings were reprinted in a recent WW1 Aero, but I have scanned two that give more details of the cockpit area. They are fairly large (225kB each), but if SSH or others want them, let me know by Email and I will attach the JPGs. Drawings for personal use only, and the offer is only valid to Saturday, I am going down to hot and dry Qatar again over the weekend... Regarding knowledge of history, there were plenty of reminders of the Brazilian participation in WW2 at Rios international airport. To find something on the Brazilian pilots in WW1, I had to go to Museo Aerospacial - so they were not forgotten. On the other hand, I had a discussion with a Norwegian crewmember who married a Polish girl a few years ago and moved to Gdansk with her. He could not figure out which side Poland had fought on during WW1, and didn`t understand why my answer was; "All of them". "Those who don`t learn from history will repeat the same mistakes" Eders Knut Erik > The construction of the 1/48 Eduard Sopwith Baby is progressing well. I >have some questions about the cockpit interior. >I have as source of reference, scale plans of the Sopwith Camel, Dolphin and >Snipe from the Model Aircraft News volume on WWI. The windsock datafile >does not give any clues about the cockpit interior. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:35:07 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: MAC kits Message-ID: <001201c10022$96593000$401ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> Let me add my two cents: Spad VII (so everyone can make a Spad with Brazilian markings) Hansa-Brandemburg W.12 Hansa-Brandemburg C.I Hannover CL.III Fokker E.III Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Chris > Banyai-Riepl > Sent: Quinta-feira, 28 de Junho de 2001 15:41 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: MAC kits > > > OK, gents, as I'm sure you've seen I'm quite impressed with > the latest MAC > WWI kits. I just got a request from them asking me to help > them figure out > what planes they should do next in 1/72, making sure that > they'd be good > sellers. So the question goes out to you all: What are the > top five planes > you'd like to see in 1/72? I'll compile the list and forward > it on. They > have some very good master makers over there (heck, just look > at the Rolands > & Phönixes), so these kits will likely be quite good and not > too expensive. > > Give this some serious thought and then fire away! > > Sincerely, > Chris Banyai-Riepl > Publisher/Illustrator > Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:02:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Happy birthday Andrei! Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1A4@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Andrei, > Today's there's party at the Koribanics Aerodrome! Ruddy Diego put me in charge of guarding the wine delivery for his party. As we all know, Aussie soldiers are often used for this task on the "set a thief to catch a thief" principle. I found that quite a lot of the wine unaccountably dried up before we got anywhere near to Diegos, and now I'm way too butchers to fly. Must have got a bad prawn ;-) You'll have to make do with local security at your party. I hope you enjoy it, and the next year, immensely. Shane (slouch hat pulled down over bloodshot eyes) (butchers --> butchers hook ----> crook == sick) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:09:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1A6@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dave, > If you plan to come as far North as Scotland, give me a shout - to us > Brits, 400 miles is a long way, but I know it's just next door for you > Aussies !! Good distance for a day trip :-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:36:35 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: MAC kits Message-ID: >From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" >So the question goes out to you all: What are the top five planes >you'd like to see in 1/72? 1. Any of the BE2 or BE12 series. BE2c would be a good start. 2. Bristol Fighter 2B 3. Caproni Ca.3 4. SPAD VII 5. Hansa Brandenburg C.I We are saturated with German subjects and I've built a bunch of them. More on the way from Roden. Time for a bit of variety. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:46:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: MAC kits Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1A8@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Chris asks: > What are the top five planes > you'd like to see in 1/72? This is going to stick in my throat and bring Monsieur Bittner down on me out of the sun in hails of laughter but.... 1. SPAD 7 2. SPAD 13 3. Nieuport 17 4. Bristol Fighter (phew, back to reality) 5. SE-5a Rats. Just five? Okay. At least the first two stand out in my mind as scandalously unrepresented in decent form. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:49:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: MAC kits Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1A9@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> John says: > 1-Spad 7/13(since they tend toward pairs) They do, but there's stuff all commonality here compared to the Pfalz D.III/D.IIIa pair I'd be afraid of getting two kits with "common" parts neither fish nor fowl, though to be fair they've been able to distinguish subtleties well enough and I may just be paranoid. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:52:56 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: MAC kits Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1AA@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Brent says: > Hannover CL.IIIa ...and Marcio says: >Hannover CL.III ...and I say: Airfix FWIW if MAC are really about to listen to us and start releasing badly needed kits I'd rather they made ones where the existing kit is godawfull whereas the Airfix Hannoverana builds into a great model with little effort Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:55:47 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: OT Friends Message-ID: >John says: > >> I see this every day. We have a large number of the younger set >> working at the store. Most of them haven't got a clue about anything >> that happened more than 5 years ago, and don't want to know. > >Either things vary somewhat in Australia, or I live a very cloistered life. >My daughters (aged 11) are obviously going to have some grasp of history >given my interest, but that doesn't explain why their friends and other kids >I know in the 11-13 age group are also pretty savvy about Australian and >World history. Clearly, what they "know" is somewhat shallow, but they often >surprise me with the breadth of knowledge they have already at that age. > >Maybe I'm just lucky, but my kids and their friends go to ordinary State >schools, not Private - and maybe atypical - schools, and get the standard >curriculum. I have no reason to suspect they're much different from the >norm, so if they *are* the norm, things in this respect aren't as "bad" as >you describe in Australia. Shane, I should have been a bit more specific, and narrowed my observations down to the U.S. area. I have a friend who lives in New Zealand, and know via e-mail several who live in Australia. It does seam that those of you who live in that part of the world are much more interested in what has happened in the past and what you can do to prevent the bad parts from happening again. You should be very proud of your daughters and their friends. Over here, it is a very rare event when a teenager knows anything past last week, much less last year. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:04:40 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Trim??? RE: Bad modelling assumptions Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD1AC@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Gaston opines: > Really? I am quite astonished to read that any of the old > canvas kites had > something like a Trim installed. How did it work then? I'm > really curious now ;o). No trim tabs AFAIK to adjust controls, but many WW1 aircraft could be trimmed in flight by one means or another - for example the wheel on the port cockpit wall of an SE-5a, or the lever to the right of the Biff pilots seat. The levers on Pfalz and Albatros columns though, are *locks* to hold them in position while bashing the cr*p out of reuctant Spandaus (or just cocking them, according to several sources) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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