WWI Digest 3484 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Italian Ni.27 (was:R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P) by "Steven Perry" 2) Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside by David Fleming 3) Re: Hello Everybody by David Fleming 4) Re: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion by David Fleming 5) Re: Did anyone else notice? by David Fleming 6) Re: Web site update by Karen Rychlewski 7) Re: # 5000 by David Fleming 8) RE: Happy birthday Andrei! by "Paul E. Thompson" 9) Re: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P by David Fleming 10) Re: OT Friends by ibs4421@commandnet.net 11) RE: Happy Birthday Andrei by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 12) Esci vs Revell was:Re: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion by "Steven Perry" 13) RE: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion by Crawford Neil 14) RE: # 5000 by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 15) RE: OT Friends by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 16) Andrei's Birthday by MAnde72343@aol.com 17) Re: Happy Birthday Andrei by Karen Rychlewski 18) Re: Happy birthday Andrei! by "Lee M." 19) More Sopwith Baby Qns by "Sanjeev Hirve" 20) Re: Did anyone else notice? by "Lee M." 21) RE: Other Lists by "Gaston Graf" 22) Re: Did anyone else notice? by "Lee M." 23) Re: Did anyone else notice? by David Fleming 24) Re: Happy birthday Andrei! by KarrArt@aol.com 25) RE: OT Friends by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 26) Russian SPAD 7 by "Hillman, Tom" 27) RE: Bad modelling assumptions by "Graham Hunter" 28) Re: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion by "Hans Trauner" 29) Dennis' Warbirds by Andreikor@aol.com 30) D.'s Invite by Andreikor@aol.com 31) Thanks, folks! by Andreikor@aol.com 32) Andrei's Birthday by MAnde72343@aol.com 33) RE: OT Friends by "dfernet0" 34) RE: Bad modelling assumptions by "dfernet0" 35) RE: Russian SPAD 7 by "dfernet0" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:59:13 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Italian Ni.27 (was:R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P) Message-ID: <00de01c0ffda$840ef4e0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > Did you hear that? It was the call of breakfast. My bride (Tech > support) is slaving over a hot stove to take care of me in the manner to > which I've become accustomed. Later All I heard was "Fix your own #$%^ plate"...Oh that was BvB ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:30:46 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Science Museum Re: Travel all over the countryside Message-ID: <3B3B1565.3DC99625@dial.pipex.com> Crawford Neil wrote: > If you survive all this > and still have some time left there is the jewel in the crown on the > top floor, the aviation dept, I can't remember all they had, but > cerainly a Vimy, Amy Johnsons DH Moth "Jason", and the Schneider Trophy > winning Supermarine S6B, and lot's of other trivialities like Me163's > and suchlike. I really must go again my memory needs a major refresh. > /Neil > Notwithstanding my dislike of the way they display their aircraft, the Science Museum is wonderful (and free after 4.00pm). OT & almost OT aircraft include the Fokker E111 in my photos on the site, the Alcock & Brown Vimy, a skywriting SE5a, Cody's Military aeroplane and an amazing engine collection. Add to this the Westland Pterodactyl, 'Jason', the last Fabric wing Hurricane, Gloster Whittle, Hawker P1127, Cierva C30. They also have a fantastic collection of large scale aircraft models. If you plan to come as far North as Scotland, give me a shout - to us Brits, 400 miles is a long way, but I know it's just next door for you Aussies !! dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:31:54 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hello Everybody Message-ID: <3B3B15AA.F1A31944@dial.pipex.com> Warren, Welcome from Scotland !! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:53:39 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion Message-ID: <3B3B36E3.6A5CBBA9@dial.pipex.com> LEONARDPeterL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 27/06/01 17:34:50 GMT Daylight Time, mdf@mars.ark.com > writes: > > << On the other hand the 1/72nd OT kits last produced by Esci were flagrant > unlicenced copies (though poor ones) of the Revell kits >> > > Not sure I agree with you there. I was looking at their SPAD XIII recently > with a view to a XII conversion (now no longer necessary thanks to Pegasus) > and it seemed to me that it owed more to the Airfix VII than the Revell kit. > The Albatros DIII has a better fuselage than Revell's but the wings are > garbage. The Nieuport is nowhere near as good as Revell's, which itself needs > a lot of work, but the DVII aint half bad. Never seen the Camel. > > > Peter L The Camel is no where near as good as the Revell one, the Fokker DVII almost an exact copy. Never seen the Revell SE5a. I think Ray Rimell is the most guilty of propagating this myth, but not the only one. The kits may be 'inspired' by (I mean, why else exactly the same 6 subjects), but with the exception AFAICS of the DVII, they are not copies. The SPADs are not even the same scale !! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:01:10 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Did anyone else notice? Message-ID: <3B3B38A6.F23A38C0@dial.pipex.com> Ken Acosta wrote: > Lee- > It looks like you're still without your answer. SAMI Volume 7, Issue 5. > KA Which is hardly the latest issue, having Vol7/7 in front of me, MAC Pfalz DIII build up article and a 16 age AM B-25 one !! Oh, and if you check the digests you will see I mentioned the late model licenec built Northrop Pup matter then (Smug smile) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:09:05 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Web site update Message-ID: <3B3B3A81.4EB4C734@earthlink.net> Dennis, really fine work: one would never know these were among the first vacuforms you built--beautifully done! These two kits are some I missed along the way: that Junkers looks like it was a very nice kit. I compliment you for having the self-assurance to add early work to your site. I think it encourages our newer/younger/returning builders to see that all of us did a "first one"--warts and all Dame Karen Dennis Ugulano wrote: > Everyone, > > I've added two of my very early vacuforms to the the site. So > early in fact that # 1 vacuform is on line. They are the Pfalz D.III and > Junkers D.I, both by Warbirds. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm > Page Revised 6/28/01 > "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:03:14 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: # 5000 Message-ID: <3B3B3922.B4ED7DA6@dial.pipex.com> Dennis Ugulano wrote: > Everyone, > > WOW!!! That's what Tech Support told me to say. About what? > Last August, about the 1st, she put a counter on my web site. Today the > counter went past 5000. What can I say except thank you going over and > looking at my kits. I really appreciate it. > And for one moment I thought this was the number of models Dennis has now built !! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:16:57 +0200 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Happy birthday Andrei! Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010628161545.00b06ea0@pop.xs4all.nl> >HB from me 2, Andrei. Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:05:56 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P Message-ID: <3B3B39C4.29005EF6@dial.pipex.com> Somewhere in the back of my mind a little thought keeps coming back that the Type 'P' designation was applied to 2 different MS types - a single seater and a twin seater. My MS references are virtually nil - anyone care to comment ? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:13:35 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: OT Friends Message-ID: <002e01c0ffdc$861fe8a0$9d3dfad1@esther> Having done 20 years of living history programs at National Battlefield Parks, state historic sites, and a couple of years working full-timeas an interpreter at a museum, and a wife who is a history teacher, YES! I have seen too many situations like this. Sadly thinking about the ignorance of Americans today, Warren > Haven't you seen a scene like that in the real life? > D. > Ignorance sometimes is a blessing > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:16:01 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Happy Birthday Andrei Message-ID: BBBrrpppp, Bbbbrrrrpppp, BBBBrrrrppp A light gray Sopwith Camel suddenly appears above the treetops, blipping it's engine. As it circles the aerodrome, the word TEXAS is visible on the fuselage. On it's second pass, a package is tossed from the cockpit. It bounces once then breaks open. The field is littered with the contents, specially made plastic bottles with a long tip on top that is the perfect dispenser of CA glue. It never gets stopped up and the glue stays in liquid form all the way down to the last drop. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:26:03 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Esci vs Revell was:Re: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion Message-ID: <00f601c0ffde$42c36c60$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> Never seen the Revell SE5a. I know for a fact that the Revell and Esci are not identical. The Revell wing has the short span wide chord ailerons and the Esci has the long span narrow chord ailerons as well as less top wing center section detail. You can read about the adventures in modeling that not noticing the difference caused me in an upcoming IM. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:26:11 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion Message-ID: I had a look at the Fuji (same as Esci) Spad the other day, and you're right, it's much smaller than the Revell. And really not such a bad model as I thought, I think maybe people (me!) have been a bit prejuduced against them because they seem to be copies. I still prefer the Revell kits though. /Neil > > The Camel is no where near as good as the Revell one, the > Fokker DVII almost an > exact copy. Never seen the Revell SE5a. I think Ray Rimell is > the most guilty of > propagating this myth, but not the only one. The kits may be > 'inspired' by (I > mean, why else exactly the same 6 subjects), but with the > exception AFAICS of the > DVII, they are not copies. The SPADs are not even the same scale !! > > Dave > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:31:00 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: # 5000 Message-ID: <000501c0ffde$f4396a80$401ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of David > Fleming > Sent: Quinta-feira, 28 de Junho de 2001 11:28 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: # 5000 > > And for one moment I thought this was the number of models > Dennis has now > built !! > > Dave Me too! I was wondering where someone would put 5000 models. With best regards Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:38:23 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: OT Friends Message-ID: <000601c0ffdf$fc39a500$401ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of > ibs4421@commandnet.net > Subject: Re: OT Friends > > > Having done 20 years of living history programs at National > Battlefield > Parks, state historic sites, and a couple of years working > full-timeas an > interpreter at a museum, and a wife who is a history teacher, > YES! I have > seen too many situations like this. > > Sadly thinking about the ignorance of Americans today, Imagine Brazilians, then. We don't respect even our WWII veterans. Best regards Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:38:34 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Andrei's Birthday Message-ID: Happy birthday, Andrei. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:47:49 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Andrei Message-ID: <3B3B4395.EAF59352@earthlink.net> Hey Marc, my birthday is in two months--can I have some of those too?? Dame Karen "Flake, Marc" wrote: > BBBrrpppp, Bbbbrrrrpppp, BBBBrrrrppp > > A light gray Sopwith Camel suddenly appears above the treetops, blipping > it's engine. As it circles the aerodrome, the word TEXAS is visible on the > fuselage. On it's second pass, a package is tossed from the cockpit. It > bounces once then breaks open. The field is littered with the contents, > specially made plastic bottles with a long tip on top that is the perfect > dispenser of CA glue. It never gets stopped up and the glue stays in liquid > form all the way down to the last drop. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:54:57 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Happy birthday Andrei! Message-ID: <3B3B4540.49FBE23C@x25.net> There is also a little red Triplane, with lawnmower blades hanging underneath, and a really hot engine, strafing everything down to less than two,inches. Have a great one Andrei. Keep doing it till you get it right. It's working for me. Lee M. Sharon Henderson wrote: > A lovely day, perfect flying weather.... > > from everywhere, handsome planes with perfectly primed > engines are making their way to Andrei's aerodrome. > One of them, a trim little purple Albatros DIII with a > sky-blue undercarriage, makes its way into the > airspace and lands very, very carefully, taxiing over > to one side so the mechanics can take the wings and > guide it into a nice little spot away from more, err, > *finished* bi- and tri-wings. > > Out pops Rev. Sharon in a spiffy British flying coat, > a Prussian pilot's badge hand-painted on the map > pocket by Bob and Diego. She looks about, trying to > figure out who else has arrived, and is bemused to > note that there is one plane whose cowl is still > drying -- therefore impossible to tell what the final > color of it will be. ;-) She strides over to Andrei, > salutes smartly: > > "Happy Birthday, Sir!" > > Then she kisses him on each side of his face, and > hands him his present: an eighty year old bottle of > French brandy, two tubes of fine glue for modelling > purposes, and a small package that has the ability to > morph into whatever Andrei would like best for his > birthday. > > "And many more birthdays to you, dear Andrei! Now -- > where's the food and beer?" :-) > > Many happy returns of the day, Andrei! > > Cheers, > Sharon > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:04:48 -0400 From: "Sanjeev Hirve" To: "wwi-list" Subject: More Sopwith Baby Qns Message-ID: <000e01c0ffe3$ad1dbc00$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Hello, The construction of the 1/48 Eduard Sopwith Baby is progressing well. I have some questions about the cockpit interior. I have as source of reference, scale plans of the Sopwith Camel, Dolphin and Snipe from the Model Aircraft News volume on WWI. The windsock datafile does not give any clues about the cockpit interior. Can someone confirm my assumptions: 1- the cockpit floor is plywood, and extends from the firewall back under the seat. There is no floor behind the seat. What is colour of bottom where there is no floor? 2- ailerons are controlled by turning the wheel on the control column, the coumn does not move side-to-side 3- aileron control cables are not visible because they run under the floor inside the wing. 4- rudder cables attach directly to the rudder bar, outboard of the foot rest. They run straight back into the rear fuselage and then angle upward. 5- elevator control is by a link rod from near the base of the control column, running back under the seat into the rear fuselage to some sort of bell-crank. 6- there is a pump thingy in the right front area below the instrument panel. 7- couple of control lever on the left-side wall (per kit) Does anybody have any reference ? Are there any aircraft that have a similar cockpit? thanks SSH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:08:45 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: Ken Acosta , wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Did anyone else notice? Message-ID: <3B3B487D.B9AC81AA@x25.net> Ken, Thanks again. The date is even more needed than may be obvious at first glance Since I am more than 30 miles, from the source of magazines, it is nice to know someone, some where, that got the next one I am waiting for. It can cost more than $2.50 just to chase after it. While it may seem whacky, to be a bit fussy, about something like that it is still a bit silly to post a comment with so little information Half, or less, of the information is not much use to anyone. It is in the same category as saying I saw a good photo of a SPAD 7 in a book a few days ago. So what? Where is then rest of the story? You might be surprised at the number of "dumb" responses I got direct. Lee M. Ken Acosta wrote: > Glad to help. I'd also appreciate the "full story" when announcements like this are made. > KA > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:05:10 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Other Lists Message-ID: > > >> I know some of the folks on this list are interested in other > model subjects in addition to WWI A/C. I'm wondering if there are > any other mailing lists such as this for other subjects. I am > also interested in WWII armor and would love to find a list for > that topic. > > If it exists, I'd love to hear about it. Since this is ot, feel free to > contact me off-list. << > I forgot to mention that I am highly interested into WWII modeling lists as well, especially about armor and aircraft. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:16:58 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Did anyone else notice? Message-ID: <3B3B4A6A.543E3012@x25.net> Dave, it is obvious you understand what I said. Current is as Current does and all is not the same world wide. I have been to many places around the world for many years and I can personally swear that vol 7, issue 7, will not arrive, in a shop, in Brunei, Borneo during the next two months, unless the owner brings them back in luggage after a vacation.. And it won't matter if it has OT planes or not. Lee M. David Fleming wrote: > Ken Acosta wrote: > > > Lee- > > It looks like you're still without your answer. SAMI Volume 7, Issue 5. > > KA > > Which is hardly the latest issue, having Vol7/7 in front of me, MAC Pfalz > DIII build up article and a 16 age AM B-25 one !! > > Oh, and if you check the digests you will see I mentioned the late model > licenec built Northrop Pup matter then > > (Smug smile) > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:12:22 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Did anyone else notice? Message-ID: <3B3B4956.D7025A77@dial.pipex.com> "Lee M." wrote: > Dave, it is obvious you understand what I said. > > Current is as Current does and all is not the same world wide. I have been to > many places around the world for many years and I can personally swear that > vol 7, issue 7, will not arrive, in a shop, in Brunei, Borneo during the next > two months, unless the owner brings them back in luggage after a vacation.. Exactly ! We get FSM here in the UK usually a month after the US gets theirs. I always try to give numbers of issue dates when quoting periodicals. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:21:23 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Happy birthday Andrei! Message-ID: <33.1713a55b.286ca573@aol.com> In a message dated 6/28/01 3:53:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Today's there's party at the Koribanics Aerodrome! get in your triplanes and pups, and let's strafe his tents! Have a great day, buddy D. >> I'll be taking the Fokker Quintuplane today- the Pup's in the shop having its air conditioner serviced and a bunch of pierced &tatooed punk kids stole the triplane, went joy riding, and wrecked the landing gear.......plus the Quint has a better stereo system! Happy B'Day AK! RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:25:47 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: OT Friends Message-ID: >Gaston wrote: >> Like such damn stupid TV shows try to be a mirror of real life, the >> described dialogue is saddening. > >However this time the silly TV show hit the nail. The writers (and perhaps >the actors) must have felt this lack of compromise on real life and they >translated it to the show. Sadenning, indeed, but some of us can read >between the lines. >D. In this day and at this time, I would bet that the writers and actors both had no idea how far off they were, and probably thought they were correct. I see this every day. We have a large number of the younger set working at the store. Most of them haven't got a clue about anything that happened more than 5 years ago, and don't want to know. We are living in a very "Instant Gratification Society" now, or an "I want what ever it is right now, and I don't want to have to wait for it or have to think about how to get it either". Their attitude has become more of a "If you want me to do something, what are you going to do for me first". Most of them think Germany bombed Pearl Harbor. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:52:18 -0400 From: "Hillman, Tom" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Russian SPAD 7 Message-ID: <25BB0B664C1DD5118D4E0002A51B9CD3399AF8@xaug11.mail.state.me.us> Hello, I am new to the list, but have visited the website often. Question: Has anyone run across information on the color of the Russian built SPAD. Most (Blue Rider) refer to them as the standard SPAD yellow, but the Duxs factory used light gray after 1915 or 16. Russia recieved 43 SPAD in 1917 and these were the yellow dope. They also got the lic. to built frames and use imported engines. Western books list 100 built by Duxs, but Soviet sources state 63 of a planned 200 were finally assembled in 1918-1920 at GAZ#1 or former Duxs. Does anyone know if these were indeed gray doped? I have read the Flying Machine and Andersson books. TIA, Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:51:40 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Bad modelling assumptions Message-ID: <001201c0ffea$398f59e0$fa0101c0@grahamh> D. wrote, To: Subject: Re: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion Message-ID: <002901c0ffef$f8d5c640$0aa272d4@FRITZweb> > > Great Dave, then you can tell us the meaning of life! > > /Neil > IT'S 42!!!! > > :-D Hmm... on my last trip trough the galaxy I met a man, who was bitt(n)er about that it isn't 72! H. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:34:11 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Dennis' Warbirds Message-ID: <3e.db4e33c.286cb683@aol.com> Dennis, You're a brave man... and did a great job on the Junkers and Pfalz! I can't imagine how you built the Pfalz without obliterating the corrugations, but it looks great! Nice paint, too! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:37:51 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: D.'s Invite Message-ID: D. wrote: Today's there's party at the Koribanics Aerodrome! get in your triplanes and pups, and let's strafe his tents! Have a great day, buddy D.> Many thanks D.! To anyone flying in... just be careful... D. filled the windsock with Salsa... wind is from the South, trust me :) Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:07:49 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Thanks, folks! Message-ID: <93.c75f9f8.286cbe65@aol.com> Thanks Diego, Neil, Gaston, Volker, Michael, Dale, Mack, Steve, Marcio, Mark, Sharon, Bill, Tom, Karen and John (and please forgive me if I left anyone out!) All your wishes have truly made my day :) Thank you for your friendship! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:22:14 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Andrei's Birthday Message-ID: <105.5704ab7.286cc1c6@aol.com> Another list mystery (to go with Matt Nungesser) I have been going to the Chicago MMSI Show since 1988. During that time, I have gained 20 pounds, had a lot of my hair go west, and the rest go gray, while Andrei hasn't changed a bit. Now maybe I'm just going down hill faster, but can anyone who builds models that well be completely human??? Just a thought Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:28:32 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: OT Friends Message-ID: <006b01c0fff7$c11a38a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> John wrote: > In this day and at this time, I would bet that the writers and > actors both had no idea how far off they were, and probably thought > they were correct. I don't want to be an apologizer, but the whole scene seemed as to portray another blunder of the three "stupid" characters of the series, as opposed to the "serious" Ross, the nice brunette and the other guy (boy I think that every teenager must know their names!) > We are living in a very "Instant Gratification Society" Conceded. I'm amazed to read, from time to time, review of kits wich turn black a kit manufacturer just because they don't provide a whole set of photoetched details for every wheel well for their latest Bf***9! > Most of them think Germany bombed Pearl Harbor. Ha! Everybody knows that they were the Irakis!!! D. Damned Fidel! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:32:28 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Bad modelling assumptions Message-ID: <007301c0fff8$4df8d7e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Graham wrote: > This curved device is to lock the elevators in place during a dive or > whatever. It is not for adjusting the inclination of the control stick. The > Flight articles (printed during the War) released as a photocopied package > from WWI Aero is an excellent sorce of info on the Pfalz. Thanks, Graham, I stand corrected. But why a pilot would want to lock the controls in a dive? I've seen a similar device on some renderings of the Fokker E series and I asked myself the same question (I guessed that it was used to charge the MGs, am I wrong again?) How can I do to get such pfalz files from WW1 Aero? I'm a subscriber (recently) should I have some discount? Thanks! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:38:06 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Russian SPAD 7 Message-ID: <008b01c0fff9$16ec5320$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Tom! Welcome to the list! You'll have a good time here I would reccomend you a series of articles by Harry Woodman appeared on Windsock on the latest years (I know that last year were nieuports) that mentioned the characteristics of russian airplanes and from Dux in particular. Maybe someone with the issues at hand can point you to the exact issue and volume number. HTH D. Tell us what you're building. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hillman, Tom To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: Russian SPAD 7 > Hello, > > I am new to the list, but have visited the website often. > > Question: Has anyone run across information on the color of the Russian > built SPAD. Most (Blue Rider) refer to them as the standard SPAD yellow, > but the Duxs factory used light gray after 1915 or 16. Russia recieved 43 > SPAD in 1917 and these were the yellow dope. They also got the lic. to > built frames and use imported engines. Western books list 100 built by > Duxs, but Soviet sources state 63 of a planned 200 were finally assembled in > 1918-1920 at GAZ#1 or former Duxs. > > Does anyone know if these were indeed gray doped? > > I have read the Flying Machine and Andersson books. > > TIA, > > Tom > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3484 **********************