WWI Digest 3482 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Is the list up? by MAnde72343@aol.com 2) RE: ICM Ships by "Ray Boorman" 3) Re: Is there a list group meeting planned for Nats? by "diaphus" 4) Re: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 5) Web site update by Dennis Ugulano 6) Re: ICM Ships by Todd Hayes 7) RE: ICM Ships by Shane Weier 8) Re: Did anyone else notice? by "Lee M." 9) Italian Ni.27 (was:R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P) by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 10) Bad modelling assumptions by Shane Weier 11) R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 12) RE: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion by "Jay M. Thompson" 13) RE: Bad modelling assumptions by "Jay M. Thompson" 14) RE: Bad modelling assumptions by Crawford Neil 15) RE: Bad modelling assumptions by Crawford Neil 16) Fee help, please! by "Paul E. Thompson" 17) RE: Bad modelling assumptions by "dfernet0" 18) more pfalz! by "dfernet0" 19) RE: Web site update by "dfernet0" 20) OT Friends by "dfernet0" 21) Happy birthday Andrei! by "dfernet0" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:45:24 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is the list up? Message-ID: <9d.17784882.286c0254@aol.com> Quiet Evening, but the list is "up", if that really is Shane. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:45:50 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: ICM Ships Message-ID: <3B3AA86E.000001.91855@ray.bconnected.net> Shane, are you going to add the pole like things on the sides of the hull, Torpedo net poles erm whatever. (I'm a real dummy on Ships). I have seen a picture that had one of these ships with the nets deployed and it would look pretty impressive if anyone can work out how to make them. Just a thought. Yes i know you really dont want to spend another two months adding them. I hope ICM bring out HMS Hood and to the same standard. Ray -------Original Message------- From: Shane Weier Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 06:53:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: ICM Ships Matt > Impressive! Can't wait to see Shane's. Me too :-( Nah. Mine is coming on nicely. However ...... I feel pretty embarrassed about being around 3 months overdue already and likely to be another two months overdue when done. OTOH, mine is fitted (or will be when it's all on) with etched brass details (railing and so forth) and if the railing, rigging and detail touch up goes okay I think I'll be tres pleased with the model. Shane nb. Konig - details, details. Still searching for truth about some things, gluing on the others nb. Toko Pfalz D.XII (I must have an entry for small scale aircraft for our show) nb. Another ot ship. Don't ask ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:50:48 -0400 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: Is there a list group meeting planned for Nats? Message-ID: <008c01c0ff85$84a65380$a7632241@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Geher" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Is there a list group meeting planned for Nats? > At 12:27 PM 6/26/01 -0400, you wrote: > > >And Michael's question is a good one: what's being judged on Friday. > > The model contest is being judged Friday night. If you're planning on > slipping a winner in on Saturday afternoon, just before the doors close, > you're due for a surprise! Saturday is for spectators only. > > We started this last year at Dallas and it was regarded as very successful. > > Eli Geher > Eli, Just to keep IPMS history straight, we started the Friday night judging at Orlando in '99 :-) Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:05:13 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P Message-ID: <3B3AACF9.336CDE3D@mars.ark.com> What machine is this? Are there any pictures of it? Mike F. Alberto Casirati wrote: > > Dear Dennis, > > that Nieuport Ni.27 is a very special machine, at least as far as its finish > is concerned. > > >From the contemporary picture I know it is very difficult to estabilish > whether it was aluminium doped or CDL. So we must try to put some more > elements together. > > The aeroplane belonged to the 73a Squadriglia of the Aviazione del Regio > Esercito, based in Macedonia from 10th November 1917. Italy never produced > Ni. 27s under license, importing them from France directly. > > This machine actually sported the original French roundels under the top > wing, while it is very difficult to detect whether cockades were present > under lower wings, too. Outer wheel covers were probably red. > Upper surfaces of wings are not shown by the contemporary picture at my > disposal. > > So what ? The presence of the French roundels seem to assure that the > aeroplane maintained its original French finish. Seeing French roundels on > wings undersurfaces of Italian flown Ni.27s was not uncommon and the > machines of that type flown by Italian pilots usually retained their > original French camouflage. > > According to my references, it seems that early French machines of this type > were actually aluminium doped, which seems to me the most sensible choice. > > The machine could also be the combination of an aluminium doped fuselage and > of 5-colours flying surfaces, obviously coming from at least two different > airframes. This can also be considered an acceptable choice, as operational > conditions on the Macedonian front were far from ideal. > > Hope this can be of some help. > > All the very best, > > Alberto Casirati > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:21 PM > Subject: R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P > > > Dear Dennis, > > > > That's the worse news I've had all day and it's only 5am. So what > > you are saying is the front jagged line is green and the large portion at > > the rear is red? In the words of Charlie Brown: Arrrrgggghhhh! > > [Casirati Alberto] Sorry for bringing bad news in, but I suppose it would > > have been worse to become aware of that after completing the model... > > Yes, according to the only contemporary picture of this aeroplane I know > > of, colours should be in the usual Italian disposition: green - white - > > red, with green leading. > > > > At least I found out before finishing the kit. While on the > > subject, is the tail plane silver top and bottom? > > [Casirati Alberto] I am sorry, but....I believe this machine was clear > > doped. I may be wrong, however, as I do not have the picture with me at > the > > office. I will be more precise on this this evening. > > > > All the very best, > > > > [Casirati Alberto] Alberto > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:17:32 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Web site update Message-ID: <200106280017_MC3-D76C-DBEC@compuserve.com> Everyone, I've added two of my very early vacuforms to the the site. So early in fact that # 1 vacuform is on line. They are the Pfalz D.III and Junkers D.I, both by Warbirds. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 6/28/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ICM Ships Message-ID: <20010628040753.66935.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Matt, Shane, et al, For anyone planning to build either the Koenig or the Great Elector (Grosser Kurfuerst), I believe Tom's Mworks does some PE sets just for them. I'm not a ship modeler, but I do keep my eyes open for anything OT that might interest my fellow listees. Todd --- Matt Bittner wrote: > Impressive! Can't wait to see Shane's. > > Tushino Aviapress has posted images of the ICM ships > completed: > http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?ICM-S001 > http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?ICM-S002 > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:09:56 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: ICM Ships Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD19D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ray, > Shane, are you going to add the pole like things on the sides > of the hull, > Torpedo net poles erm whatever. (I'm a real dummy on Ships). > I have seen a > picture that had one of these ships with the nets deployed > and it would look > pretty impressive if anyone can work out how to make them. No. > > Just a thought. Yes i know you really dont want to spend > another two months > adding them. The choice is between building the ship pre-Jutland, when she had the torpedo nets and post Jutland, when she didn't. The White Ensign Miniatures brass includes the shelf for the torpedo nets which is also required for the earlier version, and about 200 mounting brackets and tiny davits used to handle the netting. I confess that while I liked the idea of the net best, the reality was that it'd add another month or more to what I originally expected to be a long project. In order to build the ship in its later configuration you need (minimum) to remove and fill the 88mm low angle gun positions in the forward superstructure (these were removed after Jutland) This is the option I chose. *Most* of the reason I've been slow is simply down to unfamiliarity with the best build/paint/detail sequence for ships - especially with a lot of fragile brass details. The remainder is a combination of my usual slowness with dificulty researching the prototype (and here Volker wins the medal for conspicuous service I might add) None of the slowness comes down to the kit. There are a *few* places where fit could be better, and IMO less places than other reviews I've seen would have you believe Anyone who fancies an OT battleship should buy one of these kits > > I hope ICM bring out HMS Hood and to the same standard. > Me too, because it'll mean they're still in business and making ships. As a WWI aircraft modeller who felt ignored and impoverished for years I truly understand the shippies feeling the way I did 10 years ago. It's a pity that more of them didn't rush out and buy the Konig/Grosser Kurfurst instead of bitching that it wasn't "interesting" (IMHO, this usually means "not USN or Kriegsmarine" but I may be cynical. I wonder if they really think ICM will sell a million WW2 USN carrier kits at the likely price?) At least Hood is OT (ish)though no doubt she'll be presented as sunk. Nevertheless I hope they release it and sell a million. Not holding my breath though :-( Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:38:55 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Did anyone else notice? Message-ID: <3B3AC2EF.5E9C8FEB@x25.net> Time Warps can be a fun time if you get there at the right time. I might arrive in at a point where I could finally fly a DR-1. Do they have those in Alabama? Lee M. DAVID BURKE wrote: > > I guess all the SAMI in Alabama are the current issue no matter how old > they > > are. > > > > Lee M. > > > > As a matter of fact, it's Volume 7, Issue 5. And your statement may be > correct, as I have heard from many that driving thru Alabama was kind of > like driving through a time warp!! > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:33:36 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Italian Ni.27 (was:R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P) Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F01D@SERVER1> Dear Dennis, Would I be too far fetched if I left the French roundel on the bottom of the top wing and Italian roundels on the top and bottom of the upper and lower wings? [Casirati Alberto] In the absence of any positive proof, I suppose dicta ira applies here. Personally, however, I would prefer the following choice: - Italian roundels (green outer rings) over the upper wing; - French roundels under the upper and the lower wings. I still have to reverse the colors of the tail strips and the jagged markings on the fuselage. I was trying to make this a simple build but is such an animal? [Casirati Alberto] This is one of the best looking Ni.27s in my view. I am working on that same vac but will build Sgt. Marziale Cerutti's mount instead. He was a 17 victories ace and probably one of the most brilliant exponents of the Ni.27 as a fighting machine. Thanks for the excellent research. I see why your magazine articles are so interesting to read. Such in depth research. Enjoy your vacation. [Casirati Alberto] Thanks for the warm words. I will ! All the very best, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:49:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: Bad modelling assumptions Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD19F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hi all, I've just been re-reading the March/April issue of Windsock, in which there's a lengthy build article regarding the Eduard Pfalz D.IIIa The author shortens the control column becaus "it's too long" based on the fact that otherwise it hits the instrument panel. Now this strikes me as a bad assumption - he's assumed that the neutral position for the stick is *vertical* at which point it's already hitting the panel, and that it'd need to be pushed forward past the control panel to dive the aircraft. Now *many* aircraft have the stick leaning back towards the pilot when it's in the neutral position, and if the stick is pushed to the maximum forward position it's near vertical, and the aircraft elevators are hard down, not neutral. (For an example, see the Camel cockpit photo on Witolds page http://www.tmg.obywatel.pl/re_ph_camel_kra_06.jpg ) So - what evidence is there that Pfalz pilots had extra long arms so that they could push the control column out past their ankles to make a dive? Or has the author made an unwarranted assumption? Incidentally, this is a likely scenario to get caught up by a know-nothing judge. Just because the stick is leaning somewhat back *doesn't* mean the elevator should be *up* - it depends on where the stick neutral position is. You may lose marks for control surfaces not matching the control stick position despite actually being right! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:36:30 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F01F@SERVER1> Yes, Mark, there is one. You can find it in the relevant Windsock Datafile Special, although its quality is inferior to the one published in "I Reparti dell'Aviazione Italiana nella Grande Guerra", by R.Gentilli and P. Varriale. All the very best, Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: mdf@mars.ark.com [SMTP:mdf@mars.ark.com] Inviato: giovedi 28 giugno 2001 6.05 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: Re: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P What machine is this? Are there any pictures of it? Mike F. Alberto Casirati wrote: > > Dear Dennis, > > that Nieuport Ni.27 is a very special machine, at least as far as its finish > is concerned. > > >From the contemporary picture I know it is very difficult to estabilish > whether it was aluminium doped or CDL. So we must try to put some more > elements together. > > The aeroplane belonged to the 73a Squadriglia of the Aviazione del Regio > Esercito, based in Macedonia from 10th November 1917. Italy never produced > Ni. 27s under license, importing them from France directly. > > This machine actually sported the original French roundels under the top > wing, while it is very difficult to detect whether cockades were present > under lower wings, too. Outer wheel covers were probably red. > Upper surfaces of wings are not shown by the contemporary picture at my > disposal. > > So what ? The presence of the French roundels seem to assure that the > aeroplane maintained its original French finish. Seeing French roundels on > wings undersurfaces of Italian flown Ni.27s was not uncommon and the > machines of that type flown by Italian pilots usually retained their > original French camouflage. > > According to my references, it seems that early French machines of this type > were actually aluminium doped, which seems to me the most sensible choice. > > The machine could also be the combination of an aluminium doped fuselage and > of 5-colours flying surfaces, obviously coming from at least two diffe rent > airframes. This can also be considered an acceptable choice, as operational > conditions on the Macedonian front were far from ideal. > > Hope this can be of some help. > > All the very best, > > Alberto Casirati > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:21 PM > Subject: R: R: Morane-Saulnier Type P > > > Dear Dennis, > > > > That's the worse news I've had all day and it's only 5am. So what > > you are saying is the front jagged line is green and the large portion at > > the rear is red? In the words of Charlie Brown: Arrrrgggghhhh! > > [Casirati Alberto] Sorry for bringing bad news in, but I suppose it would > > have been worse to become aware of that after completing the model... > > Yes, according to the only contemporary picture of this aeroplane I know > > of, colours should be in the usual Italian disposition: green - white - > > red, with green leading. > > > > At least I found out before finishing the kit. While on the > > subject, is the tail plane silver top and bottom? > > [Casirati Alberto] I am sorry, but....I believe this machine was clear > > doped. I may be wrong, however, as I do not have the picture with me at > the > > office. I will be more precise on this this evening. > > > > All the very best, > > > > [Casirati Alberto] Alberto > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 02:56:04 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion Message-ID: (required response, bless Douglas Adam's soul) "But...what is the question?" -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of DAVID BURKE Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:43 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion > Great Dave, then you can tell us the meaning of life! > /Neil IT'S 42!!!! :-D DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:29:43 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Bad modelling assumptions Message-ID: Very good point Shane...as a matter of fact I had to assume that the D.VII's stick's neutral position was slightly back, as the photos I had clearly showed its length, but it going much forward of vertical just didn't make much sense. Now the downside, how in the heck are you going to know this unless you have drawings that you KNOW are dead nuts accurate, but if the stick moved past vertical it would hit something and/or the pilot had to have gorilla-length arms to move it past vertical? That is, you're right that it's a bad assumption to assume neutral is vertical, but unless you have way better data than I do, putting neutral canted back will also be an assumption -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Shane Weier Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 3:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Bad modelling assumptions Incidentally, this is a likely scenario to get caught up by a know-nothing judge. Just because the stick is leaning somewhat back *doesn't* mean the elevator should be *up* - it depends on where the stick neutral position is. You may lose marks for control surfaces not matching the control stick position despite actually being right! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:36:16 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Bad modelling assumptions Message-ID: Hey, thanks Shane, this is a thing that has often puzzled me. It's obvious when you think about it, I just never have done much thinking, and wondered how people managed to fly these things with the stick in the instrument panel. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Weier [mailto:sdw@qld.mim.com.au] > Sent: den 28 juni 2001 10:09 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Bad modelling assumptions > > > Hi all, > > I've just been re-reading the March/April issue of Windsock, in which > there's a lengthy build article regarding the Eduard Pfalz D.IIIa > > The author shortens the control column becaus "it's too long" > based on the > fact that otherwise it hits the instrument panel. > > Now this strikes me as a bad assumption - he's assumed that > the neutral > position for the stick is *vertical* at which point it's > already hitting the > panel, and that it'd need to be pushed forward past the > control panel to > dive the aircraft. > > Now *many* aircraft have the stick leaning back towards the > pilot when it's > in the neutral position, and if the stick is pushed to the > maximum forward > position it's near vertical, and the aircraft elevators are > hard down, not > neutral. (For an example, see the Camel cockpit photo on Witolds page > http://www.tmg.obywatel.pl/re_ph_camel_kra_06.jpg ) > > So - what evidence is there that Pfalz pilots had extra long > arms so that > they could push the control column out past their ankles to > make a dive? Or > has the author made an unwarranted assumption? > > Incidentally, this is a likely scenario to get caught up by a > know-nothing > judge. Just because the stick is leaning somewhat back > *doesn't* mean the > elevator should be *up* - it depends on where the stick > neutral position is. > You may lose marks for control surfaces not matching the control stick > position despite actually being right! > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:59:22 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Bad modelling assumptions Message-ID: Presumably it would vary a little, depending on how big the pilot was, he would request his plane to be rigged to suit him. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay M. Thompson [mailto:vossie@mindspring.com] > Sent: den 28 juni 2001 10:31 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Bad modelling assumptions > > > Very good point Shane...as a matter of fact I had to assume > that the D.VII's > stick's neutral position was slightly back, as the photos I > had clearly > showed its length, but it going much forward of vertical just > didn't make > much sense. > > Now the downside, how in the heck are you going to know this > unless you have > drawings that you KNOW are dead nuts accurate, but if the > stick moved past > vertical it would hit something and/or the pilot had to have > gorilla-length > arms to move it past vertical? That is, you're right that it's a bad > assumption to assume neutral is vertical, but unless you have > way better > data than I do, putting neutral canted back will also be an > assumption > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:13:49 +0200 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Fee help, please! Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010628105221.00a86f00@pop.xs4all.nl> Dear List, I'm building an Aeroclub Fe2b at the moment and need some help. 4 things. Can anyone identify the box-like object with a switch or lever on top, apparantly mounted on the floor, on the left of the observer's cockpit, page 20, Windsock Datafile 18? It's too big to leave out if it was a standard fixture, and I can't really judge how deep it is without knowing what it is. Secondly, I'm doing the kit subject (6341 Zanzibar) and can see from the photos in the front of the datafile that in place of a swan-neck mount between cockpits there is a telescoping pole mounted on the coaming, stabilised by four wires, but cannot distinguish the pilots windshield. This IS depicted in Ray Rimell's profile on the back cover. Can anyone with better eyesight, clearer repros of the photos, or an exceptionally long memory, confirm or deny the existence of the shield? Nearly done. Where is the ammunition box hidden? Finally, the elephant ear intakes in the kit have 2 internal fins. The photo on page 5 appears to show just one. Anyone know if this is a trick of the light? BTW, anyone who has also built 6341, can I please point out 2 things at odds in the kit - the colour scheme given does not mention the clear-doped areas on the wings and ailerons (unless I'm suffering brainfade again and missed it), and the prop was a 2 blader, not the 4 as supplied. Sorry for the long-winded questions, and apologies if the answers are obvious or clearly signposted on the WWI modelling page. I looked, but could not find.................. Thanks in advance. Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:27:48 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Bad modelling assumptions Message-ID: <00ad01c0ffbc$faaf4960$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil, Shane If I remember it correctly, the Pfalz D.III and D.IIIa control stick has a curved device on its base to regulate the inclination of the control stick and fit the pilot's preferences. Wich is a bad modelling assumption, and commonly seen on newbies in the field of WW1 modelling is that the weather the airplanes way too much, make bare metal "chippings" on fabric or wood covered areas, and paint exhaust stains behind the air intakes for rotary engines on the fuselages sides. I did them all! D. (who has done a bit of drawing with pfalzies lately) ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:04 AM Subject: RE: Bad modelling assumptions > Presumably it would vary a little, depending on how big > the pilot was, he would request his plane to be rigged > to suit him. > /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:31:39 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "ww1 list" Subject: more pfalz! Message-ID: <00b301c0ffbd$83f44720$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi List Yesterday I received my book on Pfalz by FMP with the excellent work of Herr Bob Pearson. What a neat book it is! Get yourself a copy if you still doesn't have it! Sell your sailboat! Cut the maintenance of your private jet! Skip an oil change of your Rolls Royce! Scrounge every bit of money to get this book. It's worth every rupee. D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:40:38 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Web site update Message-ID: <00e201c0ffbe$e97c9920$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Great work on those 2 Dennis. I can't believe that that neat Junkers was your first vacuform! Good work! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Ugulano To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:23 AM Subject: Web site update > Everyone, > > I've added two of my very early vacuforms to the the site. So > early in fact that # 1 vacuform is on line. They are the Pfalz D.III and > Junkers D.I, both by Warbirds. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm > Page Revised 6/28/01 > "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:51:58 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "ww1 list" Subject: OT Friends Message-ID: <00e501c0ffc0$5af84e40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Last night, I was watching TV on my girlfriends house, and I saw "Friends" wich is a TV show that I can live without but that is usually seen on her house. To my astonishment, one of the characters -Joey, the wannabe actor- gets hired to do a role on a WW1 movie! Of course the plot didn't involved nothing interesting about WW1, but the attitude of the people when he announces that he's going to work on a WW1 movie was quite alike those usually heard by this part of the world (and perhaps others): Joey announces "I'm gonna work on a WW1 flick" Rachel and Phoebe congratulate him and ask if he knows something about that war. He says something about "yeah, is when we fought the nazis and won" Rachel said "Joey, there was no nazis then!" Joey asks "So against who we fought?" And Rachel guesses "Mexico?" Joey goes away satisfied and Phoebe nods approving the bedazzled Rachel. Haven't you seen a scene like that in the real life? D. Ignorance sometimes is a blessing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:57:16 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Happy birthday Andrei! Message-ID: <00f101c0ffc1$18326220$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Today's there's party at the Koribanics Aerodrome! get in your triplanes and pups, and let's strafe his tents! Have a great day, buddy D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3482 **********************