WWI Digest 3474 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: VAMP Models by Craig Gavin 2) Re: A birthday dream by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 3) Re: Is there a list group meeting planned for Nats? by Morg17ms@aol.com 4) Re: Gavia's Bristol & Union Jacks by "Ray Boorman" 5) Re: Update on my Fokker D.VII by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 6) RE: Update on my Fokker D.VII by "Jay M. Thompson" 7) Re: Gavia's Bristol & Union Jacks by "Bob Pearson" 8) RE: VAMP Models by "Gaston Graf" 9) Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion by Andreikor@aol.com 10) Marc's Union Flag history by Andreikor@aol.com 11) RE: Gavia's Bristol & Union Jacks by Shane Weier 12) RE: The Union Flag by Shane Weier 13) Re: Is there a list group meeting planned for Nats? by Karen Rychlewski 14) Re: OT Battlefield Archeology sites by Karen Rychlewski 15) Re: Is there a list group meeting planned for Nats? by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 16) Re: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 17) RE: The Union Flag by geoff-smith@ntlworld.com 18) Re: A birthday dream by Witold Kozakiewicz 19) Re: Egermancy! Lost Halb/Roland URL by Witold Kozakiewicz 20) RE: He's back by "dfernet0" 21) Re: New Kit at Jadar by Witold Kozakiewicz 22) Spad 14 by Crawford Neil 23) Re: VAMP Models by "Fernando Cecilio" 24) RE: Spad 14 by "dfernet0" 25) 'Flag' vs. 'Jack' by "Mark Shannon" 26) RE: Spad 14 by Crawford Neil 27) Re: Is there a list group meeting planned for Nats? by "Michael Kendix" 28) Graphite (was Re: Update on my Fokker D.VII) by Matt Bittner 29) RE: Graphite (was Re: Update on my Fokker D.VII) by "dfernet0" 30) Re: Rhinebeck Get Together by Mark Miller ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:47:11 -0500 From: Craig Gavin To: Subject: Re: VAMP Models Message-ID: Todd - I get the same error message as you. - Craig Gavin + > From: Todd Hayes > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:31:35 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: VAMP Models > > Would someone please check the VAMP site for me? I > get a strange looking page that says there's an > 'external' problem. I'm wondering if it's my computer > or the VAMP's server. I'd be very obliged. The > address is w3.inshop.cz/vamp > > Todd > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:04:14 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: A birthday dream Message-ID: Hey Diego, sorry but I hit a stiff trade wind on the way down to your party and had to stop off on some Caribbean Island for some beach time. Thank goodness I had my Short 184. Anyway, Happy Birthday from Philadelphia, PA, USA. Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:29:48 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is there a list group meeting planned for Nats? Message-ID: <9e.165a0214.286969bc@aol.com> I'll be arriving Weds a.m. and departing Sunday. I'm splitting a room, reservation is under "Mike Olive" so leave me any messages at our room, re get togethers, etc. Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:28:28 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Gavia's Bristol & Union Jacks Message-ID: <3B380F6C.000001.24001@ray.bconnected.net> Not too many I would suspect nowadays Lance. Sheesh now I feel old. Anyway back when I was in primary school (grade school to North Americans). Once a year flag day was celebrated and we were instructed in how the union Jack is put together, basically one cross over another and over another. I say instructed because we had some old curmudgeon who had a bad habit of twisting your ear if you didn't pay attention. The flag is handed and if shown upside down it can also be detected if you look since each of the diaganol red crosses are handed for there section. Ie top is not the same as bottom. Oh and for any Napoleonic types, Union flags before 1805 look different, they're missing a cross. Ray -------Original Message------- From: Lance Krieg Date: Monday, June 25, 2001 03:21:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Gavia's Bristol & Union Jacks I'm confused by the idea of a "handed" Union flag. Michael explained the fact that there is both a red and white St. Andrew's cross, and these are different in relation to each other in each of the four cantons of the flag. I was told that this prevented the flag from being hoist upside-down; it's identical when viewed either way, so there IS no upside-down. It's a confusing flag, to be sure, because those crosses don't continue through the center as you would expect them to. I wonder how many people on the street in London could draw it correctly... but how is it handed? And is this handing incidental to the difficulty in remembering the proper way to paint the flag - like a mistake on some planes? Tell us more... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:32:39 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Update on my Fokker D.VII Message-ID: Just curious, why collect the graphite dust. Just lightly rub the led over the surface. It will accent the high spots and leave the dark spots as they were. Been doing it that way for years. John >Marcio, > >I always finish my machine guns by first painting them in gunmetal (a dark >gunmetal such as Testors or Flo-quil is best). When the gunmetal has dried >thoroughly, I rub a No.2 pencil tip across a piece of old sandpaper >until I have >a small pile of graphite dust. Then, using a soft bristle paint >brush, I brush >the graphite dust all over the machine guns. This highlights the >guns in such a >way as to make them look as if they were made of oiled thempered steel. Very >realistic. I do not overcoat the finished machine guns but mount them as soon >after finishing them as possible. Buena suerte amigo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:55:03 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Update on my Fokker D.VII Message-ID: For me, the hard point of the pencil gives less control and is hard to work down into some of the areas I want have covered. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of John Huggins Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 11:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Update on my Fokker D.VII Just curious, why collect the graphite dust. Just lightly rub the led over the surface. It will accent the high spots and leave the dark spots as they were. Been doing it that way for years. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:09:24 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Gavia's Bristol & Union Jacks Message-ID: <200106260419.f5Q4JfE93285@mail.rapidnet.net> Ray says ... > Oh and for any Napoleonic types, Union flags before 1805 look different, > they're missing a cross. Thought that was 1801. . when Ireland came into the union Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:26:59 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: VAMP Models Message-ID: Tood, no problem for me to load the page. Maybe the web was just laggy as you tried or the server was down for maintenance. best regards Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Todd > Hayes > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 5:32 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: VAMP Models > > > Would someone please check the VAMP site for me? I > get a strange looking page that says there's an > 'external' problem. I'm wondering if it's my computer > or the VAMP's server. I'd be very obliged. The > address is w3.inshop.cz/vamp > > Todd > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 02:20:10 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion Message-ID: Steve asked: Steve, It is my understanding that the use of ANY previously produced parts, modified or not, constitutes plagiarism/piracy/copyright infringement. We've all seen the Airfix 1/72 Lewis gun turn up in recently-produced resin kits. Is it a violation? Yes. Am I upset? No. 'nuff said. Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 01:59:57 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Marc's Union Flag history Message-ID: <8e.177b887d.28697edd@aol.com> Marc wrote: Marc, Many thanks for the informative discertation! Damn, you really can learn something here... one of the reasons I love this list and its contributors. Any chance you can shed some light on why the term 'Flag' is preffered to 'Jack'? Is 'Jack' a purely naval term perhaps? I remember when I questioned Leo Opdycke about the 'handed' versions, he told me 'Flag' was the correct term in this application. Thanks! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:49:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Gavia's Bristol & Union Jacks Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD17C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Bob says, > Ray says ... > > > Oh and for any Napoleonic types, Union flags before 1805 > look different, > > they're missing a cross. > > Thought that was 1801. . when Ireland came into the union > Correct. Ireland joined the Union on 1 January 1801 (Date was chosen as the first of the new century. Australia became a nation on 1 Jan 1901 because *that* was the first day of the new century. OTOH the new millenium was celebrated a year early, because the mass media couldn't wait ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:54:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: The Union Flag Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD17D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> I posted: > Look at: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb.html This is an interesting site about flags and the picture of the Union Flag is correct. However, I spent some time looking at it during lunch and can assure listees that there's a load of rubbish in it in places. FWIW Shane (OT example - a claim that the seventh point on the Australian flags Star of Federation was added on the inclusion of Papua and New Guinea in 1905 - which makes me wonder why we had to attack that innocent part of our own nation and evict the Germans in 1914) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 02:38:38 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is there a list group meeting planned for Nats? Message-ID: <3B382DED.6C151222@earthlink.net> I've been called lots of things, but never a dust ball... I'm still planning on taking anyone who wants to eat to a sensational pizza place Friday evening (Lance, it's big enough for all of us--might need a reservation if the group is more than 6 or 7). Since Rosemont Barry won't be there as Rosemont, I propose to use CSM Eric as a 'check-in' point: I will probably be the first one in the door on Wednesday since I'm leaving Wheeling this Friday for Chicago; I will leave a sign-up sheet with him. If you want to come along, leave your name and phone number and I'll check the sheet sporadically and get in touch with you. How many of us are going to the banquet? ...oh, and "taking" y'all to the pizza place means escorting, leading, interpreting--not buying 8=) Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 01:49:16 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT Battlefield Archeology sites Message-ID: <3B38225C.7637E409@earthlink.net> Myles, thanks for the heads-up on this site. It is truly fascinating. Scanning through the site, I happened across a link to the UNESCO World Heritage committee and the question "Shouldn't some part of the Western Front be a World Heritage site?" Darned good question, I thought! Even as we speak, the WH committee is meeting in Paris to discuss new sites. How can the ordinary person express a recommendation to this committee? Karen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 02:46:47 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is there a list group meeting planned for Nats? Message-ID: Dame Karen, Any thoughts about changing the dinner to Thursday night. Some of the list members may be judging on Friday and would miss out on the get together. John > I've been called lots of things, but never a dust ball... > >I'm still planning on taking anyone who wants to eat to a sensational pizza >place Friday evening (Lance, it's big enough for all of us--might need a >reservation if the group is more than 6 or 7). Since Rosemont Barry won't be >there as Rosemont, I propose to use CSM Eric as a 'check-in' point: I will >probably be the first one in the door on Wednesday since I'm leaving Wheeling >this Friday for Chicago; I will leave a sign-up sheet with him. If you want to >come along, leave your name and phone number and I'll check the sheet >sporadically and get in touch with you. > >How many of us are going to the banquet? > >..oh, and "taking" y'all to the pizza place means escorting, leading, >interpreting--not buying 8=) > >Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 04:02:39 EDT From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Steve's ethical/legal question... my opinion Message-ID: Perhaps as I've done a bit of mastering I should have my say here. For the kits I mastered I tried never yo use kit parts, but the temptation to use wheels or guns from elsewhere was just too great. Even so I bought Aeroclub guns engines and props to put out with my stuff rather than copy them. I'm sure that was ethical. A kit conversion part however is a kettle of a different colour. It makes sense to use parts from the intended kit. It ensures a good fit and helps with continuity of detail. As the kit manufacturer should get a sale for every conversion sold I don't think the ethics are a problem my twopennyworth Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:17:39 +0100 From: geoff-smith@ntlworld.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: The Union Flag Message-ID: <3B386F53.183.A50992@localhost> Just got round to catching up on the digests. > The hoist is to the left, fly to the right - this is the normal > depiction > when drawn,............................... > > Shane ALWAYS as in Blue field and white stars to the left for the Stars & Stripes. (Except when it's been painted wrong) Broad part of white diagonal Up on left, down on right. Broad stripe down on left is a distress signal. And the Union Jack (same flag) is only flown at the bow of a ship. Drives me nuts when even Brits can't be bothered to get it right. Regards, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:21:46 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: A birthday dream Message-ID: <3B38623A.4F0FCA0@bg.am.lodz.pl> dfernet0 napisa³(a): > > June 25th. Just before dawn. Our LVG C.V named "WANDA" has lost wings while we were going to your party. It had to be our gift for you - Tomasz is still looking for them somewhere over Italian front, I hope he would find the way home. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:23:15 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Egermancy! Lost Halb/Roland URL Message-ID: <3B386293.B8B983DD@bg.am.lodz.pl> Fernando Cecilio napisa³(a): > > Sorry everybody: > One klick too many and there goes the URL for the > wonderfull Krakow photos. > Can somebody shoot it back to me, pleeeease... > http://www.tmg.obywatel.pl/references.htm HTH. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:37:15 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: He's back Message-ID: <032001c0fe2b$f76ae300$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Welcome back, Gabriel! We that won't be able to travel to Sand Diego would be very interested on seeing your pictures! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Limon3 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 5:35 PM Subject: He's back > Hello all, just got back from the real S.W. (San Diego). I have some photos > from the Aerospace Museum. Any listees going the the OTF in September will > find a very nice collection of OT as well as ot items there. I have a > week's worth of stuff to catch up on. > Gabe > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:52:57 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Kit at Jadar Message-ID: <3B386989.EE0C36C6@bg.am.lodz.pl> Matt Bittner napisa³(a): > > Thought I would jump in before Witold. :-) :-))) > Jadar has on their site the new Airmo Albatros C.V in 1/72nd (however, > they don't give the year built). I saw this kit few weeks ago when Part was working od PE set for it. So if Jadar officilay announced it i can write some words. Resin kit, some bubles needing sandind and filling but nice kit. not as good as Ardpol (leader IMO). All interior is PE set, decals - only crosses on white squares. But nice kit and some day i will build it. details on http://www.jadar.com.pl/group/html/airmo/modele/72001/72001-p.htm I suggest replace wing struts, little work on propelor and some other resin details and this should give very nice model I have also seen the next kit they are working on. It will be Albatros C.XV. Resn is better but pe set would be smaller (lack of references) BTW I have asked some time ago for interior pictures of this plane but maybe someone has find something new? it is C.V/16 Matt - I sent you this kit yesterday. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:49:42 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "WW1 List (E-mail)" Subject: Spad 14 Message-ID: The Spad 14 is a fine looking floatplane version of the cannon armed Spad 12. Apart from the floats the big difference is two-bay wings. They were used by the Aeronavale (is that what they were called in WW1?) in late 1918, based at Dunkirk. I have been comparing the drawings in the FMP french book with the ones (from -96) in the Ardhan book about French Naval aviation durring the Great war. It is obvious that the FMP drawing is for the prototype, the Ardhan drawings has much longer and more shapely floats which look right for production a/c. It's difficult to say which drawings are most correct, the fuselage is virtually identical with Colin Owens Spad 12 drawings on both drawings, the difference is in the wing, and seeing as I can't find a photo that confirms either version, I'd be inclined to go for the Ardhan drawing because it's newer, it's french, and they got the floats right. I have been toying with the idea of converting my Spad 12 project into a 14, but I can't find a Spad wing big enough , the wing on the 14 is similar in shape to the Spad 61 and 81, which I have kits for, but it's bigger than both, it's about 2cm longer (in 1/72) than a Revell 13 wing. Anybody got a bright idea of a good replacement wing, without scratchbuilding, I don't want to start another major project, I'm still building a Fox-Moth. /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:06:40 +0100 From: "Fernando Cecilio" To: Subject: Re: VAMP Models Message-ID: <004101c0fe38$796d3e00$d8bc41c2@fernando> Hi! I had the same problem. Try shortenning the url to the first slash after cz. It worked for me. Fernando ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Gavin To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 5:09 AM Subject: Re: VAMP Models > Todd - I get the same error message as you. - Craig Gavin + > > > From: Todd Hayes > > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:31:35 -0400 (EDT) > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: VAMP Models > > > > Would someone please check the VAMP site for me? I > > get a strange looking page that says there's an > > 'external' problem. I'm wondering if it's my computer > > or the VAMP's server. I'd be very obliged. The > > address is w3.inshop.cz/vamp > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:17:01 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Spad 14 Message-ID: <038c01c0fe39$e7beb540$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> What about modyfying a RE8 wing, Neil? Of course you'll need to add a lot of ribs in Spad fashion D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 8:54 AM Subject: Spad 14 > The Spad 14 is a fine looking floatplane version of the cannon armed > Spad 12. Apart from the floats the big difference is two-bay wings. > They were used by the Aeronavale (is that what they were called in WW1?) > in late 1918, based at Dunkirk. I have been comparing the drawings in the > FMP french book with the ones (from -96) in the Ardhan book about > French Naval aviation durring the Great war. It is obvious that the FMP drawing > is for the prototype, the Ardhan drawings has much longer and more shapely > floats which look right for production a/c. It's difficult to say which drawings are > most correct, the fuselage is virtually identical with Colin Owens Spad 12 drawings > on both drawings, the difference is in the wing, and seeing as I can't find a photo > that confirms either version, I'd be inclined to go for the Ardhan drawing because > it's newer, it's french, and they got the floats right. I have been toying with the idea > of converting my Spad 12 project into a 14, but I can't find a Spad wing big enough > , the wing on the 14 is similar in shape to the Spad 61 and 81, which I have kits for, > but it's bigger than both, it's about 2cm longer (in 1/72) than a Revell 13 wing. > Anybody got a bright idea of a good replacement wing, without scratchbuilding, > I don't want to start another major project, I'm still building a Fox-Moth. > /Neil > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:14:56 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: 'Flag' vs. 'Jack' Message-ID: Ahoy, to answer the question about whether it was correct to call it Union Flag or Union Jack, it goes back to a little naval terminology. The bow flagstaff on a ship is the 'Jackstaff,' though I don't know where the term originated. Properly, the flag is only the 'Union Jack' when it is flown from that staff, and it is usually only flown from that staff when it is flying from all staffs and masts - that is, a Jubilee display, Fleet Review, or in the old wooden walls days, in a major fight to the finish. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:20:48 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Spad 14 Message-ID: I'll have a look at that Diego. I have a RE8 that I'm saving up for when I'm a pensioner. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 26 juni 2001 14:17 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Spad 14 > > > What about modyfying a RE8 wing, Neil? Of course you'll need > to add a lot of > ribs in Spad fashion > D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:24:38 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is there a list group meeting planned for Nats? Message-ID: John: I don't understand. I understood that the competition did not take place until Saturday. What contest will or might you be judging? Michael >From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Is there a list group meeting planned for Nats? >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 03:53:48 -0400 (EDT) > >Dame Karen, >Any thoughts about changing the dinner to Thursday night. Some of >the list members may be judging on Friday and would miss out on the >get together. >John > > > I've been called lots of things, but never a dust ball... > > > >I'm still planning on taking anyone who wants to eat to a sensational >pizza > >place Friday evening (Lance, it's big enough for all of us--might need a > >reservation if the group is more than 6 or 7). Since Rosemont Barry won't >be > >there as Rosemont, I propose to use CSM Eric as a 'check-in' point: I >will > >probably be the first one in the door on Wednesday since I'm leaving >Wheeling > >this Friday for Chicago; I will leave a sign-up sheet with him. If you >want to > >come along, leave your name and phone number and I'll check the sheet > >sporadically and get in touch with you. > > > >How many of us are going to the banquet? > > > >..oh, and "taking" y'all to the pizza place means escorting, leading, > >interpreting--not buying 8=) > > > >Dame Karen > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 05:37:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Graphite (was Re: Update on my Fokker D.VII) Message-ID: <20010626123700.27724.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> --- Michael and Sharon Alvarado wrote: > I always finish my machine guns by first painting them in > gunmetal (a dark > gunmetal such as Testors or Flo-quil is best). When the > gunmetal has dried > thoroughly, I rub a No.2 pencil tip across a piece of old > sandpaper until I have > a small pile of graphite dust. Then, using a soft bristle > paint brush, I brush > the graphite dust all over the machine guns. This highlights > the guns in such a > way as to make them look as if they were made of oiled > thempered steel. Very > realistic. I do not overcoat the finished machine guns but > mount them as soon > after finishing them as possible. Buena suerte amigo. Just wanted to let people know what I discovered at the local Hobby Lobby (a "craft store" chain). A package that contained five different grades of graphite sticks, like you would find pastel chalk. I'm pretty sure a "regular" pencil is H2, and these graphite sticks range in values - and coloring. Pretty cool. Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:50:45 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Graphite (was Re: Update on my Fokker D.VII) Message-ID: <03ba01c0fe3e$9dd23380$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt wrote: > I'm pretty sure a "regular" pencil is H2, and > these graphite sticks range in values - and coloring. Pretty > cool. > Pencil leads are graded, depending on the carbon/graphite proportions. More "H"s means more hardness (more carbon), more "B"s means more softness or to be precise more graphite (the metallic/greasy looking thing) from hard to soft, the commonest leads are: 6H 4H 2H HB (this is the regular writing pencil, the Johann Faber nº2 pencil) B 2B 4B 6B BB As the B grows, the diameter of the leads are bigger. The Hs are used in technical drawings (before all these computers took over) and the Bs are usually for artistic drawings. HTH D. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jun 2001 06:01:49 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rhinebeck Get Together Message-ID: <20010626130149.4460.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Mon, 25 June 2001, Andreikor@aol.com wrote: > The airshow was terrific... my son Andrei and I did take that flight in the > 1929 Standard (our third, actually!) and the highlight of the day was... get > this... my son frantically tapping me on the shoulder as we flew across the > Hudson River to draw my attention to... the Spad VII on our six! It came > right up along side us about 50 ft. away. Man, it was a thrill seeing that > plane 'air-to-air'! > > All in all a lovely day... don't mean to rub it in, but those who cancelled > last minute missed a great time! I'm going to plan on making it there again > on September 30th! You guys should plan on it too! > > Cheers, > Andrei Hey guys I was there - but couldn't figure out where everybody was we arrived a little late, so I wasn't sure where to look your right the day wasn't exactly perfect - but it was good enough in fact I've been there on bright sunny days and sitting on those planks with the afternoon sun beating down can be uncomfortable - best part for me - watching my youngest get sucked in by the "flying farmer" routine :-) My oldest son and I went up in the standard at 1:00 always a great ride, and I got some OK background shots for future renderings a little dark and brooding though, could have used more sun for photography also picked up a couple fairly recent issues of WW1 Aero in the bookstore One of these days I'm going to have to try and get all the back issues. Mark Miller Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3474 **********************