WWI Digest 3469 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Is the list quiet or am I unsubbed again? by ibs4421@commandnet.net 2) Re: Is the list quiet or am I unsubbed again? by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Re: Then there was one..... by ibs4421@commandnet.net 4) Re: Is the list quiet or am I unsubbed again? by "Tom Sollers" 5) Re: Is the list quiet or am I unsubbed again? by "Matt Bittner" 6) Old Rhinebeck Get Together by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 7) Re: Is the list quiet or am I unsubbed again? by Dennis Ugulano 8) Re: Is the list quiet or am I unsubbed again/nope by Dennis Ugulano 9) Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 10) Re: Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? by "Tom Plesha" 11) e-bay bidding by "Tom Plesha" 12) Re: Who knows Zeppelins? by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: e-bay bidding by "Tom Solinski" 14) Re: Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? by KarrArt@aol.com 15) RE: Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? by Shane Weier 16) RE: Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? by "Jay M. Thompson" 17) RE: e-bay bidding by "Jay M. Thompson" 18) RE: Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? by "Jay M. Thompson" 19) R: More got my Bebe by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 20) Starting all over again! by =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= 21) Re: Then there was one.....and Portuguese over there by =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= 22) cutting PE was Re: Starting all over again! by "Steven Perry" 23) Re: Then there was one.....and Portuguese over there by "Steven Perry" 24) Re: Then there was one.....and Portuguese over there by =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= 25) RE: Then there was one.....and Portuguese over there by Crawford Neil 26) A birthday dream by "dfernet0" 27) RE: Welcome Warren by "dfernet0" 28) RE: Travel all over the countryside by Crawford Neil 29) RE: A birthday dream by Crawford Neil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:11:57 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: Is the list quiet or am I unsubbed again? Message-ID: <001101c0fd13$d5413400$373dfad1@esther> All Righty Then! Since the list is dead air, here goes: First, ot business: Don't know about ya'll, but we had a beautiful weekend up here in Kentucky. Spent yesterday out in the woods with friends, watching them shoot flintlocks, teaching my son to make fire with flint and steel, and dining yesterday afternoon on wild boar which had been on the smoker since Friday. Yum. OT business: I was wondering who was making those 1/72nd figures now. I went through two sets of the Germans, and one set of the French. I got my first set in an MPC "Frank Luke: Ballon Buster" kit. It came with a SPAD VII, a set of the Airfix German infantry, and a vacuform base with a "downed" obs. balloon on it. I want to say they had other kits in this series, but I'm not sure if any were WWI or not. Anybody remember those kits? I think I bought mine in '71 or '72. I liked posing the two "surrendering" Germans in front of my Revell 1/72nd Dr. I as if he were about to turn the prop. Anybody else do this as a kid? My next experience project with these was with the sheet of plywood my HO scale railroad was mounted on. I ripped up the railroad, put down screen wire, worked in trenches, covered it with celluclay, painted it shades of brown, and VIOLA! a place to play with my Airfix WWI figures. Was I a wierd kid or what? Maybe I ought to get a few sets for my son? Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:26:37 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Is the list quiet or am I unsubbed again? Message-ID: <002f01c0fd16$0640ed00$14101a3f@oemcomputer> Nice and quiet. Sunday quiet. BTW, there appears to be an upcoming special on American PBS called 'Chasing the Sun' about 100 years of flight and some of the folks who got it going - likely to be some OT material in there I should think. Other than that, I have been remembering John Lee Hooker and Carroll O'Connor. We just seem to keep losing the great ones... DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:36:47 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: Then there was one..... Message-ID: <003a01c0fd17$4d4f6d60$373dfad1@esther> - it's a source of some pride > to have earned and worn a near identical uniform - and now they're amost all > gone. > > Shane Shane, The same pride I felt, I am sure, when I earned the right to be a part of the 167th Inf. (Mech.) aka the "4th Alabama" of the old Rainbow Division. My uncle was KIA while serving with them in the PTO during WWII just north of your neck of the woods off the coast of New Guinea. Aside from that, I was very proud of their WWI battle honors, one of which is for the Croix Rouge Farm. They took 70% casualties in over-running, and wiping out, IIRC, 35 German MG's. Roy Ettinger, in his memiors of the "Fighting 69th" recalled walking over the ground after the action and he said all of the Germans he saw were dead of bayonet wounds. Sorry for the ot post folks. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:38:05 -0400 From: "Tom Sollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is the list quiet or am I unsubbed again? Message-ID: <200106250138.f5P1c4r04339@mail.bcpl.net> Warren: There must be a sort of collective experience with the members of this group, that has brought us all here. Yes, I too built a trench system and used Airfix figures to create the carnage of WWI (inspired by an article in Scale Modeler). And, I dismembered and grafted many an Airfix figure as willing donors to complete my airfield (in my case the surrendering Germans were pushing a DR.I). I just wish I had all the time I had as a kid to build now. I use to spend the entire summer vacation building kits! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:45:57 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Is the list quiet or am I unsubbed again? Message-ID: <200106250143.SAA18752@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> A tad quiet. Still chugging away on the off topic clanker. Man, talk about fiddly p/e bits! Sure wish I didn't have as many review models to finish as I do...... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:47:32 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Old Rhinebeck Get Together Message-ID: Hi Folks, Just got back a little while ago from Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome...What a day!!! Weather was absolutely perfect for the show. A little cloudy, but that only made it easier to see the planes!! Myself, my wife Mary, Mike, Sharon, and Jenna Alvarado, Andrei Koribanics and his family, and Dave Calhoun and his friend, Bill(sans wives!!) all got together. Didn't find any other listees, but we all enjoyed the airshow, meeting one another for the first time as well as the "shop talk". We got to see the Spad VII, Nieuport 11, Avro 504, the usual dogfighters, Sopwith Camel and DRI, and the real star, the Fokker D-VII. The other drooler was the 90% original Curtiss Jenny!! What a pretty plane in flight...I tried my "new" old camera for the first time today, so if anythying decent came out, I'll send some to the site. As always the museum hangars were a real kick...The gift shop also yielded a few goodies: DML DRI, Glencoe D-III(Oeffag), and "The Red Baron" Video.... Andrei and his son Andrei were taking a biplane ride after the show!!! This is a lot of fun if you are ever there...It was a really good time. Planning another trip to Rhinebeck September 30 for the Golden Age Biplane Fly-In. Let me know if there is any interest in another get toghether. I really enjoyed meeting everyone for the first time and look forward to getting together again!! Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:52:13 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Is the list quiet or am I unsubbed again? Message-ID: <200106242152_MC3-D6E0-6612@compuserve.com> Warren, >> Was I a wierd kid or what? << You sound pretty normal for this group. :-) My reference material list "Ballon Buster" and "Red Baron Dogfight". There could be others but that's all that's listed under WW1. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 6/04/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:52:14 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Is the list quiet or am I unsubbed again/nope Message-ID: <200106242152_MC3-D6E0-6613@compuserve.com> Tom, >> I hope you feel better and perk up soon. Looking foreward to see your new models. << I am feeling better and the Nieuport is progressing rapidly. Surprise, huh? :-) When I build, the computer takes a distant second. But I do have to get these models ready for the computer. so back to the models for a little while and then to the computer. What do you have going together at the moment? Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 6/04/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:06:37 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? Message-ID: <3B369CAD.BBC0E6C3@tac.com.au> Hi guys Well I'm kinda glad the list is quiet .. it hasn't been quiet here ... the air has been "blue" as I go about resetting the limb on a figure . This, mind you after it's nearly finished. Why is it that the closer you get to finishing a model the more things go wrong? The only thing that hasn't happened yet is something falling on it shit what was that I just heard?? Lorna rushing madly awa..... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:27:09 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? Message-ID: <000901c0fd1e$55d45980$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Lorna- When nearing completion of a model, I beleive that "Tom's Law" comes into play. Tom's Law states: Murphey's Law is Optomistic! Later Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane & Lorna Jenkins" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? > Hi guys > > Well I'm kinda glad the list is quiet .. it hasn't been quiet here ... > the air has been "blue" as I go about resetting the limb on a figure . > This, mind you after it's nearly finished. > > Why is it that the closer you get to finishing a model the more things > go wrong? The only thing that hasn't happened yet is something falling > on it > > shit what was that I just heard?? > > Lorna > rushing madly awa..... > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:45:59 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: e-bay bidding Message-ID: <000901c0fd20$f78d7e80$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Everyone- Even though I have bid a bit on e-bay, won/lost bids, maybe someone could answer a question for me. Tonight I was bidding on an Imrie book, German Aircraft WWI. For 2 hours there were no other bids. In the last 10 seconds a bid was made that was $20.00 and an un-even number of cents to outbid me by the increment amount. My question, this has happened before, since it is physically impossible to make the appropiate number of bids within this time frame of seconds, does anyone know how is it done? TIA Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:54:15 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Who knows Zeppelins? Message-ID: <34.16eedd56.286801d7@aol.com> In a message dated 6/24/01 9:56:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, iiv000@mail.connect.more.net writes: << Great book source for German zepplin is by Douglas Robinson ZEPPELIN IN COMBAT - A History of the German Naval Airship Division, 1912-1918. Here a short overview: >> Here's an even shorter overview......GET IT if you have any interest in German WW I LTA stuff! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:10:17 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: e-bay bidding Message-ID: <005801c0fd24$5c65cf80$a6a20d41@Solinski.okcnc1.ok.home.com> Tom I've heard that there are programs that will automatically bid with minimum time remaining. I've lost stuff this way too Better luck next time' TomS ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Plesha To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 9:51 PM Subject: e-bay bidding > Hi Everyone- > Even though I have bid a bit on e-bay, won/lost bids, maybe someone could > answer a question for me. > Tonight I was bidding on an Imrie book, German Aircraft WWI. For 2 hours > there were no other bids. In the last 10 seconds a bid was made that was > $20.00 and an un-even number of cents to outbid me by the increment amount. > My question, this has happened before, since it is physically impossible to > make the appropiate number of bids within this time frame of seconds, does > anyone know how is it done? > TIA > Tom > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:30:01 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? Message-ID: <38.180085e2.28680a39@aol.com> In a message dated 6/24/01 7:16:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sljenkins@tac.com.au writes: << Well I'm kinda glad the list is quiet .. it hasn't been quiet here ... the air has been "blue" as I go about resetting the limb on a figure . This, mind you after it's nearly finished. Why is it that the closer you get to finishing a model the more things go wrong? The only thing that hasn't happened yet is something falling on it >> Well....let's see- in the last week I've been stung on the right middle finger by a vicious bee from hell (thank God I'm left handed).....cut my foot on my work chair, doing nothing but sitting before my easel, and bled all over the floor...........picked up a nice colorful selection of mosquito bites.........and after slaving away all week on a neat on-topic piece of subject matter, I managed to spill a big runny glob of sealer on the painting- the very stuff that would've signified a COMPLETED project.....this explains the beer tonight. RK (frothing in Southern California) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:45:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD164@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> RK says: >.this explains the beer tonight. > RK (frothing in Southern California) A perfect example of why Australians and the US type of North Americans will never be in danger of being mistaken for one another. No Australian needs to explain beer..... Shane (Todays Statistic - Australians drink 21 litres of red wine per head per annum - which means that at least 10 of them aren't pulling their weight ;-) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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Message-ID: Well....let's see- in the last week I've been stung on the right middle finger by a vicious bee from hell (thank God I'm left handed).....cut my foot on my work chair, doing nothing but sitting before my easel, and bled all over the floor...........picked up a nice colorful selection of mosquito bites.........and after slaving away all week on a neat on-topic piece of subject matter, I managed to spill a big runny glob of sealer on the painting- the very stuff that would've signified a COMPLETED project.....this explains the beer tonight. ------------------ Ouch! That is a Bad Weekend. I managed not to bleed all over everything, but I installed Lightwave 6.5, which has a hardware lock, and somehow in the process the hardware lock for 3D Studio (my main work software) got fried. I can't do a thing until Autodesk's fine Hardware Lock Replacement Department (3 calls on Friday resulted in nothing more than an answering machine) gets around to sending me a new one. Sigh. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:17:52 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: e-bay bidding Message-ID: > Hi Everyone- > Even though I have bid a bit on e-bay, won/lost bids, maybe someone could > answer a question for me. > Tonight I was bidding on an Imrie book, German Aircraft WWI. For 2 hours > there were no other bids. In the last 10 seconds a bid was made that was > $20.00 and an un-even number of cents to outbid me by the increment amount. > My question, this has happened before, since it is physically impossible It's called "sniping" and it's the standard close to just about any auction on Ebay. Whether done manually or with a program (there's several you can buy), it's a pain. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:28:41 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? Message-ID: I once spent four months building a 1/32nd FW-190A-8 for a friend's retirement party, which had to be shipped to California. I finished it, as good a job as I've ever done, even as it came down to the wire. I built this super shipping container, where the plane was braced up, held by rubber bands across the wings and fuselage. After testing the final fit in the container, knowing it had to be shipped that day to make it on time, I looked the plane over one last time, picked it up to put it in, stumbled, and dropped it...snapping off all of the landing gear, the prop, and the radio mast. I can only pray there were no children within a half mile or so to hear what I said over the next couple of minutes... -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Shane & Lorna Jenkins Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 9:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Modelling frustrations was Is the list quiet? Hi guys Well I'm kinda glad the list is quiet .. it hasn't been quiet here ... the air has been "blue" as I go about resetting the limb on a figure . This, mind you after it's nearly finished. Why is it that the closer you get to finishing a model the more things go wrong? The only thing that hasn't happened yet is something falling on it ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:28:04 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: More got my Bebe Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906EFF7@SERVER1> Thanks for the advice, Mack. I already got that sheet a few years ago and it is nicely done, although there are some inaccuracies in the instruction sheet and in the sheet itself. Anyone contemplating the use of this sheet, please feel free to ask about the chosen subject ! All the very best, Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Muth and Zulick [SMTP:artzulick@ptd.net] Inviato: venerdi 22 giugno 2001 22.45 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: Re: More got my Bebe Alberto You probably already know this, but there is a nice sheet of Italian markings for a bunch of Nieuports and SPADs put out by Blue Rider. Barry at Rosemont had some awhile back. Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday,June 22,2001 2:50 AM Subject: R: More got my Bebe > As for decals: do they include any Italian subject ? > > Thanks ! > > Alberto Casirati > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Tom Sollers [SMTP:tsollers@bcpl.net] > Inviato: giovedi 21 giugno 2001 20.23 > A: Multiple recipients of list > Oggetto: More got my Bebe > > Outlines compared to plans look bang on. Only area in question may be the > length of the landing gear. But that variance is minor. > > Kit also includes a separate head rest. I'll have to check how significant > the engine differences were, but it looks like you could make an 11 or 16 > from this kit. The engine manifolds are particularly well done on the kit. > They have the correct "flattened with a twist" look to them. Pretty decent > Lewis gun. > > Only addition I can see, would be a PE seat with perforations, as the kit's > is solid. > > Decals look good and are in perfect register. They include airframe > stenciling and strips for the strut wrappings and fuselage lacing. > > Tom > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:53:55 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Starting all over again! Message-ID: <20010625085355.91301.qmail@web3208.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everybody! This is it: after who knows how long (but over 12 years), I am starting a new kit. It's an Eduard Fokker EV (1/72), curtesy Messrs. Hannants (slow but deadly...), and I'll tell you progress is something! I had already heard about etchings (never used them though), but to get them in the box, just like that... It looks to be an excellent little piece, but I decided to turn to you all to look for opinions! Any advice on building this one? Any pitfalls lurking? What do you use to cut the etched parts of the carrier? One other thing: is there a good reference for detailling the engine in my Eduard (1/48) Pfalz DIIIa? Thanks everybody! I'll keep you posted. Fernando ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:02:25 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Then there was one.....and Portuguese over there Message-ID: <20010625090225.91774.qmail@web3208.mail.yahoo.com> People: I've been following this sad line and wondered if somebody has references to the Portuguese participation. I know Sir Charles Oman (probably as close to a Portugal lover as you can get) once qualified the portuguese troops as the very worst that took part, but we did have a very few airmen serving in French squadrons (who did manage to get themselves killed in pretty short order). There are a very few things here (mostly street names) but I think other listees may have run across something... TIA Fernando ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 05:27:14 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: cutting PE was Re: Starting all over again! Message-ID: <000501c0fd59$056e3840$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > What do you use to cut the etched parts of the > carrier? Fernando: PE parts have a tendency to go "twink" and disappear when cut from the fret. To avoid this, I do the following. On the last or only cut, I hold the X-acto knife like a pencil in the right hand and then pin the main fret down with ny left thumb. I position the knife blade exactly, then cover the part about to be freed with my left forfinger. This keeps the part from launching into hyperspace. I cut on a hard, flat surface covered with a sheet or two of typing paper so there is a little give under the part. Cut the tab joining the part to the fret as close as possible to the part. If you get a little bit of the brass attachment left on the part, clamp the part in the jaws of some squared off needle nose pliers with just the offending burr protruding and kiss it gently with a small file. They don't call them fiddly bits for nothing, The squared off needle bose pliers are also great for clamping a piece for bending. Used like a mini sheet metal brake to achieve a straight bend. > > One other thing: is there a good reference for > detailling the engine in my Eduard (1/48) Pfalz DIIIa? I think there are some links to photos of Mercedes engines listed on the List web site. The Janes book also has lots of engine photos. hth sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 05:43:31 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Then there was one.....and Portuguese over there Message-ID: <001001c0fd5b$4bbe7c40$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > People: > I've been following this sad line and wondered if > somebody has references to the Portuguese > participation. Well I read an account, and I forget who wrote it, (A.G Lee or Joe Boudwin perhaps), of flying over the Portugeese section of the lines and seeing several women around dugouts or huts hanging or washing laundry. This was on an inactive portion of the line. While not known for offensive zeal, it seems they had adapted to trench life in a practical manner. Still it took a great deal of courage to occupy any portion of the line, active or inactive. Especially so in small numbers and under the command of "Allied" generals rather than one's own. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:05:54 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Then there was one.....and Portuguese over there Message-ID: <20010625100554.19820.qmail@web3205.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Steve! I didn't know this one but it does sound credible and very portuguese. For some reason Portuguese always seem to enjoy the company of women... You should hear some stories about the Portuguese colonial wars! Have you ever heard about a Portuguese pilot (Oscar Monteiro Torres) in a French Spad VII escadrille? Fernando --- Steven Perry wrote: > > People: > > I've been following this sad line and wondered if > > somebody has references to the Portuguese > > participation. > > Well I read an account, and I forget who wrote it, > (A.G Lee or Joe Boudwin > perhaps), of flying over the Portugeese section of > the lines and seeing > several women around dugouts or huts hanging or > washing laundry. This was on > an inactive portion of the line. While not known for > offensive zeal, it > seems they had adapted to trench life in a practical > manner. > > Still it took a great deal of courage to occupy any > portion of the line, > active or inactive. Especially so in small numbers > and under the command of > "Allied" generals rather than one's own. > > sp > ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:27:28 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Then there was one.....and Portuguese over there Message-ID: I think he was mentioned in the Windsock articles about the French foreign legion in the air. Also another famous Portugese pilot was Lela Portela (sp?), he flew a very nice looking Spad 7, and then after the war did some good long distance flights. There was an article about him in Avions a couple of months ago. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Fernando Cecilio [mailto:f_cec@yahoo.com] > Sent: den 25 juni 2001 12:13 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Then there was one.....and Portuguese over there > > > Thanks Steve! > > I didn't know this one but it does sound credible and > very portuguese. > For some reason Portuguese always seem to enjoy the > company of women... > You should hear some stories about the Portuguese > colonial wars! > > Have you ever heard about a Portuguese pilot (Oscar > Monteiro Torres) in a French Spad VII escadrille? > > Fernando > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:46:03 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "ww1 list" Cc: "James Landon" Subject: A birthday dream Message-ID: <014b01c0fd6c$69ab4060$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> June 25th. Just before dawn. It's not freezing winter here, but the gentle warmth of Flanders summer morning. I awake in my small tent and wear the only clothes around, a black tunic and red breeches. As I'm about to leave the tent, I notice in my metal mirror that a small dapper moustache has grown under my nose. I would be easily mistaken by Guynemer if I put my flying helmet and goggles on. As the sky clears, I see Lee Mensinger making his weather report out in the cool breeze that sweeps the aerodrome. He winks at me and mumbles "It'll be a nice day today". Just as the sun starts to rise, a humming sound can be heard in the distance: A Spad approachs for landing. However, its nose has a strange shape and the engine noise is subdued.... It's Neil Crawford! He steps down and show me how he put a Volvo engine inside his plane. Another planes are coming: Bob Pearson on a Sopwith Dolphin, flying with short pants, Volker and Hans circle overhead on black crossed airplanes, Mike Fletcher, Matt Bittner and Alberto Casirati are landing on their tiny Nieuports. Sandy Adam, Len Smith, Scho, Peter Leonard, Steve Cox and Dave Fleming are landing in perfect formation. A small supply train arrives to a nearby station driven by Gaston, carrying plenty of french wines (guarded by Shane the Elder under a big slouch hat) a big cake and a few live artillery shells. Robert Karr arrives on a BE2c with Mellie Besse (for whose nudie act he payed a duffel bag full of golden Reichmarks). A captured Mercedes staff car rumbles trhu the wet grass driven by Dave Fletcher. A pristine Salmson 2A2 lumbers over the airfield piloted by Jim Landon. Dennis Ugulano and Richard Eaton are commanding big squadrons of airplanes. The sky almost darkens by the gaudily decorated planes flying over the airfield and the wires sing and the engines roar, but somehow, there's no thundering from the trench lines today. Marcio, Fernando and Pedro Soares are walking by wearing strange fluted helmets. An naval plane arrives with Shane and Lorna, who wears the latest fashion in flying attire: black leather coveralls and matching whip. Andrei Koribanics zooms over on a LVG. Brent Theobald rolls, rolls, Roll's.... Even certain TC abandons his sniper rifle for a while and comes by, peacefully. The party starts with a conference by St. Harry himself on scratchbuilt modelling. Chris Gannon send gift kits for all in 1/72 and 1/48 and Ray Rimell announces that all Datafiles backnumbers will have a 80% discount for all list members. Eric Hight and John Cyg are talking about making a series of R-planes in 1/48 on a joint venture. Sharon conducts a service in memory to those departed. Later, a brawl starts over 1/72 and 1/48 modelers as the wine starts to flow, but Allan Wright and Brad Gossen restore the peace with some hits and kicks on the slightly intoxicated participants. Commander Steve Perry mixs his special brew with cherry port, PC10 and mek and everybody sings happily Garuda Sister's songs. As dusk starts, the planes begin to take off, fluttering their wings in the red sunlight. Nice party, huh? D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:48:15 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Welcome Warren Message-ID: <01e501c0fd6c$b889ae60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Warren! Welcome from frozen Argentina D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:53:20 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Travel all over the countryside Message-ID: The RAF museum at Hendon is a must, and you can visit Hannants London fillial at the same time. My second priority (if not my first) would be the Science Museum in South Kensington. This is a very large museum with about 5 floors, the top floor is aircraft, the problem is getting there. It's a long time since I went but as I remember I first got stuck with all the cars on the ground floor, then I was fascinated by the display of clocks and watches on the next floor, then by a most wonderful collection of ship models covering most of a floor. These ship models are mentioned as an inspiration by Harry Woodman, especially when it comes to weathering, this is where it all started. And the next floor is where "the list" started, the computer dept completely stunned me, they have Charles Babbages "computer", the one Ada Lovelace programmed, and rooms full of the wartime computers, absouluteley amazing stuff. If you survive all this and still have some time left there is the jewel in the crown on the top floor, the aviation dept, I can't remember all they had, but cerainly a Vimy, Amy Johnsons DH Moth "Jason", and the Schneider Trophy winning Supermarine S6B, and lot's of other trivialities like Me163's and suchlike. I really must go again my memory needs a major refresh. /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:01:52 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: A birthday dream Message-ID: Have we mentioned before that you're mad Diego! So this is why you've been so quiet, dreaming all this up:-) /Neil ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3469 **********************