WWI Digest 3467 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Who knows Zepplins? by Marc Flake 2) Re: Hi Warren by Karen Rychlewski 3) RE: Then there was one..... by Shane Weier 4) RE: Hello Everybody by Shane Weier 5) Re: Who knows Zepplins? by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 6) Re: Then there was one..... by "Lee M." 7) Re: Hello Everybody by "Tom Sollers" 8) Re: Hello Everybody by Scottfking@aol.com 9) Testor Zeppelin and paper marine Luftschiffe was:Re: Who knows Zepplins? by "Hans Trauner" 10) Recon Photos was:Re: Dispatch from the AEG wars by "Steven Perry" 11) Re: Recon Photos was:Re: Dispatch from the AEG wars by "Tom Plesha" 12) Re: Testor Zeppelin and paper marine Luftschiffe was:Re: Who knows Zepplins? by "David C. Fletcher" 13) Welcome Warren by Andreikor@aol.com 14) Great War Militaria by Andreikor@aol.com 15) Re: Hi Warren by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: Zeppelins and Megatech by KarrArt@aol.com 17) Re: Travel all over the countryside by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: Site is moved by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Re: Travel all over the countryside by "Michael Kendix" 20) Nie 23 by "Liefferinckx Frederic" 21) Bre.14 (was Re: Nie 23) by "Matt Bittner" 22) Re creation of the Fokker Flugzeugwerke, G.b.m.H. by Todd Hayes 23) Re: Hello everybody by "Neil Crawford" 24) Eduard Nieuport 11 and Gavia Bristol Scout C by Michael and Sharon Alvarado 25) Re: Eduard Nieuport 11 and Gavia Bristol Scout C by "Matt Bittner" 26) 1/72 WWI Figures by "Brent Theobald" 27) Re: Eduard Nieuport 11 and Gavia Bristol Scout C by "Tom Sollers" 28) Re: 1/72 WWI Figures by "Tom Sollers" 29) RE: 1/72 WWI Figures by Volker Haeusler ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 22:11:28 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Who knows Zepplins? Message-ID: <3B3408E0.2891@airmail.net> I've had a yen to build Zepplins since just before joining the list. I've built the Revell Hindenburg, the AMT Akron/Macon amd the Glencoe Blimp (I know, not a zepplin, but still a gas bag!). Model Expo carried a few zepplins in balsa, plastic and tissue last year. I debated with myself over how much skill I had in those materials. Ultimately, Model Expo removed the kits from their catalog, saving me from having to make a decision on whether or not to buy one. Then last month I was browsing the vendors at the Squadron Scalefest and ran across two card models of OT zepplins. The 1/400 scale one was about $10 and the 1/200 scale one about $23. I picked the smaller one (L-48) so if I mess up I won't be out much money. As far as I know, the 1/200 is still available from Valley Hobbies in Austin. I don't know how to contact them, but someone from the Austin contingent may be able to help. You can also buy zepplin card models from the Zepplin Museum Store on-line. I've misplaced the URL, so you'll have to resort to using a search engine to find it. Card models look fairly simple. Just score, cut, fold and paste. They're aleady painted. I've got a few kits ahead of it, but I intend to finish it by the end of the year. I'll let everyone know when I do. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 00:40:39 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hi Warren Message-ID: <3B341DC6.A13B03C4@earthlink.net> ...and a big mountain hello from Wheeling, WV. Strap yourself in, this list is one wild ride! We rock and roll 24/7 with listees from all over the world filling the bandwidth all hours of the day and night. No question goes unanswered, and no answer goes unquestioned. The cumulative wisdom, insight, knowledge, and humor of this bunch is mind-boggling. Enjoy! Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:11:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Then there was one..... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD159@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Warren says: > I know growing up around our WWI vets in the > 1960's meant a > lot to me. Those boys, at least here in the U.S. never got > the recognition > they were due. the world is a lesser place for their > absence. Just my opinion. An opinion very much shared in Australia. Roy Longmores death, and the fact that Alec Campbell is the last survivor og Gallipoli, took up half the broadshhet front page (with banner headlines) in the Saturday edition of our main nationwide daily paper. Another full broadsheet page inside too. Roy Longmore had been a Sapper, engaged in mining activities on the Western Front after the Aussies went there post Gallipoli. He survived almost until the end of the war untouched before being shot in both arms and both legs by German MG fire within weeks of the war ending and being invalided home - by which time the war was over until 1939. Alec Campbell - the only survivor - went to Gallipoli as a 16 year old, having lied about his age, claiming to be over 18. The recruiters were either lenient or incredibly stupid, because the picture of him in uniform taken circa Gallipoli shows a fresh faced kid looking about 12 years old. He left Gallipoli due to disease and malnutrition, and suffering palsy which to this day leaves him looking sort of crestfallen. It's atonishing to think that all this happened 86 years ago. I marched in ANZAC day parades with some of these fellows - it's a source of some pride to have earned and worn a near identical uniform - and now they're amost all gone. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:18:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Hello Everybody Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD15A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Warren says: I've known of the exixtence of this > group for some > time now, but only recently joined up. I've been lurking for > a few days, > and have decided to step forward into "the light" and > introduce myself. Since I read all the mail before replying (unusual for me) I won't add my answers to your questions, but will add a G'Day from down under. Nice to see you've a tendency to multiscalarity. Definitely advantageous, because you can join in whichever side of the scale war is winning ;-) > This certainly seem slike a friendly group of folks. It's all an act. However, having met some of the listees off list, it's a damn good one which appears to go beyond the bounds of the ether :-) It's always a pleasure to welcome someone new to the list but.... 1. Show us some photos 2. Don't let Michael "The fighting Cock" Kendix convince you to support Spurs 3. Look out for the Bittner in the sun - he'll swoop on you and deluge you with francophile propaganda in an instant ;-) 4. Leave the cowl off all Fokker F.I aircraft 5. More photos ! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 07:47:41 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Who knows Zepplins? Message-ID: <002001c0fbda$4fd8e270$2439183f@cyrixp166> Speaking of Zepplins, Has anybody on this list ever built that huge Testors Vacuform? I dont remember which Airship it was, but it (the model) was huge. Regards, John Cyg. PS, Although not the same thing, Barry's vacuform sausages (1/72 alas) are really something to behold. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Flake To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:19 PM Subject: Re: Who knows Zepplins? > I've had a yen to build Zepplins since just before joining the list. > I've built the Revell Hindenburg, the AMT Akron/Macon amd the Glencoe > Blimp (I know, not a zepplin, but still a gas bag!). > > Model Expo carried a few zepplins in balsa, plastic and tissue last > year. I debated with myself over how much skill I had in those > materials. Ultimately, Model Expo removed the kits from their catalog, > saving me from having to make a decision on whether or not to buy one. > > Then last month I was browsing the vendors at the Squadron Scalefest and > ran across two card models of OT zepplins. The 1/400 scale one was > about $10 and the 1/200 scale one about $23. I picked the smaller one > (L-48) so if I mess up I won't be out much money. As far as I know, the > 1/200 is still available from Valley Hobbies in Austin. I don't know > how to contact them, but someone from the Austin contingent may be able > to help. > > You can also buy zepplin card models from the Zepplin Museum Store > on-line. I've misplaced the URL, so you'll have to resort to using a > search engine to find it. > > Card models look fairly simple. Just score, cut, fold and paste. > They're aleady painted. I've got a few kits ahead of it, but I intend > to finish it by the end of the year. I'll let everyone know when I do. > > Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 09:38:14 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org, Shane Weier Subject: Re: Then there was one..... Message-ID: <3B34A9D6.893D9FF1@x25.net> Shane, No one ever said it better than the person that wrote the old, old song repeated by MacArthur... "Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away..." The memories of these gentlemen and the thousands of others, over time, may not be remembered by name and address, but you and I included, will be at the very least "numbers" in History, and, we can be found in the records if anyone cares to look. Faded but not defeated. Our feet may begin to shuffle a bit in the parade but we are there in our mind if not in person. Just like the men from Gallipoli. All of them. Bless them for they have earned it. Lee M. Shane Weier wrote: > Warren says: > > > I know growing up around our WWI vets in the > > 1960's meant a > > lot to me. Those boys, at least here in the U.S. never got > > the recognition > > they were due. the world is a lesser place for their > > absence. Just my opinion. > > An opinion very much shared in Australia. Roy Longmores death, and the fact > that Alec Campbell is the last survivor og Gallipoli, took up half the > broadshhet front page (with banner headlines) in the Saturday edition of our > main nationwide daily paper. Another full broadsheet page inside too. > > Roy Longmore had been a Sapper, engaged in mining activities on the Western > Front after the Aussies went there post Gallipoli. He survived almost until > the end of the war untouched before being shot in both arms and both legs by > German MG fire within weeks of the war ending and being invalided home - by > which time the war was over until 1939. > > Alec Campbell - the only survivor - went to Gallipoli as a 16 year old, > having lied about his age, claiming to be over 18. The recruiters were > either lenient or incredibly stupid, because the picture of him in uniform > taken circa Gallipoli shows a fresh faced kid looking about 12 years old. He > left Gallipoli due to disease and malnutrition, and suffering palsy which to > this day leaves him looking sort of crestfallen. > > It's atonishing to think that all this happened 86 years ago. I marched in > ANZAC day parades with some of these fellows - it's a source of some pride > to have earned and worn a near identical uniform - and now they're amost all > gone. > > Shane > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:34:39 -0400 From: "Tom Sollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hello Everybody Message-ID: <200106231434.f5NEYgr19626@mail.bcpl.net> I think they are the ONLY thing around as far as I know. One of my >best pards is a dealer in militaria, with WWI being his bread and butter. >I'll ask him and see what he has to say. > >Warren Warren: Thanks! It would be good to have another opinion. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:52:09 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hello Everybody Message-ID: <91.c5f7824.28660719@aol.com> In a message dated 6/22/01 12:11:11 PM EST, ibs4421@commandnet.net writes: << I'm in Kentucky in case there are any on the list somewhere nearby. >> Hi Neighbor, Greetings from the SunnySide of Louisville (actually Clarksville IN). We have a very active club in Louisville (Military Modelers Club) with about 75 members. Some of our members travel from Fort Knox, Lexington, and Frankfort for our monthly meetings. We have a few other guys that build WWI. Also have a club workshop open to members and their guests on Saturday morning, and a good hobby shop 10 minutes away. You (or any other listees) are welcome to visit, our meetings are on the third Thursday of every month. Also there is a good club in Ashland, Ky area, IPMS River Cities, nice bunch of guys. Scott (Skippy) King ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 18:15:21 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Testor Zeppelin and paper marine Luftschiffe was:Re: Who knows Zepplins? Message-ID: <00a401c0fbff$b3aa7960$0aad72d4@FRITZweb> "John & Allison Cyganowski" asked: > Speaking of Zepplins, Has anybody on this list ever built that huge Testors > Vacuform? I dont remember which Airship it was, but it (the model) was > huge. IIRC, it was the Big Bang Hindenburg, of course. It was really huge, it was far over 1 Meter long. I never built it and swapped it away. The problem (for me) was that those vacformed halves where far too flimsy. It was necessary to construct a inner structure and that means scratchbuilding a complete new Zeppelin. The smaller parts for engines and other details where injection moulded in some whitish translucent plastic and looked like small-run manufactured. In my personal view, in was not a easy kit and when ever I wish to have such a huge Zep., I'll start with a paper kit, copying the parts on plastic card material. Easy and effective. BTW, there ARE two paper kits of OT Zeppelins, available only at the german equivalent to the Fleet Air Arm Museum , the Marinefliegermuseum at Nordholz. ( Ooops..did the marine fly Zeppelins? Or only Schuette-Lanz?) I do have the kits, but cannot find them at the moment. I have to look and will give notice after recovery. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:19:03 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Recon Photos was:Re: Dispatch from the AEG wars Message-ID: <002001c0fc00$38387ec0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/aeg3.htm Photo of completed nacelle at the above URL sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:39:51 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Recon Photos was:Re: Dispatch from the AEG wars Message-ID: <000901c0fc03$20087320$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi SP- Just great!! thanks Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Perry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: Recon Photos was:Re: Dispatch from the AEG wars > http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/aeg3.htm > > Photo of completed nacelle at the above URL > sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 09:01:53 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Testor Zeppelin and paper marine Luftschiffe was:Re: Who knows Zepplins? Message-ID: <3B34BD71.8000506@mars.ark.com> "John & Allison Cyganowski" asked: Speaking of Zepplins, Has anybody on this list ever built that huge Testors Vacuform? I dont remember which Airship it was, but it (the model) was huge. No, but I did build the paper model of the Hindenburg. It is impressive (about one meter long) and sits on a shelf behind the bar in my Rec room. Like many paper kits, I am convinced that the designer never actually tried to build it... For those interested in a challenge, it came as ""Build Your Own Hindenburg" in "The World on the Move" series from Perigee Books, ISBN 0-399-50864-3. The original price was "$9.95, higher in Canada". There's not much book left when the model is finished! Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:56:50 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Welcome Warren Message-ID: Hi Warren, Welcome to the list! You'll have alot of fun here. As previously mebtioned, John Meikrantz did pass away last year... alas, no Meikraft Gotha.. but you can get the brand-new Roden kit. There is no such things as 'recovery' here... in fact, you've just taken one step further into the addiction... I'm afaraid all you can do now is buy, buy, buy! Have fun! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:01:50 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Great War Militaria Message-ID: <83.c163779.2866338e@aol.com> Tom, I've purchased a few things from Great War. They're good guys, seem to know what they're talking about, and the articles are very nice. Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:32:30 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hi Warren Message-ID: <68.107e9209.28663abe@aol.com> As Dame Karen said: In a message dated 6/22/01 9:46:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, krychski@earthlink.net writes: << No question goes unanswered, and no answer goes unquestioned. >> And sometimes an answer appears for a question was hasn't yet been asked! Welcome from the depths of Orange County California. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:32:34 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Zeppelins and Megatech Message-ID: <21.d75cdf7.28663ac2@aol.com> In a message dated 6/22/01 3:10:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: << I'd like to now how much of a difference there was between wartime airships and those built after the war like the Hindenburg. >> A Hindenburg kit would be mighty difficult to convert to a WW I era ship. Looking at the little Revell kit once, I gave up completely. The overall shape is from another galaxy! The WW I beasts tended to have the mid section as a tube, with paralel sides, whereas the Hindenburg was curvy all along its length....not to mention MANY more stringer facets. It's more streamlined altogether- not just a faceted tube with pointy ends. RK (let's not mention the half finished 1/240 scratchbuilt skeleton of "P" class L 13 stashed high up in the closet.....) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:32:36 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Travel all over the countryside Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/01 3:00:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Brian.Nicklas@nasm.si.edu writes: << And I believe Stonehenge is nearby... (ot but cool) >> A lot of training went on in the area.....and a Handly Page 0/400 once almost pancaked right on top of the monument! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:32:37 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Site is moved Message-ID: In a message dated 6/20/01 1:21:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, philippe.spriesterbach@pi.be writes: << but if my job permit it, I should post new photos from the Nieuport 23 under restoration, taken at Brussels Army Museum by our friend Frederic. Take a look at : http://home.pi.be/~p4u09886 >> Another fine batch of pictures....thanks! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:02:04 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Travel all over the countryside Message-ID: >From: KarrArt@aol.com >In a message dated 6/21/01 3:00:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >Brian.Nicklas@nasm.si.edu writes: > ><< And I believe Stonehenge is nearby... > (ot but cool) >> > >A lot of training went on in the area.....and a Handly Page 0/400 once > >almost pancaked right on top of the monument! This is tru about the training. Salisbury Plain was used for exercises. During WWI, they cared little about the constant vibrations for heavy army vehicles and damaged some of the stone structures. BTW, it is next door to Yeovilton's FAAM but not to far - Wiltshire and Somersetshire are neighbouring counties. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:53:47 +0200 From: "Liefferinckx Frederic" To: Subject: Nie 23 Message-ID: <003101c0fc26$99a8b0a0$cfac043e@d6o1v9> All pictures come the restoration of the Nie23 in the brussel's museum,the first man who have begin the work is now pass away ;he have make a real good work ,some original "relic"of the original colors have be found on the metal part and on the vickers for the seat sorry ,the artist was gone under a another sky......if your are interessed by our work in the brussel's army museum i have other pictures about the Nie23and my work on the Brussel's LVGcVI.(when my scanner was in order and Phillippe finish his labour). have a nice day?fred ps:if some body have a drawing,pictures of the left and right side of the breguet14b2 cockpit,i'm very interessed(thanks to steve for a pictures of the pilot instrument panels). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 16:20:34 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Bre.14 (was Re: Nie 23) Message-ID: <200106232118.OAA03565@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 17:03:05 -0400 (EDT), Liefferinckx Frederic wrote: > ps:if some body have a drawing,pictures of the left and right side of the > breguet14b2 cockpit,i'm very interessed(thanks to steve for a pictures of > the pilot instrument panels). Just as an FYI, Albatros Pubs is supposed to release a Datafile Special "sometime" on the Bre.14. Let's hope it sees the light of day either before or at the same time as the upcoming Azur kit!! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re creation of the Fokker Flugzeugwerke, G.b.m.H. Message-ID: <20010623212117.83559.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Hi who ever is there, If you're not, please disregard this post. Fokker Team Schoendorf (www.fokker-team.de) has plans to replicate the Fokker factory at Schwerin-Goerries. Their site has more on their plans. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:11:27 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Re: Hello everybody Message-ID: <000501c0fc31$738ea860$d6ee97d4@default> And a warm welcome from Sweden, Warren. Up here we build in 1/72 scale and mostly Spads. And I'm pleased to say that I've actually done a little modelling for the first time in a month. /Neil Nb: Sopwith Schneider, Spad XII Nr: Aeroplane Monthly and still struggling through Avions, I hope to have it finished by the time I get another one next week. Nl: Rolling Stones Voodoo Lounge (quite good actually) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:38:25 -0400 From: Michael and Sharon Alvarado To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Eduard Nieuport 11 and Gavia Bristol Scout C Message-ID: <3B352871.3BF78DB3@verizon.net> Hi gang, Got back a little while ago from my favorite plastic mongers with Eduard's Nieuport 11 and Gavia's Bristol Scout C in tow. After fondling the plastic of both kits for a while I am now prepared to give you my out of the box impressions of both kits. First the N.11. The kit comprises two sprues exquisitely molded in Eduards standard light tan plastic and clear injection moulded windshield. No flash, small pour gatesand the detail parts are about the finest cast pieces I have ever seen - even finer than the cockpit detail parts of the DML Fokker triplane. Additonally there are two sets of interplane struts, regular and equipped for Le Prieur rockets. Unfortunately there is no provision for the aluminum cladding of the lower wings in the vicinity of the interplane struts found on rocket equipped Nieuports. If you want to build yours with rockets you'll have to scratch that, a battery and wiring on your own but the rockets (eight of them) are a work of art. Also included are a set of express masks for the flying surface outlines, wheel disks and winshield glass. Detail is fine and the typical Eduard starving cow wing rib detail is subdued but there is no evidence of the two riblets between each wing rib on the upper surface leading edge as on the prototype. Looks hike a stretched sprue job here. No biggie. Fuselage detail is also very delicate with the fuselage lacing being well represented though there is no evidence of the underlying fuselage structure on the after fuselage just like eduard's N.17 and DML's Fokker D. VII. The cockpit is especially well detailed including interior fuselage structure subtily moulded in, pilot's seat mount box, accurately portrayed control column and rocker tube, rudder bar, throttle assembly, fuel tank rear wall and carburetor and air intake pipes. The seat has a solid back when it should be perforated but is the correct shape for the N.11. No seat belts in the non-profipack version. Both the seat and seatbelts can be taken care of with Eduard photoetch sets, French seatbelts and the new seats set. The only things that AMSers will find necessary to do is install structural bracing and control cable wires. One can also add the oil pulsometer and piping to the port fuselage side and the fuel level sight glass to the center of the fuel tank rear wall. The one error I do see in the cockpit is that the kit includes a small instrument panel when the prototype, in common with all other Nieport designs during the war had no such panel, just the odd gaged clamped here and there to the fuselage structure. Several alternate over wing machine gun mounts are included as are alternate cowls and a headrest. I suspect that an N.16 is not far away in the future though only parts for an 80 hp Le Rhone are included in this kit. Kit supplied markings include N 1135 flown by Capitaine Le Comte JLV de Plandes Sieyes de Veynes of Esc. N28 and Paul Tarscon of Esc. N62. Finally, in a first for Eduard a pilot figure, standing in boots with his hands in the pockets of a knee length leather flying coat and wearing a kepi is included. The figure is in three pieces. Full length front up to the kepi, a back piece from the collor to the hem of the coat and the kepi. Pretty neat! All major components fit the Ian Stair drawings in the Albatros Publications Nieuport Fighters Datafile Special vol.1 to a tee. So if these drawings are your holy grail then the model is spot on in configuration. All in all a great kit and what promises to be a fun build. Next, the Gavia Bristol Scout C. The kit comes in a zip lock bag on two sprues of khaki colored plastic. Decals and an acetate sheet with the windscreen printed on it are included in a second zip lock bag. There is no photoetch included in the kit. Since I beleive this kit was molded for Gavia by Eduard, the quility of moulding is typically Eduard, i.e. to highest industry standard. Detail is extremely fine with the flying surfaces extremely well represented. The false ribs in the winfg leading edges are exceptionally well represented. Very subtile indeed. Fuselage lacing is very petite while the structure moulded on the fuelage interior is so petite and understated that I may decide to over lay it with evergreen strip so that when I add the structural bracing wires it will look right. The machine gun provided is a Lewis oif the type shown in photograph 80 in Datafile 44, Bristol Scouts. I'm not sure if its correct for Lanoe Hawker's 1611. I will probably replace it with an Aeroclub variant. You will also want to study photographs of the gun mounts and add additional bracing struts as necessary as only a single "V" brace is supplied in the kit. Cockpit detail includes separate footboards, seat mount, seat, control column, rudder pedals, instrument panel and turtledeck bulkhead. The throttle quadrant is molded to the port fuselage half. There are no seatbelts provided. Eduard British seatbelts photoetch will fix that. The engine will need pushrods added to the cylinders. The cowling is the full circle without cutouts. Again all majort components fit the Ian Stair drawings provided in Datafile 44 with the exception of the turtledeck line. Stair's drawings and photographs show a straight line from the aft edge of the cockpit opening to the stabilizer. The kit has a steeper sweep from the aft edge of the cockpit opening to the aft edge of the cockpit decking than from the aft edge of the cockpit decking to the stabilizer, but it is slight, and on reexamination, this double sweep does appear on aircraft including 1611. Apparently early Cs had the double sweep and later ones did not. Kit supplied markings include Capt. Lanoe G. Hawker's 1611 of 6 Squadron, RFC and 1250 in early red and white roundels and Union Jacks on the fuselage. Again, another great kit in the proper scale for proper modelers ;^b. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:07:24 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Eduard Nieuport 11 and Gavia Bristol Scout C Message-ID: <200106240005.RAA07821@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:41:20 -0400 (EDT), Michael and Sharon Alvarado wrote: > Detail is fine and the typical Eduard starving cow wing rib > detail is subdued but there is no evidence of the two riblets > between each wing rib on the upper surface leading edge as on the > prototype. Looks hike a stretched sprue job here. No biggie. That's because there are none on the Nie.11/16. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:22:37 -0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: 1/72 WWI Figures Message-ID: Howdy ya'll! I found these WWI figures here: http://www.modelers-paradise.com/kitsandmore/haetInd/HAET.htm I have never heard of these before, much less heard of them. Just an FYI. Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:32:56 -0400 From: "Tom Sollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard Nieuport 11 and Gavia Bristol Scout C Message-ID: <200106240032.f5O0Wvr14863@mail.bcpl.net> >Detail is fine and the typical Eduard starving cow wing rib >detail is subdued but there is no evidence of the two riblets >between each wing rib on the upper surface leading edge as on the >prototype. Looks hike a stretched sprue job here. No biggie. Michael: I'm not positive, but I don't believe production Nieuport 11s had riblets. >Fuselage detail is also very delicate with the fuselage lacing >being well represented though there is no evidence of the >underlying fuselage structure on the after fuselage just like >eduard's N.17 and DML's Fokker D. VII. Again, I could be wrong, but to me Nieuport 11 fuselage sides look very flat and smooth. IMHO this would be negligible. I believe most of what is seen in photos is exhaust/oil stains. There seemed to be a tendency for the fuselage skin to "suck in" a little while the engine was running. The airflow would deposit oil on the forward, slightly concave surface. See the captioned photo on the bottom of page 6 of Nieuport Fighters, Volume 1 by JM Bruce for a better explanation and photo examples. Thanks! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:36:21 -0400 From: "Tom Sollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/72 WWI Figures Message-ID: <200106240036.f5O0aMr15271@mail.bcpl.net> >I have never heard of these before, much less heard of them. Just an FYI. If I remember correctly, these are soft plastic figures similar to the old Airfix line. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 06:35:46 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: 1/72 WWI Figures Message-ID: Brent, from the order number these have to be HAT Industires figures. Thatīs the old Airfix line of soft plastic figures reissued. However, no idea about there Italian WWI set - no Airfix set of these ever existed. I got most of there OT stuff, and the quality is still quite ok - seems the soft plastic does not wear out the molds that easily... And these sets are in my eyes much more valuable for diorama work than those newer Revell or Emhar ones. They also include some non-combat poses, like walking or standing soldiers with their guns not raised, or that famous "Prussian General" with itīs Pickelhaube in the German set. I think Roll models carries the line as well. Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Brent Theobald Sent: 24 June 2001 07:27 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 1/72 WWI Figures Howdy ya'll! I found these WWI figures here: http://www.modelers-paradise.com/kitsandmore/haetInd/HAET.htm I have never heard of these before, much less heard of them. Just an FYI. Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3467 **********************