WWI Digest 3463 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: OT in the local news rag by Crawford Neil 2) RE: Kits You've Missed Out On (and really wish you hadn't!) by Crawford Neil 3) Re: Birthday by "DAVID BURKE" 4) RE: OT in the local news rag by "Graham Hunter" 5) Now LINKS/OT in the local news rag by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 6) Re: Now LINKS/OT in the local news rag by "Michael Kendix" 7) RE: Now LINKS/OT in the local news rag by "Harris, Mack" 8) Got my Bebe! by "Tom Sollers" 9) Blue Max Kit Delivery Time by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 10) R: Got my Bebe! by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 11) RE: Oops - re New Salmson pics by Crawford Neil 12) Re: R: Got my Bebe! by "Michael Kendix" 13) LePrieur Rockets (was Re: Got my Bebe!) by Matt Bittner 14) Re: R: Got my Bebe! by Matt Bittner 15) R: R: Got my Bebe! by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 16) R: LePrieur Rockets (was Re: Got my Bebe!) by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 17) Re: R: LePrieur Rockets by Matt Bittner 18) Guns in the Toko/EE Nieuport 16 kit by "Michael Kendix" 19) Travel all over the countryside by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 20) More got my Bebe by "Tom Sollers" 21) Re: Travel all over the countryside by "Brian Nicklas" 22) Re: R: Got my Bebe! by "Steven Perry" 23) Re: Now LINKS/OT in the local news rag by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 24) Help with Washes by NodalPoint@aol.com 25) Re: R: Got my Bebe! by "Lance Krieg" 26) Re: Help with Washes by "Michael Kendix" 27) Re: R: Got my Bebe! by Todd Hayes 28) Re: Help with Washes by "Brent Theobald" 29) Re: Help with Washes by "Lance Krieg" 30) Re: Guns in the Toko/EE Nieuport 16 kit by "Hans Trauner" 31) Re: Travel all over the countryside by Steve Cox ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:31:36 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: OT in the local news rag Message-ID: Our local newspaper (Metro) didn't even manage to copy the telegram correctly so they said they were from WW2. What can you expect from a free newspaper? /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: geoff-smith@ntlworld.com [mailto:geoff-smith@ntlworld.com] > Sent: den 21 juni 2001 13:37 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: OT in the local news rag > > > They almost got it right. The shoulder badges shown on the box > were Lincoln so presumably it should be the Lincolnshire Regt. Sad > that it took 84 years to find them. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:35:45 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Kits You've Missed Out On (and really wish you hadn't!) Message-ID: I never have felt that I missed anything, I don't even have time to build the kits I have. By the time I get to build them, they are too valuable to build, I saw some prices of old Airfix kits just now, I can't afford to build my collection;-) /Neil > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:11:56 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Birthday Message-ID: <004b01c0fa55$10ccdf40$a0a31e3f@oemcomputer> Hey Lee, From one recent Birthday boy to another, Happy Birthday! As the saying goes, 'To get to be old and wise, one must first be young and foolish'. I'm somewhere in the middle. DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:06:17 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: OT in the local news rag Message-ID: <000501c0fa5b$577dbd00$fa0101c0@grahamh> This was also in our local (Winnipeg) newspaper albeit just the one picture of the grave with a short write-up. The caption was "Arms Linked in Camaraderie" Graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:57:50 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Now LINKS/OT in the local news rag Message-ID: <107.18e53e9.2863656e@aol.com> In a message dated 6/21/2001 8:27:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mvj@thetelegram.com writes: << Our papers carried that picture as well. Strangely touching to see them all with linked arms. Strangely weird to see skeletons where only the boots hadn't disappeared. Lest We Forget, >> Strangely, I have not seen anything here in my local paper, anyone have any links to their paper with the store in it, I would truly like to read about it. Thanks Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:07:30 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Now LINKS/OT in the local news rag Message-ID: >From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com >Strangely, I have not seen anything here in my local paper, anyone have > >any links to their paper with the store in it, I would truly like to > >read about it. Thanks Jon: Go to http://www.google.com and type in "electronic telegraph". The first search link will be to the Electronic Telegraph and go to the UK News section to find the story, and related stories with a picture. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:08:46 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Now LINKS/OT in the local news rag Message-ID: Here's a link to the story in CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/france.grave/index.html Mack -----Original Message----- From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com [mailto:VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Now LINKS/OT in the local news rag In a message dated 6/21/2001 8:27:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mvj@thetelegram.com writes: << Our papers carried that picture as well. Strangely touching to see them all with linked arms. Strangely weird to see skeletons where only the boots hadn't disappeared. Lest We Forget, >> Strangely, I have not seen anything here in my local paper, anyone have any links to their paper with the store in it, I would truly like to read about it. Thanks Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:09:18 -0400 From: "Tom Sollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Got my Bebe! Message-ID: <200106211609.f5LG9Kv11612@mail.bcpl.net> Got my Bebe this morning from Rosemont. WOW! What a nice kit. Easily Eduard's best to date. All parts look very crisp and well molded, with a slightly more subdued treatment of the traditional Eduard starved cow syndrome. Kit includes, rockets, alternate cowls and "V" struts (for rockets). An nice pluses are a very well executed pilot figure in leather coat and vinyl masks for the wings and tail surfaces, to facilitate painting of the trim around the edge. I haven't slapped them against a set of plans yet to check accuracy, but things "look" right so far. Bravo, Eduard! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:39:44 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Blue Max Kit Delivery Time Message-ID: <200106211539.RAA27209@mail-relay.eunet.no> Hei, I have found Blue Max/Pegasus to be fast, usually a week or so to Norway. Their turn-around is a few days - it is mainly the time in the mail. Standard packing is just a padded envelope with the kit flat inside. Haven`t had any major problems due to that, a few bent struts and it is less likely to be stopped by Customs than a parcel. What I have done is to place a standing order with them, gets a list of next years releases and just tick off the ones I want. Kits are then dispatched and charged on my card when they become available. There is no club membership needed to do this, just filling in a form. As long as he doesn`t charge extra for postage - this is a good offer, and I have found them to be reliable and the kits to be of consistent quality, no great ripples or rip-offs. No connection with Mr. Gannon except being a customer for many years. Eders Knut Erik >I ordered the new LVG C.VI today, directly from Blue >Max. I haven't done so in a long while. I know BM is >fast. Still, would someone who has bought from them >recently let me know about how long it took to get >your order? I couldn't pass up that $34+ change price >for the LVG. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:11:15 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: Got my Bebe! Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906EFD9@SERVER1> And now for the 1/72nd scale version........in colourful Italian markings, of course !!!!! Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Tom Sollers [SMTP:tsollers@bcpl.net] Inviato: giovedi 21 giugno 2001 18.13 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: Got my Bebe! Got my Bebe this morning from Rosemont. WOW! What a nice kit. Easily Eduard's best to date. All parts look very crisp and well molded, with a slightly more subdued treatment of the traditional Eduard starved cow syndrome. Kit includes, rockets, alternate cowls and "V" struts (for rockets). An nice pluses are a very well executed pilot figure in leather coat and vinyl masks for the wings and tail surfaces, to facilitate painting of the trim around the edge. I haven't slapped them against a set of plans yet to check accuracy, but things "look" right so far. Bravo, Eduard! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:22:40 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" , Subject: RE: Oops - re New Salmson pics Message-ID: For anyone who's missed this (like me), go and have a look immediately, Jims latest updates are just amazing, I've never seen anything like it! /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Landon [mailto:thegreatlandoni@hotmail.com] > Sent: den 15 juni 2001 20:42 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Oops - re New Salmson pics > > > Oops! That should have said section "K" not "F". "F" is > where you go to > see the instrument panel blueprint I followed. > > Dork > > >From: "Jim Landon" > >To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >Subject: New Salmson pics > >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:32:17 > > > >Hi all, > > > >I finally got around to working up a couple new pics of the > instrument > >panel for my scratch built 1:16 Salmson 2A2. Go to > >http://communities.msn.com/Salmson2A2 and then select > section "F" and > >check out the last 3 pics. Or look in the lower right > corner of the main > >screen. If you comment, please CC your replies to > >thegreatlandoni@hotmail.com because I'm still unsubscribed > (summers are far > >too busy to keep up with so much email). But I do miss the list. > > > >Update: the instrument panel is now installed, the 3-lever throttle > >quadrant is built and installed, including the 6 control > cables from it to > >the engine compartment. The single lever (quadrant?) for > engine air intake > >(choke?) is built and installed, with it's 2 control cables. > The cross > >bracing wires at the bottom of the pilot's cockpit are in, > and I've started > >the floor, which will be slats rather than solid per one > Japanese photo. I > >just keep noticing more things I have to do before I can > start covering the > >fuselage (at which time most of what I've been doing for the > last six > >months will nearly disappear from view!!). > > > >By the way, hi to any new people I don't know about. > > > >Jim Landon > >Semi-listee and > >semi-official blacksmith > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:32:55 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: Got my Bebe! Message-ID: >From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: And now >for the 1/72nd scale version........in colourful Italian >markings, of >course !!!!! > Alberto: Keep dreaming, who knows. Tom wrote.. >>Kit includes, rockets, alternate cowls and "V" struts (for rockets) I thought only the Nieuport 16 had these Le Prieur rockets, which were enabled due to the more powerful engine. Maybe a Nieuport 16 is in the offing. The Profipack version will also be a Nieuport 11. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:33:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: LePrieur Rockets (was Re: Got my Bebe!) Message-ID: <20010621163332.87736.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Just to add some thought IRT LePrieur rockets on the early Nieuports. >From what I can tell, there were *no* Nie.11's that used the rockets. All photos *I have seen* were all Nie.16's (typically headrest and larger, 110hp, engine). Not sure if the extra struts have this or not, but the struts themselves were wrapped in metal when using the LePrieur's. This is so the heat of the exhaust wouldn't burn the strut when firing. In addition, there was a thin metal plate on the top surface of the wing, two ribs wide (I think) under the interplane strut. Again this was to protect the wing fabric from the pyrotechics. Unfortunately I can't tell how the "firing wires" were strung on the wing. On top? Underneath? I haven't found any clear images that show this. In fact, I have yet to see any images that show the ignition wire at all. There was a separate box in the fuselage to fire them, but size, shape and location are also unknown. Be aware that there was a "tube" on top of the rocket body that slipped onto the rod on the strut. There is an excellent chance these rockets were red, with silver "slivers" on the tips to represent the "blades" in the tip. HTH... Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: Got my Bebe! Message-ID: <20010621163533.23973.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> --- "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" wrote: > And now for the 1/72nd scale version........in colourful > Italian markings, of course !!!!! Wouldn't that be nice? Correct, too, eliminating the correction pieces coming from Rosemont. One can dream... I tell you, those bastiches that build in Balloon Scale are sure lucky... :-) Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:32:27 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: R: Got my Bebe! Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906EFDD@SERVER1> In the meantime, I will work on the Easter Express offering...thanks to Dale Sebring !!! Alberto -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Michael Kendix [SMTP:mkendix@hotmail.com] Inviato: giovedi 21 giugno 2001 18.37 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: Re: R: Got my Bebe! >From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: And now >for the 1/72nd scale version........in colourful Italian >markings, of >course !!!!! > Alberto: Keep dreaming, who knows. Tom wrote.. >>Kit includes, rockets, alternate cowls and "V" struts (for rockets) I thought only the Nieuport 16 had these Le Prieur rockets, which were enabled due to the more powerful engine. Maybe a Nieuport 16 is in the offing. The Profipack version will also be a Nieuport 11. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:37:33 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: LePrieur Rockets (was Re: Got my Bebe!) Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906EFDE@SERVER1> Interesting topic, Matt. As far as Italian Nieuports are concerned, I can confirm that several Ni.11s were armed with rockets, as shown by contemporary pictures. BTW, Italians did not flew the Ni.16. As an example, please look at the picture from my collection I sent to you a few weeks ago: in the middle of the lineup there is a CDL Ni.11 with rockets. More scans available to anyone if needed.... All the very best, Alberto -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Matt Bittner [SMTP:ipmsfortcrook@yahoo.com] Inviato: giovedi 21 giugno 2001 18.39 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: LePrieur Rockets (was Re: Got my Bebe!) Just to add some thought IRT LePrieur rockets on the early Nieuports. >From what I can tell, there were *no* Nie.11's that used the rockets. All photos *I have seen* were all Nie.16's (typically headrest and larger, 110hp, engine). Not sure if the extra struts have this or not, but the struts themselves were wrapped in metal when using the LePrieur's. This is so the heat of the exhaust wouldn't burn the strut when firing. In addition, there was a thin metal plate on the top surface of the wing, two ribs wide (I think) under the interplane strut. Again this was to protect the wing fabric from the pyrotechics. Unfortunately I can't tell how the "firing wires" were strung on the wing. On top? Underneath? I haven't found any clear images that show this. In fact, I have yet to see any images that show the ignition wire at all. There was a separate box in the fuselage to fire them, but size, shape and location are also unknown. Be aware that there was a "tube" on top of the rocket body that slipped onto the rod on the strut. There is an excellent chance these rockets were red, with silver "slivers" on the tips to represent the "blades" in the tip. HTH... Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: LePrieur Rockets Message-ID: <20010621165047.41641.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> --- "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" wrote: > As far as Italian Nieuports are concerned, I can confirm that > several > Ni.11s were armed with rockets, as shown by contemporary > pictures. BTW, > Italians did not flew the Ni.16. As an example, please look at > the picture > from my collection I sent to you a few weeks ago: in the middle > of the > lineup there is a CDL Ni.11 with rockets. Interesting indeed! Thanks for bringing that to my attention - I hadn't noticed before. Okay, I'll redo my previous statement and say "all photos *I have seen* *of French marked BeBe's*...". :-) Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:02:31 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Guns in the Toko/EE Nieuport 16 kit Message-ID: The Toko/Eastern Express Nieuport 16 kit gives a couple of options in building it. The RFC or French version has a Lewis gun but what is gun provided in the kit for the Russian (IRAS) version? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 03:55:17 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Travel all over the countryside Message-ID: <3B323505.E776F085@tac.com.au> Hi everyone Well I'm pleased to be able to say that our travel plans to the UK in August have moved up a notch from amorphous mass to "kinda fluid". We have approx 4 weeks and will have a car at our disposal. We have some places earmarked already for invasion but I'd love to know what do list members think we should not miss? Mistress Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:17:48 -0400 From: "Tom Sollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: More got my Bebe Message-ID: <200106211817.f5LIHwv13480@mail.bcpl.net> Outlines compared to plans look bang on. Only area in question may be the length of the landing gear. But that variance is minor. Kit also includes a separate head rest. I'll have to check how significant the engine differences were, but it looks like you could make an 11 or 16 from this kit. The engine manifolds are particularly well done on the kit. They have the correct "flattened with a twist" look to them. Pretty decent Lewis gun. Only addition I can see, would be a PE seat with perforations, as the kit's is solid. Decals look good and are in perfect register. They include airframe stenciling and strips for the strut wrappings and fuselage lacing. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:53:42 -0400 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Travel all over the countryside Message-ID: Duxford - And if only to get a ride in the de Havilland Dragon Rapide. What a thing of BEAUTY! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:49:04 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: R: Got my Bebe! Message-ID: <004301c0fa8b$3a827440$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > I tell you, those bastiches that build in Balloon Scale are sure > lucky... :-) > Matt Bittner And those of us who build in any scale are sensible...broke, but sensible ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:33:09 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Now LINKS/OT in the local news rag Message-ID: <8e.1749015f.28636db5@aol.com> Thanks Mike & Mack Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:35:21 EDT From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Help with Washes Message-ID: <113.9e4cb0.2863b489@aol.com> Hi, I have lots of trouble with washes (among other things). I see the great weathering effects people can get with washes but when I try I either get muddy, overdone uglieness or just a dulling down effect. Some people say they use oils or even ink. Do they apply the wash with a brush, etc.? Colors? Any suggestions out there or tips people might share. Thanks, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:09:03 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: R: Got my Bebe! Message-ID: Matt whinges: " I tell you, those bastiches that build in Balloon Scale are sure lucky... " You dink scalers get Farmans, Caudrons, Capronis, and Il'yas along with every conceivable single-seater, and then pout when we get one scout that was already available and an easy conversion to boot? Shame, Matthew! Mind you, I'll probably pick one up... and I've already got a built N.11! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:01:21 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Help with Washes Message-ID: >I have lots of trouble with washes (among other things .... >Any suggestions out there or tips people might share. Steve: It depends what you're washing but suppose you want to do the panel lines for an aeroplane. I use an oil wash on top of acrylics. If you have used enamels, add a top clear coat of Future or clear flat because the oil wash's Turpenoid may remove enamel paint. 1. I combine a tiny amount of oil paint (I use either black or burnt umber) with some Turpenoid (odourless Turpentine substitute) in a cleaned used paint bottle. 2. Take a clean large brush and brush straight Turpenoid all over the area you want to wash, not just the cracks. This prepares the area so you don't get evaporation lines. 3. Apply the oil wash with a small thin brush in the panel lines. You should have plenty of time to mop up mistakes because oil dries slowly. I use little sponge ended make-up applicators to mop up. 4. If you want to stain the area a little, use clear flat acrylic as a base rather than shiny Future, and you can rub in the oil wash with the make-up applicators. Take as much off as you like until its suits your taste. 5. It needs a day or so to really dry. You can coat it with Future or acrylic flat. 6. A good way to learn oil washes is doing armour or military vehicles. You can really slop the stuff on, create stains etc. and it looks good. That's how I started and then I went and tried it on aeroplane models. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:03:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: Got my Bebe! Message-ID: <20010621210343.74329.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> ... and Voisans, a Vickers Gunbus, etc. --- Lance Krieg wrote: > Matt whinges: > > " I tell you, those bastiches that build in Balloon > Scale are sure lucky... " > > You dink scalers get Farmans, Caudrons, Capronis, > and Il'yas along with every conceivable > single-seater, and then pout when we get one scout > that was already available and an easy conversion to > boot? > > Shame, Matthew! > > Mind you, I'll probably pick one up... and I've > already got a built N.11! > > Lance > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:04:08 -0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Help with Washes Message-ID: Howdy! Is this listed under Gaston's technique page? Anyhow, here is what I do. Paint Model (obviously) Seal model completely with Future or gloss clear coat of choice. I like acylic because my enamel paint thinners don't eat it. Once dry get two containers of thinner. One for wetting the other for thinning paint. Mix a little dark umber or burnt sienna with the thinner to make a wash. Wet a small area of the model with the clean thinner. Apply the wash over the same area. Continue over the whole model The wetting application should help the wash flow. Also the wash will lighten as it dries. Practice, practice, practice If you don't like the effect wipe it off and try again. Feel free to ask questions if this isn't clear enough. Good luck! Brent >From: NodalPoint@aol.com >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Help with Washes >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:49:05 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi, > >I have lots of trouble with washes (among other things). I see the great >weathering effects people can get with washes but when I try I either get >muddy, overdone uglieness or just a dulling down effect. > >Some people say they use oils or even ink. Do they apply the wash with a >brush, etc.? Colors? > >Any suggestions out there or tips people might share. > >Thanks, >Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:07:08 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Help with Washes Message-ID: Steve wants some info on this, and I'll try to oblige... In using washes to highlight detail or provide weathering, being able to control the effect so it isn't too over-done is important. My suggested approach is to ensure that the various coats of finish are not attacked by the wash medium. In my case, whether my paint is acryllic or oil-based, I ALWAYS overcoat this with multiple coats of Future, first for the decals, and then to seal them into the finish. This protection over the basic color coats enables the modeler to approach the later stages with the confidence that his previous work is protected, and anything added can be removed if the effect is a failure. I usually spray an acryllic flat over my Future-coated subject, and let it dry thoroughly. Then I commence washes, using tube artist's oils of a wide variety of colors. These are heavily diluted with mineral spirits, and I generally then wipe a goodly portion of this off with cotton swabs or lint-free fabrics, stroking in the direction of the airflow (or gravity). The paint that remains subtly stains the surface, as some pigment settles into the flat coat; and the pigment remains around raised surface details and in recessed ones. It is always easier to add another coat, so go lightly at first. And, if you are especially timid, you can commence this process over the glossy Future, as much less will stick on the smooth glossy surface. The petroleum-based wash will not disturb the acryllic barrier, so none of the earlier colors are lifted or "muddied". Take a look at the planes in my gallery, which were all done this way, and see if they have the effect your after... if not, there are a number of other approaches, including using acryllics and inks. Hope this helps... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:24:36 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Guns in the Toko/EE Nieuport 16 kit Message-ID: <000701c0fa98$925fd1a0$36a072d4@FRITZweb> From: "Michael Kendix" Michael, it looks like a Hotchkiss (not being sure). I'll send you a scan from the instructions off-list. Wait a minute. Hans > The Toko/Eastern Express Nieuport 16 kit gives a couple of options in > building it. The RFC or French version has a Lewis gun but what is gun > provided in the kit for the Russian (IRAS) version? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:29:04 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Travel all over the countryside Message-ID: The Shuttleworth collection at Old Warden, Bedfordshire Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:53:45 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Travel all over the countryside > > Hi everyone > > Well I'm pleased to be able to say that our travel plans to the UK in > August have moved up a notch from amorphous mass to "kinda fluid". > > We have approx 4 weeks and will have a car at our disposal. We have some > places earmarked already for invasion but I'd love to know what do list > members think we should not miss? > > Mistress Lorna > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3463 **********************