WWI Digest 3425 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Shuttleworth last Sunday by Steve Cox 2) Re: Diego's Vacuform Kits Guide by "Matt Bittner" 3) Pfalz question - conclusive evidence? by "Nigel Rayner" 4) RE: Gallaudet seaplane by Volker Haeusler 5) RE: The Phoenix A series - was: Seaplanes Help! by Volker Haeusler 6) Re: wich plane he flew by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 7) Re: Mvr 425/17 Questions by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 8) Gallaudet D-1 info: by Robert Horton 9) RE: wich plane he flew by "Jay M. Thompson" 10) re: ot plane on Hyperscale by Andreikor@aol.com 11) Re: Gallaudet D-1 info: by KarrArt@aol.com 12) trivial musings by "Steven Perry" 13) RE: ot plane on Hyperscale by Shane Weier 14) Re: trivial musings by "Ray Boorman" 15) re: ot plane on Hyperscale by "Michael Kendix" 16) Re: Redford Mulock's Nieuport 3992 by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 17) Re: Diego's Vacuform Kits Guide by "David Calhoun" 18) Re: Gallaudet D-1 info: by Eli Geher 19) a burning man was RE: ot plane on Hyperscale by "Gaston Graf" 20) Need Junker D.1 rudder 1/48 scale! by "David Calhoun" 21) Re: "New" Old Airfix by "cameron rile" 22) Re: "New" Old Airfix by "Bob Pearson" 23) Re: a burning man was RE: ot plane on Hyperscale by "DAVID BURKE" 24) RE: a burning man was RE: ot plane on Hyperscale by "Gaston Graf" 25) RE: MvR's 425/17 questions by "Dave Watts" 26) Re: Albatros CX by DavidL1217@aol.com 27) Re: Nats attendees redux by DavidL1217@aol.com 28) 国际域名赠送 by oy 29) R: Diego's Vacuform Kits Guide by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 22:55:27 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: WW1 Mail List Subject: Shuttleworth last Sunday Message-ID: A nice day and some very good displays. Met some good people- Nigel Rayner from the list in particular. I have put up some pictures of the LVG C.VI and the Bristol monoplane on my website- look at the Shuttleworth page. The M1c gave a very impressive display at the end of the show, they had some trouble getting the engine set up. The page will take a time to load as there's no thumbnails. I also have snaps of these in the air but you can't see much, and some shots of the Bristol F2b, Avro 504K, Triplane and SE5A if anyone's interested. Who was wanting pictures of prop logos? I took several pictures of props in the hangars. Regards Steve nb DFW T28 Floh =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line 媼 I'd get some models finished ================ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 17:10:18 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Diego's Vacuform Kits Guide Message-ID: <200106072222.PAA02611@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:15:51 -0400 (EDT), Andreikor@aol.com wrote: > Hey listees... > Check out this monumental effort by fellow member Diego... > A really neat list of OT vacform subjects... > Nice job, D! I agree! Stupendous effort. You da man! :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:36:25 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Pfalz question - conclusive evidence? Message-ID: <000001c0efa2$48d78c40$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Hi gang, Just reading my new FMP Pfalz book, I stunmbled across what to me (IMHO) is fairly clear evidence that the inisdes of Pfalz DIIIs were painted, not left natural wood. On p 30 there is a photo of the two halves of an unpainted fuselage shell for a DIII. These clearly show the wickelrumpf structure as obvious diagonal lines, with variations in tone as you would expect with natural wood. On p 32 there is a photo pf 4184/17 stripped for inspection. The rear half of the fuselage is open and well lit so that you can see the inside of the fuselage. There is absolutely no evidence of the diagonal lines of the wickelrumpf on the inside of the fuselage (which is so clearly seen in the previous photo). Also, the finish is completely even, no variations of tone that would be evident if the natural wood had been finished with varnish. Coupled with the crash photo of DIIIa 8023/17 mentioned in my earlier post, I'm pretty convinced the interiors were painted. As to grey or silbergrau, I'd favour grey but only based on the reasonable explanation others have given. Cheers, Nigel (Also a member of the biscalar putsch) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 05:45:20 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Gallaudet seaplane Message-ID: Jim, you said: "Specifically, its the D-4. The D-1 was, if I'm not mistaken, a rather conventional-looking monoplane. jim" Had a look on the article again, and it磗 actually a reprint of a shrtened version of the Historical Aviation Album one. But no, (at least according to the article) the Gallaudet D 1 is a biplane, a seaplane with two seperate cockpits in the front, 2 Duesenberg (!) engines mounted in the fuselage and a prop directly behind, again integrated in the fuselage. The D 2 is described as a 3 seat version of the D 1 with Hall-Scott engines, the D 3 a project only, and the D 4 (also shown in photographs) as a D 1 development with a single Liberty engine. BTW, the drawings are the ones from Paul Matt. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 05:50:12 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: The Phoenix A series - was: Seaplanes Help! Message-ID: Hi Fernando, you asked: "Are there any plans for these versions in the Schupita book? Are they to scale or just "about that long"?" Well, some of the plans in the Schupita book are "based on originals" (according to the text). Nonetheless, they are somewhat basic (usually only the suideview and sometimes a front view), and I would not trust their accuracy. But the book is nonetheless superb, with lots of photos and (complete) war diaries. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:53:58 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: wich plane he flew Message-ID: I am not sure about the Alb 2 seater, but in answer to the previous question about the Fokker early in his flying days, the Ferko book indicates that it was a Fokker Eindecker. MvR and Reimann shared the plane. Reimann lost teh first one, and MvR promptly broke the second one when the engine failed on take off. No more Fokkers were sent to Kasta 8 and MvR had to be content to flying 2 seaters until his move to the East. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:25:35 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Mvr 425/17 Questions Message-ID: I can't attest as to the accuracy of the model, but look on the WWI site in my Dr.1 page. My thoughts were that the airplane being factory painted, the Red would be a brighter color than the field applied over painting one sees on the earlier Dr.1's, which was a more transparent covering. I used the Freko book (Richthofen) as my main reference, with a little bit coming form Windsock vol 4 No 1 spring 1988. While on the subject of MvR, does any one have a 1/72 scale Albatros C.IX kit they would be willing to part with if an agreed on price could be found? John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:28:00 -0500 From: Robert Horton To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Gallaudet D-1 info: Message-ID: <3B200E00.5ACAEB95@netexpress.net> Hi List type folks: I rather blew it...someone in the last day or so was asking about information and/or drawings from the P. Matt Historical Album for the Gallaudet D-1. I have it and can copy it if whoever will, will send me their snail mail address. There is a two page drawing in the manly scale...1/48th, and several pages of text plus one page that is an index or listing of the various model types. It appears to be about a 14" wingspan +/- and should be a very interesting project to scratch build. Now if I may, a bit ot but there is a definate tie-in to OT...has anyone ever been involved in trying to set up a way to input into a computer printer system, a way that you can take off still pictures from a Video tape, ( in freeze frame mode,) or to copy a frame off of a Video disc such as the Smithsonian series of discs. I have the set of the first three and would seem a really neat thing to be able to do but have never heard mention made of software and hookups that would permit this...any thoughts...Bob Horton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:31:27 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: wich plane he flew Message-ID: Yeah, I read on myself and found that after I sent that note, that we were talking about the time before he joined Boelke. I figured by the time I sent a correction myself, it'd already have been corrected by someone else;-) So my next guess would be a B. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of dfernet0 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: wich plane he flew Thanks Jay! However I disagree on this: > Well he says in the text "my Albatros", so depending on the date we'd be > talking a D.I or D.II. Probably he didn't flew a D series machine, as in the following chapter we read: " My First Time In a Fokker "FROM the beginning of my career as a pilot I had only a single ambition, the ambition to fly in a single-seater battle-plane. After worrying my commander for a long time I at last obtained permission to mount a Fokker. The revolving motor was a novelty to me. Besides, it was a strange feeling to be quite alone during the flight. " So the Albatros should have been a two seater... but wich??? I ask this because I would love to do a drawing of this episode of Manfred's life. About > As for his adventure, note that he flew under the storm, not through it. If > he'd flown through it he'd be no more than a footnote, a pilot who had > gotten a few victories before dying in a crash in 1916, and even flying > under it he was lucky to have survived. I completely agree! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:53:31 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: ot plane on Hyperscale Message-ID: <121.63a9a.28516dfb@aol.com> Michael wrote: Thanks for the kind comment, Michael, but DAMN.... you promised you wouldn't give the technique away! ;) Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 20:15:43 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Gallaudet D-1 info: Message-ID: <4b.c9205b4.2851732f@aol.com> In a message dated 6/7/01 4:26:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, artybob@netexpress.net writes: << Now if I may, a bit ot but there is a definate tie-in to OT...has anyone ever been involved in trying to set up a way to input into a computer printer system, a way that you can take off still pictures from a Video tape, ( in freeze frame mode,) or to copy a frame off of a Video disc such as the Smithsonian series of discs. I have the set of the first three and would seem a really neat thing to be able to do but have never heard mention made of software and hookups that would permit this...any thoughts...Bob Horton >> There are several products on the market made to enable your computer to grab stills from video- one popular one is called Snappy, made by Play Incorporated. Do a web search and you'll most likely find out what you need. We have Snappy, and it does ok- the better the original, the better the still. It's a wierd little box that plugs into the back of the computer and then to a VCR or other video device. The thing isn't installed at the moment- keeping a VCR mixed in with the rest of the computer crap made things just too crowded! Once in a while, I'll get a wild hair and set the whole mess up and do a bunch of still grabbing. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 20:19:59 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: trivial musings Message-ID: <00c701c0efb0$c140b5e0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> The Royal Air Force came into being 4/1/18. When did the Royal Aircraft Factory cease to be referred to as the RAF? sp Wondering as the paint dries on my SE.5a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:32:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: ot plane on Hyperscale Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD0A9@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael, > I have heard the movie's main issue involves a second rate > plot about a > 3-cornered affair of the heart, and incidentally an > altercation takes place > in the vicinity of Pearl Harbor, in which computer generated > images try to cancel each other out. Pretty accurate. The script is lame to the point of brain dead and the acting wooden and unconvincing. I won't touch on historical accuracy because it *is* supposed to be for entertainment, not a documentary, but do *you* believe Doolittle would choose fighter pilots to fly his bombers on a dificult and dangerous raid? Special FX are quite state of the art - that is, look very good but still feels not *quite* right - and really impressive for those who like movies to be full of loud bangs and car chases. I give it a C- or two stars out of 5 - boring, overhyped, badly acted, worse writing but entertaining loud bangs. My wife is picky about overlong love stories that feel trite - she gave it a no stars, don't bother, but didn't enjoy the bangs as much as I did :-) Shane (lucky? enough to see a preview) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 17:53:27 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: trivial musings Message-ID: <20010608005626.VXLW10373.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray.bconnected.net> When it became the RAE - Royal Aircraft Establishment. Sorry I couldnt resist.......... On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 20:21:38 -0400 (EDT), Steven Perry wrote: >The Royal Air Force came into being 4/1/18. > >When did the Royal Aircraft Factory cease to be referred to as the RAF? > >sp >Wondering as the paint dries on my SE.5a > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 01:18:51 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: ot plane on Hyperscale Message-ID: Andrei: Actually, it was angel hair pasta! Michael >From: Andreikor@aol.com >> >Michael wrote: >throws it onto the model, and sprays over with silver.> > >Thanks for the kind comment, Michael, but DAMN.... you promised you >wouldn't >give the technique away! ;) > >Cheers, >Andrei > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:34:07 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Redford Mulock's Nieuport 3992 Message-ID: <3B202B8F.DC619411@mars.ark.com> The roundels were the standard French ones (I made the mistake myself - which I discovered after carefully scratching the decals...). Most of the aircraft in the series even retained their full French tail markings, including serial - but I don't recall having seen a picture of this machine so I couldn't say what that serial was. Colour was of course CDL with dark outlines. Mike F. Graham Hunter wrote: > > Thanks Bob, CDL sounds good to me. Any decal sheets with red/white roundels? > > Graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 22:56:33 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Diego's Vacuform Kits Guide Message-ID: <00df01c0efdf$c6a4abc0$35d33ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Diego, Great list of vacuform kits! and i love the links to models on the web site! I found a few more vacs that you can add to the list. I have a couple of them, and some old flyers also, so most if not all of these are probably OOP. C.A. Atkins 1/48 Sopwith Camel night fighter - this is a nice kit with white metal parts. Don't know if any more 1/48 kits were made by them. Wings 48 - 1/48 scale kits, VW4822 Salmson 2 A2 WW489 Thomas Morse S4C "Tommy" scout Tom's Modelworks - 1/48 scale kits 100 Pfalz DIII 101 Nieuport 24/27 103 Albatros DI/DII 104 Albatros W4 105 Pfalz DIIIa - resin 106 Fokker D.VI - resin 109 Sopwith 1 1/2 strutter 112 Halberstadt CL.IV - resin 113 Albatros D.III 114 Albatros D.V 115 Albatros DVa - resin 116 Pfalz D.XII - resin I think all of the resin kits were originally vacs. Toms Modelworks 1/32 scale 3200 Pfalz D.III 3201 Sopwith triplane 3209 Pfalz D.IIIa Dave Calhoun ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:54:49 -0500 From: Eli Geher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Gallaudet D-1 info: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010607214609.01ea3540@mail.hiwaay.net> I use a WinTV card from Hauppauge Computer Works. When I put it in 2 years ago I had a lot of grief getting the drivers sorted out on my homemade system, but once it was working, its been very good. The stills from the Smithsonian discs are somewhat sharper then on a TV but still frustrating compared to actual prints from the negatives. Eli At 07:27 PM 6/7/01 -0400, Bob Horton wrote: >Now if I may, a bit ot but there is a definate tie-in to OT...has anyone >ever been involved in trying to set up a way to input into a computer >printer system, a way that you can take off still pictures from a Video >tape, ( in freeze frame mode,) or to copy a frame off of a Video disc >such as the Smithsonian series of discs. I have the set of the first >three and would seem a really neat thing to be able to do but have never >heard mention made of software and hookups that would permit this...any >thoughts... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 05:01:57 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: a burning man was RE: ot plane on Hyperscale Message-ID: Buhuhuuu.......and I wanted to see that movie together with my wife because I believed the lovestory could get her interested into a war movie - she generally hates war movies. But when I read your critics folks, I better drop the idea and see a Disney cartoon with her. Again the Hollywood dudes seems to have spoiled the fun. btw: a few days ago I zapped around on the TV channels and accidentally found a WW1 movie about a British squadron on a German channel... I did not watch it 'til the end because I didn't see it from the beginning but what I watched really shocked me for a while. I saw the most realistic scene of a pilot burning in his cockpit that I ever saw on a WW1 movie. His crate started to burn and the flames reached him more and more and as his face and hands was already badly burned and the whole cockpit wrapped in flames he bailed out with no chute... He burned like a candle all the way down, moving his arms and legs violently and still burned as he finally hit the ground. What made the scene so shocking was the accuracy. The burns in his face and the fear in his face and there was no burning straw doll plumming down but one really had the impression of a real man falling. Damn I did not see that the movies title was. But it was going about a young blond pilot... Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Shane > Weier > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 2:38 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: ot plane on Hyperscale > > > Michael, > > > I have heard the movie's main issue involves a second rate > > plot about a > > 3-cornered affair of the heart, and incidentally an > > altercation takes place > > in the vicinity of Pearl Harbor, in which computer generated > > images try to cancel each other out. > > Pretty accurate. The script is lame to the point of brain dead and the > acting wooden and unconvincing. > > I won't touch on historical accuracy because it *is* supposed to be for > entertainment, not a documentary, but do *you* believe Doolittle would > choose fighter pilots to fly his bombers on a dificult and dangerous raid? > > Special FX are quite state of the art - that is, look very good but still > feels not *quite* right - and really impressive for those who > like movies to > be full of loud bangs and car chases. > > I give it a C- or two stars out of 5 - boring, overhyped, badly > acted, worse > writing but entertaining loud bangs. > > My wife is picky about overlong love stories that feel trite - > she gave it a > no stars, don't bother, but didn't enjoy the bangs as much as I did :-) > > Shane > > (lucky? enough to see a preview) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:04:42 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Need Junker D.1 rudder 1/48 scale! Message-ID: <013f01c0efe0$ea5f49c0$35d33ccc@oemcomputer> Help! I have my blue Max Junkers D.1 about 95% complete, but found that the rudder is missing! Anyone on the list have an extra one, or the ability to make a resin casting of an original one? I will pay for materials & postage. One of the Lonestar or any other 1/48 D.1 would be acceptable. I don't know any way to scratchbuild the corrugated rudder. Thanks, Dave Calhoun ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:25:31 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: "New" Old Airfix Message-ID: <65750F75A8B55D115A960005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> >Hannants list a large chunk of the Airfix OT >range as new arrivals. Looks like the ones they have in 1:72 that havent been superseded by an Eduard are the Camel, Spad VII, Bristol Fighter and Sopwith Pup. Does anyone have any comments on the Airfix Camel, how does it differ from the Esci Camel? What about the Pup and Spad VII? For the rotaries are simple things like the engine seperate to the cowl or are they one piece? Has anyone on the East Coast of the US dealt with Hannants before, what is their service like? Didnt Airfix have a Sopwith Triplane too? cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:45:16 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: "New" Old Airfix Message-ID: <200106080245.f582jZq59364@mail.rapidnet.net> Best1/72 Camel is the Revell, followed by its knockoffs .. the worst is the Airfix Camel. The Airfix Pup is beautiful, but the lattice work below the cockpit is inaccurate iirc. You need to remove the moulded on control horns. SPAD VII is okay, although it has the dreaded washboard wings Only 1/72 Sopwith tripe is the Revell offering. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 22:54:35 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: a burning man was RE: ot plane on Hyperscale Message-ID: <009a01c0efce$c4f0f100$85f91c3f@oemcomputer> > Buhuhuuu.......and I wanted to see that movie together with my wife because > I believed the lovestory could get her interested into a war movie - she > generally hates war movies. And Gaston goes on to talk about human pyrotechnics. I gotta say though that the latest rash of WW2 movies and all of their hi-falutin' computer wizardry makes me hopeful that someday they will do another good WWI film. I could deal with a movie about Nungesser or Guynemer. Maybe Fonck or Luke. Especially Mannock. I'd love to see a good, accurate bio-pic about Mick Mannock with good effects to show the right kinds of planes that were involved. And DEFINITELY without Ben Affleck, ANY of the Baldwin brothers, or Gerard Depardeu playing a loveable Frenchman. Phillipe Noiret on the other hand.... DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 06:25:42 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: a burning man was RE: ot plane on Hyperscale Message-ID: O-Oh... Now that we possess the technologies to make such a dream come true we still need good actors if we don't want to see the same old faces again and again... But the day comes closer and closer where the computer also can handle this. One thing is quite clear to me: If there would be a movie about a German squadron or the life of a single German pilot it only can accurately be done by Germans like only Frenchmen can portrait a Frenchman and off course the same counts for the other countries involved into that war. The Hollywood ehmmm..... "entertainement" industry tends to kitschfy things to much. Bet they would show a Boelcke having his last sourkraut before his last start while in fact his aide-de-camp Fischer brought him his last chocolate as he was called for help... I suggest Micheal Schumacher playing the role Of Manfred von Richthofen. But somebody must chop off his chin a bit before the casting can start :o). Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > I gotta say though that the latest rash of WW2 movies and all of their > hi-falutin' computer wizardry makes me hopeful that someday they will do > another good WWI film. > > I could deal with a movie about Nungesser or Guynemer. Maybe > Fonck or Luke. > Especially Mannock. I'd love to see a good, accurate bio-pic about Mick > Mannock with good effects to show the right kinds of planes that were > involved. And DEFINITELY without Ben Affleck, ANY of the Baldwin > brothers, > or Gerard Depardeu playing a loveable Frenchman. Phillipe Noiret on the > other hand.... > > > DB > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:56:27 -0500 From: "Dave Watts" To: Subject: RE: MvR's 425/17 questions Message-ID: Hi Gregg, Just to throw my two cents in as well. >1) Does anyone know where I can obtain a good set of Dr. 1 cockpit sketches? There are some good photos from a replica that is pretty well done at; http://memorial.flight.free.fr/indexuk.html Check out the "Fokker Dr.I" and at the bottom of the page of the Dr.I photos it says, "photoscope", click on this, and you'll see the extra cockpit photos that are good. Actually this is one of the very best Dr.I's I've seen so far. I can't recall Fred Murrin's exactly, but I'm sure he didn't have so many extra original goodies in his cockpit. I still believe the fuel gauge is incorrect as depicted here. Look closely at the photo in Imrie's book and there are some other shots in other books like the Windsock data files, Engel's book, etc. The deviation chart is a very nice touch and usually neglected in other replicas. >>2) I have read in the wwi archives that the Dr. 1 seat was aluminum, with fabric covered interior. Also understand that MvR's had random holes drilled through the aluminum, that a seat cushion was installed and that the fabric was doped red. Is this in fact correct? I don't recall the random holes. I have seen several photos of the seat that is on display in Canada, and some good ones appear in one of the last MvR books that came out. When I closely inspected the late built Fokker D.VII at Broome County, the seat and cockpit trim is made from a fabric that was made to simulate leather. I believe this to be the original fabric and it is fabric "leather" not real leather. I don't know it this was a practice used by only Albatros and OAW, and not Fokker, but I would think Fokker used the same material. >>3) I have read that the steel frame tubing was primed light gray. Is there a specific color? I believe this is correct, but I have not seen authenticated color values or numbers, although I'm certain Dan-San Abbott has some deduced colors. What color was the interior fabric, CDL, or other? The tubes were wrapped, for sewing onto and chaffing, with CDL. Were the plywood coamings in the cockpit untreated plywood or primed? If so, what color? I believe clear varnish, but have no proof. I am from the school of MvR's plane was a regular issue aircraft painted after it left the factory. >>5) A while back I found a string in the wwi archives about the color red of 425/17 (I'm hunkered down expecting massive flak here), and that there was a specific color that they described as being the color red that they imagined a WWI aircraft would be painted. I concur with the "blood red". When I went through the Ferko collection in Dallas with a friend, I took a look at the album on MvR and under a photo of the stripped skeleton of 425/17 there was a small envelope glued in. I opened it, and inside was a small one inch by two inch piece of blood red fabric. I instantly knew what it had to be, and took it to the secretary on duty in the archive and notified her of what it was and it's importance and value. She seemed a bit na飗e as to what it was but assured me it would be given to the director and put into the vault. The next time my friend went back to the University the piece was no where to be found. Imagine that! That really irks me! I seem to recall that the fabric appeared to have the underlying light green under it, but I will have to check with my friend to see if he recalls it the same way. Best, Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 01:25:59 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros CX Message-ID: <6c.b60a89c.2851bbe7@aol.com> Wing's 86 made a very nice resin kit of the CX. Mine is shown on the site under St. Louis Jasta. It's a shame Mike Eacock had hung it up. 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Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Andreikor@aol.com [SMTP:Andreikor@aol.com] Inviato: giovedi 7 giugno 2001 23.16 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: Diego's Vacuform Kits Guide Hey listees... Check out this monumental effort by fellow member Diego... A really neat list of OT vacform subjects... Nice job, D! Click Here: http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/vacs.html Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3425 **********************