WWI Digest 3422 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Pfalz questions by "Ray Boorman" 2) RE: hints... hints... WAS: Roseplane Spad XI by "Matt Bittner" 3) Limon3@email.msn.com by Todd Hayes 4) RE: Pfalz questions by "Ray Boorman" 5) HR Models Caudron G.III by Todd Hayes 6) RE: New 1:48 Eduard Nieuport 11 and Gavia Bristol C at VAMP by Todd Hayes 7) Re: Pfalz questions by "Steven Perry" 8) Pfalz D.IIIa Dreidecker: A Surprise From Spin Models by Todd Hayes 9) Re: Pfalz questions by MAnde72343@aol.com 10) RE: Pfalz questions by "Ray Boorman" 11) RE: hints... hints... WAS: Roseplane Spad XI by Shane Weier 12) FW: Seaplanes Help! by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 13) Re: Pfalz questions by "Lee J. Mensinger" 14) Dame Karen's advice by Andreikor@aol.com 15) Re: Dame Karen's advice by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 16) Re: Dame Karen's advice by Karen Rychlewski 17) RE: Pfalz questions by "Ray Boorman" 18) Re: Albatros CX by Witold Kozakiewicz 19) Fwd: 1:48 Nieuport 11 by MAnde72343@aol.com 20) Re: Albatros CX by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 21) RE: Albatros CX by "dfernet0" 22) Î人Ììʹ֮Լ¹ú¼ÊÏÊ»¨¿ìµÝΪÄúת´ïÇ×ÇéÓÑÇéºÍ°®Çé by wh5288@5288.com 23) RE: hints... hints... WAS: Roseplane Spad XI by "dfernet0" 24) HR Martinsyde S.1 Comments by "Sandy Adam" 25) SPIN conversion set. Was: Re: HR Martinsyde S.1 Comments by Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz 26) wich plane he flew by "dfernet0" 27) Mvr 425/17 Questions by Balzer Mr Gregory P 28) Re: Mvr 425/17 Questions by "Michael Kendix" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:47:08 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz questions Message-ID: Graham, You might want to think about what was added to pale grey to get silbergrau and why. Aluminum was added to stop ultra violet damage. The insides dont get much sun therefore the fuselage halves were probably painted white or grey all over then joined and finished in a sealing coat of silbergrau. Reasons for this. Paint and most raw materials were in short supply. However a primer and top coat would have been required for the outside of the fuselage. Therefore to preserve supplies of silbergrau why not just leave the insides in primer, its not as if they needed the same preservation on the inside as outside. The Pfalz DIII and DIIIa were not rotary engineed therefore you didnt have a total loss oil system kicking destructive caster everywhere. just my two cents Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Graham > Hunter > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:47 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Pfalz questions > > > My understanding is that the silbregreu paint was very sturdy and had good > preservation qualities. So my guess is that the interiors on Pfalz were > silbregreu. That is how I am painting mine, with natural wood > stringers and > formers. > > Graham > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:58:02 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: hints... hints... WAS: Roseplane Spad XI Message-ID: <200106070155.SAA14815@falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:44:29 -0400 (EDT), Shane Weier wrote: > Coward. Make your own, it only takes about 30 minutes! Let's see. I have two D.V's, so that would be an additional 30 minutes (since I already did one). Plus if I build any others, that's 30 minutes trimmed from building time for other things. Thanks, but I think I'll use the upcoming Rosemont ones... ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:56:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Limon3@email.msn.com Message-ID: <20010607015657.89018.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Gabe, I just got back on-line. If you're still interested, I'm doing the VAMP order. FYI, VAMP has Eduard's new Nieuport 11 for $16! An excellent price. Also the new Gavia Bristol C is listed. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:00:30 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz questions Message-ID: Typical, I reply to an email before I've read all of my days mail. Only to find someone said the same thing hours before...... btw have you noticed Pfalz interior colors are similar to Voss's cowl color and Vegemite the topic comes up every 3 or 4 months and never seems to be solved....... If you want to see how good your spellchecker is. Try it on the word silbergrau, if its english it will suggest Silver Grey. Always thought that was funny. Ray (Just eating Toast and Marmite, yep I know anemic vegemite but its all we can get here) > > I subscribe to the painted interior theory for the D.III on the basis that > Germanic craftsmanship would have dictated covering the paper/wood strips > which would have been visible on the interior surface of the > shell halves, > at lest that part visible from the cockpit. A spray painting of the > interior done after it was assembled over the wooden framework, but before > additional details and fittings were added would account for the > observation > made above by Shane. > > As to Silbergrau or light gray, I lean toward the light gray. Aluminum was > not terribly abundant in wartime Germany due to the blockade and inceased > wartime usage of aluminum. Since it's purpose in paint was UV > protection, I > would imagine that a cheaper gray paint would have been used in > the interior > and the more expensive aluminum based paint saved for the outside > where it's > special properties were needed. > > Again, Shane hit it right on the head with his remark about "educated > guesses" and thats all the above is, light on the education and > heavy on the > guess. > sp > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:13:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: HR Models Caudron G.III Message-ID: <20010607021328.3086.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> For anyone interested in seeing the actual kit parts, VAMP has photos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New 1:48 Eduard Nieuport 11 and Gavia Bristol C at VAMP Message-ID: <20010607021433.95430.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> There's just something about seeing what I'm building that I really like! --- Shane Weier wrote: > Todd says: > > > If only Eduard would do each new kit in both > scales, > > oh what a happy crowd we'd be! > > Why? I'm happy whichever scale they get released. > > Shane > > (Member #10101 of the Biscalar Putsch) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is > confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:18:04 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz questions Message-ID: <00dc01c0eef8$15789ce0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > Typical, I reply to an email before I've read all of my days mail. Only to > find someone said the same thing hours before...... Actually it was minutes Ray. And you said it better sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:19:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Pfalz D.IIIa Dreidecker: A Surprise From Spin Models Message-ID: <20010607021942.3606.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> I just realized that the VAMP site (again) lists a 1:48 Pfalz D.IIIa Driedecker conversion for the Eduard kit for $4. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:23:58 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pfalz questions Message-ID: <107.ee70b7.28503fbe@aol.com> The oiling system of the inline engines, was ALSO basically a 'total loss' system, there were no covers over the valve springs, which were oiled by the system, with no return, there was a crankcase 'sump' and an oil pump, but the system was essentially one way, as opposed to later systems that recirculated the oil. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:37:36 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz questions Message-ID: Actually most engines of the day had exposed valvegear, but the loss is no where near as great as a rotary. If you run a rotary and an inline engine of the period together you'll find both will use all there oil eventually, The rotary will go through the oil hours faster. > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of > MAnde72343@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:28 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Pfalz questions > > > The oiling system of the inline engines, was ALSO basically a > 'total loss' > system, there were no covers over the valve springs, which were > oiled by the > system, with no return, there was a crankcase 'sump' and an oil > pump, but the > system was essentially one way, as opposed to later systems that > recirculated > the oil. > Merrill > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 13:04:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: hints... hints... WAS: Roseplane Spad XI Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD0A1@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt, > Let's see. I have two D.V's, so that would be an additional > 30 minutes > (since I already did one). Plus if I build any others, that's 30 > minutes trimmed from building time for other things. Thanks, but I > think I'll use the upcoming Rosemont ones... ;-) As SP already noted, the 1/72 ones only take 20 minutes ;-) ....and in any case, once I made one for the Eduard in 1/72 I didn't make the same mistake I made with the two 1/48 ones - I made an RTV mould for next time. Since I only made a D.Va stick it'll need modifying to use in a D.V of course Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:47:17 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: FW: Seaplanes Help! Message-ID: <008601c0ef04$8c866720$7f01010a@jaring.my> I also don't have much experience for second hand books in Germany. However, one source for second hand aviation book is Heinz Nickel, who is not only the publisher of the best German aviation modelling magazine "Jet & Prop", but also sells second hand aviation books. I know no webpage, but an email address: vdm_nickel@t-online.de The best search engine for second hand books is the ZVAB (Zentrales Verzeichnis Antiquarischer Buecher), a kind of German abebooks.com. You find it under http://www.zvab.com Navigation is German only, but if you use "Suchworte" (words to search for) like "Fliegerei" or "Weltkrieg 1", you'll find a lot of stuff. Finally, when still living in Germany, I also bought some books in a small shop near Frankfurt airport called "Buecherkiste". They specialized on naval and aviation literature. Their headquarters was in Stuttgart-Gablenz, and they had some very nice newsletters with good prices and a goood selection. I found an URL for them under http://www.schwaben-finanz.de/buecherkiste/ but it does not seem to work any longer. Maybe they closed down. Finally, a good source for books, that might also have some older stuff, is Christian Schmidt of Munich: http://www.christian-schmidt.com/ Volker PS: I was told that somebody is working on the translation of the excellent Schupita book into English, even though this is a more long term project only Original Message: > > 3 - Does anybody know a source for out-of-print > > Austrian books? Any specialist bookshop there or in > > Germany? > > Volker? Hans? > D. >I don't know any URL of a german used book shop. I usually go to the next >used book shop and ask. If it not available, you can place an advertisment >on a nation-wide network of used-book-sellers. In 75% it works. >F.e. I managed to get Schupita's "Die k.u.k Seeflieger' a few weeks ago in >Berlin. >What's the exact title you are looking for? I can place an advert and wait >for offers. >Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 23:20:37 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org, lemen@x25.net Subject: Re: Pfalz questions Message-ID: <3B1F0115.24C8E0B2@x25.net> Should not try to compare a rotary and an inline for Oil Usage. There can be no comparison since the Rotary has the oil mixed in the Gasoline. For real consideration the Castor oil does not burn. So the engine really doesn't use any oil at all just lets it lubricate while it is around, and, then spits it out. In line and radial engines use oil by burning it or letting it leak out of various poor fitting seals. Lee M. Ray Boorman wrote: > Actually most engines of the day had exposed valvegear, but the loss is no > where near as great as a rotary. > If you run a rotary and an inline engine of the period together you'll find > both will use all there oil eventually, The rotary will go through the oil > hours faster. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of > > MAnde72343@aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:28 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Pfalz questions > > > > > > The oiling system of the inline engines, was ALSO basically a > > 'total loss' > > system, there were no covers over the valve springs, which were > > oiled by the > > system, with no return, there was a crankcase 'sump' and an oil > > pump, but the > > system was essentially one way, as opposed to later systems that > > recirculated > > the oil. > > Merrill > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 00:23:09 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Dame Karen's advice Message-ID: <10c.108d8c7.28505bad@aol.com> Dame Karen wrote: << Andrei, print this out and put it in your underwear drawer--next time you forget where it is, call me and I'll tell you >> LOL... thanks Dame Karen. Now, can you tell me where I might have left my socks???? Cheers, Andrei ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:40:52 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Dame Karen's advice Message-ID: <3B1F05D4.C11FD39C@tac.com.au> Andreikor@aol.com wrote: > > Dame Karen wrote: > << Andrei, print this out and put it in your underwear drawer--next time you > forget > where it is, call me and I'll tell you >> > > LOL... thanks Dame Karen. Now, can you tell me where I might have left my > socks???? > Cheers, > Andrei ;) That's easy ... they'll be in the kitchen taking up the space left by all the kitchen utensils you've nicked for use on the modelling desk :-) Mistress Lorna btw was talking to Ernest Von Heretic yesterday, you'll all be pleased to know he's the same old Ernie and he wanted me to say hi to the list .... just cos he's quiet doesn't mean he's not plotting something ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 00:44:28 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Dame Karen's advice Message-ID: <3B1F06AD.7792651C@earthlink.net> Andreikor@aol.com wrote: > Dame Karen wrote: > << Andrei, print this out and put it in your underwear drawer--next time you > forget > where it is, call me and I'll tell you >> > > LOL... thanks Dame Karen. Now, can you tell me where I might have left my > socks???? Not at my house, that's for sure!!! Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:09:47 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz questions Message-ID: Lee, You as usual are exactly right and said it much better than I did. My original point was that though both engines of the time had exposed valve gear the inline's were not usually considered total loss systems. Of course if I had had sense I would have said ones a two stroke and uses the oil mixed with the gas which is seldom burned properly and gets sprayed over everything and only goes through the system(engine) once. The inlines as used were four strokes and not total loss. Yes they do have exposed valve gear, but the loss of oil is negligible compared with a real total loss system such as a two stroke engine (most but not all rotaries were two stroke). I once rode a racing Manx Norton Motorcycle used in the 1950's, this had exposed valve gear too. Whilst you do get a light misting over say an hour or so its not that bad. Think about it you wouldn't want to race something on two wheels if it sprayed oil everywhere, because at some point tires and road would part company. Not a good idea on a bike such as the Norton that was thee bike to use on the 37 mile Isle of Man circuit in the 50's. Ray (sorry got a bit long winded) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:00:05 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros CX Message-ID: <3B1F4295.17E269D7@bg.am.lodz.pl> Volker Haeusler napisa³(a): > Available from the Modellbaustudio Rhein-Ruhr - I saw it there again just 2 > weeks ago. Have they webpage? -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 05:17:35 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Fwd: 1:48 Nieuport 11 Message-ID: <4d.ca0cbc3.2850a0af@aol.com> --part1_4d.ca0cbc3.2850a0af_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4d.ca0cbc3.2850a0af_alt_boundary" --part1_4d.ca0cbc3.2850a0af_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colin Adair confirmed, the Eduard Nieuport 11 was released, June 1st. Merrill --part1_4d.ca0cbc3.2850a0af_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colin Adair confirmed, the Eduard Nieuport 11 was released, June 1st.
Merrill
--part1_4d.ca0cbc3.2850a0af_alt_boundary-- --part1_4d.ca0cbc3.2850a0af_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb04.mx.aol.com (rly-yb04.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.4]) by air-yb02.mail.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Jun 2001 02:08:34 -0400 Received: from gate.eduard.cz ([212.90.248.70]) by rly-yb04.mx.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Jun 2001 02:08:31 -0400 Received: from eduard.cz (mail.eduard.cz [192.168.100.2]) by gate.eduard.cz (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f576K3q01706 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:20:04 +0200 Received: from EDUARD/SpoolDir by eduard.cz (Mercury 1.44); 7 Jun 01 08:07:48 +0001 Received: from SpoolDir by EDUARD (Mercury 1.44); 7 Jun 01 08:07:44 +0001 Received: from karel (192.168.100.20) by eduard.cz (Mercury 1.44); 7 Jun 01 08:07:37 +0001 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:07:36 +0200 Message-ID: <01C0EF28.E9D5B100.Colin.Adair@eduard.cz> From: Colin Adair To: "'MAnde72343@aol.com'" Subject: RE: 1:48 Nieuport 11 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:07:34 +0200 Organization: Eduard Model Accessories X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 7 TEXT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Sir, Yes it was released on the 1st of June. Colin Adair Eduard --part1_4d.ca0cbc3.2850a0af_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:36:30 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: Albatros CX Message-ID: <004201c0ef35$561fbe80$7f01010a@jaring.my> Yep, even though it's onlz under construction, in German and does not give more than the location and an email address: http://www.classic-plane-mrr.de An alternative is to send a mail to: kit-studio@t-online.de Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Witold Kozakiewicz" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Albatros CX > Volker Haeusler napisa³(a): > > Available from the Modellbaustudio Rhein-Ruhr - I saw it there again just 2 > > weeks ago. > > Have they webpage? > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 06:49:31 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Albatros CX Message-ID: <002301c0ef37$26abb1c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> There's no vac kit of the C.X to my knowledge. However you can retrofit one of the Joystick CXIIs to a X with some work. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Albatros CX > Matt, no need to apologize, at least to me, that's one I make WAY too often! > But dig in those gray recesses, did someone make a CX? my memory says "yes'" > but my references are silent. 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I did them several times and those of the Albatros D.I and the D.II are even posted on the net as a proof! Retire your accusations or I'll have to send you my seconds. (sound of a gauntlet trhown in the general direction of Australia) D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 12:24:45 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WWI Modelling List" Subject: HR Martinsyde S.1 Comments Message-ID: <002a01c0ef44$91266100$30e8b094@sandyada> >Wings >First thing I did was to ........ Hi Charlie great comments - you're obviously a bit further on with this kit than me. As usual, I have about six kits on the go and the HR 'Tinsyde and Kitten get a little done in turn. I'd echo all your findings - which apply equally to the Kitten. I spent a lot of time truing up the fuselages and cowlings, refining the wings and putting brass locating pins in. now I'm at that stage of trying to decide whether it warrants becoming an AMS extravaganza or if I should just finish it reasonably well and get on with some of the better AMS-receptive kits cramming my shelves. By the way - nobody seems to have noticed the new SPIN conversion kit for a Pfalz DIII triplane at Vamp? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 13:37:16 +0100 From: Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: SPIN conversion set. Was: Re: HR Martinsyde S.1 Comments Message-ID: Hi all, New SPIN conversion set include new struts and mid wing only. All parts are well cast. SPIN standard. Recomended kit is Eduard Pfalz D.IIIa SPIN also announce M.S. A.1, SAGE 2, S.S.W. Dr.I and Caproni Ca.20. They will be released probably next month. Eduard will release Nieuport Ni.11 ProfiPack next month. Lubos Vinar >> Odpovìzte prosím - wwi@wwi-models.org Odesláno kým: wwi@wwi-models.org Od: "Sandy Adam" @wwi-models.org 07.06.2001 12:28:50 Komu: Multiple recipients of list Kopie: Pøedmìt: HR Martinsyde S.1 Comments By the way - nobody seems to have noticed the new SPIN conversion kit for a Pfalz DIII triplane at Vamp? Sandy << ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:11:18 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "ww1 list" Subject: wich plane he flew Message-ID: <000501c0ef4a$f5a4a3c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi list! Would someone on the gathering of brilliant minds be able to tell me wich type of airplane was flying Manfred Von Richthofen on this thunderstorm? http://www.richthofen.com/arcdocs/richt6.htm It says that's summer 1916, and later on he tell us that he was allowed to fly a single seater fokker for the first time... so wich would have been his earlier plane? Thanks in advance D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:41:51 -0400 From: Balzer Mr Gregory P To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Mvr 425/17 Questions Message-ID: Good Morning All, Currently building DML/Dragon Dr. 1 representing late version of MvR's 425/17. First attempt in 20+ years. Many thanks to Bob Laskodi, Michael Kendix and Graham Steel for the advice. A few questions for the list. I know some of these have caused an imbroglio in the past, believe me, this is not my intent! 1) Does anyone know where I can obtain a good set of Dr. 1 cockpit sketches? I have the Windsock Datafile. Looking for instrumentation, control stick, throttle and other wiring and colors in particular. Were the instrument housings brass, or painted? If so what color? I've gone to the vintage aviation page, and found that the Albatross instrument faces were white. Same in the Dr. 1? 2) I have read in the wwi archives that the Dr. 1 seat was aluminum, with fabric covered interior. Also understand that MvR's had random holes drilled through the aluminum, that a seat cushion was installed and that the fabric was doped red. Is this in fact correct? 3) I have read that the steel frame tubing was primed light gray. Is there a specific color? What color was the interior fabric, CDL, or other? Were the plywood coamings in the cockpit untreated plywood or primed? If so, what color? 4) Looking for a 1/48 sheet of Balkan Kreusse insignia, any recommendations? Does anyone make stencils for 1/48 Eisen Kreusse, which I intend to paint on, and then over-spray? Did 425/17 have a Datum line, or was it over-painted as well? Does Archer make press apply data block for 425/17, or is there a good sheet of decals? Understand that the tail rudder was overpainted white-to-red-to-white, I take it that the Fokker logo and werk number was probably over-painted as well? 5) A while back I found a string in the wwi archives about the color red of 425/17 (I'm hunkered down expecting massive flak here), and that there was a specific color that they described as being the color red that they imagined a WWI aircraft would be painted. Looking for a little help here! I know a lot of you are in the prep stages for the Nats. TIA for the info. Greg Balzer To Michael K, sorry I haven't been in touch about getting together at the NoVa IPMS but CinC HOUSE has implemented "minimize" activities as of late with the tasker list. :-( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:12:34 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Mvr 425/17 Questions Message-ID: >From: Balzer Mr Gregory P > >To Michael K, sorry I haven't been in touch about getting together at >the >NoVa IPMS but CinC HOUSE has implemented "minimize" activities as >of late >with the tasker list. :-( I think this is generally, OT, so I hope people don't mind if I respond on the list. Gregg: I completely understand and this is meant to be an enjoyable hobby. We all have other committments (work, wife, children, significant other, friends, house projects etc.) that need attention and we cannot abandon all else just to satisfy our modelling habit. "Moderatio in omnibus rebus." Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3422 **********************