WWI Digest 3412 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: A bit ot but amazingly cool by "Gaston Graf" 2) New rendering by "Matt Bittner" 3) RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book by Volker Haeusler 4) Re: New rendering by "Tom Solinski" 5) =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_New_rendering_&_Karen=B4s_Kittens?= by Volker Haeusler 6) RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book - another possible source by Volker Haeusler 7) RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book by "Gaston Graf" 8) RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book - another possible source by "Gaston Graf" 9) Re: New rendering by Mark Miller 10) Re: FMP British Markings Book by "Bob Pearson" 11) Re: Pfalz questions again by "Stefen Karver" 12) RE: New rendering by "Jay M. Thompson" 13) Re: Canvas Hanger and the Nats by Steve Cox 14) Fiddler's Green Hangar by Andreikor@aol.com 15) RE: Mk I to MKIV Tank Colors by "Nigel Rayner" 16) Re: Mk I to MKIV Tank Colors by "Hans Trauner" 17) List Motto / was: Mk I to MKIV Tank Colors by "Michael Kendix" 18) Nats attendees by "Matt Bittner" 19) Re: List Motto / was: Mk I to MKIV Tank Colors by GRBroman@aol.com 20) Re: Nats attendees by GRBroman@aol.com 21) Re: O/100 and O/400 questions by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Re: Nats attendees by Al Superczynski 23) Re: Nats attendees by GRBroman@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:00:18 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: A bit ot but amazingly cool Message-ID: LOL - if this only worked I could have all of my Jasta Boelcke pics in color... ;o) Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Hans > Trauner > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 3:55 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: A bit ot but amazingly cool > > > No problem, David! Take one of those cowling pics, plus photoshop ( or > similiar), make a blue one, a red one and a yellow (!!!) one. Make > overlaying prints´... et voila! Last enigma reveiled... it's...coloured! > > Hans > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Fleming" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: A bit ot but amazingly cool > > > > Wow! thanks ! Now if only German triplane photographers had been so > acommadating > > :-) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 09:23:51 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: New rendering Message-ID: <200106031421.HAA27176@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Added another awesome Jay Thompson Fokker D.VII 3-D rendering. Matt Bittner WW1 Site Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:20:17 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book Message-ID: Hi Gaston, the book is: The Fokker Triplane Alex Imrie Arms & Armour Press, London, 1992 ISBN 1-85409-118-2 I´d try some of the British second hand bookstores first - I had some very good experience with Frank Smith from Newcastle, but I don´t know wether he´s still in business - for that one. The Aviation Bookshop also might still have it. And yes, it´s in a totally different class to that Kranzhoff book (I guess you have the "Flugzeuge die Geschichte machten" series book in mind). I met Joerg Armin Kranzhoff once or twice, and he´s a nice guy with a good understanding of wine (well, that´s how I judge people...), but the book is very much influenced on his (wife´s) family background, which involves Luebbe of Fokker synchronization and later Arado fame, with little additional interest in the subject. However, as already mentioned in some earlier threads by a lot of people: Alex Imrie, beside maybe also Bruno Schmaeling, must be the one guy who has done the most original research on the issue of German WW I aerial operations - he did that in Germany and at a time (from the late 50ties to the 60ties) when many of those pioneers were still alive. But sometimes (like in the Voss and LvR cases) he gets carried away. So even here one has to be somewhat careful... Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Gaston Graf Sent: 03 June 2001 21:06 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book Volker, I am off course highly interested into this book. What is its exact title and ISBN number please? Maybe I can order it through Amazon.uk. I hope it is a more reliable source than the book of Jörg Armin Kranzhoff is, which contains to many errors. best regards Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > John said: > "Subject: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book > Could someone give a recommendation on this one? Content, going price etc, > Thanks, > John Cyg." > > CONTENT: (Nearly) everything you ever wanted to know about the Dr I, great > photos (162 of them) and a Baubeschreibung copy (very reliable drawing), > plus lots of stories on the development and use of the Dr I, > sometimes maybe > going to far (Voss cowling, LvR´s upper wing yellow). But definitely the > best single source for the Dr I. > > Going price: The book originally sold at Brit. pound 16,99 (and I > bought it > at that price). It did not sell well, I guess, as it was later available > "nearly everwhere" (eg, Midland counties publications, Aviation Bookshop, > some of the bargain bookshops in London´s Charing Cross Road) for > less than > 10 pounds. Today it´s out of print?, so maybe quite near the > original price > again... > > But whatever: If you´re interested in Dr I´s, you can not do it > without this > book (IMHO) > > Volker > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:40:50 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: New rendering Message-ID: <000601c0ec3b$2f875dc0$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> Jay your work is UNREAL, literally. I really envy folks with your engineering artistic talent in the computer VERY WELL DONE!!! Tom S ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 9:24 AM Subject: New rendering > Added another awesome Jay Thompson Fokker D.VII 3-D rendering. > > > > Matt Bittner > WW1 Site Assistant Editor > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:31:48 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_New_rendering_&_Karen=B4s_Kittens?= Message-ID: Jay - great picture; the underwing lozenge looks particularly fine. I think that´s really a new way of modelling... Also just had a look at Karen´s PV 7/8 photos. Also very (VERY) nice - the "Eastchurch Kitten" always was a favorite of mine. First time I see one build. Where is that guy standing beside the machine from? looks quite nice for a number of applications. Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Matt Bittner Sent: 03 June 2001 21:28 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: New rendering Added another awesome Jay Thompson Fokker D.VII 3-D rendering. Matt Bittner WW1 Site Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:59:38 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book - another possible source Message-ID: Gaston, what I just remembered: During my recent trip to Germany I also was in the "Collectiana" bookshop in Koblenz (not far from where you live), next to the "Wehrtechnische Sammlung der Bundeswehr" Museum (some cool planes like a VAK 191 or the CCV Starfighter in there, but the OT stuff is restricted to mainly uniforms and machine guns - nonetheless a good place to see Parabellums, Maxims, Vickers, Madsens or a Becker canon or a TuF "Tank und Flieger" 13 mm MG). I might be wrong, but I think the Collectiana still had that book as well. Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Gaston Graf Sent: 03 June 2001 21:06 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book Volker, I am off course highly interested into this book. What is its exact title and ISBN number please? Maybe I can order it through Amazon.uk. I hope it is a more reliable source than the book of Jörg Armin Kranzhoff is, which contains to many errors. best regards Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:13:04 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book Message-ID: Thanks a lot for the info, Volker. Yes you are right, I had the book "Flugzeuge die Geschichte machten - Fokker Dr.1" in mind as I mentionned Kranzhoff. I bought it because it was edited by the wellknown Motorbuch Verlag which is usually a reference for first class books. There are a lot of good pictures included but unfortunately many of them are misidentified, as Dan San Abbot told me. I took many information out of that book as I write my article about developement of the airwar from the first observation flights until Garros came up with the machinegun shooting through the running prop and the following developement of the interruptor gear. Also Mr. Kranzhoff provided a drawing made by Mr. Engels of the Fokker Team Schorndorf. As soon as my time allows it to deal with my Dr.1 project I will see to get in contact with Mr. Engels as well. A Dutch visitor of my website recently told me that the Fokker company had to destroy tons of documents in the 50s and 60s due to a lack of space... Damn, its a pity! I really cannot understand why nobody was interested to save those documents. all the best Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Volker > Haeusler > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:38 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book > > > Hi Gaston, > > the book is: > > The Fokker Triplane > > Alex Imrie > > Arms & Armour Press, > > London, 1992 > > ISBN 1-85409-118-2 > > I´d try some of the British second hand bookstores first - I had some very > good experience with Frank Smith from Newcastle, but I don´t know wether > he´s still in business - for that one. The Aviation Bookshop also might > still have it. > > And yes, it´s in a totally different class to that Kranzhoff book (I guess > you have the "Flugzeuge die Geschichte machten" series book in > mind). I met > Joerg Armin Kranzhoff once or twice, and he´s a nice guy with a good > understanding of wine (well, that´s how I judge people...), but > the book is > very much influenced on his (wife´s) family background, which involves > Luebbe of Fokker synchronization and later Arado fame, with little > additional interest in the subject. > > However, as already mentioned in some earlier threads by a lot of people: > Alex Imrie, beside maybe also Bruno Schmaeling, must be the one > guy who has > done the most original research on the issue of German WW I aerial > operations - he did that in Germany and at a time (from the late 50ties to > the 60ties) when many of those pioneers were still alive. But sometimes > (like in the Voss and LvR cases) he gets carried away. So even > here one has > to be somewhat careful... > > Volker > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Gaston > Graf > Sent: 03 June 2001 21:06 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book > > > Volker, > > I am off course highly interested into this book. What is its exact title > and ISBN number please? Maybe I can order it through Amazon.uk. I > hope it is > a more reliable source than the book of Jörg Armin Kranzhoff is, which > contains to many errors. > > best regards > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > > > > > John said: > > "Subject: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book > > Could someone give a recommendation on this one? Content, going > price etc, > > Thanks, > > John Cyg." > > > > CONTENT: (Nearly) everything you ever wanted to know about the > Dr I, great > > photos (162 of them) and a Baubeschreibung copy (very reliable drawing), > > plus lots of stories on the development and use of the Dr I, > > sometimes maybe > > going to far (Voss cowling, LvR´s upper wing yellow). But definitely the > > best single source for the Dr I. > > > > Going price: The book originally sold at Brit. pound 16,99 (and I > > bought it > > at that price). It did not sell well, I guess, as it was later available > > "nearly everwhere" (eg, Midland counties publications, Aviation > Bookshop, > > some of the bargain bookshops in London´s Charing Cross Road) for > > less than > > 10 pounds. Today it´s out of print?, so maybe quite near the > > original price > > again... > > > > But whatever: If you´re interested in Dr I´s, you can not do it > > without this > > book (IMHO) > > > > Volker > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 18:04:25 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book - another possible source Message-ID: Thanks again Volcker! Speaking about the Museum in Koblenz: Do you know if they have a French 76mm artillery cannon or any German cannon on display? Do they have Spandau MGs and - most important - uniforms of Uhlans, Hussars, infantry and artillery of the time of August 1914? I definetly must go to that musuem! cheers! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Volker > Haeusler > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:18 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book - another possible source > > > > > Gaston, what I just remembered: > > During my recent trip to Germany I also was in the "Collectiana" > bookshop in > Koblenz (not far from where you live), next to the > "Wehrtechnische Sammlung > der Bundeswehr" Museum (some cool planes like a VAK 191 or the CCV > Starfighter in there, but the OT stuff is restricted to mainly > uniforms and > machine guns - nonetheless a good place to see Parabellums, > Maxims, Vickers, > Madsens or a Becker canon or a TuF "Tank und Flieger" 13 mm MG). > I might be > wrong, but I think the Collectiana still had that book as well. > > Volker > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Gaston > Graf > Sent: 03 June 2001 21:06 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Imre's Fokker Triplane Book > > > Volker, > > I am off course highly interested into this book. What is its exact title > and ISBN number please? Maybe I can order it through Amazon.uk. I > hope it is > a more reliable source than the book of Jörg Armin Kranzhoff is, which > contains to many errors. > > best regards > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 2001 09:09:03 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New rendering Message-ID: <20010603160903.8587.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Sun, 03 June 2001, "Matt Bittner" wrote: > > Added another awesome Jay Thompson Fokker D.VII 3-D rendering.> Way to go Jay!! I think you are getting very close to your photo-realism goal it's almost uncanny now how about just a little more perspective? OK - I'll make a deal with you - if you add some more perpectival distortion, I'll desaturate some of my colors :-) nice work - no kidding Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 08:55:17 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: FMP British Markings Book Message-ID: <200106031509.f53F9nq29357@mail.rapidnet.net> Barry at Rosemont has it for $62.95 USD. ... which is $94 Cdn (as of my last trip to the bank on Friday). .. £55 is $110+ Cdn. . Bob ---------- >From: David Fleming >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: FMP British Markings Book >Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2001, 4:51 am > > What price is this ellingfor in the US ? I've just seen it advertised in > the UK for £55, and wondered what the dollar price is ? > David > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 12:06:27 -0400 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz questions again Message-ID: <000d01c0ec47$2759bec0$236dd6d8@stephen> One piece of corrobortive evidence for a gray-painted interior for the Pfalz not so far alluded to came from the List discussion a year or so ago with regard to the finish in the Rolannd C. II. The photos of the interior in DF 49 clearly show a painted interior, at least of the interior skin and its framing members--stringers, longerons. If, as in the Roland, the Pfalz butt-joined skin strips were lapped with fabric (in analogy to dry-wall construction), a unifying coating with paint would have made an appropriate finish. Some six tantalizing photos in DF 21 (D.IIIa) show elements of the interior, but disappoint in being nondiagnostic, if suggestive. In the crash photo on page 28, bottom, I can only make out a fuselage stringer. Although it appears to be unpainted, this is expected as it is 'skin-side out.' The downward view into the cockpit on page 26, bottom, is so contrasty that it is impossible, at least for this viewer, to decide anything except that the floor appears to be unpainted; however, this is not surprising, even if it had originally been painted, and the same feature is, IIRC, found in the Roland interior shots. Finally, there are four photos that show some readable detail of the instrument board, the best being the full page photo on page 27. Although my vote goes for paint, the best that can be said on the basis of this view is that, if unpainted, the wood is not the darkish (mahagony?) panels seen on some Allied and Central Powers aircraft. Dale, I would appreciate receiving scans of your Pfalz construction photos, if you read this. VBR to all, Stefen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 13:11:38 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New rendering Message-ID: Thanks;-) Okokokok...so I'll use a shorter lens next time. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Mark Miller Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New rendering On Sun, 03 June 2001, "Matt Bittner" wrote: > > Added another awesome Jay Thompson Fokker D.VII 3-D rendering.> Way to go Jay!! I think you are getting very close to your photo-realism goal it's almost uncanny now how about just a little more perspective? OK - I'll make a deal with you - if you add some more perpectival distortion, I'll desaturate some of my colors :-) nice work - no kidding Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 19:16:00 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Canvas Hanger and the Nats Message-ID: I tried again today, entered the url and pressed 'option'-go (Internet explorer on Mac). Download manager opened but file was just waiting for about five minutes doing nothing, BUT, when I opened another window and just clicked on the url in Outlook express it started downloading Obviously a secret computer handshake Steve A few pictuers of teh Junkers J2 added to my website, different to those on the Internet Modeller =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: Steve Cox > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 19:49:44 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Canvas Hanger and the Nats > > I clicked on the download url but I don't get a pdf file downloaded, or > even a view on the screen. Is there a secret handshake needed?? > > Regards > Steve > > nb > =========================================== > steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html > If I didn't spend so much time on line > ‹‹ I'd get some models finished > ================ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 15:25:08 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Fiddler's Green Hangar Message-ID: I had no problem downloading the Hangar pdf. I anybody wants, just email me off list and I'll send it to you. Tom S., Thank you for doing the math! If you look up 'mathematically challenged' in the dictionary, you'll see my picture! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 20:27:53 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Mk I to MKIV Tank Colors Message-ID: <000301c0ec63$48bc6ec0$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Andrei wrote: >Hi Hans, >IMHO, 'khaki' or dark green would be the most likely color for a British tank >in service. Hans, Andrei's right. At Bovington the various WWI tanks are largely khaki or green. However, at least two are shown camouflaged in a variety of colours. There is (IIRC) a MkI in a trench attack setting that is in shades of green and brown, and (IIRC) a Mk IV (F33 The Flying Scotsman) which is daubed in combinations red brown, green and bluish grey. I don't know how "reputable" Bovington is as a museum, but based on the quality of other exhibits I would be surprised if these colour schemes are totally fictitious. So it looks like you could apply Dicta Ira quite happily. Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 00:35:24 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Mk I to MKIV Tank Colors Message-ID: <002201c0ec7d$7ae885e0$46a272d4@FRITZweb> Hi, thanks again for any contribution to my MkI / IV colour thread. I can't say much about the reputation Bovington has concerning colour schemes. But if I remember correctly, the MkI was repainted not long ago, changing from some green to camo now. And as I am thinking only the best in the first order, I presume they know what they did. BTW: You all know it, english is not my mother tongue. And english/latin is even harder to understand for me. What's the X%&§?! does this often used 'Dicta ira' mean??? Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Rayner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: RE: Mk I to MKIV Tank Colors > Andrei wrote: > >Hi Hans, > >IMHO, 'khaki' or dark green would be the most likely color for a British > tank > >in service. > > Hans, Andrei's right. At Bovington the various WWI tanks are largely khaki > or green. However, at least two are shown camouflaged in a variety of > colours. There is (IIRC) a MkI in a trench attack setting that is in shades > of green and brown, and (IIRC) a Mk IV (F33 The Flying Scotsman) which is > daubed in combinations red brown, green and bluish grey. I don't know how > "reputable" Bovington is as a museum, but based on the quality of other > exhibits I would be surprised if these colour schemes are totally > fictitious. So it looks like you could apply Dicta Ira quite happily. > > Cheers, > > Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 01:04:43 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: List Motto / was: Mk I to MKIV Tank Colors Message-ID: >From: "Hans Trauner" >BTW: You all know it, english is not my mother tongue. And >english/latin >is even harder to understand for me. What's the X%&§?! >does this often >used 'Dicta ira' mean??? Hans: Dictum in english means a dogmatic principle. Dicta is the plural. Ira is a person known to some listees who noted the main principle of modelling should be to have; hence "Dicta Ira". Presumably, the plural case is retained because it rolls of the tongue easily, or not, as the case may be. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 20:57:46 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Nats attendees Message-ID: <200106040155.SAA25908@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Here is who I have attending this year's Nats so far: Me Michael Kendix Karen Rychlewski Tom Plesha (maybe) Brent Theobald Andrei Koribanics (maybe) Eli Geher John Huggins Tom Morgan Dave Burke Steve Hustad Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:18:25 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: List Motto / was: Mk I to MKIV Tank Colors Message-ID: <2b.165afd42.284c49f1@aol.com> Hans, Dicta Ira is the list variation of "Dicta Bolcke," the basic tenets of air fighting laid down by the German ace in W.W.I (and still quoted today, I might add). Ira was always saying to have fun with your modeling, hence Dicta Ira. I don't remember who came up with it, but it was a fairly clever idea. Dicta Ira has since become the list motto and basically means whatever makes you happy is fine. Glen In a message dated 6/3/2001 8:07:38 PM EST, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: > > >BTW: You all know it, english is not my mother tongue. And >english/latin > >is even harder to understand for me. What's the X%&§?! >does this often > >used 'Dicta ira' mean??? > > Hans: > > Dictum in english means a dogmatic principle. Dicta is the plural. Ira is > a person known to some listees who noted the main principle of modelling > should be to have; hence "Dicta Ira". Presumably, the plural case is > retained because it rolls of the tongue easily, or not, as the case may be. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:22:34 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nats attendees Message-ID: Matt, you haven't been taking good notes. ;) Bob Horton and Greg Vanwyngarden will be there Friday for Greg's seminar and I will be there from Tuesday to Sunday. Any chance we can get E. Von Heretic there? Glen In a message dated 6/3/2001 8:58:40 PM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > Here is who I have attending this year's Nats so far: > > Me > Michael Kendix > Karen Rychlewski > Tom Plesha (maybe) > Brent Theobald > Andrei Koribanics (maybe) > Eli Geher > John Huggins > Tom Morgan > Dave Burke > Steve Hustad > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:36:22 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: O/100 and O/400 questions Message-ID: In a message dated 5/29/01 11:02:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, john@huggins-leahey.com writes: << I have been looking at/working on my O/400 and and have a few questions. First, I am removing all of the over wide/over done rib work on the upper surfaces of the wings, and replacing it with a much finer application. I know that the wings fold back 90 degrees. I have one set of drawings that show 45 degree cut outs on the trailing edges of the wings at the hinge points like this: || || /\ ____/ \___ A bit over done but you get the picture. The kit does not have these cut outs. Can anyone enlighten me on the proper configuration here. >> This folding area was covered by a flexible fabric deal- a kind of collapsing fan arrangement, with the gap filled in with a couple of moving ribs. It's a 0/400, but I think the 0/100 was similar. There's a shot of the way I did this feature on my 0/400 at: http://members.aol.com/karrart/avart/gal7/hpo400.htm RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 21:41:41 -0500 From: Al Superczynski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nats attendees Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:26:27 -0400 (EDT), Glen wrote: >Matt, you haven't been taking good notes. He sure hasn't. I said I'd be going the first time this question was asked....... ;-p Al ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 23:33:14 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nats attendees Message-ID: <72.b2dfda3.284c5b7a@aol.com> In a message dated 6/3/2001 9:49:12 PM EST, modeleral@up-link.net writes: > > >Matt, you haven't been taking good notes. > > He sure hasn't. I said I'd be going the first time this question > was asked....... ;-p > > Al > It's those young kids these days Al, whatcha gonna do? ;) Glen ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3412 **********************