WWI Digest 3409 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Air Speed Indicators by "dfernet0" 2) Re: Nieuport 28 guns by Jan Vihonen 3) Re: Austro-hungarian grey aircraft ? by David Fleming 4) Re: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... by David Fleming 5) Balloon Busting Movie link by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 6) Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome Get-together by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 7) Re: Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome Get-together by "Brian Nicklas" 8) WWI Boxcar by Eli Geher 9) R: WWI Boxcar by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 10) Re: WWI Boxcar by "Lee J. Mensinger" 11) Re: WWI Boxcar by "Dale Sebring" 12) RE: WWI Boxcar by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 13) Air Speed Indicators by Andreikor@aol.com 14) Barrage Balloons by Andreikor@aol.com 15) Re: Austro-hungarian grey aircraft ? by "Hans Trauner" 16) Re: More OT questions by Peter Fedders 17) Re: Austro-Hungarian Grey on Grey camouflage by "Mark Shannon" 18) Re: Austro-Hungarian Grey on Grey camouflage by "tsollers" 19) Excellent Nats news!!! by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 20) Re: Austro-Hungarian Grey on Grey camouflage by "The Shannons" 21) Re: Excellent Nats news!!! by "Michael Kendix" 22) Re: Austro-Hungarian Grey on Grey camouflage by "tsollers" 23) Re: Excellent Nats news!!! by Karen Rychlewski 24) Re: Excellent Nats news!!! by "TOM PLESHA" 25) RE: Balloon Busting Movie link by "Gaston Graf" 26) Re: Excellent Nats news!!! by "Brent Theobald" 27) New e-address by "Graham Hunter" 28) books by "TOM PLESHA" 29) Re: Air Speed Indicators by "Lee J. Mensinger" 30) A bit ot but amazingly cool by "Jay M. Thompson" 31) Re: A bit ot but amazingly cool by "TOM PLESHA" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:52:21 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Air Speed Indicators Message-ID: <009a01c0ea88$ef775180$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Jay wrote: > my guess would be test flights at low altitude over a set distance. > Time the duration, you know how fast you were going. That's sound logic and reasonable, but my theory is funnier so I'll stick to it. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:49:27 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport 28 guns Message-ID: <3B178147.AFEF5392@helsinki.fi> Diego wonders: since the size of the N28 cockpit is > rather small (I've seen one of these birds at Pensacola and I'm still > wondering how they fit a whole pilot inside) Perhaps the already mentionned Airfix pilot figures are not that inaacurate. ;-) Jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:09:44 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Austro-hungarian grey aircraft ? Message-ID: <3B179417.397E300@dial.pipex.com> Hans Trauner wrote: > > Hmmm... I wish I saw greys when I was there. If asked, I would describe the > colours as 'light ochre / cream and dark forest green (with bluish hue). I > have discussed this already with a guy who is planning a book on the Aviatik > ( Secret! Top secret). He said: "Oh! After all this time colours are > changing. " I am not sure... grey to cream, grey to green? I don't say that > there where no grey/grey AH a/c's, but the Vienna Aviatik is not grey. > > Hans Paraphrased From Gregory Alegi's original Windsock Article: The grey/grey scheme was identified from chemical analysis of the pigments on parts of 101.37 which were stored when the fighter was cut up for display. This work was done by the Austrian Federal Heritage Office, and determined that the colours were close to the folllowing RAL standards The lighter colour (ex tan) RAL 7036 Platinum grey The Darker colour (ex-green) RAL 7012 Basalt grey (FS 36081) As all of the A-H banded schemes were based on the colours of 101.37, then the discovery of this affected all those schemes. And then of course there is the three tone Lohner 10.23.......!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:10:57 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... Message-ID: <3B179461.9F1633CA@dial.pipex.com> "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Shon Howell [mailto:shonmania@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:30 PM > > > Ah, but by the same token, list the sources for AH ochre/green. > > The colours of 101.37 !! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:49:31 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Balloon Busting Movie link Message-ID: Hi Folks, Can someone point me to the url for this .mov file??? I can seem to find the earlier messages with it. Thanks! Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:53:06 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome Get-together Message-ID: Hi Folks, Just another reminder that the get-together is still planned for Sunday, June 24th at Old Rhinebeck. There are 8-10 folks who are planning on attending so far. Let either Steve DiGiacomo or myself know if you are coming, so we can arrange a time and place to meet before the show. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:07:19 -0400 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome Get-together Message-ID: I'd like to go, but still don't have my wheels back after the run in with the red-light running bast*%$. Let me know the plans just in case. And again, please wear your seat belts !! Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:48:23 -0500 From: Eli Geher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: WWI Boxcar Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010601093415.0228c5e0@mail.hiwaay.net> I recently began working with a group that is setting up a military history museum in Huntsville, Alabama. Our first WWI content arrived this week. Its an 1880 built french railroad boxcar, which has been recently restored by a local railroad enthusiast group and given to us because we can provide a roof. I don't have the date handy, but 50 of these cars were shipped from France as a gift to the states, post WWII. The whereabouts and condition of all of them are not known, but this one is in good shape. See http://www.longgreylinefarm.com/~ACMH.htm for a mediocre photo. I'll take a real camera down there one of these days and get some good pictures. Moving even a small railroad car without rails is a neat trick. My back is slooowly recovering. We still need some heavy equipment to do the final placement, on a short rail section we've assembled at the wrong end of the building. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:55:14 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: WWI Boxcar Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E9014809@SERVER1> Great ! Well done ! Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Eli Geher [SMTP:iceman1@hiwaay.net] Inviato: venerdi 1 giugno 2001 16.54 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: WWI Boxcar I recently began working with a group that is setting up a military history museum in Huntsville, Alabama. Our first WWI content arrived this week. Its an 1880 built french railroad boxcar, which has been recently restored by a local railroad enthusiast group and given to us because we can provide a roof. I don't have the date handy, but 50 of these cars were shipped from France as a gift to the states, post WWII. The whereabouts and condition of all of them are not known, but this one is in good shape. See http://www.longgreylinefarm.com/~ACMH.htm for a mediocre photo. I'll take a real camera down there one of these days and get some good pictures. Moving even a small railroad car without rails is a neat trick. My back is slooowly recovering. We still need some heavy equipment to do the final placement, on a short rail section we've assembled at the wrong end of the building. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:18:34 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWI Boxcar Message-ID: <3B17B24A.B2D7D8F9@x25.net> I think I rode in that one in 1944. Sure looked exactly the same, but, I didn't write down the Chassis number. Noticed it only mentions horses and men. Not a word about Airplanes. They travelled under better conditions to avoid damage.. Fort Rucker has the E-V./D-VIII we made over here in Texas. That's just in case you had not heard about it. Welcome to the world of bad backs. It is a Universal syndrome. Available to all "worker bees". Mine arrived in 1948. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:23:12 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: WWI Boxcar Message-ID: <001201c0eaae$c6a6c080$2cb58dd0@main> > I think I rode in that one in 1944. Sure looked exactly the same, but, I > didn't write down the Chassis number. > > Noticed it only mentions horses and men. Not a word about Airplanes. They > travelled under better conditions to avoid damage.. > > Fort Rucker has the E-V./D-VIII we made over here in Texas. That's just in > case you had not heard about it. > > Welcome to the world of bad backs. It is a Universal syndrome. Available to > all "worker bees". Mine arrived in 1948. > > Lee M. > New Braunfels, TX I totally appreciate this world Lee-1970 for me! Regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:25:12 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: WWI Boxcar Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA01824961@mail3.stratcom.mil> Looks great! However, one thing I can't tell - is it standard, or narrow gauge? Matt Bittner > -----Original Message----- > From: Eli Geher [mailto:iceman1@hiwaay.net] > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:53 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: WWI Boxcar > > > I recently began working with a group that is setting up a > military history > museum in Huntsville, Alabama. Our first WWI content arrived this > week. Its an 1880 built french railroad boxcar, which has > been recently > restored by a local railroad enthusiast group and given to us > because we > can provide a roof. I don't have the date handy, but 50 of > these cars were > shipped from France as a gift to the states, post WWII. The > whereabouts > and condition of all of them are not known, but this one is in good > shape. See http://www.longgreylinefarm.com/~ACMH.htm for a mediocre > photo. I'll take a real camera down there one of these days > and get some > good pictures. > > Moving even a small railroad car without rails is a neat > trick. My back is > slooowly recovering. We still need some heavy equipment to > do the final > placement, on a short rail section we've assembled at the > wrong end of the > building. > > Eli Geher > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:25:18 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Air Speed Indicators Message-ID: Jay wrote: Jay, Thanks for your response! That makes sense.... Diego had me going there for a little while ;) Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:40:37 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Barrage Balloons Message-ID: <62.f5e2dcc.28491175@aol.com> Tom wrote: Hi Tom, Never heard of an incident in WWI, but a similar system was used in WWII... I believe a few aircraft were taken out with them at that time. Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:52:27 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Austro-hungarian grey aircraft ? Message-ID: <004401c0eab2$dbcb83c0$caa072d4@FRITZweb> > > Paraphrased From Gregory Alegi's original Windsock Article: > > The grey/grey scheme was identified from chemical analysis of the pigments on > parts of 101.37 which were stored when the fighter was cut up for display. This > work was done by the Austrian Federal Heritage Office, and determined that the > colours were close to the folllowing RAL standards > > The lighter colour (ex tan) RAL 7036 Platinum grey > The Darker colour (ex-green) RAL 7012 Basalt grey (FS 36081) > > As all of the A-H banded schemes were based on the colours of 101.37, then the > discovery of this affected all those schemes. > > And then of course there is the three tone Lohner 10.23.......!! > Forumites, hard to believe, even when I understand now what is meant with 'grey' on this particular bird. But I still have my problems with this. RAL 7012 Basalt grey is the former standard Luftwaffe ( recent Luftwaffe!) colour which was was used with GREEN. RAL 7012 is a distinct bluish grey with definetely NO green picment. It's hard to believe that such a colour can change to a greyish GREEN, even after that time and whatever chemistry is doing. The only explanation may be a totally yellowed dope which give together with the bluish grey some sort of green and changed a real 'grey' RAL 7036 Platinum grey to a ochre. Hmmm..... Hans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:02:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Fedders To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More OT questions Message-ID: On Thu, 31 May 2001, Tom Solinski wrote: > Anyone know why/if > > > In Janes fighting Aircraft of WW-I there is a picture of "One of London's > Balloon Aprons". Three barrage balloons, each about 100 meters apart, and > hanging between each one is a wall of vertically hung ropes, about 200 > meters long. Has anyone ever heard of some poor soul actually flying into a > net like this? > Yes, Banfield in his book describes some poor bugger hitting the cables and hanging up in an Austrian raid over Venice. The Austrian (Seeflieger at least) had a great fear of there barrages over Venice. peter > TIA > Tom S > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:46:37 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Austro-Hungarian Grey on Grey camouflage Message-ID: Hans Trauner wrote: >> work was done by the Austrian Federal Heritage Office, and determined that the >> colours were close to the following RAL standards >> >> The lighter colour (ex tan) RAL 7036 Platinum grey >> The Darker colour (ex-green) RAL 7012 Basalt grey (FS 36081) >> >> As all of the A-H banded schemes were based on the colours of 101.37, then the >> discovery of this affected all those schemes. >> >> And then of course there is the three tone Lohner 10.23.......!! >> >Forumites, >hard to believe, even when I understand now what is meant with 'grey' on >this particular bird. But I still have my problems with this. RAL 7012 >Basalt grey is the former standard Luftwaffe ( recent Luftwaffe!) colour >which was used with GREEN. RAL 7012 is a distinct bluish grey with >definitely NO green pigment. It's hard to believe that such a colour can >change to a greyish GREEN, even after that time and whatever chemistry is >doing. The only explanation may be a totally yellowed dope which give >together with the bluish grey some sort of green and changed a real 'grey' >RAL 7036 Platinum grey to a ochre. Hmmm..... > >Hans Actually, these color shifts make a great deal of sense. Depending on the pigment, all these years of UV light exposure, pollution, cigarette smoke, etc in the museum would tend to take these colors to an appearance that fits with the report. Depending on pigments, many blues are very fleeting as colors - Prussian Blue and Cobalt Blue are easily damaged chemically and photolytically, Ultramarine Blue is decomposed by saline or alkaline attack - chlorine is very good at damaging these pigments, and acidic conditions are especially hard on Prussian Blue, as it makes it give off cyanide and replace it with other anions like chlorine, sulfate, sulfur, etc. that drag the color toward the orange/yellow part of the spectrum, and oxidizes the iron in the pigment to destroy the thing that makes the blue color. (What is known in chemistry as a 'charge transfer compound' - Prussian Blue is an iron cyanide complex with two irons bridged by cyanide and the two irons in two different oxidation states - one ferric, one ferrous - this creates a strong 'chromophore' as the different oxidation states are really not, the two irons sharing the odd electron in a complex molecular orbital.) If you add to that the yellowing effect of the binder decomposing, then a blue grey is going to go easily toward a gray green. Now consider the chemistry of the Black component and the White component of the color. Lampblack starts as a blue-black, but is decomposed by UV light and reacts with organic pollution (it is, after all, graphite and 'buckminsterfullerenes'), Ivory black is even less stable. The Calcium based white pigments yellow and chalk out of the mixture, again driving the blue-grey to a grey green and the combination possibly even intensifying the saturation of the color ( reducing black-white-grey effect.) I do not have an RAL chart, but the name and its position in the code list indicates that 'Platinum Grey' is a relatively light, somewhat fawn gray (tints away from the neutral toward the yellow/brown range of greys) Again, if the binder ages, nicotine and pollution yellowing occurs, and the black/white portions diminish, the most stable pigment would be any yellow ochre in the mixture. And again, the lack of the grey can intensify color range that was initially a faint tint. This kind of color migration is one I can readily believe. If you look at the 'permanence' factor for the different pigments, it is not hard to see how different colors can change. If the Basalt Grey was based on Prussian Blue (which has a blue-green nature already), which I think is likely, the analysis of the mixture would tell the restorer how much iron was in the paint, and whether the only place iron could have come from was Prussian Blue. The cyanide could leave, the carbonate of the calcium white could leave, but unless the artifact was rained on for a long part of that aging, the amounts of iron and calcium would not change. Similarly for other pigments. Since Yellow Ochre is essentially a roasted clay mineral, it is pretty stable. This kind of study is well established in the restoration business now, and I would tend to believe the results. Blue greens tend to lose Blue, turning yellow green. Yellow greens lose 'blue' also, going toward yellow. The initial paint can rather quickly change in weathering conditions to something that doesn't bear much relationship to the 'specification color'. You can see this especially if you look at railroad boxcars - I don't know the carrier liveries in Germany and the European continent, but in the US the look of 'Burlington Northern Green" and 'Santa Fe/ Chessy System Blue and Yellow' is fairly obvious when you know the colors from, say, model paints. The weathered railcars are still obviously BN, or SF, but a quick look at a fresh paint chip shows how far the colors have drifted. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:12:05 -0400 From: "tsollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Austro-Hungarian Grey on Grey camouflage Message-ID: <200106011712.f51HC7D09071@mail.bcpl.net> Mark: Excellent job explaining the fugitive nature of some pigments. I think you make a very convincing argument. You seem very knowledgeable about pigments. Are you an artist or a chemist? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:12:38 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Excellent Nats news!!! Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA0184AA2C@mail3.stratcom.mil> I just talked to Barry at Rosemont, and he's going to be at the Nats this year!!!!! While he'll be at the Combat Models tables, he'll still bring a bunch of his "stuff" to sell. This just may be the best Nats ever. :-) Okay, let's have a hand count. Who plans on going to the Nats? As long as things here don't change, I should be there... I know Hustad will be there, so we'll count him even though he's currently not on the list. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:12:23 -0500 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Re: Austro-Hungarian Grey on Grey camouflage Message-ID: <001801c0eac6$68bfd340$e63efea9@shark> I'm a chemist, by training, and a bit of an artist, by hobby. I've always been intrigued by colors and pigments, minerals in particular. It's one of my favorite parts of the hobby to find out the exact nature of the colors. .Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tsollers" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:16 PM Subject: Re: Austro-Hungarian Grey on Grey camouflage > Mark: > > Excellent job explaining the fugitive nature of some pigments. I think you > make a very convincing argument. > > You seem very knowledgeable about pigments. Are you an artist or a chemist? > > Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:26:39 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Excellent Nats news!!! Message-ID: >I just talked to Barry at Rosemont, and he's going to be at the Nats >this >year!!!!! While he'll be at the Combat Models tables, he'll still >bring a >bunch of his "stuff" to sell. > >This just may be the best Nats ever. :-) > >Okay, let's have a hand count. Who plans on going to the Nats? As >long >as things here don't change, I should be there... I know Hustad >will be >there, so we'll count him even though he's currently not on the >list. Excellent news! I will be there from Friday midday until Sunday morning, unless United Airlines decides to go on strike, in which case I'll be nailed along with numerous others I assume. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:31:48 -0400 From: "tsollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Austro-Hungarian Grey on Grey camouflage Message-ID: <200106011831.f51IVnD00871@mail.bcpl.net> Mark: Your background and experience combined with your hobby interest certainly put you in an ideal position to theorize. As an artist with limited experience of the effects of UV light on pigments, I agree with you about the true nature of these colors. The changes can be astonishing. Just look at the dust jacket spines of older books that have been exposed to diffuse daylight. The difference between the cover and spine can be extreme. Thanks for the info! Tom ---------- >From: "The Shannons" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Austro-Hungarian Grey on Grey camouflage >Date: Fri, Jun 1, 2001, 2:18 PM > > I'm a chemist, by training, and a bit of an artist, by hobby. > > I've always been intrigued by colors and pigments, minerals in particular. > It's one of my favorite parts of the hobby to find out the exact nature of > the colors. > > .Mark. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tsollers" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:16 PM > Subject: Re: Austro-Hungarian Grey on Grey camouflage > > >> Mark: >> >> Excellent job explaining the fugitive nature of some pigments. I think you >> make a very convincing argument. >> >> You seem very knowledgeable about pigments. Are you an artist or a > chemist? >> >> Tom > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 15:15:10 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Excellent Nats news!!! Message-ID: <3B17E9BD.4A1E2B3C@earthlink.net> Me too, me too!! I'll be in Chicago all week at Mother's house and the hotel. I'll extend an invitation for listee who's there Friday evening to accompany me to the BEST PIZZA in Chicago: about 3 miles from the hotel, easy drive following me down the Kennedy Expressway. Barry doesn't know it yet, but I'll use him as a 'collection point'. Contact me off-list if you want to go--might need to make reservations if the group is over 5 or 6. Also contact me off-list if there's someplace special you want to go in Chicago area, and I'll help you figure out how to get there. Here's a few helpful websites for Chicago: https://www.chicagotransitauthority.com/maps/visitor.html http://www.ci.chi.il.us/AboutTown.html http://www.ci.chi.il.us/Tourism/ThingsToDo/ http://centerstage.net/hotels/hyatt-ohare.html http://www.rrmtf.org/firstdivision/ Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:38:13 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Excellent Nats news!!! Message-ID: <001901c0ead2$66e3a2c0$d0404c0c@tom> Hi- We are trying, depends on business. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Excellent Nats news!!! > I just talked to Barry at Rosemont, and he's going to be at the Nats this > year!!!!! While he'll be at the Combat Models tables, he'll still bring a > bunch of his "stuff" to sell. > > This just may be the best Nats ever. :-) > > Okay, let's have a hand count. Who plans on going to the Nats? As long as > things here don't change, I should be there... I know Hustad will be there, > so we'll count him even though he's currently not on the list. > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:05:23 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Balloon Busting Movie link Message-ID: John, the direct URL to Roccos site is http://www.geocities.com/roccogioffre2001. It is linked to Jasta Boelcke off course. As soon as Roccos time will allow to continue working on the video he plans to complete the explosion of the balloon. Also he talked about the possibility to create a complete flight of Fokkers attacking a balloon. enjoy ;o) Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of > John_Impenna@hyperion.com > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:54 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Balloon Busting Movie link > > > > Hi Folks, > Can someone point me to the url for this .mov file??? I can seem to find > the earlier messages with it. Thanks! > > Regards, > John > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 20:15:27 -0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Excellent Nats news!!! Message-ID: Howdy! I am planning on being there. I am working feverishly so that I may bring Eric's Gotha with me. I know John Roll and Eric will also be there. So we should have a good group of vendors at least eh? Karen: I'd like to try and find a place called Peeler's. I had a really good time there the last time I visited. Unfortunately I don't remember how I got there (or leaving for that matter). Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:16:46 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: "WWI List (E-mail)" Subject: New e-address Message-ID: <002201c0ead7$c9039fa0$fa0101c0@grahamh> Hi All, My E-mail address has changed due to the local telephone monopoly buying out our internet provider. I have unsubbed my old address and resubbed the new. For those of you I have emailed off list (and any one else interested) my new address is ghunter@wpgenterprises.ca Funny thing is that they've changed the address to the company name and we will be closing our doors (as a Corp.) in a couple of years. Go figure. Sorry about the ot content of this transmission... Graham Hunter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:10:57 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: books Message-ID: <001b01c0eadf$5a938dc0$e55b570c@tom> Hi Everyone- Just excited about receiving a couple of books I had ordered: The German Giants (the german r-planes 1914-1918) Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft of WWI They look really neat. Thanks Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 16:30:02 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Air Speed Indicators Message-ID: <3B18095A.EC27409@x25.net> All regular airspeedd instruments lie a little bit. Only a Radar speed indicztion device comes closest to the truth. Everything else is an estimate. But when it's the best you can get....? You learn to live with it. No matter how rudimentary it may be. Counting the railroad ties thru a gunsight, while you click a stop watch, won't ever work...Known fact. Lee M. Andreikor@aol.com wrote: > Jay wrote: > Time the duration, you know how fast you were going. The semi-neat thing > about an instrument like that is it will inevitably read IAS, not true > airspeed, as the thinning air at altitude will deflect the gauge less even > though you're going faster.> > > Jay, > Thanks for your response! That makes sense.... > Diego had me going there for a little while ;) > > Cheers, > Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:08:02 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: WWI Mailing List Subject: A bit ot but amazingly cool Message-ID: Folks, a friend sent me this link today, saying I just had to check it out, and he was right- this is amazing. It's one of those things that's incredibly obvious (if you're a Photoshop geek) once you hear it. Basically, this guy was the photographer to the last czar, responsible for documenting Russia during the period up to 1912. What he did was shoot three separate images of each shot, each one taken through either a red, green, or blue filter. He still ends up with three black-and-white plates, but (and here's where the Photoshop geeks like Karen will already have guessed what he did), if you then project all three, passed through the same color filters you shot them with, all aligned and on top of each other, you should end up with a very good color photo. What these folks have done is scan the original plates, filter, align, and composite them in Photoshop, and you have absolutely gorgeous and accurate color photos of Russia, all from before 1912. http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:32:27 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: A bit ot but amazingly cool Message-ID: <000701c0eaea$be233880$a75c570c@tom> Thanks Jay Just beautiful!!!!! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: A bit ot but amazingly cool > Folks, a friend sent me this link today, saying I just had to check it out, > and he was right- this is amazing. It's one of those things that's > incredibly obvious (if you're a Photoshop geek) once you hear it. Basically, > this guy was the photographer to the last czar, responsible for documenting > Russia during the period up to 1912. > > What he did was shoot three separate images of each shot, each one taken > through either a red, green, or blue filter. He still ends up with three > black-and-white plates, but (and here's where the Photoshop geeks like Karen > will already have guessed what he did), if you then project all three, > passed through the same color filters you shot them with, all aligned and on > top of each other, you should end up with a very good color photo. > > What these folks have done is scan the original plates, filter, align, and > composite them in Photoshop, and you have absolutely gorgeous and accurate > color photos of Russia, all from before 1912. > > http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/ > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3409 **********************