WWI Digest 3408 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Eduard 1/48 Sopwith Baby by "Graham Hunter" 2) Air Speed Indicators by Andreikor@aol.com 3) RE: Air Speed Indicators by "dfernet0" 4) RE: Eduard 1/48 Sopwith Baby by "Paul E. Thompson" 5) RE: Nieuport Instruments/French Compass by "Nigel Rayner" 6) Pfalz' at MM by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 7) LVG C.VI from Blue Max by "Brent Theobald" 8) RE: LVG C.VI from Blue Max by "dfernet0" 9) Re: LVG C.VI from Blue Max by "TOM PLESHA" 10) Subject: RE: Eduard 1/48 Sopwith Baby by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 11) Re: Air Speed Indicators by Mark Miller 12) Re: Air Speed Indicators by "Dale Sebring" 13) RE: Nieuport Instruments by Shane Weier 14) RE: Air Speed Indicators by "Jay M. Thompson" 15) RE: Air Speed Indicators by "Jay M. Thompson" 16) Re: Nieuport Instruments by "Lee J. Mensinger" 17) Movie help by "Matt Bittner" 18) Updates by "Matt Bittner" 19) 1/32 Nie.17 & Camel FS + 1/72 Esoteric by "Karl K. Juelch" 20) OT Get Smart??? by "Tom Solinski" 21) More OT questions by "Tom Solinski" 22) June Internet Modeler by "Bob Pearson" 23) Re: More OT questions by "Lee J. Mensinger" 24) RE: Movie help by "Gaston Graf" 25) RE: June Internet Modeler by "Gaston Graf" 26) Re: More OT questions by Jan Vihonen 27) RE: June Internet Modeler by "dfernet0" 28) Nieuport 28 guns by "dfernet0" 29) RE: Nieuport Instruments by "dfernet0" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:09:01 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Eduard 1/48 Sopwith Baby Message-ID: <000501c0e9e3$a0a834c0$fa0101c0@grahamh> The post that the rudder is hinged to. It is also the rear frame member of the fin and it continues down into the tail pontoon. Graham < Just as a matter of interest, Rhinebeck's repro Caudron G-III has a very primitive air speed indicator in the form of a flat, wedge-shaped piece of metal marked with numbers (mph), mounted on a strut, and a paddle on a springy piece of metal... the wind resistance pushes the paddle back to indicate the air speed. Although I didn't question the 'crew' there, I imagine it must be somewhat 'authentic', because it would seem silly to use such a device if it never really existed... they'd just use a modern-day ASI. What REALLY perplexes me is how on earth did they figure out where to place the various speed marks? Any thoughts? Anybody desiring a pic of this device (or other photos of Rhinebeck's Caudron, just email me off-list.) Cheers, Andrei Andrei Koribanics II 8 Falcon Place Wayne, NJ 07470 USA Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378 email: andreikor@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:29:59 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Air Speed Indicators Message-ID: <006f01c0e9ee$ef8171a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Andrei! > Although I didn't question the 'crew' there, I imagine it must be somewhat > 'authentic', because it would seem silly to use such a device if it never > really existed... they'd just use a modern-day ASI. It is, specially on very early airplanes. You know wich was the very first intrument mounted in an aircraft? A small lenght of wool thread, from Orville Wright's own sweater: it was their turn/bank indicator in one of their gliders. > What REALLY perplexes me is how on earth did they figure out where to place > the various speed marks? > Any thoughts? It was very easy. First of all, they asked to the "mechanicien" on duty to produce this apparatus from metal scraps and to tie them to the nicest strut on sight. Then, the mechanicien -armed with a brush and a small can of varnish- would climb to the airplane wing, taking good care not to spoil the nice deep yellow varnish of the wing not to marr the delightful simmetry of the rigging, and the pilot would take off and search a train, whatever it's "gare" of destination. The pilot would follow the train, matching the airplane velocity with that one of the train, then the mechanicien would paint a small dot on the instrument arc where the indicator pointed. After that, and taking care of good manners, the Mechanicien would ask to the train driver (who knows if he wasn't an ancestor of our own Gaston) the kilométres per heure that the train is traveling at that same moment. Then the pilot would select another train, or even a fast voiturette, and complete a fair range of velocities in his instrument in the same manner. Simple, ain't it? D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:36:01 +0200 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Eduard 1/48 Sopwith Baby Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010531181908.00ac5100@pop.xs4all.nl> Sanjeev, At the back of many Sopwith types is what looks like a wedge cut out of the fuselage .The rudder is attached to a post that runs down the fin and continues to form the back of this slot. That's what I'm referring to. _____________________ ----------------- I I I I I I I I _________ I ----------------------------------I If the above ASCII art works, this is supposed to be the rear fuselage from the side. between the dotted lines is empty space. The right hand line is the bottom of the post. The left hand line has a curved profile. In other words, you really need to see a proper picture. On the Baby, the water-type rudder axle/strut is secured here, and has control wires attached so it can be moved. Clear as mud, but the best I can do I'm afraid. Good luck with it! Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:35:10 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Nieuport Instruments/French Compass Message-ID: <000001c0e9ef$a8988fc0$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Lots of good info in thsi thread, thanks everyone. I checked a few sources (Nie 17 DF, Osprey Nie Aces) and it appears that most 17s did not (appear to) have pitot tubes - if these are mounted, they appear on the right interplane strut. Couldn't see any venturi tubes on the French machines, but I could be wrong. Thus I'll leave out the ASI, but will try the oil pulsator - that's the trouble with the list, the AMS is infectious. Never listen to that Diego character. He's now like a little devil on my shoulder saying go on, just add a bit more detail in the cockpit..... Anothe question - I have the Eduard instruemnts set and would like to try the French compass. However, I have no idea how these were mounted (and there are no instructions). Were they floor mounted like German compasses or fixed to the cockpit sidewalls in some way? Any thoughts? Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:03:27 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Pfalz' at MM Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA018241FA@mail3.stratcom.mil> Three Roden Pfalz D.III's at Modeling Madness today: http://www.modelingmadness.com/reviews/ww1/bodilypd3.htm Nicely done!! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:29:07 -0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: LVG C.VI from Blue Max Message-ID: Howdy everyone, I sent the following email to Chris Gannon about the LVG C.VI. I am also including his response. You all might find it interesting. Brent wrote: When you say no "need to buy expensive aftermarket add ons - its all in the box!!" does that include lozenge decals for the wings? Chris Gannon replied: Sorry for the confusion, it has always been my policy to manufacture the finest Lozenge decals available anywhere in the world. Whilst some companies do provide 'free' Lozenge decals in their kits these always need replacing with authentic items. I prefer to keep the price of the kit stable and let people have the choice to purchase Lozenge decals if they so wish, after all there are no paints and glues in the kit? To include Lozenge decals in the kit comparable in quality to the ones we manufacture (remember they are all hand printed with special plasticised inks) would hike the price by about 40-50% - frankly I prefer to allow the modeller a choice, many of our customers still paint their own Lozenge. The sentence you mention refers to our quality pewter metal detail castings which on some kits you have to purchase as an extra - i.e. replacement engines, guns etc. The model in the photos was constructed solely from parts contained within the kit - no extra details. For this reason it has not even been rigged. I hope that this answers your question. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:39:39 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: LVG C.VI from Blue Max Message-ID: <00bb01c0ea01$0d2884c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I guess that Chris Gannon's comments are fair. His are very accurate models and he has some subjects no one else would do in injected plastic.If the price of the decals would make them unnafordable, I rather paint the lozenge myself. After all, it's just a 1/48 model! ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:43:18 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: LVG C.VI from Blue Max Message-ID: <000901c0ea01$990e6c20$f1434c0c@tom> Hi Brent- I like your question. The answer, well IMHO, thats called an attitude. If its 1/48, I'll probably get one anyhow. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Theobald" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:34 PM Subject: LVG C.VI from Blue Max > Howdy everyone, > > I sent the following email to Chris Gannon about the LVG C.VI. I am also > including his response. You all might find it interesting. > > Brent wrote: > When you say no "need to buy expensive aftermarket add ons - its all in the > box!!" does that include lozenge decals for the wings? > > Chris Gannon replied: > Sorry for the confusion, it has always been my policy to manufacture the > finest Lozenge decals available anywhere in the world. Whilst some > companies do provide 'free' Lozenge decals in their kits these always need > replacing with authentic items. I prefer to keep the price of the kit > stable and let people have the choice to purchase Lozenge decals if they so > wish, after all there are no paints and glues in the kit? To include > Lozenge decals in the kit comparable in quality to the ones we manufacture > (remember they are all hand printed with special plasticised inks) would > hike the price by about 40-50% - frankly I prefer to allow the modeller a > choice, many of our customers still paint their own Lozenge. > > The sentence you mention refers to our quality pewter metal detail castings > which on some kits you have to purchase as an extra - i.e. replacement > engines, guns etc. > > The model in the photos was constructed solely from parts contained within > the kit - no extra details. For this reason it has not even been rigged. > > I hope that this answers your question. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:19:23 -0500 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Subject: RE: Eduard 1/48 Sopwith Baby Message-ID: <001f01c0ea07$300553a0$3432b9cc@unionrai> Charles, "-build up the interior with model railroad HO wood shapes by acc'ing wood to the brass. Brass is used as a pattern. " Can you please elaborate on this? What HO wood shapes did you use? In the U.S. there is a distributor "Northeastern Wood" that makes scale wood in model railroad scales HO (1/87) and O gauge (1/48). I use their 2" x 2" 1/48th size shapes and glue them to the brass sides that Eduard provides in the Baby kit. So instead of the framing having a flat two-dimensional look the wood shapes give the impression of a wood framed structure. Sadly after all this interior work and detailing it's somewhat lost under the top wing. >What is "acc'ing"? thanks SSH 'Cyanoacrylate glue'; is at times refered to as ACC glue, acc'ing was my term meant to use this glue to afix the wood shapes to the brass parts. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: 31 May 2001 13:42:31 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Air Speed Indicators Message-ID: <20010531204231.25412.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Hi all Speaking of instrumetation Jay sent me this link a couple of days ago: http://www.vintageaviation.net/Parts&Accessories.htm The site is looking to sell ww1 parts, but the images are free, and very nice indeed. I think he has pictures of 6-7 different altimeters alone. check it out my apologies if this is redundant Mark Miller Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:22:16 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Air Speed Indicators Message-ID: <000501c0ea17$c56a4f80$6fb58dd0@main> > Hi all > Speaking of instrumetation > Jay sent me this link a couple of days ago: > http://www.vintageaviation.net/Parts&Accessories.htm > > The site is looking to sell ww1 parts, but the images are free, and very nice indeed. I think he has pictures of 6-7 different altimeters alone. > check it out > > my apologies if this is redundant > > Mark Miller Not that I wish to get into the "color" wars, but what is the general consensus of these lozenge items? Best regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:20:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Nieuport Instruments Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71017490FA@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Diego says: > I'm making a theory here, because I don't have absolute > knowledge on the > functioning of old avionics, but I guess that the airspeed > can be measured > as a relation of the amount of vacuum created by the > airstream thru the > Venturi tube. This would be an option. I'm *not* suggesting that this *is* the solution (because I have no idea at all about Nieuports) but no-one has mentioned that Venturis are also used to pump fuel, in which case they are normally *in* the slipstream of the propellor for fairly obvious reasons. One example I know of in an OT aircraft - Sopwith Snipe. FWIW Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:59:36 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Air Speed Indicators Message-ID: If you mean the link to the avcloth people, my take is they're, um, not very accurate, despite the research they say they've done. For one thing they don't mention 4 vs. 5-color lozenge, and another, the colors just don't come anywhere close to the fabric samples I've seen. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Dale Sebring Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 4:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Air Speed Indicators > Hi all > Speaking of instrumetation > Jay sent me this link a couple of days ago: > http://www.vintageaviation.net/Parts&Accessories.htm > > The site is looking to sell ww1 parts, but the images are free, and very nice indeed. I think he has pictures of 6-7 different altimeters alone. > check it out > > my apologies if this is redundant > > Mark Miller Not that I wish to get into the "color" wars, but what is the general consensus of these lozenge items? Best regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:59:37 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Air Speed Indicators Message-ID: Andrei, my guess would be test flights at low altitude over a set distance. Time the duration, you know how fast you were going. The semi-neat thing about an instrument like that is it will inevitably read IAS, not true airspeed, as the thinning air at altitude will deflect the gauge less even though you're going faster. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Andreikor@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:07 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Air Speed Indicators Just as a matter of interest, Rhinebeck's repro Caudron G-III has a very primitive air speed indicator in the form of a flat, wedge-shaped piece of metal marked with numbers (mph), mounted on a strut, and a paddle on a springy piece of metal... the wind resistance pushes the paddle back to indicate the air speed. Although I didn't question the 'crew' there, I imagine it must be somewhat 'authentic', because it would seem silly to use such a device if it never really existed... they'd just use a modern-day ASI. What REALLY perplexes me is how on earth did they figure out where to place the various speed marks? Any thoughts? Anybody desiring a pic of this device (or other photos of Rhinebeck's Caudron, just email me off-list.) Cheers, Andrei Andrei Koribanics II 8 Falcon Place Wayne, NJ 07470 USA Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378 email: andreikor@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:17:24 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport Instruments Message-ID: <3B16ED24.C1F4CE8E@x25.net> It took me till late this afternoon to realize what the venturi probably did. Pump Fuel. But some one else figured that out as well. Good shot Shane. I just forgot. Airspeed it easier to find by a direct differential system like the Pitot or a small spinning propeller. RPM equals speed if the pitch doesn't change. There is another device that has a small ball inside a glass tube and air causes a suction or positive pressure which raises the ball inside the tube. It is now used on Ultralites. Lee M. Shane Weier wrote: > Diego says: > > > I'm making a theory here, because I don't have absolute > > knowledge on the > > functioning of old avionics, but I guess that the airspeed > > can be measured > > as a relation of the amount of vacuum created by the > > airstream thru the > > Venturi tube. This would be an option. > > I'm *not* suggesting that this *is* the solution (because I have no idea at > all about Nieuports) but no-one has mentioned that Venturis are also used to > pump fuel, in which case they are normally *in* the slipstream of the > propellor for fairly obvious reasons. > > One example I know of in an OT aircraft - Sopwith Snipe. > > FWIW > > Shane > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:40:40 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Movie help Message-ID: <200106010138.SAA21193@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net> I'm trying to view that D.VII/balloon buster .mov, and it's telling me I don't have the right codex. Anybody know which one I need? TIA! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:43:56 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Updates Message-ID: <200106010141.SAA18629@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> I have a few updates to do to the site. However, currently I don't have the time, as work is cutting into it a bit, but more importantly I want to finish a few models. Yes, call me stingy. :-) So, I'll get to them when I can. If those of you who have sent me stuff wants them up ASAP, you may as well send them to Allan. Sorry, Al. :-) Matt Bittner WW1 Site Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:55:08 -0400 From: "Karl K. Juelch" To: WWI List Subject: 1/32 Nie.17 & Camel FS + 1/72 Esoteric Message-ID: <3B16F5F6.E2EF175E@wingnutinternational.com> Hobbycraft 1/32 Nieuport 17 and Sopwith Camel offered as a set. This is NOT the Revell 1/28 kit. Also up for sale is the slightly ot Esoteric 1/72 Douglas PD-1 biplane flying boat. For more info on these and other kits, please follow the link below. http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/wingnutinternational/ Thanks for looking! Karl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:57:53 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: OT Get Smart??? Message-ID: <002b01c0ea46$a7607260$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> Hi all, Just surfing the TV cable and was suprized to see Agent 86 in a Nieu. 28 chasing the evil KAOS agent Sigfried in a Fok. D-VII. Watch alot of these as a kid, don't remember this one though. Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:03:23 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: More OT questions Message-ID: <003301c0ea47$6c188de0$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> Anyone know why/if Why does the Nieu 28 have its guns mounted off to the left side instead symetrically on top like most of the other fighters? In Janes fighting Aircraft of WW-I there is a picture of "One of London's Balloon Aprons". Three barrage balloons, each about 100 meters apart, and hanging between each one is a wall of vertically hung ropes, about 200 meters long. Has anyone ever heard of some poor soul actually flying into a net like this? TIA Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:46:57 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <200106010345.f513jdK25831@mail.rapidnet.net> Hi all, Once again it is time for the next installment of that monthly modelling marvel - Internet Modeler. This time around we have OT content from newcomers Steve Cox and Volker Haeusler, plus stalwarts Matt Bittner and Richard Eaton. As usual point your browser towards http://www.internetmodeler.com Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:57:02 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More OT questions Message-ID: <3B17209E.15E50A4B@x25.net> The gun location may have made it easier to install the synchronous interrupters for them. I never thought to ask about it, but, being closer together would make it a bit easier. Also, having the guns closer together would make the impact of the bullets more valuable, when hitting the target, by causing a bit more concentrated damage to a small area. EG: A one foot hole is better than two or three three inch holes, or, those made by many individual bullets. A certain amount of shreddingf will occur from fragile ramains near the impact poin. I was a Machine Gunner. Learned to think like that a long time ago. It is the real reason the put the guns outboard on the wings and then "Harmonized or concentrated" them several hundred yards ahead of the plane. The convergence zone is a terrible place to be. About 40 or 50 yards either ahead of or behind that area is like a shredder. It is always possible the guns were simply placed where the designer wanted them to be. Near a fuselage strong point that has easy access. Or is that to easy an answer? Lee M. Tom Solinski wrote: > Anyone know why/if > > Why does the Nieu 28 have its guns mounted off to the left side instead > symetrically on top like most of the other fighters? > > In Janes fighting Aircraft of WW-I there is a picture of "One of London's > Balloon Aprons". Three barrage balloons, each about 100 meters apart, and > hanging between each one is a wall of vertically hung ropes, about 200 > meters long. Has anyone ever heard of some poor soul actually flying into a > net like this? > > TIA > Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:04:47 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Movie help Message-ID: What is the excact error message, Matt? It should be no problem to rightclick the link and choose "save target as" if you are working with a Windows machine. If you are working with a Mac, well I have no idea then, but maybe the other Maccies may help you with it. If you was able to download it but cannot view it, you should download and install the latest Quicktime player. You can get it here: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/. Alternatively the latest Windows Media Player should also be able to play .mov files. cheers Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Matt > Bittner > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:43 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Movie help > > > I'm trying to view that D.VII/balloon buster .mov, and it's telling me > I don't have the right codex. Anybody know which one I need? TIA! > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:44:10 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: Thanks for the info, Bob! From now on I will spread the news via the newspage of Jasta Boelcke each time a new issue of the IM will go online. Damn, why didn't I have that idea earlier...? Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Hi all, > > Once again it is time for the next installment of that monthly modelling > marvel - Internet Modeler. This time around we have OT content from > newcomers Steve Cox and Volker Haeusler, plus stalwarts Matt Bittner and > Richard Eaton. > > As usual point your browser towards http://www.internetmodeler.com > > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > Managing Editor / Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:41:38 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More OT questions Message-ID: <3B174732.F62720CB@helsinki.fi> > In Janes fighting Aircraft of WW-I there is a picture of "One of London's > Balloon Aprons". Three barrage balloons, each about 100 meters apart, and > hanging between each one is a wall of vertically hung ropes, about 200 > meters long. Has anyone ever heard of some poor soul actually flying into a > net like this? There was a mention of such an event in Raymond H. Fredettes 'The Sky on Fire'. A Gotha flew into one, cut the anchoring cables getting those vertical cables (yep, they were metal cables) on its wings but somehow manouvring managed to get rid of them and returned to its base with minor damage. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:15:54 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <005001c0ea83$d8114640$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neat issue, as always... those Taubes are a thing to behold! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:52 AM Subject: June Internet Modeler > Hi all, > > Once again it is time for the next installment of that monthly modelling > marvel - Internet Modeler. This time around we have OT content from > newcomers Steve Cox and Volker Haeusler, plus stalwarts Matt Bittner and > Richard Eaton. > > As usual point your browser towards http://www.internetmodeler.com > > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > Managing Editor / Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:43:48 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Nieuport 28 guns Message-ID: <006c01c0ea87$bdb1bb00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Tom asked: > > Why does the Nieu 28 have its guns mounted off to the left side instead > > symetrically on top like most of the other fighters? Lee wrote: > It is always possible the guns were simply placed where the designer wanted them > to be. Near a fuselage strong point that has easy access. Or is that to easy an > answer? I guess that concentration of firepower and easyness of maintenance are -as Lee pointed- an important factor. On previous Nieuport designs the guns were offset as well. Besides, the internal arrangement of the port ammo box was equilibrated by a reservoir tank in the starboard side, being all these devices outside of the girder structure containing the pilot seat and flight controls; a most convenient design, since the size of the N28 cockpit is rather small (I've seen one of these birds at Pensacola and I'm still wondering how they fit a whole pilot inside) D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:49:04 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Nieuport Instruments Message-ID: <008a01c0ea88$7a09fa60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lee wrote: > It took me till late this afternoon to realize what the venturi probably did. > Pump Fuel. But some one else figured that out as well. Good shot Shane. I > just forgot. Shane won the prize!!! I guess he is right too. > There is another device that has a small ball inside a glass tube Fuel level gauge, in the N28. I had one just like that when I used to fly a 1947 vintage Piper PA11. As I've watched in some pictures, not ass the Nieuport 28s had this level gauge. Anyway, it's easy to make even in 1/72, provided a fine lenght of clear sprue and copper wire. D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3408 **********************