WWI Digest 3406 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: more nieuport 28 questions by Crawford Neil 2) RE: more nieuport 28 questions by "dfernet0" 3) Re: more nieuport 28 questions by Jan Vihonen 4) wire wheels example by "TOM PLESHA" 5) Re: Austro-hungarian grey aircraft ? by "Hans Trauner" 6) Re: more nieuport 28 questions by "Lee J. Mensinger" 7) Re: Austro-hungarian grey aircraft ? by "Lee J. Mensinger" 8) It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... by =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= 9) re thanks by "Liefferinckx Frederic" 10) AURORA BOREALIS by Shon Howell 11) Re: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... by "Michael Kendix" 12) Re: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... by Shon Howell 13) Re: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 14) RE: more nieuport 28 questions by "dfernet0" 15) Re: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... by Shon Howell 16) Re: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... by "Lee J. Mensinger" 17) Nieuport Instruments by "Nigel Rayner" 18) RE: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 19) Re: more nieuport 28 questions by "Lee J. Mensinger" 20) Re: wire/spoked wheels by Steve Cox 21) Re: Nieuport Instruments by "Lee J. Mensinger" 22) RE: Nieuport Instruments by "dfernet0" 23) RE: more nieuport 28 questions by "dfernet0" 24) Re: Austro-hungarian grey aircraft ? by "Hans Trauner" 25) Re: wire wheels example by Steve Cox 26) Re: Shuttleworth WWI Airshow (UK only) by Steve Cox ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:53:37 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: more nieuport 28 questions Message-ID: The pump-handle goes from the middle of the pump-house straight up, and is wagged from side to side, think of a happy cat with no legs, the pump-body is the cats body, and the handle is the cats tail! I guess the compass had a fixture somewhere in the cockpit, but was removed between flights. /Neil Ps. I forgot to say that you are mad;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 30 maj 2001 13:40 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: more nieuport 28 questions > > > Thanks a lot, Neil! > Maybe the pump is like those used by the british planes, with > a "assimetric" > handle? I'll look harder in my reference pictures to see if I > can discern > it. It's amazing all the details you can discover on a single > pic once you > know what you're looking for (remember that doll on the Spad VII?). > Funny thing about the compasses... the pilots would have > carried their own > strapped on the leg or to a makeshift mount to navigate. > Thanks again! > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Crawford Neil > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:31 AM > Subject: RE: more nieuport 28 questions > > > > I found some pics in an old WW1 Aero, I'm sorry I don't > know the number ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:10:37 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: more nieuport 28 questions Message-ID: <000501c0e901$89c98b60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil wrote: > think of a happy cat with no legs, Ahhhh! that's the pet of the Airfix RE8 crew. > Ps. I forgot to say that you are mad;-) As a bloody cow! Thanks a lot for your explanations, I'll put them to good use! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:50:23 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: more nieuport 28 questions Message-ID: <3B14EC8F.95FD9B88@helsinki.fi> > Ps. I forgot to say that you are mad;-) What do you think? Guy is living on the lower side of the globe, head pointing downwards. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:43:53 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: wire wheels example Message-ID: <000501c0e916$f91aa840$49424c0c@tom> Hi Everyone- When I inquired about wire wheel construction Steve Cox was one of the respondees and suggested I view his site in the odds and end section. I did. WOW- Not only is his site and models great but he has a lengthy section on constructing wire wheels and photos of his success. WOW AGAIN. If you are interested in this you must see his site! I also printed copies to keep available for when I try to make them. thanks again, Steve Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:42:28 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Austro-hungarian grey aircraft ? Message-ID: <007201c0e91f$21fd99e0$7da272d4@FRITZweb> Volker states: > That survivor should be 101.37 from Vienna's technical museum. But why spend > the money on AMI, when the best photos you can get are already on the WW I > page: > > http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/AH/DI/index.html > > will get you to Hans Trauner's magnificient series of D I photos clearly > showing the greys. Hmmm... I wish I saw greys when I was there. If asked, I would describe the colours as 'light ochre / cream and dark forest green (with bluish hue). I have discussed this already with a guy who is planning a book on the Aviatik ( Secret! Top secret). He said: "Oh! After all this time colours are changing. " I am not sure... grey to cream, grey to green? I don't say that there where no grey/grey AH a/c's, but the Vienna Aviatik is not grey. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:48:48 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org, Crawford Neil Subject: Re: more nieuport 28 questions Message-ID: <3B151660.8E31DA1B@x25.net> The Vintage Aviation Services Nieuport 28 is a proud possession of Champlin Air Museum in Mesa, Arizona and so far as I know is presently on display at that location. It was returned to them about a year ago. The Aircraft was sent over here to Texas for the prime purpose of re-construction, re-finishing and return to Champlin. From what little I know Champlin has been sold to Boeing, and, in a while, may take two years or so, the planes will move to The Boeing Museum in Seattle. Custody here was temporary at best. I did take advantage of the visit and got several hundred photos during it's stay. I can't find a compass in there either. Looked many times. Lee M. Crawford Neil wrote: > Further I found a pic of Vintage aviation services N28 in Aeroplane Monthly > 11-99. The caption for the cockpit phot say's: > "The beautifully finished cockpit contains a single instrument, an rpm indicator" > > So you can leave out the compass with a good concience. > /Neil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > > Sent: den 29 maj 2001 12:23 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: more nieuport 28 questions > > > > > > Hi! > > Maybe you guys can help me with these questions.... > > - Where's located the Nieuport 28 compass? In any case, > > where's the compass > > on ANY nieuport figher? I can't recalll of a single picture with this > > instrument. > > > > - For those that have seen real nieuports 28 "on the flesh" > > and were more > > curious than me that forgot to look: Does the curved > > composite floor shows > > when the cockpit is seen from outside? I guess that yes, a > > little aft from > > the reserve fuel tank under the pedal foot rails... > > > > - There should be a pump inside the cockpit to pressurize the > > aforementioned > > reserve fuel tank... does anyone know how it looked like and > > where it was > > located? > > > > Je serai tres remercie > > D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:05:10 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Austro-hungarian grey aircraft ? Message-ID: <3B151A36.1C12C141@x25.net> ot but relative. Time changes all sorts of things. One of the sand finishes on U.S. WW II fighters in North Africa would turn pink from the desert sun. Luftwaffe sand shades did it also. So the initial color has lttle to do with the end product. Chemistry can do wonders with many things. When the mere touch of your hand can cause painful burns it also harms the finish on the metal or fabric.. The sand color used, on U.S. planes, in the VietNam area became a bright orange shade at high altitudes and it was even noticable in color photos. So to the eye, and, lens it was very real.. 24 extra years on WW I paint versus WW II is enough to make a lot of difference. Even color photos and prints can almost be destroyed in 20 years. Dyes are fragile at best. I recall about 40 years ago people would take Coca-Cola bottles out and bury them in the sands of the New Mexico desert. The bottles would change color and people sold them as Coca-Cola rarieties. Fraud but popular with tourists. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX Hans Trauner wrote: > Volker states: > > > That survivor should be 101.37 from Vienna's technical museum. But why > spend > > the money on AMI, when the best photos you can get are already on the WW I > > page: > > > > http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/AH/DI/index.html > > > > will get you to Hans Trauner's magnificient series of D I photos clearly > > showing the greys. > > Hmmm... I wish I saw greys when I was there. If asked, I would describe the > colours as 'light ochre / cream and dark forest green (with bluish hue). I > have discussed this already with a guy who is planning a book on the Aviatik > ( Secret! Top secret). He said: "Oh! After all this time colours are > changing. " I am not sure... grey to cream, grey to green? I don't say that > there where no grey/grey AH a/c's, but the Vienna Aviatik is not grey. > > Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:22:09 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... Message-ID: <20010530162209.4823.qmail@web3202.mail.yahoo.com> You people are something! And I thought grey A-H aircraft would be an low-interest thing... Please don't any of you take me wrong: I've been out in the wilderness for a while and I'm thanking everybody who replied to my question about the two tone gray pattern. I haven't got (yet) the WS issue but I would like to propose a discussion on this theme. A few points: - to me, it sounds anachronic: if I heard about a two-tone grey coloured fighter I would be thinking about radiation absorbing paint, ventral cockpit mirror image, low visibility markings and so on. Never WWI. - Why? probably becouse everybody at the time was using various tones in the green and brown colour families. Were the Austrians that far advanced? How is it nobody ever heard about it? - Some authors in the past 20 years have delved deep into k.ü.k. history and colours, some of them even personally interviewing the real men in the cockpit. Dr. O'Connor's work would rank as a classic in a wider discussion subject. Does he (or any other of those authors) ever mention anything like this? - Are there any official documents that we can use as reference for this colours? - Is Berg DI 101-37 the result of a restoration? If yes, who did it? If you come to Portugal, I'll show you a 15th century building that was restored with Guggenheim-like metal window frames by a famous architect...he also said it was historical. DO you remember the Prague Löhner CII restoration? - Did the "original" grey dope aquire colour when fading? The things dopes can do... - am I going slightly colour blind? Is it just me? I am ready to swallow all my doubts: make me swallow them! I just feel this goes against something I value a lot and that is common sense... Stone me to death! It would still make a wonderfull model: it must be something in the way it's dressed. Fernando Cecilio ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:23:32 +0200 From: "Liefferinckx Frederic" To: Subject: re thanks Message-ID: <004501c0e924$e157dc60$da9e043e@d6o1v9> In first, thanks to all for the news and the pictures for the austrian grey,my best thanks to dame karen for this help in the answering about the LVG and of course thanks at Shane,STeven. This aircraftis my saturday job in the Brussels museum because i work on this .Yes ,i do my best to restore this old bird and isn't easy, the first team have make many many mistake and destruction.Now iwork with 2or3 volonteer and only the saturday(when my wife is at this work). When i have time ,some pictures go on the net maybe on the site of my friend Philippe(you know.This is the other madman fron Belgium). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:25:18 -0700 From: Shon Howell To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: AURORA BOREALIS Message-ID: <3B153B0D.EF203036@earthlink.net> I thought I'd just take a moment out to thank all the list members for shimming down their collections for my little AURORA project. If anyone's curious, here's what I have planned for some of this stuff... D.H. 10A-> I now have 4 of these and at least 2 will be post war efforts, one in silver... Brisfit-> All 3 will be post war, at least one being converted to a Mk.IV. D.H.4-> all 4 will become something else. A D.H.9, D.H.9A, and a Westland Wapiti or 2 Gotha G.V-> How in the WORLD did I end up with 5 of these? Not that that's a bad thing... At least one of them will be backdated to a G.IV Fokker E.III-> Along with the Albatros C.III, 2 will join the Turkish air force. I'm taking my building a bit more seriously this year as I hope to have a least one each of the Gotha & D.H.10A project in time for MODEL FIESTA (our local modeling wing-ding). The heat is on! Thanks again! ^_^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:33:13 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... Message-ID: >From: Fernando Cecilio >You people are something! >And I thought grey A-H aircraft would be an >low-interest thing... Wrong!:) >- to me, it sounds anachronic: if I heard about a >two-tone grey coloured fighter I would be thinking >about radiation absorbing paint, ventral cockpit >mirror image, low visibility markings and so on. Never >WWI. > >- Why? probably becouse everybody at the time was >using various tones in the green and brown colour >families. Were the Austrians that far advanced? How is >it nobody ever heard about it? Well, overall grey was used on late war A-H; for example the Phönix D.III but was produced too late for action in WW1. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:01:12 -0700 From: Shon Howell To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... Message-ID: <3B154377.E55F89F5@earthlink.net> Fernando Cecilio wrote: > > You people are something! > And I thought grey A-H aircraft would be an > low-interest thing... > > Please don't any of you take me wrong: I've been out > in the wilderness for a while and I'm thanking > everybody who replied to my question about the two > tone gray pattern. > I haven't got (yet) the WS issue but I would like to > propose a discussion on this theme. > > A few points: > > - to me, it sounds anachronic: if I heard about a > two-tone grey coloured fighter I would be thinking > about radiation absorbing paint, ventral cockpit > mirror image, low visibility markings and so on. Never > WWI. Actually, as I'm told, that theater of operation was a lot of rocky basalt and as such a two toned grey scheme would make perfect sense. There was quite a flap about this when first reported in Windsock Int., but it's pretty much accepted as fact these days. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:12:52 EDT From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... Message-ID: <111.4a3f9b.28468414@aol.com> Fernando ,like you I am a cynic when it comes to questions such as this. "How come we never heared of this in eighty years" is a natural response in my book, but this one does seem to hold water. The assertion is that decades of dirt and grime have caused the greys to take on a yellow cast and that as a result one appears brown(ish) and the other green(ish) The accepted view that greens and browns were the norm has led to a misinterpretation. The cynic in me lives on and, as with the now seemingly universal belief in green/mauve/brown where previously there was only green/mauve, I am reluctant to swallow this whole on the evidence of just one documented example. (Ernest isn't the only heretic on this list) But it does have a certain logic. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:35:34 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: more nieuport 28 questions Message-ID: <009201c0e92e$ee847740$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > I can't find a compass in there either. Looked many times. Thanks a lot Lee! I have a nice compass in the PE set for the 28 but I didn't find anything on its location in my references... However, the LSM PE set on wich I'm working does not include any hint of the two ammo boxes, and they're quite evident! By the style of the instructions it seems like they based the artwork on the pictures that appear on the Nieuport 28 datafile. However the pictures on that booklet shows a restoration not as complete as that one in Texas. So I asked about the compass as I have lost confidence on that PE set. Thanks again! D. PS: Have you met Jim Landon? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:25:24 -0700 From: Shon Howell To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... Message-ID: <3B155734.92FA1A44@earthlink.net> LEONARDPeterL@aol.com wrote: > > The cynic in me lives on and, as with the now seemingly universal belief in > green/mauve/brown where previously there was only green/mauve, I am reluctant > to swallow this whole on the evidence of just one documented example. (Ernest > isn't the only heretic on this list) But it does have a certain logic. > > cheers > > Peter L Ah, but by the same token, list the sources for AH ochre/green. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:35:02 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... Message-ID: <3B153D56.FE155154@x25.net> Throw in a bit of fog or smog from the wood burning stoves and you have the greatest excuse for grey ever made. On a nice moist and calm day you could disappear in seconds. Lee M. Shon Howell wrote: > Fernando Cecilio wrote: > > > > You people are something! > > And I thought grey A-H aircraft would be an > > low-interest thing... > > > > Please don't any of you take me wrong: I've been out > > in the wilderness for a while and I'm thanking > > everybody who replied to my question about the two > > tone gray pattern. > > I haven't got (yet) the WS issue but I would like to > > propose a discussion on this theme. > > > > A few points: > > > > - to me, it sounds anachronic: if I heard about a > > two-tone grey coloured fighter I would be thinking > > about radiation absorbing paint, ventral cockpit > > mirror image, low visibility markings and so on. Never > > WWI. > > Actually, as I'm told, that theater > of operation was a lot of rocky basalt > and as such a two toned grey scheme > would make perfect sense. There was quite > a flap about this when first reported in > Windsock Int., but it's pretty much accepted > as fact these days. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:35:19 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Nieuport Instruments Message-ID: <000001c0e937$4708b540$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Neil wrote (about an N28): >Further I found a pic of Vintage aviation services N28 in Aeroplane Monthly >11-99. The caption for the cockpit phot say's: >"The beautifully finished cockpit contains a single instrument, an rpm indicator" This seems weird to me. I'm building an N17 at the moment and the Nieuports seem to have a lack of instruments - generally, it seems to be just one. I was toying with what instruments (I thought I might stretch to two) to put in mine. I thought an altimeter and a compass seemed reasonable, as any pilot would need these. Then Neil turns up the evidence that the factory fitted instrument (in an N28 but I'm assuming similar factory practices for an N17) is an rpm indicator. I'm no expert, but I would have thought this would not be much use in a rotary engined plane (at least compared to something like a compass or altimeter). So would it be sensible to assume that at least a compass would have been fitted in the field? Any thoughts, Nieuport experts? Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:42:33 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: It must be something in the way you're dressed tonight.... Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA01823AC6@mail3.stratcom.mil> > -----Original Message----- > From: Shon Howell [mailto:shonmania@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:30 PM > Ah, but by the same token, list the sources for AH ochre/green. The Gerard collection. 'Nuff said. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:48:11 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: more nieuport 28 questions Message-ID: <3B15406B.4095D19D@x25.net> Met Jim Landon last Saturday and he broght his Salmson along for us to see. Jim visited at the Kingsbury Aerodrome NW of Sequin Texas on the 26th when the Vintage Aviation Historical Foundatiom had their Spring 2001 meeting and gathering of the Clan. Had several thousand show up. The Foundation's Fokker D-VII was there but it was nude and the fuselage and such make poor photos, outside, due to brightness and poor contrast. It works better inside. The glare in the sun was terrible. Then a metallic building behind it threw all sorts of odd light on things. I have been helping Jim with his research for several years. One of my friends (George Holmes) liked Jim, and his work, so much he gave him a complete collection of Cross and Cockade U.S.A. Jim said he would pass it on to the Museum Archives after he went thru everything. Now everyone will be happy. I would have accepted it myself but I had no place to pass it on to. The places around here seem to demonstrate disdain for magazine type publications and dispose of them regardless of their true worth. You will be able to find the Instrument section on that disk as a cockpit view, but, no compass visible. If I find out otherwise I will let you know. dfernet0 wrote: > > I can't find a compass in there either. Looked many times. > > Thanks a lot Lee! I have a nice compass in the PE set for the 28 but I > didn't find anything on its location in my references... However, the LSM PE > set on wich I'm working does not include any hint of the two ammo boxes, and > they're quite evident! By the style of the instructions it seems like they > based the artwork on the pictures that appear on the Nieuport 28 datafile. > However the pictures on that booklet shows a restoration not as complete as > that one in Texas. So I asked about the compass as I have lost confidence on > that PE set. > Thanks again! > D. > PS: Have you met Jim Landon? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:48:30 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: wire/spoked wheels Message-ID: Don't get too worked up until you've tried it. It's for the serious AMS sufferers only Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: Crawford Neil > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 03:18:19 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: wire/spoked wheels > > The final version looks super. I've often meant to try it, but > never got around to it. I'm printing out your instructions to > put in the woodman book. > /Neil > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve Cox [mailto:steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk] >> Sent: den 29 maj 2001 22:26 >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: wire/spoked wheels >> >> >> I have, or something similar. Have a look on my website in >> the 'odds and >> ends' page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:51:29 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport Instruments Message-ID: <3B154131.1A580D6D@x25.net> The Rotary was sensitive to RPM and caution was required especially when diving. No way to change pitch and make it turn slowly, with lots of resistance. Lee M. Nigel Rayner wrote: > Neil wrote (about an N28): > >Further I found a pic of Vintage aviation services N28 in Aeroplane Monthly > >11-99. The caption for the cockpit phot say's: > >"The beautifully finished cockpit contains a single instrument, an rpm > indicator" > > This seems weird to me. I'm building an N17 at the moment and the Nieuports > seem to have a lack of instruments - generally, it seems to be just one. I > was toying with what instruments (I thought I might stretch to two) to put > in mine. I thought an altimeter and a compass seemed reasonable, as any > pilot would need these. Then Neil turns up the evidence that the factory > fitted instrument (in an N28 but I'm assuming similar factory practices for > an N17) is an rpm indicator. I'm no expert, but I would have thought this > would not be much use in a rotary engined plane (at least compared to > something like a compass or altimeter). So would it be sensible to assume > that at least a compass would have been fitted in the field? > > Any thoughts, Nieuport experts? > > Cheers, > > Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:42:08 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Nieuport Instruments Message-ID: <001b01c0e940$9d513ea0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hey Nigel! As i've found examining many pictures, the nieuport fighters -specially the 28- follow the tendency of non standarized cockpit arrangements... wich is good, so you can't miss the location of a bezel or a lever as in more complex modern airplanes. For instance compare these shots: http://ww1stuff.freeservers.com/cgi-bin/i/images/nieuport/nieu2802.jpg wich clearly shows an altimeter, tachometer and switch on a wooden dashboard (there's another thing on the port side but who knows what it was) http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/Nie28/drnie28_1.jpg No instrument panel! But if you look carefully, the tachometer is there and the switch cables can be discerned around there... RPM indicators were more than neccesary in those rotary engines, since they had no "throttles" but just a blip button, that on Nieuports were usually mounted atop the control column.... now, where the pilot had the trigger for the machine guns??? D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:51:34 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: more nieuport 28 questions Message-ID: <003701c0e941$ee5b97e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lee! > Met Jim Landon last Saturday and he broght his Salmson along for us to see. I bet that's a cool model! > The Foundation's Fokker D-VII was there but it was nude Yummy! ;-) > One of my friends (George Holmes) liked Jim, and his work, so much he gave him a > complete collection of Cross and Cockade U.S.A. Jim said he would pass it on > to the Museum Archives after he went thru everything. Now everyone will be > happy. Great! This Jim guy knows how to play cute, ain't he? > You will be able to find the Instrument section on that disk as a cockpit view, > but, no compass visible. If I find out otherwise I will let you know. Thanks Lee! Your pictures are the main source of documentation for my project. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:49:26 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Austro-hungarian grey aircraft ? Message-ID: <005601c0e941$a2167260$3fa072d4@FRITZweb> O.K. I took again a look, now on the web site. To be honest, I see grey's now, after Volker said 'grey'. But it's a very greenish/bluish 'grey' and a very,very ochre/creamy grey. But I understand now the 'grey' statement. Hans (Never trust your own memory?!?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volker Häusler" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:38 AM Subject: Re: Austro-hungarian grey aircraft ? > Shane said: > > > A recent issue (March-April-May 2001?)of Scale Aviation Modeller > > International has a walkaround of an Aviatik Berg survivor which has been > > (or sure looks like) restored in "serrated bands" in the two greys scheme. > > > > Shane > > > That survivor should be 101.37 from Vienna's technical museum. But why spend > the money on AMI, when the best photos you can get are already on the WW I > page: > > http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/AH/DI/index.html > > will get you to Hans Trauner's magnificient series of D I photos clearly > showing the greys. > > Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:48:32 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: wire wheels example Message-ID: Thanks for the kind words Tom (you're cheque's in the post :-) Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "TOM PLESHA" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:46:29 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: wire wheels example > > Hi Everyone- > When I inquired about wire wheel construction Steve Cox was one of the > respondees and suggested I view his site in the odds and end section. I > did. > WOW- > Not only is his site and models great but he has a lengthy section on > constructing wire wheels and photos of his success. WOW AGAIN. > If you are interested in this you must see his site! I also printed copies > to keep available for when I try to make them. > thanks again, Steve > Tom > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:48:35 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Shuttleworth WWI Airshow (UK only) Message-ID: Any other envious foreigners have any special requests for detail photos? Regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Graham Hunter" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:48:21 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Shuttleworth WWI Airshow (UK only) > > ENVY, ENVY, ENVY From Canada. I'd love to attend. Take lots of pictures so > the rest of us foreigners can enjoy second-hand what you Blokes will see > first-hand :-) > Graham H. > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3406 **********************