WWI Digest 3397 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: R: Another ESCI SE5a thread, not Daves [ was ESCI SE5a] by MAnde72343@aol.com 2) RVHP resins by Andreikor@aol.com 3) RE: Aviation art site by "Gaston Graf" 4) RE: RVHP resins by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 5) 12" Action Figures by Andreikor@aol.com 6) RE: Eduard 1/72 Albatros by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 7) Re: R: HR kits by Dennis Ugulano 8) RE: Eduard 1/72 Albatros U/C by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 9) Attn: Steve Perry by Andreikor@aol.com 10) Woodman Book by "TOM PLESHA" 11) Book excitement by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 12) making your own roundels by "Michael Kendix" 13) Re: Book excitement by MAnde72343@aol.com 14) Re: Book excitement by Karen Rychlewski 15) RE: Book excitement by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 16) Re: Attn: Steve Perry by MAnde72343@aol.com 17) Re: Woodman Book by "Dale Sebring" 18) RE: getting a bit ot / wasRe: Illegal Use Of Art by Shane Weier 19) RE: Off topic - Monty Python by Shane Weier 20) RE: Eduard 1/72 Albatros U/C by Shane Weier 21) Re: making your own roundels by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 22) RE: Woodman Book by Shane Weier 23) RE: Off topic - Monty Python by "Brian Nicklas" 24) RE: Off topic - Monty Python by Shane Weier 25) Re: making your own roundels by "Michael Kendix" 26) Re: Woodman Book again by "TOM PLESHA" 27) Re: making your own roundels by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 28) Re: Eduard 1/72 Albatros U/C by "Steven Perry" 29) RE: Eduard 1/72 Albatros U/C by "Nigel Rayner" 30) RE: Illegal use of Art by "Nigel Rayner" 31) Re: Woodman Book again by "Dale Sebring" 32) Re: Bob's concerns by "Steven Perry" 33) new junk by KarrArt@aol.com 34) New photoetch by "Matt Bittner" 35) Re: making your own roundels by "Michael Kendix" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:47:52 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: Another ESCI SE5a thread, not Daves [ was ESCI SE5a] Message-ID: <20.16f8ab0b.284002d8@aol.com> --part1_20.16f8ab0b.284002d8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Later releases had both radiators, the early one (which I have) only had the Wolsey. Merrill --part1_20.16f8ab0b.284002d8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Later releases had both radiators, the early one (which I have) only had the
Wolsey.
Merrill
--part1_20.16f8ab0b.284002d8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:51:05 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RVHP resins Message-ID: Can anyone comment on the quality of the RVHP resin Ansaldo SVA-10? Have a nice Memorial Day weekend to those who celebrate it... stop and remember. Everyone else just have a plain 'ole good weekend! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:58:27 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Aviation art site Message-ID: Fantastic! Will add a link to it at Jasta Boelcke! thanks Mark Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Got this link from Jerry Boucher > I think I've seen most of the OT stuff before > but the ot work is something new to me > very impressive - worth a look > > http://www.ne.jp/asahi/airplane/museum/Ecl-pln2.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:57:57 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: RVHP resins Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA0180062E@mail3.stratcom.mil> > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreikor@aol.com [mailto:Andreikor@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:56 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RVHP resins > Can anyone comment on the quality of the RVHP resin Ansaldo SVA-10? While I don't have that specific one, I do have their Nieuport Triplane, and it's extremely well done. However, if the SVA 10 is anything like their SVA 5, you're better off getting the Choroszy Modelbud. Superb!!! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:08:41 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: 12" Action Figures Message-ID: <8c.723e55e.284007b9@aol.com> Matt wrote: . Awesome!!! Did you see the WWI Stormtooper and Black Watch figures, too? Thanks for the link! Cheers, Andrei (who's seriously considering playing with dolls;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:10:07 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: Subject: RE: Eduard 1/72 Albatros Message-ID: I was having th esame problem with my undercarrigaes and posted a similar query to the list. I don't remember who told me this, but I think it was Lance. Remove the locator pin on the struts and drill a small hole (I used a .20" drill) through the top. Drill an accepting hole at the dents in the fuselage. Take some .20" rod and push it through the holes. Glue and trim off the excess. I used the ModelMaster glue with the needle applicator. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:12:57 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: R: HR kits Message-ID: <200105251513_MC2-D326-EC84@compuserve.com> I built the Fokker B.II and while it's a nice addition to the collection, I'm not impressed enough to buy any. The parts are thick, the ribs are way over thick, and the kit and my references did not match. Nothing to write home about. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 4/29/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:14:21 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: Subject: RE: Eduard 1/72 Albatros U/C Message-ID: Or was it .020" holes and rod? I'm not at home so I can't check, but I thinik you get my drift. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:15:22 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Attn: Steve Perry Message-ID: <8e.16124568.2840094a@aol.com> Steve Perry... you out there? Got an email I sent you kicked back... did you change addresses? Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:18:14 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Woodman Book Message-ID: <001301c0e54f$72ab9b40$7e424c0c@tom> I could not help but share my excitement of receiving The Harry Woodman book from England today. Its UNBELEIVABLE-GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:25:18 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Book excitement Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA01800660@mail3.stratcom.mil> Like Todd, I received a new book the other day I'm pretty psyched about. Bruce's older Fighters book, Vol.5, French Fighters H-M. Awesome! Now to track down Vol.4, French Fighters A-G. Does anyone know if there was a Vol.6? Matt Bittner np: The Clash ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:38:35 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: making your own roundels Message-ID: How do folks here make their own 3-colour roundels for 1/72nd scale? Cutting that very small disks from frisket seems impractical. Does the following seem practical for RFC colours using clear decal paper: 1. Spray a white disk the full size of the roundel. 2. Put a mask disc in the centre and spray blue for the outer ring. 3. Spray an entirely separate red disk and put that on top inthe middle when the above is done. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:39:17 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Book excitement Message-ID: <72.ada3a74.28400ee5@aol.com> --part1_72.ada3a74.28400ee5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I picked up vols. IV and V a couple of weeks ago, there should have been a Vol., VI, and maybe a vol. VII, because 4 & 5, only cover half the manufacturers, Nieuport Salmson and SPAD have to be in the later volumes. Merrill --part1_72.ada3a74.28400ee5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I picked up vols. IV and V a couple of weeks ago, there should have been a
Vol., VI, and maybe a vol. VII, because 4 & 5, only cover half the
manufacturers, Nieuport Salmson and SPAD have to be in the later volumes.
Merrill
--part1_72.ada3a74.28400ee5_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:43:34 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Book excitement Message-ID: <3B0EB5E6.E267114A@earthlink.net> Gee, were there any French fighters starting with N-Z? Dame Karen "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" wrote: > Like Todd, I received a new book the other day I'm pretty psyched about. > Bruce's older Fighters book, Vol.5, French Fighters H-M. Awesome! Now to > track down Vol.4, French Fighters A-G. Does anyone know if there was a > Vol.6? > > Matt Bittner > > np: The Clash ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:46:48 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Book excitement Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA01800697@mail3.stratcom.mil> > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Rychlewski [mailto:krychski@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:47 PM > Gee, were there any French fighters starting with N-Z? One or two... :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:54:48 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Attn: Steve Perry Message-ID: --part1_da.6d2d23f.28401288_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrei, Steve changed his ISP, he announced it earlier. his new address is:sperry03@tampabay.rr.com Merrill --part1_da.6d2d23f.28401288_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrei, Steve changed his ISP, he announced it earlier. his new address
is:sperry03@tampabay.rr.com
Merrill
--part1_da.6d2d23f.28401288_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:55:07 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Woodman Book Message-ID: <001101c0e554$9a12a2a0$73b58dd0@main> > I could not help but share my excitement of receiving The Harry Woodman book > from England today. > Its UNBELEIVABLE-GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Tom Tom, may I ask from whom you purchased it? TIA & Regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:47:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: getting a bit ot / wasRe: Illegal Use Of Art Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71017490B9@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael K says: > BTW, I also wrote to SRAM asking them to please mend their ways. Mike Muth says: >Still defending the public and scaring the hell out >of list members when I send them something with my stationery Does anyone else see a synnergy in these two posts ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:51:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Off topic - Monty Python Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71017490BA@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> RK comments: > It would almost be on-topic if they'ed do a Graham Chapman > figure in his > Senor Biggles suit- the one with the WW I flying helmet, > antlers and tutu! The only bit of Python that I actively dislike, mainly because the great North American masses who had no other exposure to Biggles frequently assume that the Python skit is what I'm banging on about, rather than the "real" Biggles. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:54:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Eduard 1/72 Albatros U/C Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71017490BB@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Marc says: > Or was it .020" holes and rod? I'm not at home so I can't > check, but I thinik you get my drift. Phew. I had horrible visions of filling the holes with broken off pencil stumps until you revised the hole size downwards ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:05:01 EDT From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: making your own roundels Message-ID: It's a bugger isn't it. Cutting the centre circle that small is going to be tough whichever method you choose. Would a leather punch do it? A Waldron set maybe? Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 07:01:05 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Woodman Book Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71017490BC@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Tom shares the common response: > I could not help but share my excitement of receiving The > Harry Woodman book > from England today. > Its UNBELEIVABLE-GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now why *is* it that we all react like that. Woodmans articles containing most of the book content were published in SM and Airfix Magazine over 20 years ago. The techniques used have been written about since by dozens of other later authors and at length by the listees. Some of his techniques have been overtaken by later materials. Many of his example subjects are now available in good injection kits. And yet..... I wouldn't swap, sell or give away my copy, and would recommend *any* modeller who found a copy buy it immediately - and this seems to be the common response. Sure, the book is a great source of inspiration, but it seems to be more than that - almost a modellers Holy Grail. I hope the reprint does come to fruition. Mine is getting seriously tatty, and maybe an updated version would shake loose a few second hand originals so that I could replace it :-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:17:21 -0400 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Off topic - Monty Python Message-ID: The only bit of Python that I actively dislike, mainly because the great North American masses who had no other exposure to Biggles frequently assume that the Python skit is what I'm banging on about, rather than the "real" Biggles. Shane Oh geez Shane, I'm sorry... ;-) Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 07:22:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Off topic - Monty Python Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71017490BD@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Brian, > > Oh geez Shane, I'm sorry... ;-) > So ya should be mate. There's no excuse for all this historical revisionism...... Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:35:55 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: making your own roundels Message-ID: >From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com >>It's a bugger isn't it. Cutting the centre circle that small is going >to >>be tough whichever method you choose. Would a leather punch do it? A >> >Waldron set maybe? Actually, the centre red disk is no problem because I have a mask for different sizes of those. The problem is doing the outer blue ring once the white is down. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:50:45 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Woodman Book again Message-ID: <002101c0e564$c1baa9a0$c4424c0c@tom> snip Dale asks > > Tom, may I ask from whom you purchased it? > > TIA & Regards, > Dale Hi Dale- For a couple of years now I have been posting on various web sites looking for the book. I received an inquiry a few weeks ago as to whether I'm still interested etc..... I swapped a couple of kits I could purchase in the US that were not available in England for the book. Also, I lost out bidding for one on e-bay last year in the last seconds and I had bid quite a bit. HTH Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:57:18 EDT From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: making your own roundels Message-ID: In a message dated 25/05/01 22:38:30 GMT Daylight Time, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << The problem is doing the outer blue ring once the white is down. >> Olfa circle cutter on lowtac self adhesive labels works hth Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:09:41 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Eduard 1/72 Albatros U/C Message-ID: <00d101c0e567$659aa640$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > Marc says: > > > > Or was it .020" holes and rod? I'm not at home so I can't > > check, but I thinik you get my drift. > > Phew. I had horrible visions of filling the holes with broken off pencil > stumps until you revised the hole size downwards ;-) > > Shane I use 28 ga brass wire. It will go into a # 79 or 80 bit hole which is easy to drill in the end of a gear leg. I trim mine close, less than a mm. It only takes a tiny bit of a pin to make the joint super strong when the glue sets. I use CA. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:58:02 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Eduard 1/72 Albatros U/C Message-ID: <000001c0e565$c5628680$983bedc1@w1o0t3> David asked: >Those who have done this kit - how the heck did you get the u/c to go >together ? I'm thinking on using 'instant' epoxy (It hardens in about 1 >min as opposed to 5 mins), but wondered what everyone else did ? Polystyrene cement in a tube works perfectly. Just make sure the U/C legs line up ok before you glue them on. The tube glue sets slowly, giving you plenty of time to adjust the spread, but is tacky enough to hold the legs on immediately. I just glued both legs on together, used a pair of dividers to set the width correctly and then just used the eyeballs as they dried (the u/c legs, not my eyeballs) to make sure they looked right from the front. Results are on the cookup page. Worked fine for me. Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:58:04 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Illegal use of Art Message-ID: <000101c0e565$c62bf100$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Hi gang, I just caught up on about 15 digests after a business trip. It was interesting to see the SRAM debacle unfold with the groundswell of support growing for letting them know just what we think of them. My immediate reaction was exactly that expressed by so many. If they do not make appropriate amends to Bob and Robert after being asked politely so to do, they deserve to go out of business. And I think it's right for us to exercise our consumer power in support of our friends. I was already awaiting the Staaken with anticipation and was toying with the idea of getting some of the other kits. But not now. And an email from me to this effect will be on its way to them soon. Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:53:54 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Woodman Book again Message-ID: <000701c0e565$323d2720$6bb58dd0@main> > snip > > Dale asks > > > > Tom, may I ask from whom you purchased it? > > > > TIA & Regards, > > Dale > > Hi Dale- > For a couple of years now I have been posting on various web sites looking > for the book. I received an inquiry a few weeks ago as to whether I'm still > interested etc..... > > I swapped a couple of kits I could purchase in the US that were not > available in England for the book. > > Also, I lost out bidding for one on e-bay last year in the last seconds and > I had bid quite a bit. > > HTH > Tom Hi Tom, thanks for the info. They seem difficult to find, so I'll keep looking. Regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:01:12 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Bob's concerns Message-ID: <009d01c0e566$369da5a0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > Looks like you come under the heading "some another picture" :-) What the hey Bob, send him that (in)famous photo with the guitar and legs. That ought to scare him back on the straight and narrow. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:30:54 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: new junk Message-ID: <75.1542e373.2840371e@aol.com> This may not be the most appropriate time to show a bit of new work- but here goes- these are a couple of urls to some "orphan" jpgs- these pics aren't on my site (yet), but I figured you folks get first shot at a quick, crude view. There are pretty lo-res quickies. BTW- The BE painting is really more like the detail closeup than the overall shot. RK head to: http://members.aol.com/pfalzdiii/be2.jpg http://members.aol.com/pfalzdiii/fokkd7.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:35:47 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: New photoetch Message-ID: <200105252233.PAA27774@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Although not as good as the Part set, I thought people might like to know there's another photoetch set for the Rode Gotha: http://www.hannants.co.uk/cgi-bin/search.pl?Mode=view&Database=new&R=EX7 2125 Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:37:13 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: making your own roundels Message-ID: >From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: making your own roundels >Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:16:06 -0400 (EDT) > >In a message dated 25/05/01 22:38:30 GMT Daylight Time, mkendix@hotmail.com >writes: > ><< The problem is doing the outer blue ring once the > white is down. >> > Olfa circle cutter on lowtac self adhesive labels works > >hth Peter: Thanks. I have the circle cutter. Have you tried this yourself?:). Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3397 **********************