WWI Digest 3385 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: SPAD A.2 cockpit by "Matt Bittner" 2) Re: Toko Nie.11/16 (was Re: Rosemont SPAD A.2) by "Matt Bittner" 3) Re: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 by "Matt Bittner" 4) RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 by "dfernet0" 5) RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 by "Matt Bittner" 6) Re: Toko Nie.11/16 (was Re: Rosemont SPAD A.2) by Jan Vihonen 7) RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 by Crawford Neil 8) RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 by "dfernet0" 9) Re: Toko Nie.11/16 (was Re: Rosemont SPAD A.2) by "Matt Bittner" 10) Re: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 by Jan Vihonen 11) RE: Toko Nie.11/16 (was Re: Rosemont SPAD A.2) by "dfernet0" 12) RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 by "dfernet0" 13) Spad fixture was RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 by Crawford Neil 14) RE: Spad fixture was RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 by "dfernet0" 15) RE: spad by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 16) Re: books received with source data by Jan Vihonen 17) RE: spad by Crawford Neil 18) RE: books received with source data by Crawford Neil 19) RE: spad by "dfernet0" 20) RE: spad by Crawford Neil 21) RE: Quiet Evening by Crawford Neil 22) Re: books received with source data by Jan Vihonen 23) RE: spad by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 24) RE: spad by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 25) Re: books received with source data by "Michael Kendix" 26) Languages was RE: books received with source data by Crawford Neil 27) by "Harris, Mack" 28) RE: commands by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 29) RE: by "dfernet0" 30) RE: Languages was RE: books received with source data by "dfernet0" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:12:46 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: SPAD A.2 cockpit Message-ID: <200105221010.DAA22771@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Tue, 22 May 2001 00:14:55 -0400 (EDT), Todd Hayes wrote: > Jon beat me to it. The Squadron book has a good > engine compartment and Integrale prop photo. Have you > received your Digmayer props yet? Yes. Quite wonderful. I stuck the one for the HD.3 on, and it really dresses it up. I guess I'll have to buy another for the A.2... :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:24:42 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Toko Nie.11/16 (was Re: Rosemont SPAD A.2) Message-ID: <200105221022.DAA27886@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 21 May 2001 07:30:26 -0400 (EDT), Jan Vihonen wrote: > Let me scavenge the can of worms a little bit more, then I'll shut up. > ;-) :-) > Yep, they look all extremely nice. No doubt!! > Do you think it can be corrected by cuttin the wing in two (left and > right) parts and sanding the mating surfaces to a correct angle or > inserting a plug correcting the sweepback? Or would that then call for > makin new ribs/reforming wing tips, or such? The ribs wouldn't be parallel to the line of flight, but it may be so slight as not to matter. However, you'll have to add a little bit to the center to pack out the wings for enough span. Plus the ailerons would need replacing and the tips reshaped. > Are they too long or of wrong shape? Or perhaps both? Can the plastic > parts be corrected? The interplane struts are too thick, and just don't look right, especially where they meet the lower wing. The undercarriage seems very toy like, with large accepting holes for the overscale axle. > What's wrong with turtledeck? Too low? As he said, he thought it was too deep. However, I haven't compared it, so don't really know. > Uhuh, these are easily replaced by resin/white metal renderings. Except the cowl. Look at how Alberto did it on his superbly built model. > Good, seems to be quite buildable kit. I'm planning to do Francesco > Baraccas early mount and it seems now (after Albertos post) that Macchi > built planes had plywood turtledecks, so that would justify meddling > into that part, too. I believe all Nieuports - past the 11 - had plywood turtledecks. > I wasn't too happy with the kits crank horns, either. Good to know they > have replacements. Yes, get the Tom's Modelworks for now, although something else may be coming up at a later date. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:29:11 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 Message-ID: <200105221026.DAA02894@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sat, 19 May 2001 13:30:50 -0400 (EDT), Diego Fernetti wrote: > >Well, just keep in mind how anal I am about Nieuports. :-) > > Shocking! Isn't it? :-) > I can think on swept wings (with logically aligned ribs this time please!), Yup. Plus a resized lower wing. > correctly sized tail surfaces, a cockpit fold ensemble as those for the > Albatros and fokkers, white metal or resin cabane struts, > etc. etc. Well, you can sand down the Toko/EE tail parts. Never thought of a fold up cockpit, but that's what the Part set is. Cabane struts are just too easy to make replacements for. :-) > funny, but with nieuports, there is still a lot to improve in a basically > good kit as the Revell 17. Hopefully something will be coming for that, as well. Not sure about that one, though. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:48:35 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 Message-ID: <00d201c0e2ac$c05c4a60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt! > Plus a resized lower wing. Cool. I forgot about it. > > funny, but with nieuports, there is still a lot to improve in a basically > > good kit as the Revell 17. > Hopefully something will be coming for that, as well. Not sure about > that one, though. Would Eduard hear our prayers and do a scaled down version of their french planes(nieuports, Hanriots, MoS L)? Or maybe they'll go original and do a series of 1/72 Spads? Dreaming... dreaming... D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:50:01 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 Message-ID: <200105221047.DAA18966@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Tue, 22 May 2001 06:48:57 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote: > Would Eduard hear our prayers and do a scaled down version of their french > planes(nieuports, Hanriots, MoS L)? Or maybe they'll go original and do a > series of 1/72 Spads? > Dreaming... dreaming... That would indeed be sweet. (P.S. Thanks for the image!) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:48:40 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Toko Nie.11/16 (was Re: Rosemont SPAD A.2) Message-ID: <3B0A4408.6317F4FC@helsinki.fi> Matt, > > I wasn't too happy with the kits crank horns, either. Good to know they > > have replacements. > > Yes, get the Tom's Modelworks for now, although something else may be > coming up at a later date. > I believe these are available at Rosemont Hobbies? A big merci, mon vieux. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:53:35 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 Message-ID: Talking of Spads (give me a finger and I'll take your whole arm) does anyone know what that spider-looking fixture in the middle is for? Eduard have one in their P/E set. I stuck an instument face in it for my Spad 12, the funny thing is you often see it empty. It looks like an instrument holder. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Bittner [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] > Sent: den 22 maj 2001 12:51 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 > > > On Tue, 22 May 2001 06:48:57 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote: > > > Would Eduard hear our prayers and do a scaled down version > of their french > > planes(nieuports, Hanriots, MoS L)? Or maybe they'll go > original and do a > > series of 1/72 Spads? > > Dreaming... dreaming... > > That would indeed be sweet. (P.S. Thanks for the image!) > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:58:51 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 Message-ID: <010f01c0e2ae$2fb5bbc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I wrote to Colin Adair several times about that... I got the usual response, tough... "considering for some time"... "new WW1 releases to fill the more popular subjects"... "no plans for the moment" ... "don't exclude the possibility for future releases"... yadda yadda yadda... Got the same answer -or similar- from Revell AG regarding their DH2, their Nieuport 28 (I want more!). D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:51 AM Subject: RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 > On Tue, 22 May 2001 06:48:57 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote: > > > Would Eduard hear our prayers and do a scaled down version of their french > > planes(nieuports, Hanriots, MoS L)? Or maybe they'll go original and do a > > series of 1/72 Spads? > > Dreaming... dreaming... > > That would indeed be sweet. (P.S. Thanks for the image!) > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:56:56 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Toko Nie.11/16 (was Re: Rosemont SPAD A.2) Message-ID: <200105221054.DAA17245@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Tue, 22 May 2001 06:53:40 -0400 (EDT), Jan Vihonen wrote: > I believe these are available at Rosemont Hobbies? I believe so. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:55:18 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 Message-ID: <3B0A4596.99A38EB6@helsinki.fi> > Would Eduard hear our prayers and do a scaled down version of their french > planes(nieuports, Hanriots, MoS L)? Aren't they supposed to release Hanriot/s in the True scale this year? Or maybe they'll go original and do a > series of 1/72 Spads? > Dreaming... dreaming... Yea. Wake up, man! Back to the reality. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:01:14 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Toko Nie.11/16 (was Re: Rosemont SPAD A.2) Message-ID: <011501c0e2ae$85072a00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Nope. From Tom's Modelworks own site: http://tomsmodelworks.com/ They have a fast and reliable mail service too. au revoir! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Vihonen > I believe these are available at Rosemont Hobbies? > > A big merci, mon vieux. > > Jan > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:06:50 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 Message-ID: <012301c0e2af$4d281300$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> It is, Neil. The instrument had four small holes in their bezel, and it was attached to that clasp by means of four small springs. The clasp had four small "tits" on their ends and that's how the instrument was fitted. I guess that it was used for instruments that doesn't needed piping, as watches and thermometers or such. Why they carried that in that fashion? Maybe to reduce excessive vibration from the airframe. Maybe to get loose in the worst of times, as usually happens with complicated, expensive gizmos. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:58 AM Subject: RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 > Talking of Spads (give me a finger and I'll take your whole arm) > does anyone know what that spider-looking fixture in the middle is for? > Eduard have one in their P/E set. I stuck an instument face in it for > my Spad 12, the funny thing is you often see it empty. It looks like > an instrument holder. > /Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Bittner [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] > > Sent: den 22 maj 2001 12:51 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 > > > > > > On Tue, 22 May 2001 06:48:57 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote: > > > > > Would Eduard hear our prayers and do a scaled down version > > of their french > > > planes(nieuports, Hanriots, MoS L)? Or maybe they'll go > > original and do a > > > series of 1/72 Spads? > > > Dreaming... dreaming... > > > > That would indeed be sweet. (P.S. Thanks for the image!) > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:10:38 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Spad fixture was RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 Message-ID: Yes, of course, a watch-holder. A little like car-radios that you can remove so they don't get stolen. So how do you make a serrated knob on top of the watch in 1/72 ;-) /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 22 maj 2001 13:06 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 > > > It is, Neil. > The instrument had four small holes in their bezel, and it > was attached to > that clasp by means of four small springs. The clasp had four > small "tits" > on their ends and that's how the instrument was fitted. I > guess that it was > used for instruments that doesn't needed piping, as watches > and thermometers > or such. > Why they carried that in that fashion? Maybe to reduce > excessive vibration > from the airframe. Maybe to get loose in the worst of times, > as usually > happens with complicated, expensive gizmos. > D. > ----- Original Message ----- > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:18:49 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Cc: "James Landon" Subject: RE: Spad fixture was RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 Message-ID: <014e01c0e2b0$fa0f44c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I leave that task for the loony Jim Landon, my friend! ;-) D. whose car stereo was stolen twice ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:14 AM Subject: Spad fixture was RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 > Yes, of course, a watch-holder. A little like car-radios that > you can remove so they don't get stolen. So how do you make > a serrated knob on top of the watch in 1/72 ;-) > /Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > > Sent: den 22 maj 2001 13:06 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: RE: Nieuport parts RE: Rosemont SPAD A.2 > > > > > > It is, Neil. > > The instrument had four small holes in their bezel, and it > > was attached to > > that clasp by means of four small springs. The clasp had four > > small "tits" > > on their ends and that's how the instrument was fitted. I > > guess that it was > > used for instruments that doesn't needed piping, as watches > > and thermometers > > or such. > > Why they carried that in that fashion? Maybe to reduce > > excessive vibration > > from the airframe. Maybe to get loose in the worst of times, > > as usually > > happens with complicated, expensive gizmos. > > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:35:55 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: spad Message-ID: Frederic, I have to check, but as far as I remember those Spads did not reach Poland at all. A Polish military mission negotiated purchase of USAS Spads during a height of Polish-Bolshevik war, but the negotiations failed. I cannot recall reasons, but it was probably because of American reluctancy toward being engaged in any of Eastern European wars. Instead of them Poles managed to buy a few old and worn Spad VIIs in France. Majority of them had been manufactured by de Marcay, and thus carried four color scheme (no black blotches), while remaining carried typical five color scheme. Later some Spad XIIIs were bought in late summer of 1920, but they were ex-French machines as well. During overhauls and repairs upper surfaces of those planes were used to be repainted with solid dark green color. Apart from French Spads Polish forces used a couple of ex-Russians Spad VIIs captured in 1917 and 1918. They were finished in "jaune claire" scheme, and probably one of them had wings covered with Austro Hungarian sworl (swirled?) fabric. Tomasz -----------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A------- 7 stowek za kartke pocztowa!!! http://kartki.interia.pl/konkurs/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:38:58 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: books received with source data Message-ID: <3B0A4FD2.1FD818B4@helsinki.fi> > Correct, I think. Hungarian and Finnish are Urgo-Turkic languages; perhaps > they both have ancestoral/language ties to the Huns and the east. Neither > of these are Celtic (or Rangers) languages - that would be the languages > such as Gaelic (in Ireland and Scotland - though they're different, I > think), Breton and Welsh. Let me be a bit specific; Hungarian and Finnish are Fenno-Ugric languages, and as far as I know have no relationship with Huns, who were Turkic people (I think) and thus spoke Altaic languages. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:40:16 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: spad Message-ID: Is there a picture of the "sworl" Spad Tomasz? That sounds like a real fun model. /Neil from French Spads Polish forces used a couple of > ex-Russians Spad VIIs > captured in 1917 and 1918. They were finished in "jaune > claire" scheme, and > probably one of them had wings covered with Austro Hungarian sworl > (swirled?) fabric. > > Tomasz > > > -----------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A------- > 7 stowek za kartke pocztowa!!! > http://kartki.interia.pl/konkurs/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:47:22 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: books received with source data Message-ID: They also speak "Fenno-Ugric" in Estland, how about the other baltic countries, I think Lettland but not Lithuania, not sure. Is it true that there is a similar language in India, Jan? Finnish sure is a weird language, there's hardly a word the same as any other language. /Neil > Let me be a bit specific; Hungarian and Finnish are Fenno-Ugric > languages, and as far as I know have no relationship with > Huns, who were > Turkic people (I think) and thus spoke Altaic languages. > > Jan > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:52:09 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: spad Message-ID: <02e801c0e2b5$a1d32060$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> IIRC It was flown by an ancestor of Austin Powers. Groovy, Baby! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil Is there a picture of the "sworl" Spad Tomasz? That sounds > like a real fun model. > /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:54:12 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: spad Message-ID: Austin Spad fighter! /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 22 maj 2001 13:53 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: spad > > > IIRC It was flown by an ancestor of Austin Powers. > Groovy, Baby! > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Crawford Neil > Is there a picture of the "sworl" Spad Tomasz? That sounds > > like a real fun model. > > /Neil > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:59:38 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Quiet Evening Message-ID: Yes miss him, he was always starting things. Another missing person is Dave Burke, he was supposed to be unsubbed for last weekend, but he's been gone all week. That could explain the relative quiet on the list. Anyone heard from him? /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: MAnde72343@aol.com [mailto:MAnde72343@aol.com] > Sent: den 22 maj 2001 07:15 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Quiet Evening > > > > --part1_3a.154d87f1.283b4ea1_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Although I've occasionally been "PO'd" at him I miss Ernest, > I know he'll be > back, when he's through with exams, but is it just me, or are > things less > lively and more quiet without him? Just a thought. > Merrill > > --part1_3a.154d87f1.283b4ea1_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Although I've > occasionally been "PO'd" at him I miss Ernest, I know he'll be >
back, when he's through with exams, but is it just me, or > are things less >
lively and more quiet without him? Just a thought. >
Merrill
> > --part1_3a.154d87f1.283b4ea1_boundary-- > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:05:25 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: books received with source data Message-ID: <3B0A5604.92B6F8BD@helsinki.fi> Neil, > They also speak "Fenno-Ugric" in Estland, That's right. I can understand it to some extent but not much. Whereas Hungarian is totally ununderstandable to me. how about the other baltic > countries, I think Lettland but not Lithuania, not sure. They are both, AFAIK, west-slavic (i.e. Indo-European) languages. Is it true > that there is a similar language in India, Jan? Finnish sure is a weird > language, there's hardly a word the same as any other language. Well, there are some common words with Sanskrit (e.g. Finnish 'vasara', Sanskrit 'vasra' or hammer) But no, I don't think there is a language similr to Finnish in India. To bring this back OT; do you know of any RFC/RAF Spad (whatever the type) decal sets in 1/72 scale? Jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:06:37 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: spad Message-ID: > IIRC It was flown by an ancestor of Austin Powers. Bwahahaha! ROTFL! Good shot Diego, as always. :o) Tomasz -------R--E--K-------------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A------------------------- Solowa plyta Krzysztofa Cugowskiego. 12 przebojowych kawalkow. Odwiedz http://rozrywka.interia.pl/cugowski/ i wygraj zestaw Hi-Fi! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:13:13 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: spad Message-ID: > Is there a picture of the "sworl" Spad Tomasz? That sounds > like a real fun model. I mean Spad which was captured in the Eastern Front and refurbished in Lwow in 1919. It was first Spad posessed by Polish aviation (not counting those machines which had been captured in 1917 by rebelling Polish forces in Russia after fall of Kerensky government), and therefore was marked with a badge "SPAD1". It is known that wing fabric was replaced in Lwow by Polish ground crew, and because of their lack of experience the application was done improperly. During a maiden flight Spad crashed killing Polish wwi ace Mieczyslaw Garsztka. After crash examination revealed that replacement fabric had teared off during a maneuver. There is an only one poor photo of the crash site. Unfortunately it has been taken at the wrong angle and only a fuselage is visible clearly enough. Anyhow it seems that wings did carry something resembling sworl camouflage. As an argument supporting the theory I can bring the fact, that during wwi Lwow's airbase was one of important Austro Hungarian bases, where a lot of AH aircraft and spare parts were captured by Poles. Thus presence of sworl fabric in replacement stocks would be very probable. It could be noteworthy that Poles used several Oeffag built Albatros D.IIIs, which carried sworl camouflage as well. Tomasz -------R--E--K--L--A--M--A------- 7 stowek za kartke pocztowa!!! http://kartki.interia.pl/konkurs/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:17:04 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: books received with source data Message-ID: >From: Todd Hayes > >My original post said Austro-German dialect. >Hungarian (Magyar) has no related languages in Europe. > It's the same with Basque and Finnish. I know it's >ot, but one thing I thought was really funny was when >someone tried to tell me (years ago) that Hitler had a >hard time learning to speak German because he was >Austrian born! Only if he had a speach impediment >from birth!! Please everyone, let's not turn this >into a thread since it is so far ot. Todd: Not so off topic since we all confront research that is written in different languages to our own. For example, I have the Farman F-40 book in Romanian, which, to my surprise is a little like French; it's a ROMance language. In addition, I have books in Russian. French and German texts abound. As you say, Basque is unrelated to other languages. Not so for Hungarian, which is in the Uralic family, and a somewhat distant cousin of Estonian and Finnish, as well as some other Siberian languages. Please see: http://www.krysstal.com/langfams.html#isolates Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:37:19 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Languages was RE: books received with source data Message-ID: And here's some more tit-bits for language enthussiasts: Brasilians understand Italian Dutch and Flemish Belgians understand Swedish quite well, Swedes can understand Dutch nearly as well as we can understand Danish, which is pretty poorly. We can understand written Danish easily but not spoken. Icelandic we can just about read. Norwegian we understand quite well, but have slight difficulty reading. Finnish not a word, but culturally we are identical. Not very OT I'm afraid, but this kind of stuff fascinates me. Some of the Russian-Serbian connections are very OT, in fact part of the cause of WW1 /Neil > Todd: > > Not so off topic since we all confront research that is > written in different > languages to our own. For example, I have the Farman F-40 > book in Romanian, > which, to my surprise is a little like French; it's a ROMance > language. In > addition, I have books in Russian. French and German texts abound. > > As you say, Basque is unrelated to other languages. Not so > for Hungarian, > which is in the Uralic family, and a somewhat distant cousin > of Estonian and > Finnish, as well as some other Siberian languages. Please see: > > http://www.krysstal.com/langfams.html#isolates > > Michael > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:40:33 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'World War I'" Message-ID: What's the command for getting your own posts back? Tia Mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:46:09 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: commands Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA017BBF54@mail3.stratcom.mil> > What's the command for getting your own posts back? set wwi mail ack Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:50:54 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Message-ID: <034201c0e2bd$d7175220$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> send to wwi-requests a message with the lines SET MAIL ACK and nothing on the title line D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Harris, Mack To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:44 AM > What's the command for getting your own posts back? > Tia > Mack > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:54:09 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Languages was RE: books received with source data Message-ID: <034c01c0e2be$4b367e60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil wrote: > Brasilians understand Italian I understand italian. We used to talk with Roberto Gentilli each on his own language and we understood each other pretty well. I have just one book in romaninan, and to my surprise, I was able to decipher it bit by bit. It's somehow related to french, but nothing to do with spanish. > Not very OT I'm afraid, but this kind of stuff fascinates me. Me too! I wish I would learn Gaelic (irish) since I like how strange it looks written. D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3385 **********************