WWI Digest 3374 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Breguet 14Bs by "TOM PLESHA" 2) CSM Gotha by "Brad & Merville" 3) RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II by "Jay M. Thompson" 4) Re: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II by "Bob Pearson" 5) BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps by "Bob Pearson" 6) Re: Tiny maps by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 7) RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II by "Jay M. Thompson" 8) OT Book alert by "Tom Solinski" 9) Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps by "Brad & Merville" 10) Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps by "Matt Bittner" 11) Re: OT Book alert by Shon Howell 12) Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps by "Bob Pearson" 13) Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps by "Bob Pearson" 14) RE: Yippee by "Ray Boorman" 15) Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps by "Matt Bittner" 16) Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps by "David Calhoun" 17) RE: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps by "Jay M. Thompson" 18) Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps by "Bob Pearson" 19) Anzani 3 cyl by Shane Weier 20) Re: Tiny maps by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 21) Re: help by Karen Rychlewski 22) Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps by Morg17ms@aol.com 23) RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II by "Gaston Graf" 24) Re: Caudron G.3 and G4 kits by Karen Rychlewski 25) Re: help by Witold Kozakiewicz 26) RE: help by "dfernet0" 27) RE: help by Crawford Neil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:27:11 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Breguet 14Bs Message-ID: <002301c0dd96$91b58840$88744c0c@tom> Hi- SAMI has a build article in the Volumn 6 Issue 6 June 2000. In the magazine there is a page of color photos of a Breguet 14A2, there is also 6 page Aeroplanatomy of same by Harry Woodman. There is only 1 (one) photo of the left side of the Renault 12fcx engine. HTH Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:24:18 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: CSM Gotha Message-ID: <007a01c0dd96$2af97bc0$1b895ad1@default> Woo Hoo! Eric's Gotha has invaded Canada and it *is* a beaut! There's not much I can add to what's already been said but I'd like to emphasize the impressiveness of the scope and quality of this kit. The drawings and instructions provided could be a publication on their own. Particularly excellent are the figures. Finally, some decent, realistic, sitting figures with helmet and goggles. The quality and detail are first rate. I think I'll do the German crew first then, perhaps, if I have them standing about staring at me each day they will eventually brow beat me into building their Gotha. Thanks Eric. Brad (how was that Eric? Do I get the free figure you promised?) ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:10:04 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II Message-ID: Ok, I did a Du Doch Nicht version of my DVII, and I went to Dan-San for the skinny. He's done more research and came up with another photo that showed the things that were missing. Suffice it to say the article in the Anthology is less than accurate (he concludes what was the white stripe on the turtledeck is a book under Udet's arm?). DDN was an early Fokker-built DVII. The red and white candy stripes on the upper wing continue to the upper wing's undersurface. The lower wing was four-color lozenge with typical Fokker lozenge-fabric rib tapes. All struts were red, as were the wheels. Now we get to the turtledeck, and according to Dan-San's new photo, there were not two stripes as most profiles show, but the two white chevron stripes on the horizontal tail join to make a single wide white stripe running up the turtledeck. The entire fuselage (other than that stripe) was red, except for Udet's typical "Lo!" marking in honor of his fiancée. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Gaston Graf Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 3:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II Although I do not own the Fokker Anthology yet I can tell you that I have a picture of Udet standing at his famous D.VII where one can see the white stripe continuing on the turtle deck. The picture was taken from the German edition of his book. The line is visible in the gap between his body and right arm. Also linked to this page is the beautiful color profile of this aircraft made by Bob Pearson. If you do not own Bobs profile collection of CD yet it is a good occasion to oder it NOW! Details about Bobs CD and more color profiles of Udets aircraft are off course available at http://www.jastaboelcke.de. Click on ACES --> Ernst Udet --> goto chapter 8 THE END. For info about Bobs CD click on the ARTWORK button. btw: the person who made the photograph of Udet wasn't much skilled in the usage of a camera since half of Udets head is missing :o). Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) > > Ladies and Gentlemen, > I have just got my FokAnth II copy. BTW the homepage service form Albatros > works well and fast! Welcome in the 21th century, Ray! > > I read the article on Udet's D VII, but I am not sure if I cant > trust these > lines. I always thought that those white stripes on the > turtledeck are state > of the art now. > > Help my brain: Wasn't there a discussion about this article? > Wrong or right, > my Fokker? > > Thanks > Hans > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:05:23 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II Message-ID: <200105152306.f4FN6gK58572@mail.rapidnet.net> I stand by my profile of it as accurate for the day I did it. ... my thoughts change so much on that, Voss' cowl, PC10 that I've taken up Flower arranging for stress relief. My profile was based on Dan-San Abbott's drawings. For those who are unaware of these, he does two-three view b/w drawings of all the markings of a particular aircraft. These were my original inspiration to do colour profiles to see what they looked like Bob ---------- >From: "Jay M. Thompson" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II >Date: Tue, May 15, 2001, 4:48 pm > > Ok, I did a Du Doch Nicht version of my DVII, and I went to Dan-San for the > skinny. He's done more research and came up with another photo that showed > the things that were missing. > > Suffice it to say the article in the Anthology is less than accurate (he > concludes what was the white stripe on the turtledeck is a book under Udet's > arm?). > > DDN was an early Fokker-built DVII. The red and white candy stripes on the > upper wing continue to the upper wing's undersurface. The lower wing was > four-color lozenge with typical Fokker lozenge-fabric rib tapes. All struts > were red, as were the wheels. Now we get to the turtledeck, and according to > Dan-San's new photo, there were not two stripes as most profiles show, but > the two white chevron stripes on the horizontal tail join to make a single > wide white stripe running up the turtledeck. The entire fuselage (other than > that stripe) was red, except for Udet's typical "Lo!" marking in honor of > his fiancée. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Gaston Graf > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 3:27 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II > > Although I do not own the Fokker Anthology yet I can tell you that I have a > picture of Udet standing at his famous D.VII where one can see the white > stripe continuing on the turtle deck. The picture was taken from the German > edition of his book. The line is visible in the gap between his body and > right arm. Also linked to this page is the beautiful color profile of this > aircraft made by Bob Pearson. If you do not own Bobs profile collection of > CD yet it is a good occasion to oder it NOW! Details about Bobs CD and more > color profiles of Udets aircraft are off course available at > http://www.jastaboelcke.de. Click on ACES --> Ernst Udet --> goto chapter 8 > THE END. For info about Bobs CD click on the ARTWORK button. > > btw: the person who made the photograph of Udet wasn't much skilled in the > usage of a camera since half of Udets head is missing :o). > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > >> >> Ladies and Gentlemen, >> I have just got my FokAnth II copy. BTW the homepage service form Albatros >> works well and fast! Welcome in the 21th century, Ray! >> >> I read the article on Udet's D VII, but I am not sure if I cant >> trust these >> lines. I always thought that those white stripes on the >> turtledeck are state >> of the art now. >> >> Help my brain: Wasn't there a discussion about this article? >> Wrong or right, >> my Fokker? >> >> Thanks >> Hans >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:29:11 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps Message-ID: <200105152330.f4FNU9K59993@mail.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, Well, it looks as if I will soon have an Alps printer thanks to the generosity of various listees. I don't know if you all want your names mentioned, so I shall just thank you all collectively and say that one of the aforementioned printers is flying north as we speak and I should have it in the near future. If I can get it to work, Chris and I plan to market decals under the CBRNP name and have already planned our first ot releases (Flower gunshields to replace those in the Revell kit).. HOWEVER, the point of the listees contributing was to get decals that we all really want. .. so as a thank you to those who contributed .. what should got on the first OT sheet? Serials? Weight tables? Lift Here logos? Also remember that I can do decals of any artwork that has appeared in Pfalz, the British book or recent OTF rear covers.... no idea on prices, but they will be reasonable. Regards, Bob Pearson The Rockies are a BIG mountain range here.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:47:35 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Tiny maps Message-ID: <75.14b6f0f3.28332827@aol.com> In a message dated 5/15/2001 3:16:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, artzulick@ptd.net writes: << or me, detailing. In that regard, any idea on how to put a small map on the observer's board, or whatever it was they used to keep things flat? >> Mike just use some stick glue, it works fine and does not wrinkle the paper all up. Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:36:34 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II Message-ID: Hey no criticism intended Bob;-) Dan-San did indeed also have it as two stripes. He's now found a photo that shows it as one, and he made it a single stripe for a special 1/32 3 view he did for a client just recently, and he's redone his standard 8x11 3 view this way also (I have a copy of this one). When I was asking him about it, he told me that I was the first person after this client he'd told that to. I told him I'd be happy to do my DDN with two stripes, as I thought he might want to write an article or some such showing the results of his new research, but he said don't worry about it. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Bob Pearson Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II I stand by my profile of it as accurate for the day I did it. ... my thoughts change so much on that, Voss' cowl, PC10 that I've taken up Flower arranging for stress relief. My profile was based on Dan-San Abbott's drawings. For those who are unaware of these, he does two-three view b/w drawings of all the markings of a particular aircraft. These were my original inspiration to do colour profiles to see what they looked like Bob ---------- >From: "Jay M. Thompson" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II >Date: Tue, May 15, 2001, 4:48 pm > > Ok, I did a Du Doch Nicht version of my DVII, and I went to Dan-San for the > skinny. He's done more research and came up with another photo that showed > the things that were missing. > > Suffice it to say the article in the Anthology is less than accurate (he > concludes what was the white stripe on the turtledeck is a book under Udet's > arm?). > > DDN was an early Fokker-built DVII. The red and white candy stripes on the > upper wing continue to the upper wing's undersurface. The lower wing was > four-color lozenge with typical Fokker lozenge-fabric rib tapes. All struts > were red, as were the wheels. Now we get to the turtledeck, and according to > Dan-San's new photo, there were not two stripes as most profiles show, but > the two white chevron stripes on the horizontal tail join to make a single > wide white stripe running up the turtledeck. The entire fuselage (other than > that stripe) was red, except for Udet's typical "Lo!" marking in honor of > his fiancée. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Gaston Graf > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 3:27 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II > > Although I do not own the Fokker Anthology yet I can tell you that I have a > picture of Udet standing at his famous D.VII where one can see the white > stripe continuing on the turtle deck. The picture was taken from the German > edition of his book. The line is visible in the gap between his body and > right arm. Also linked to this page is the beautiful color profile of this > aircraft made by Bob Pearson. If you do not own Bobs profile collection of > CD yet it is a good occasion to oder it NOW! Details about Bobs CD and more > color profiles of Udets aircraft are off course available at > http://www.jastaboelcke.de. Click on ACES --> Ernst Udet --> goto chapter 8 > THE END. For info about Bobs CD click on the ARTWORK button. > > btw: the person who made the photograph of Udet wasn't much skilled in the > usage of a camera since half of Udets head is missing :o). > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > >> >> Ladies and Gentlemen, >> I have just got my FokAnth II copy. BTW the homepage service form Albatros >> works well and fast! Welcome in the 21th century, Ray! >> >> I read the article on Udet's D VII, but I am not sure if I cant >> trust these >> lines. I always thought that those white stripes on the >> turtledeck are state >> of the art now. >> >> Help my brain: Wasn't there a discussion about this article? >> Wrong or right, >> my Fokker? >> >> Thanks >> Hans >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:04:31 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: OT Book alert Message-ID: <016001c0dda4$2a5718e0$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> Hey all! Just got back from the local Barnes & Noble and they had Jane's fighting aircraft of WW-I, Jane's fighting shipof WW-I and pictures of of WW-I all for less than $16.00 YMMV Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:20:43 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps Message-ID: <000601c0dda6$9e4f9860$9c885ad1@default> Camel B6401 Naval 3 colours in 1/28! Meyers' Bulldog in 1/28! Please,..... please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, ...... (oh, and bullet patches, roundels and crosses, all scales) -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps >Greetings all, > >Well, it looks as if I will soon have an Alps printer thanks to the >generosity of various listees. I don't know if you all want your names >mentioned, so I shall just thank you all collectively and say that one of >the aforementioned printers is flying north as we speak and I should have it >in the near future. > >If I can get it to work, Chris and I plan to market decals under the CBRNP >name and have already planned our first ot releases (Flower gunshields to >replace those in the Revell kit).. HOWEVER, the point of the listees >contributing was to get decals that we all really want. .. so as a thank you >to those who contributed .. what should got on the first OT sheet? Serials? >Weight tables? Lift Here logos? > >Also remember that I can do decals of any artwork that has appeared in >Pfalz, the British book or recent OTF rear covers.... no idea on prices, but >they will be reasonable. > >Regards, > Bob Pearson > >The Rockies are a BIG mountain range here.. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:31:13 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps Message-ID: <200105160128.SAA04620@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 15 May 2001 20:33:29 -0400 (EDT), Bob Pearson wrote: > If I can get it to work, Chris and I plan to market decals under the CBRNP > name and have already planned our first ot releases (Flower gunshields to > replace those in the Revell kit).. HOWEVER, the point of the listees > contributing was to get decals that we all really want. .. so as a thank you > to those who contributed .. what should got on the first OT sheet? Serials? > Weight tables? Lift Here logos? NIEUPORT MARKINGS!!!! As if there was anything else... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:33:26 -0700 From: Shon Howell To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT Book alert Message-ID: <3B01F505.A936AA99@earthlink.net> HALF PRICE BOOKS has PILES of this one for $13.00 Remainders, I believe. Tom Solinski wrote: > > Hey all! > > Just got back from the local Barnes & Noble and they had > Jane's fighting aircraft of WW-I, Jane's fighting shipof WW-I and pictures > of of WW-I all for less than $16.00 > > YMMV > Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:36:22 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps Message-ID: <200105160040.f4G0eXK63483@mail.rapidnet.net> > Camel B6401 Naval 3 colours in 1/28! too much work > Meyers' Bulldog in 1/28! Hasn't someone else done it? > Please,..... please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, > ..... > (oh, and bullet patches, roundels and crosses, all scales) Use 1/144, or 1/288 decals Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:37:10 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps Message-ID: <200105160040.f4G0eZK63491@mail.rapidnet.net> > > NIEUPORT MARKINGS!!!! > > As if there was anything else... Why, its not like you actually build them :-) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:44:39 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Yippee Message-ID: Mark It seems Flowers of one scale or another are affecting a few of the list members;) Btw if you get too realistic with the Castor oil, I would forgo breakfast if I was you ;). It can be quite ahem messy and I'm sure your pilots seat-computer chair doesnt have a relief tube...... Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Mark > Vaughan-Jackson > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:20 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Yippee > > > Well I am now officially having a good week!! > > First, I actually managed to get most of my work done early! > Second my 1:72 scale Flower Class Corvette arrived. (Utterly > scrumptious if ot) > > And, > to make this post at least somewhat OT, my copy of Red Baron 3d arrived. > > At last a chance to climb back into the cockpit and go down in a blaze of > vickers and/or spandaus! > > Life is definitely good. > > MVJ > (scurrying away to fondle a big ship for a while and then sit in front of > the computer for eight hours or so listening to rotaries and engaging in > dogfights. I may even put a bowl of castor oil next to the fan in my > computer room for added realism ;-) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:05:22 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps Message-ID: <200105160203.TAA21349@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Tue, 15 May 2001 21:44:05 -0400 (EDT), Bob Pearson wrote: > Why, its not like you actually build them :-) :-P``` ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:13:49 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps Message-ID: <014801c0ddc6$fee41f00$7be23ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Bob, How about Barker's Camel? Also Rickenbacker's Nieuport 28 with white 12 markings & Liberty Loan posters? In 1/48 of course! Dave Calhoun ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:01:24 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps Message-ID: * Meyers' Bulldog in 1/28! Hasn't someone else done it? If someone wants to "roll their own" I have high-res artwork of the bulldog marking that I made for the rendering of Meyer's DVII. Contact me off-list and I can send it along, but you'd have to scale it down to the correct size. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Bob Pearson Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps > Camel B6401 Naval 3 colours in 1/28! too much work > Meyers' Bulldog in 1/28! Hasn't someone else done it? > Please,..... please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, > ..... > (oh, and bullet patches, roundels and crosses, all scales) Use 1/144, or 1/288 decals Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:33:38 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps Message-ID: <200105160134.f4G1YnK66069@mail.rapidnet.net> Stripes are a pain to lay out, so someone would have to give me a kit to lay them out on :-) otherwise it would just be the serial and hearts. The liberty poster is a possibility some time down the road. decisions, decisions. . before we get too carried away, I have to be sure it is compatible with my Mac (its coming from a Mac system, so it should be fine) Bob ---------- >From: "David Calhoun" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps >Date: Tue, May 15, 2001, 7:16 pm > > Hi Bob, > How about Barker's Camel? > Also Rickenbacker's Nieuport 28 with white 12 markings & Liberty Loan > posters? In 1/48 of course! > Dave Calhoun > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:41:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: Anzani 3 cyl Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101749054@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hi all, I've just been looking at some photographs I took (years ago) of the 3 cylinder Anzani engine on the Australian War Memorials ex-AFC 1912 Deperdussin military monoplane. I'm surprised to discover that after years of believing (without ever checking of course - duh) the darn thing to be a tiny rotary, it is in fact a 3 cylinder *radial* engine - the crank case is firmly bolted to the tiny firewall so the only way this baby was going to spin was if the whole airframe spun with it - an unlikely event since contemporary records show it never did have enough power to actually fly and was used instead as a ground handling trainer. You learn something new every day in this hobby! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:43:30 -0500 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Tiny maps Message-ID: > Mike wonders: > >"...how to put a small map on the observer's board, or whatever it >was they used to keep things flat?" > >The small maps temselves can come from Verlinden or any of the >companies that have printed matter for larger scale dioramas. There >are all sorts of useful maps, documents and forms for the 1/35 scale >crowd. > >Many of these can be sliced down for smaller scales, and I did this >for my Brandenburg - not just the maps, but the forms on the >clipboard and a snap-shot tucked into a convenient niche. Good ideas all, but you can always find a picture of any map you like, scan it in at full size, then print it at the percent reduction you want to get the size you need. Print it on light weight paper for folded maps, or do it on heaver bond for non folded types. You could also place the map on a photo of the board, place the hold down devices, add the attachment hardware, crop the whole image and either reduce it or print it at a reduced size as needed. The same thing holds for letters, photos, or anything else that is made of paper and found its way into a cockpit. John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:54:17 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: help Message-ID: <3B0207F9.3B913CC4@earthlink.net> Hi Frederic A belated welcome to the list from West Virginia, US (look on the map southwest of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) The book "Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War One" has a page of photographs of Renault engines: a 190 hp V8, a 300 hp, and 450 hp V12. Is one of these the one you are looking for? If so, I can scan the pictures and send them to you as JPEGs if you like. Your reference to the Royal Army Museum in Brussels jolted some brain cells. I will certainly agree with your recommendation to visit this museum; it may not be as well known as some others but they have some really unusual planes. Several years ago, I was in Amsterdam and took a day trip to Brussels by train for the sole purpose of seeing the museum. When I arrived, I was told no pictures were allowed and that the balcony where all the WWI planes were was closed. I found one woman who spoke some English and explained how and why I had come there. I managed to squeeze out one tear as I tried to look desperately disappointed--and it worked. They let me onto the balcony and I had several hours, just me and the planes, to take many photos (which I had to swear never to publish). Bless their hearts, those kind Belgians, for letting a strange American lady wander among the biplanes. Karen Liefferinckx Frederic wrote: > where i can find a drawing or a pictures of the renault V12 for a Breguet > XIVb2;because without this motor i can't continue my breguet from hig tech. > For the enthousiat... come in Bruxelles in the Musée royale de lArmée there > we have : > 1-the soleNieuport23c1survivor > 2-the last Halberstadt CV > 3the two motor of a Gotha GV or GVa > 4 etc etc etc.......... > > and the best beer of the world. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:05:14 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BC Rockies, no wait .... Alps Message-ID: How about some prop and strut logos - one sheet would probably do a life time's worth! I need some Airco strut logos for my 1:48 DH2 some time in the next month....hint, hint! Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:20:11 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II Message-ID: > > Suffice it to say the article in the Anthology is less than accurate (he > concludes what was the white stripe on the turtledeck is a book > under Udet's > arm?). > I think that even on the low res picture at my website one can clearly see that there is no book under Udets arm so I wonder how one can have such idea. Maybe the picture he looked at was of a very poor reproduction? I must say the the quality of pictures in the old original books is very very good. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:18:42 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 and G4 kits Message-ID: <3B020DB1.12C32472@earthlink.net> Hi Alberto Just noticed a 1/72 HR Caudron G.3 on the VAMP website... Karen Alberto Casirati wrote: > How many of them still available? And how good are they? > Of course, I know of Rosemont's very nice G.3, as well as of Phoenix Models > G.4, but what about others ? Any in 1/48th scale ? > > Thanks very much in advance, > > Alberto Casirati > > via Stezzano n. 7/a > 24052 Azzano S.Paolo (BG) > ITALY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:22:57 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: help Message-ID: <3B0238E1.F08620BD@bg.am.lodz.pl> Liefferinckx Frederic napisa³(a): > > For the enthousiat... come in Bruxelles in the Musée royale de lArmée there I was in Bruxelles last year and I had really bad luck. The Musee was closed. For only one day and this had to be that day :-((( Maybe next time. > and the best beer of the world. I really love your white beer Hoegarden (spelling?) -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:01:19 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "ww1 list" Subject: RE: help Message-ID: <005001c0ddef$281a2c20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Frederic! Go to http://ww1stuff.freeservers.com/engine.htm#renault maybe not the exact same engine, but useful for modelling purposes. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Liefferinckx Frederic To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: help > where i can find a drawing or a pictures of the renault V12 for a Breguet > XIVb2;because without this motor i can't continue my breguet from hig tech. > For the enthousiat... come in Bruxelles in the Musée royale de lArmée there > we have : > 1-the soleNieuport23c1survivor > 2-the last Halberstadt CV > 3the two motor of a Gotha GV or GVa > 4 etc etc etc.......... > > and the best beer of the world. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:24:29 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: help Message-ID: I had the same experience, only I was lucky enought to be able to go back the next year. It's well worth a visit. One of the nicest museums in Europe, especially because the machines aren't desperately over-restored as in some museums. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Witold Kozakiewicz [mailto:witk@bg.am.lodz.pl] > Sent: den 16 maj 2001 10:28 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: help > > > Liefferinckx Frederic napisa³(a): > > > > For the enthousiat... come in Bruxelles in the Musée royale > de lArmée there > > I was in Bruxelles last year and I had really bad luck. The Musee was > closed. For only one day and this had to be that day :-((( > Maybe next time. > > and the best beer of the world. > > I really love your white beer Hoegarden (spelling?) > > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3374 **********************