WWI Digest 3373 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) British Bleriot SPAD? by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 2) Re: Tiny maps by "Lance Krieg" 3) RE: British Bleriot SPAD? by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 4) RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II by "Gaston Graf" 5) Digest Mode...(How to?) by Dave & Kimmy Sterner 6) help by "Liefferinckx Frederic" 7) Re: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II by "Lance Krieg" 8) RE: A couple of questions.... by "Graham Hunter" 9) Caudron G.3 and G4 kits by "Alberto Casirati" 10) ot R/C Help by "Brent Theobald" 11) Nieuport Kit? by "Brent Theobald" 12) RE: help by "Gaston Graf" 13) Re: Water-colour wash by "Laskodi" 14) Re: Caudron G.3 and G4 kits by "Lance Krieg" 15) Re: Halberstadt CL.II Cockpit by Morg17ms@aol.com 16) Re: Caudron G.3 and G4 kits by Peter Fedders 17) Re: My Snipe -- Don't Buy A Digital Camera! by David Fleming 18) Re: British Bleriot SPAD? by David Fleming 19) Re: Tool question by "Lee J. Mensinger" 20) RE: Halberstadt CL.II Cockpit by Shane Weier 21) Congrats Brent! by Andreikor@aol.com 22) RE: I'm Back - What'd I miss? by Shane Weier 23) RE: help by Shane Weier 24) RE: Tool question by "Jay M. Thompson" 25) Re: Junkers Question-loz and drab by Steve Cox 26) Re: help by "TOM PLESHA" 27) Re: Junkers Question-loz and drab again by "TOM PLESHA" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:54:18 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: British Bleriot SPAD? Message-ID: <000b01c0dd78$d5204610$7037183f@cyrixp166> Well, I suppose the solid engine vent panel is not proof positive, but I have never seen this feature in a French built machine. Cyg. Yes, I like the Nieuport too, but I try not to say the "N" word too much lest I wake up that Bittner guy. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: David Fleming To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Halberstadt CL.II Cockpit > John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > > > Looks like a British Bleriot might have been used operationally after > > all..... > > > > http://www.geocities.com/tgenth/pley12.jpg > > > > Regards, > > Cyg. > > Huh ? have I missed something ? > > BTW, look at picture pley11.jpg - very nice RFC Nieuport. Love those cowl > stripes. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:06:29 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Tiny maps Message-ID: Mike wonders: "...how to put a small map on the observer's board, or whatever it was they used to keep things flat?" The small maps temselves can come from Verlinden or any of the companies that have printed matter for larger scale dioramas. There are all sorts of useful maps, documents and forms for the 1/35 scale crowd. Many of these can be sliced down for smaller scales, and I did this for my Brandenburg - not just the maps, but the forms on the clipboard and a snap-shot tucked into a convenient niche. To hold maps, I have seen four prototypical approaches, depending on the plane: 1. A scroll, mounted horizontally or vertically. 2. A cellon pouch, through which the map can be seen 3. Metal spring clamps, in the form of wire or bars, to hold a map to a flat surface, or merely to stow it in a single seater when not in use. 4. Elastic tapes over the corners of a board, again to hold the map flat. In the last three examples, the map was folded to reveal the appropriate locale, and stuck in place for a quick glimpse. A number of single seaters had pockets or clips to STORE maps, but they had to be removed for the pilot to view. How he would accomplish this, in the slip-stream with his gloves and goggles on, seems problematic. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:12:47 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: British Bleriot SPAD? Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA0176F158@mail3.stratcom.mil> > -----Original Message----- > From: John & Allison Cyganowski [mailto:janah@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 3:08 PM > Yes, I like the Nieuport too, but I try not to say the "N" > word too much > lest I wake up that Bittner guy. :-) Zzzzzz...eh? Huh? Whassat? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:22:53 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II Message-ID: Although I do not own the Fokker Anthology yet I can tell you that I have a picture of Udet standing at his famous D.VII where one can see the white stripe continuing on the turtle deck. The picture was taken from the German edition of his book. The line is visible in the gap between his body and right arm. Also linked to this page is the beautiful color profile of this aircraft made by Bob Pearson. If you do not own Bobs profile collection of CD yet it is a good occasion to oder it NOW! Details about Bobs CD and more color profiles of Udets aircraft are off course available at http://www.jastaboelcke.de. Click on ACES --> Ernst Udet --> goto chapter 8 THE END. For info about Bobs CD click on the ARTWORK button. btw: the person who made the photograph of Udet wasn't much skilled in the usage of a camera since half of Udets head is missing :o). Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) > > Ladies and Gentlemen, > I have just got my FokAnth II copy. BTW the homepage service form Albatros > works well and fast! Welcome in the 21th century, Ray! > > I read the article on Udet's D VII, but I am not sure if I cant > trust these > lines. I always thought that those white stripes on the > turtledeck are state > of the art now. > > Help my brain: Wasn't there a discussion about this article? > Wrong or right, > my Fokker? > > Thanks > Hans > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:26:03 -0700 From: Dave & Kimmy Sterner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Digest Mode...(How to?) Message-ID: <3B0190DB.D51889F4@mediaone.net> Hello Esteemed Modellers, How do I switch to digest mode? The FAQ on the web site is not available right now (?) and the Help file has nothing about switching to digest mode. Thanks in advance for the help and thanks for all the fun lurking this list has been to me. Dave #??? Sterner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:24:48 +0200 From: "Liefferinckx Frederic" To: Subject: help Message-ID: <004101c0dd7d$1a7687c0$e79e043e@d6o1v9> where i can find a drawing or a pictures of the renault V12 for a Breguet XIVb2;because without this motor i can't continue my breguet from hig tech. For the enthousiat... come in Bruxelles in the Musée royale de lArmée there we have : 1-the soleNieuport23c1survivor 2-the last Halberstadt CV 3the two motor of a Gotha GV or GVa 4 etc etc etc.......... and the best beer of the world. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:26:08 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Udet's Fokker in Fokker Anthology II Message-ID: Hans remembers: " Wasn't there a discussion about this article?" I recall so many discussions about this plane and those lines I can no longer recall where they came from. WWIAero has certainly discussed it, along with several other places, and I believe that DS Abbott has promulgated his theories in a number of places. Certainly the red/black discussion has appeared here. Personally, I've never been able to see any folder or paper under his arm, and don't see how that can be anything BUT a stripe. I wish they'd never taken that picture, personally... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:40:20 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: A couple of questions.... Message-ID: <001c01c0dd7f$42bc5dc0$fa0101c0@grahamh> > > Can anyone comment on the Sierra 1/48 scale Fokker D-VII > kit? > The Sierra 1/48 Fokker DVII is quite good. Is the Sierra 1/48 D.VII still available? Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:30:57 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Caudron G.3 and G4 kits Message-ID: <000901c0dd7e$1dc8f1a0$fc0e623e@s> How many of them still available? And how good are they? Of course, I know of Rosemont's very nice G.3, as well as of Phoenix Models G.4, but what about others ? Any in 1/48th scale ? Thanks very much in advance, Alberto Casirati via Stezzano n. 7/a 24052 Azzano S.Paolo (BG) ITALY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:47:44 -0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: ot R/C Help Message-ID: Howdy! A friend of mine wants to learn how to R/C fly. As I recall there were some list members in the Dallas area that flew over by highway 121. Could one of you contact me off list? Thanks! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:50:30 -0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Nieuport Kit? Message-ID: Howdy! I mailed a Tom's Modelworks Nieuport 10 (?) kit right before I left for Korea. I forgot exactly who I sent it to. My problem is I haven't found the check that person was going to send me. Could that person contact me and let me know if the check hasn't been mailed or should I keep looking thru the stack of mail? Thanks! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:54:50 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: help Message-ID: > For the enthousiat... come in Bruxelles in the Musée royale de > lArmée .......... Cool! But you forgot to mention that the best den of French Fries of all of Belgium is also there at the market place in the center :o) - tested and certified. > > and the best beer of the world. > > Ehmmm.... NoNoNo... The best beer in the world can be found here: http://www.bofferding.lu But we are not against sharing the number one place with our Belgian friends indeed :o). I love your monks beers, especially St. Feuillins. à ta santé mon ami ;o) Gaston - not la Gaffe but Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:11:50 -0700 From: "Laskodi" To: "WWI List Post" Subject: Re: Water-colour wash Message-ID: <001901c0dd83$a94fafc0$193819d0@f4hn201> <<>> The colors that worked were a sepia and paynes grey. Both were a very old Windsor & Newton tube that is no longer available. None of the new Windsor & Newton "Cotman" brand worked. My advanced age got me here! None of my new tubes worked (regardless of brand)! <<>> Yes. If Future is not fully cured it will turn "milky". I always wait AT LEAST 24 hours before doing any thing atop Future! <<>> I am not touching this one! DON'T USE THIS. Yes it is both toxic and a fire hazard! HTH --------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:15:27 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 and G4 kits Message-ID: Alberto asks: "Any in 1/48th scale ?" Regretably, none in plastic. AJP Maquettes has both, I think, in brass, and Metropolitan once had a G.3 in 1/24 as a multimedia kit. HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:27:29 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Halberstadt CL.II Cockpit Message-ID: Tomasz, I too would like more info on the Cl.II - please include photos of the forward instrument panel, the observer's seat, the observer's floor detail, the 'bulkhead' between the two seat positions, and any side panel details from the observer's cockpit. Appreciatively, Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:32:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Fedders To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 and G4 kits Message-ID: Alberto AJP makes a 1/48 Caudron G3, Caudron G4, and a Caproni in 1/48. But they have a brass skeleton and are made to be covered in paper - although I covered my Caudrons in thin plastic. peter On Tue, 15 May 2001, Alberto Casirati wrote: > How many of them still available? And how good are they? > Of course, I know of Rosemont's very nice G.3, as well as of Phoenix Models > G.4, but what about others ? Any in 1/48th scale ? > > Thanks very much in advance, > > > Alberto Casirati > > via Stezzano n. 7/a > 24052 Azzano S.Paolo (BG) > ITALY > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:48:09 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: My Snipe -- Don't Buy A Digital Camera! Message-ID: <3B0179E8.5DABBF39@dial.pipex.com> "Jay M. Thompson" wrote: > You have a website Dave? If so, I think I've seen that shot of the Albatros, > and it was well done. Uber photo-manipulation geeks MIGHT notice some things > that give it away, but I think the vast majority would be completely fooled > and you could probably sell prints as unpublished DV photos;-) > > If that shot I saw somewhere wasn't yours, then someone else had the exact > same idea. > > Mmmm do I detect a little chain pulling here ? I only wish (a) my models were good enough and (b) my Photoshop skills matched (And my PC had enough memory..) Sadly, I'm limited to the old 'heads on funny bodies' routine at present. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:24:58 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: British Bleriot SPAD? Message-ID: <3B019EA9.1D6235FA@dial.pipex.com> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > Well, I suppose the solid engine vent panel is not proof positive, but I > have never seen this feature in a French built machine. > > Cyg. > Oh Duh ! I was thinking Bleriot as in monoplane !! > > Yes, I like the Nieuport too, but I try not to say the "N" word too much > lest I wake up that Bittner guy. :-) > > - ooops too late !! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:58:19 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org, neil.Crawford@volvo.com Subject: Re: Tool question Message-ID: <3B01A67B.9790EA5F@x25.net> Reference the question about Rheostats. I use a foot control made by Foredom as well as the Dremel table model. Foredom's is different. A lot different. The Foredom device is an extremely stable speed control since it has almost no moving parts. It is not a "normal" Rheostat as we have come to know them. It is a carbon pile made up of carbon wafers. The resistance varies with the pressure on the pile using a small pressure pad about 20 mm by 30mm and it rises about 15-20mm above the case. The harder you press the less resistance, in the pile, to impede the flow of electricity. No springs, no cams and almost no movement at all. It is difficult to explain how much precision can be gotten with this fool thing but it does work, and, it works extremely well. At the moment I would not even say they still make and sell the device. But I will say it is very, very good at what it was designed to do. Lee M. Crawford Neil wrote: > And I was feeling pretty rich getting a Dremel, how little I know! > /Neil > Ps. I will have a look at the Dremel catalogue and my financial > status tonight. > > > This is where the more expensive Foredam is superior, I believe. > > > > Lance > > > > Lance > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:01:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Halberstadt CL.II Cockpit Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C710174904A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP and Diego both ask Tomasz for: > > Shots of both front and rear cockpits looking back as well as > frontwards. ...and I add "downwards". Cockpit floors tend to be quite visible, and I've too often had to extrapolate the form of the floor from the position of openings beneath with no real idea of the true shape of any doors/covers/camera mounts above them. ...and the turtledeck in front of the pilot. Often a bit mysterious due to the wing covering the interesting bits! ;-) Have at it then Tomasz! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:07:16 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Congrats Brent! Message-ID: Congrats on your award, Brent... nice to hear! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:29:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: I'm Back - What'd I miss? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C710174904C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Brent, > I've been off list since Friday morning. Did I miss anything good? The place looks like an axe murderer has been visiting. In reality, the constant flow of excellent model photos to the site has kept Diego le Chopper very busy > I went to a small contest in Oklahoma City. I was surprised > to win a first > for pre-1936 aircraft with my 1/72 Albatros D.V. Expect a visit........ Shane (Congratulations Lefty ;-) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:42:42 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: help Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C710174904D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Frederic asks: > where i can find a drawing or a pictures of the renault V12 > for a Breguet > XIVb2;because without this motor i can't continue my breguet > from hig tech. Help me someone - were there engine photos in the Scale Aviation Modeller International issue which had the walkaround photos? Or am I thinking of something entirely different? > For the enthousiat... come in Bruxelles in the Musée royale > de lArmée I wish..... > and the best beer of the world. Possibly, and am certainly willing to drink a great deal of it in an effort to discover whether you're correct ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:59:34 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Tool question Message-ID: I have the Dremel with the separate foot switch, and although I've never used the Foredom, I've yet to hanker for something better. I hang the motor body from a hook over the modeling bench and use the smaller of the two handsets they have for it. It takes a few minutes of getting used to controlling the speed with your foot, but IMO an excellent purchase for any modeler. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Lee J. Mensinger Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tool question A rheostat for a light bulb is not strong enough for an electric motor and it can cause a fire by overheating very quickly. Suggestion...Don't even try it . It could actually self destruct very quickly almost like a small explosion. Big Hum and then bang. There is a table model, with a rotary dial, made for and by Dremel although a foot controlled one is maybe better. Your choice. I, fortunately, have one of each since I use two different devices, Dremel and Foredom. Both are far older than 20 years so the life expectancy, of the items, is great. I believe Dremel is about 45 and the Foredom about 36. Crawford Neil wrote: > This rheostat, would that be the same sort of thing as is used > for dimming lights? I guess Lance is on his way to "la belle France" > , but can anyone else who knows about electricity tell me. > You wouldn't believe how little I know about that subject. > /Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lance Krieg [mailto:lance.krieg@amerus.com] > > Sent: den 14 maj 2001 18:49 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: RE: Tool question > > > > > > Neil asks (about Dremel): > > > > "Doesn't it sort of melt its way through the wing?" > > > > Yeah, sometimes, but I crank the speed way down with a > > rheostat, and can usually avoid this. If it melts at all, > > the cooling plastic leaves a little bump as the steel leaves > > the surface, which can be flicked off with the end of a knife. > > > > I'm thinking about a better tool, like a Fordham or some > > other high-quality tool maker that has better gearing for low > > speeds, but I'm not sure I use it enough to warrant the expense. > > > > The Dremel works... > > > > Lance > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:02:21 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Junkers Question-loz and drab Message-ID: Thanks Tom, what you say is what it says in the Profile, which I tried to say in my first posting - all this glue sniffing gets to you in the end :-). I am building E251/16, one of the two earlier versions of the J2. There is one picture in the Profile of E251/16, which shows a very pale finish over the whole fuselage- the wings aren't fitted. The colour profile interprets this as sky blue. This pale finish looks to be the intended final colour scheme, as the markings are all applied, and the number is in black. There are also two pictures of the second version of the J2, these show the darker finish to the upper surfaces, though I can't to determine if the wings are finished in lozenge. The serial number is applied in white. I presume if the wings are lozenge this would have been handpainted, as the wing was metal skinned, not fabric covered. Does anyone have any other reference that would determine the finish on teh wings of E251/16? Thanks Steve > From: "TOM PLESHA" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:46:52 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Junkers Question-loz and drab > > Hi Steve- > The info I have says: basic loz scheme on upper wing only with the > remainder of the upper surfaces in a drab olive color that blended with the > sky blue color of all undersurfaces. > HTH > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Cox" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 3:01 PM > Subject: Junkers Question > > >> Does anyone have any info on the colour scheme used on the Junkers > J2-armed >> version. The Junkers Monoplanes Profile shows overall pale blue, (side > view >> only), but the text give lozenge on top surface of wing, and grey on top > of >> fuselage. >> >> Anyone have any thoughts? >> >> Regards >> Steve >> >> nb >> =========================================== >> steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk >> http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html >> If I didn't spend so much time on line >> << I'd get some models finished >> ================ >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:05:34 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: help Message-ID: <000901c0dd93$8cf56f80$88744c0c@tom> Hi- I think SAMI had a build up of the hi tech kitt with an additional section/article about the Breguet by Harry Woodman. I'll look in a bit a post what I find. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: RE: help > Frederic asks: > > > where i can find a drawing or a pictures of the renault V12 > > for a Breguet > > XIVb2;because without this motor i can't continue my breguet > > from hig tech. > > Help me someone - were there engine photos in the Scale Aviation Modeller > International issue which had the walkaround photos? Or am I thinking of > something entirely different? > > > > For the enthousiat... come in Bruxelles in the Musée royale > > de lArmée > > I wish..... > > > and the best beer of the world. > > Possibly, and am certainly willing to drink a great deal of it in an effort > to discover whether you're correct ;-) > > > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:21:57 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Junkers Question-loz and drab again Message-ID: <001b01c0dd95$d6516ce0$88744c0c@tom> Hi Steve- I looked in some of my books and the only photo I can find of the J2 is in German Aircraft of the First World War, by Thetford & Gray. It shows the J2 from a 3/4 rear view with what appears to be a all dark upper surface belding into a light lower surface, whit squares for the crosses. Thats the best I can do. Good luck. HTH Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Cox" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Junkers Question-loz and drab > Thanks Tom, what you say is what it says in the Profile, which I tried to > say in my first posting - all this glue sniffing gets to you in the end > :-). > > I am building E251/16, one of the two earlier versions of the J2. > > There is one picture in the Profile of E251/16, which shows a very pale > finish over the whole fuselage- the wings aren't fitted. The colour profile > interprets this as sky blue. This pale finish looks to be the intended final > colour scheme, as the markings are all applied, and the number is in black. > > There are also two pictures of the second version of the J2, these show the > darker finish to the upper surfaces, though I can't to determine if the > wings are finished in lozenge. The serial number is applied in white. I > presume if the wings are lozenge this would have been handpainted, as the > wing was metal skinned, not fabric covered. > > Does anyone have any other reference that would determine the finish on teh > wings of E251/16? > > Thanks > Steve > > > > > From: "TOM PLESHA" > > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > > Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:46:52 -0400 (EDT) > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Junkers Question-loz and drab > > > > Hi Steve- > > The info I have says: basic loz scheme on upper wing only with the > > remainder of the upper surfaces in a drab olive color that blended with the > > sky blue color of all undersurfaces. > > HTH > > Tom > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Cox" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 3:01 PM > > Subject: Junkers Question > > > > > >> Does anyone have any info on the colour scheme used on the Junkers > > J2-armed > >> version. The Junkers Monoplanes Profile shows overall pale blue, (side > > view > >> only), but the text give lozenge on top surface of wing, and grey on top > > of > >> fuselage. > >> > >> Anyone have any thoughts? > >> > >> Regards > >> Steve > >> > >> nb > >> =========================================== > >> steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > >> http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html > >> If I didn't spend so much time on line > >> << I'd get some models finished > >> ================ > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3373 **********************