WWI Digest 3340 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight by Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz 2) Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future by "Lee J. Mensinger" 3) RE: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight by "dfernet0" 4) RE: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future by Crawford Neil 5) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 6) RE: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight by Crawford Neil 7) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by "dfernet0" 8) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by Crawford Neil 9) Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future by "Lee J. Mensinger" 10) Re: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight by "Lee J. Mensinger" 11) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 12) RE: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future by "dfernet0" 13) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by "Ray Boorman" 14) Hobby shops in south america by "dfernet0" 15) RE: Hobby shops in south america by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 16) Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future by "Sanjeev Hirve" 17) re:slow list by Crawford Neil 18) RE: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight by Sharon Henderson 19) RVHP Swallow by David Fleming 20) RE: RVHP Swallow by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 21) Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future by "Lee J. Mensinger" 22) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 23) 0/400 in Azrak by "cameron rile" 24) RE: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight by Crawford Neil 25) Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 26) re:slow list by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 27) RE: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 28) RE: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight by Sharon Henderson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:32:40 +0100 From: Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight Message-ID: Nesterov. He did first loop on the Nieuport IV. LVi >> Odpovězte prosím - wwi@wwi-models.org Odesláno kým: wwi@wwi-models.org Od: "dfernet0" @wwi-models.org 04.05.2001 12:50:01 Komu: Multiple recipients of list Kopie: Předmět: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight IIRC Pegoud was the most famous of the daring "loopers" before WW1, however seems like the first pilot to do that was a drunk russian or something. His name evades me at the moment (was he Kozakov?). D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil > My friend who knows about things like this, thought it was > probably done first by Pergoud in a Bleriot pre WW1. I think > he was also the guy who first did a loop. > /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 07:53:09 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future Message-ID: <3AF2A635.F9F7F968@x25.net> Pieced together, with used parts, it was cheap. Not a single part was new except the Air Brush and the hose.That came from Paasche since it was not available where I lived. Now that I am lots older a bit of lazy has worked iteself in. Instead of combing my hair I brush it gently with a used tootbrush. Talk about cheap...(Or inexpensive..) Lee Crawford Neil wrote: > Lee wrote a lot of sensible things on surge tanks etc. for compressors. > I am sure he is correct if you want to do things properly, but if you are > as skinty and lazy as I am then I think you CAN get away with some > cheating. My set-up with just a compressor and pipe-connection with > hole, has worked perfectly for me, for the past 25 years, when it finally > packs in I will probably get something like Lee suggests, I'm richer now > and one of those fancy modern compressors with everything on would be > a perfect option for the rich and lazy! > /Neil > > Lee wrote: > > > > Jim, that is why you need a surge tank. > > >snip > > > If your compresor will only go to forty pounds that is OK, > > but if it sits there > > pumping 40 pounds into a dead space that is just sitting > > there, holding 40 > > pounds of pressure, it will overheat. Then you can go buy > > another compressor. > > A compressor, electrical, shut off is a worth while > > investment. Either that or > > get a foot operated on/off switch so you can turn it on > > before you start to > > spray and release when you finish. > > > >dry > > >snip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:56:01 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight Message-ID: <01ad01c0d499$924d5400$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thanks Lubos! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight > > Nesterov. He did first loop on the Nieuport IV. > > LVi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:55:18 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future Message-ID: ROTFL , thanks Lee > > Pieced together, with used parts, it was cheap. Not a single > part was new > except the Air Brush and the hose.That came from Paasche > since it was not > available where I lived. > > Now that I am lots older a bit of lazy has worked iteself in. > Instead of > combing my hair I brush it gently with a used tootbrush. Talk about > cheap...(Or inexpensive..) > > Lee > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:03:09 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <000601c0d49a$917e4ec0$351ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of > dfernet0 > Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? > > > How many unbuilt kits do you have in your cupboard? At this exact moment, 9, but I'm waiting for the postman to bring me more 6 or 7, I don't remember (of this amount, 6 or 7 are WWI), and have found something more in online shops! Best regards from Brazil Marcio Campos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:07:14 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight Message-ID: About aerobatics, you often see mention of impromptu displays above airfields in WW2, Subaru Sakai did a classic over the american base in New Guinea. Was there much of this in WW1? The only thing I can think of right now was Jimmy Hall trying to do something clever to impress an enemy pilot who he suspected was good, in the hope that he would go away. Unfortunately he made a hash of it, and I think spun out and escaped anyway. Where they so busy just flying the things that they didn't do a lot of advanced aerobatics? /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:13:28 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <01b901c0d49c$024a8a00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Bom dia Marcio: I wanted to ask you: Does the hobby shops up there market items like Eduard or Roseplanes or those WW1 specialists? Here in Argentina only Revells, Airfix and some Tokos have made their way down south to the hobby shop shelves. The internet has saved my life but doomed my wallet... D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcio Antonio Campos > At this exact moment, 9, but I'm waiting for the postman to bring me more 6 > or 7, I don't remember (of this amount, 6 or 7 are WWI), and have found > something more in online shops! > > Best regards from Brazil > > Marcio Campos > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:19:33 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: The shops in Brazil only sell clothes, footballs or formula 1 items, thats my experience, I never saw a hobby-shop. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 4 maj 2001 15:15 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? > > > Bom dia Marcio: > I wanted to ask you: Does the hobby shops up there market > items like Eduard > or Roseplanes or those WW1 specialists? Here in Argentina > only Revells, > Airfix and some Tokos have made their way down south to the hobby shop > shelves. The internet has saved my life but doomed my wallet... > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marcio Antonio Campos > > At this exact moment, 9, but I'm waiting for the postman to > bring me more > 6 > > or 7, I don't remember (of this amount, 6 or 7 are WWI), > and have found > > something more in online shops! > > > > Best regards from Brazil > > > > Marcio Campos > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:21:33 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future Message-ID: <3AF2ACDD.BBECCED@x25.net> Now you know a U.S. citizen is really alive and well.. The fact is I am, also, not getting anything from anyone on this side myself. I just woke up 45 minutes ago and it is strangely quiet on this side of the ocean and this far north. No Canadians either. Just you and I and Deferneti. We own the world. Glad you enjoyed the note. Hope it came in time for the missing ones to see it. All fooling aside...Squadron has a lovely set up. Complete in one unit and it is (Only) $538.97 plus shipping and they include a lot of silence with it.. At least the Advert. says so. Don't know anyone that owns one. So no product report. Every thing I have pieced together over the last 40 years cost less than 40% of that. Lee M. Lee Crawford Neil wrote: > ROTFL , thanks Lee > > > > Pieced together, with used parts, it was cheap. Not a single > > part was new > > except the Air Brush and the hose.That came from Paasche > > since it was not > > available where I lived. > > > > Now that I am lots older a bit of lazy has worked iteself in. > > Instead of > > combing my hair I brush it gently with a used tootbrush. Talk about > > cheap...(Or inexpensive..) > > > > Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:33:41 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight Message-ID: <3AF2AFB5.53D3E28E@x25.net> Based on a few old WW I that I have been in contact with over the years. Just remaining in the air was advanced aerobatics. The Spad reconstructed and flown at Selfridge Field, Michigan in 1953 was reported as being incredibly difficult to fly and that was done by the Base Test Pilot who had thousands of hours experience. He made the comment in a conversation With Rickenbacker who was guest of honor that day. I was unfortunately at Weather Forecasting School almost 500 miles away but I had helped work on that before 1951 when I went back into the Service full time. Landing the 1909 Bleriot, we have here, without breaking anything is a major accomplishment. I flew, for a long time, some years ago and I would avoid that thing with a passion. Lee M. Crawford Neil wrote: > About aerobatics, you often see mention of impromptu displays > above airfields in WW2, Subaru Sakai did a classic over the > american base in New Guinea. Was there much of this in WW1? > The only thing I can think of right now was Jimmy Hall trying > to do something clever to impress an enemy pilot who he suspected > was good, in the hope that he would go away. Unfortunately he made > a hash of it, and I think spun out and escaped anyway. Where they > so busy just flying the things that they didn't do a lot of > advanced aerobatics? > /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:39:33 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <000701c0d49f$a7b01fc0$351ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > Bom dia Marcio: > I wanted to ask you: Does the hobby shops up there market > items like Eduard > or Roseplanes or those WW1 specialists? Here in Argentina > only Revells, > Airfix and some Tokos have made their way down south to the hobby shop > shelves. The internet has saved my life but doomed my wallet... > D. !Buenos dias, Diego! (I started studying Spanish) The same goes here. First, modelling shops are very rare. And the few ones sell only Revell, Airfix, Hasegawa, Heller, Italeri and Academy. The only WWI planes I bought in a real shop, not an online one, were my Revell DVII and Dr.I and Heller Roland CII (by the way, I'm almost finishing it). There's only one shop here in Sao Paulo which sells a few Pegasus and Toko kits, but you can find only very few of each and the prices are so high that buying them online is cheaper (or less expensive, if you prefer). Best regards from Brazil Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:45:42 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future Message-ID: <01d201c0d4a0$83965fe0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lee wrote: > Just you and I > and Deferneti. We own the world. Ain't that a cozy feeling? ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 06:49:19 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: Depends if the Pilot had his seat belt done up. > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of David > Fleming > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:16 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the underside of wings have raised ribs? > > > > Only if flying upside down > > > > > > Thinking about this, could OT aircraft fly upside down for any length ? > My knowledge of aerodynamics is limited. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:00:12 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Hobby shops in south america Message-ID: <01e001c0d4a2$8ae185c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > !Buenos dias, Diego! (I started studying Spanish) Good beggining! However as things go, we should start talking in portugueis and dancing samba. > the prices are so high that > buying them online is cheaper (or less expensive, if you prefer). Same as here. in Buenos Aires there's a lot more of variety, but prices are prohibitive. We are left behind in so many respects... D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:02:23 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: Hobby shops in south america Message-ID: <000901c0d4a2$d88a32e0$351ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of > dfernet0 > Subject: Hobby shops in south america > > > !Buenos dias, Diego! (I started studying Spanish) > > Good beggining! However as things go, we should start talking > in portugueis > and dancing samba. Oh, no! I hate samba! > > the prices are so high that > > buying them online is cheaper (or less expensive, if you prefer). > > Same as here. in Buenos Aires there's a lot more of variety, > but prices are > prohibitive. We are left behind in so many respects... > D. The question is that, for those modelers interested in general things, the Brazilian shops can provide fun for much time. However, when one is looking for something special (and, among all my choices, only WW2 German planes are easy to find here), the salvation comes from online shops abroad. Best regards from Brazil Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:12:29 -0400 From: "Sanjeev Hirve" To: Subject: Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future Message-ID: <001901c0d4a4$4b2a43c0$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Hi Jim, I am the quiet lurking type. Been lurking for the past couple of years atleast. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:10:14 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: re:slow list Message-ID: It's fun watching the way the list rolls around the globe, I usually spend mornings reading the list, I try and only do it while my jobs are waiting for execution, I have to compile all my programs which gives me lots of small breaks. Then around lunch I get some time to answer them, by then Diego has woken up, and some of the early americans are beginning, also I notice that we often get a burst of post from Scotland around their lunchtime. If I'm running some heavy batch-jobs in the afternoon I find time to write anything longer, by then of course there is plenty of action, and I go home. Next morning I can read input from the US main force, if I'm early Shane can still be on-line in Australia or Bob Pearson on the west-coast of Canada. And then it all starts again..... /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee J. Mensinger [mailto:lemen@x25.net] > Sent: den 4 maj 2001 15:26 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for > Future > > > Now you know a U.S. citizen is really alive and well.. > > The fact is I am, also, not getting anything from anyone on this side > myself. I just woke up 45 minutes ago and it is strangely > quiet on this > side of the ocean and this far north. No Canadians either. > Just you and I > and Deferneti. We own the world. > > Glad you enjoyed the note. Hope it came in time for the > missing ones to > see it. > > All fooling aside...Squadron has a lovely set up. Complete in > one unit and > it is (Only) $538.97 plus shipping and they include a lot of silence > with it.. At least the Advert. says so. Don't know anyone that owns > one. So no product report. > > Every thing I have pieced together over the last 40 years > cost less than > 40% of that. > > Lee M. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:13:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight Message-ID: <20010504141313.46452.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com> I remember reading that MvR specifically forbade aerobatic stunts, so there must have been some of it happening.... :-) IIRC, his brother Lothar had a bit of a reputation for "fancy flying" when he was in the mood. Sharon, Not Around Much While Job Searching :-) --- Crawford Neil wrote: > Was there much of this in WW1? Were they so busy > just flying the things that they didn't do a > lot of advanced aerobatics? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:20:18 +0100 From: David Fleming To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RVHP Swallow Message-ID: <3AF2BAA2.8020205@btconnect.com> If anyone is building the Swallow, take care with the tailplane - the elavator hinge line is so delicate, it separated when I was trying to take the resin wafer off..

Dave
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:38:00 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: RVHP Swallow Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA016DB717@mail3.stratcom.mil> > -----Original Message----- > From: David Fleming [mailto:david_fleming@btconnect.com] > If anyone is building the Swallow, > take care with > the tailplane - the elavator hinge line is so delicate, it > separated when > I was trying to take the resin wafer off..
>
Well, Dave
, didn't that make it easy to separate the stab then? :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:48:34 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future Message-ID: <3AF2C142.5FE767FA@x25.net> Sure was. While it lasted.. Lee dfernet0 wrote: > Lee wrote: > > Just you and I > > and Deferneti. We own the world. > > Ain't that a cozy feeling? ;-) > D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:08:48 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: The U.S. listees should be back up and running. Bunches of us were watching the denouement of "Survivor: The Australia Outback." I have to admit this program distracted me enough to seal up my Sopwith project fusleage before everything was finished. Now I'll have to go in and do a "ship-in-the-bottle" type construction through the open nose to fix it. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 23:21:14 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: 0/400 in Azrak Message-ID: <71B2ED7508045D115AF50005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> >No, that would probably be the 0/400 flown by >Ross Smith of 1AFC, and discussed here a few >weeks ago - it was used to impress >Lawrences Bedouins as well as to bomb the >Turks and Germans To add to that, Fiesals Army called aircraft "tiara's" which supposedly means "female things"? When Ross Smith landed an excited Arab told another 1 AFC pilot at Azrak that the "British have brought us a tiara that makes all the others look like foals." Fiesals Arabs ran round the 0/400 on their horses firing their guns into the air much to Ross Smith's consternation as the main reason for the 0/400 flying to Azrak was to resupply the 1 AFC Bristols there with fuel lol. The painting, I think it used to hang in the AWM in the aircraft hall celebrates that episode. IIRC the same 0/400 flew to India in late 1918 with Smith and Salmond? as pilots and Bennett and Shiers as crew. Smith, Bennett and Shiers were the same crew that won the England-Australia race. All trivia, but part of what makes our hobby come alive infront of our eyes. cam ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:24:54 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight Message-ID: I should think a DR1 would be better than most ww1 a/c upside down, just from the look of it. /Neil Ps. Aren't you a Reverend, do you also have to look for jobs? > -----Original Message----- > From: Sharon Henderson [mailto:jastaelf@yahoo.com] > Sent: den 4 maj 2001 16:17 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight > > > I remember reading that MvR specifically forbade > aerobatic stunts, so there must have been some of it > happening.... :-) IIRC, his brother Lothar had a bit > of a reputation for "fancy flying" when he was in the > mood. > > Sharon, > Not Around Much While Job Searching > :-) > > --- Crawford Neil wrote: > > > Was there much of this in WW1? Were they so busy > > just flying the things that they didn't do a > > lot of advanced aerobatics? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:20:37 -0500 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future Message-ID: >All fooling aside...Squadron has a lovely set up. Complete in one unit and >it is (Only) $538.97 plus shipping and they include a lot of silence >with it.. At least the Advert. says so. Don't know anyone that owns >one. So no product report. > >Every thing I have pieced together over the last 40 years cost less than >40% of that. > > Lee I do have one of them. It is as advertised. The air coming out of the airbrush makes more noise than the compressor when it is running. When first turned on, it takes about 45 seconds to fill the tank to 100 psi and then shuts its self off. When the pressure in the tank drops below 35 psi it turns on and refills the tank. Overall a good unit. There are a couple of others out there that do the same thing, and cost around the same. There are also other compressors available with holding tanks, regulators and moisture traps that are much more noisy and still cost about the same. There have been articles from time to time about making silent compressors out of old refrigerator compressors. I have never seen one in person so can't speak about their reliability. From looking at the plans, by the time you get all the parts, build a container to hold all the parts together, and get all of the fittings welded in place, you will have spent almost as much as an off the shelf unit. One of my early moisture trap solutions was to cut the hose going to the airbrush about 6 inches below the brush and put a $1.29 disposable fuel filter in the line. I drilled a small hole in the bottom side of it and then plugged it with a screw. When it started to get moisture collecting in it, I just took out the screw and drained it out. It was a very effective moisture trap, and on the old diaphragm type compressor I was using, there was no way to regulate the output. Besides, it only put out about 20 psi any way. From what I have been told, the output psi is not as important as the amount of air the unit can move when it is running (cfm). The lower this number is, the higher pressure you have to have to be able to pick up the material being sprayed. Bottom line, they all provide an air source. You can adjust the output pressure and they have moisture traps to prevent water from making it to the surface of the item being painted. The users ability to use a piece of machinery to produce a work of art is the key. I have seen models painted with spray cans that look better than ones done with the most expensive airbrush/compressor combinations. I have even seen people do things with paint brushes, razor blades, rubber bands, white glue, cheep water color brushes and house paint that I can't even come close to with all my speciality tools, clamps, files, liquid solvents, hobby paints and air brushes. Go figure. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:14:01 +0100 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re:slow list Message-ID: I would have piped up earlier but Friday's are murder in the newsroom. It's 1 p.m. now and I've only just found time to read today's posts. Keeping this OT I've been busy drooling over the Marcos 1:24 Pfalz DIII kit that arrived yesterday. Today I went out for some primer for the vac sheets and this evening I go to experiment with paper thin birch wood shavings. IF all goes well we have some interior paneling to play with. I remember a while back on the list there was a lengthy discussion on the interior colours and layout of the Pfalz. I'm browserless today so can someone either recall or search the site for when this thread was? OTher opinions on DIII interios also welcome. The Marcos kit is so utterly gorgeous I've got to wait until I get some solid reference material. This is a longterm labour of love type project. MVJ P.S. any ship modelers around familiar with the Minicraft Roman Galley kit? If so please give me a holler off list, I have a question on what scale this really is, 'cos it sure aint 1:250. M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:47:40 -0500 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future Message-ID: > > Pieced together, with used parts, it was cheap. Not a single >> part was new >> except the Air Brush and the hose.That came from Paasche >> since it was not >> available where I lived. >> >> Now that I am lots older a bit of lazy has worked iteself in. >> Instead of >> combing my hair I brush it gently with a used tootbrush. Talk about > > cheap...(Or inexpensive..) > > > > Lee Hey Lee, When I was much younger and living on a tight budget, I made my regulated and moisture trapped machine out of used parts also, and had to use a comb on my hair. Now that I am much older and have retired twice, (both attempts failed) I have a Badger Silent 1 compressor that came with all the parts as a unit. It didn't change the finish I get in any way, cut down on the noise a lot, and put me back on a tight budget again. Only thing now that I am much older and supposedly wiser, I have discovered that I no longer have to buy expensive combs and brushes for my hair. A wet wash rag does the trick very well. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:44:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight Message-ID: <20010504154445.28397.qmail@web9807.mail.yahoo.com> > I should think a DR1 would be better than most ww1 > a/c upside down, just from the look of it. I would dearly *love* to fly one, to find out... :-) Maybe with my second million?? > Ps. Aren't you a Reverend, do you also have to look > for jobs? Funny you should mention that today of all days. :-) This is the first anniversary of my ordination. Yes, I am a Rev., and we all have real-world jobs too. (Well, when we actually HAVE them... ) It's a concept called "tent-making priesthood": not to lose touch with the difficulties of the everyday world, so as to better be able to serve one's parish. The term comes from the fact that the Apostle Paul was a tent-maker, even as he travelled around doing God's work. It means a lot less free time -- but it tends to point up the importance of making everything a prayer. :-) Which reminds me: every time I work on rigging, I pray like ANYTHING.... :-) Cheers, Sharon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3340 **********************