WWI Digest 3339 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) by Phil Bytheway 2) Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future by "Lee J. Mensinger" 3) RE: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by Shane Weier 4) RE: SE.5a Seats and the AWM SE-5a by Shane Weier 5) RE: Delta news by Shane Weier 6) Re: Sopwith Rhino by Steve Cox 7) RE: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by ERIC HIGHT 8) Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 9) Hyperscale Heads Up by Shane Weier 10) Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by "dfernet0" 11) RE: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future by Crawford Neil 12) Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by Jan Vihonen 13) Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by David Fleming 14) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by "dfernet0" 15) Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by David Fleming 16) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by Crawford Neil 17) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by Crawford Neil 18) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by "dfernet0" 19) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by "dfernet0" 20) RE: Spad louvres and seatbelts by "dfernet0" 21) Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by David Fleming 22) Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by David Fleming 23) Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by David Fleming 24) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by "dfernet0" 25) RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? by Crawford Neil 26) Inverted flight was RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully qui by Crawford Neil 27) Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight by "dfernet0" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:57:31 -0700 From: Phil Bytheway To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Message-ID: <907BC1780991D411A7F5006008AFAEC6DAF2@PIONEER> Folks Just use the link below to view the ebay auction. I don't know where the "nifty" code came from but the link will get you there!! phil b -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson [mailto:bpearson@rapidnet.net] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:17 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sopwith one more try. Possibly Camel B4612 of no.54 Sqn RAF. . it had a vertical bar before the roundel and the number 14 behind it. Lt PC Mitchell was forced down in this a/c on 28 June 1918, and B4612 was captured intact. However another photo of B4612 seem to show it with a PC10 nose and flank panels not the varnished ones seen in the photo. Bob http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1138999194 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:30:33 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future Message-ID: <3AF1BFE8.9A13DB3F@x25.net> Jim, that is why you need a surge tank. The tank shut off can be set at fifty pounds or even 100 if the comprssor can go that high. ( which I doubt). . The compessor shuts off and comes back on when it gets a cetain pressure below 50 or what ever. The tank stabilizes the impulses from the compressor. Then the output-side gauge can be set at your desired output pressure by using an output diaphram. When you set 20 pounds output you get 20 out. Nothing else can give you that positive control. If your compresor will only go to forty pounds that is OK, but if it sits there pumping 40 pounds into a dead space that is just sitting there, holding 40 pounds of pressure, it will overheat. Then you can go buy another compressor. A compressor, electrical, shut off is a worth while investment. Either that or get a foot operated on/off switch so you can turn it on before you start to spray and release when you finish. With out the diaphram you can never get a stabilized pressure on the airbrush, and, without the output gauge you have no idea what the pressure may be at the brush. The diaphram comes between the compresosr tank and the gauge. (It will most likely be damaged if adjusted while the air is not flowing through the airbrush from the tank..) I have been doing this for forty years and find it shameful that compressor comapnies do not put on automatic switchs on all compressors. Better grade compressors can be had..with switches.. Maybe Harbor what ever has some. My system from the tank, tells me tank pressure, next is the control diaphram and then the output pressure, a 90 degree on/off gas valve ( to maintain tank pressure when turned off), then a down size connector to match the airbrush. It is forty years old and still going great. No leaks. If you need a water trap it goes next to the tank ahead of the other stuff and off set enough that you can disconnect and empty the "water-bottle" collector. I do not have one.There are days in Colorado when the humidity is high enough, (outside), that you might need one but I think your home is airconditioned and that does a lot to keep the humidity down. I do a lot of my airbrush stuff out on the patio. It is closed but not conditioned so I use CO2. Totally dry never a drop of moisture in the dry ice at about minus 250 degrees. Also, no impulses. I usually use CO2. If I use a compressor I use an old CO2 tank as a reservoir, surge tank, .I have an on off valve on that tank and one on the CO2 tank as well. They can interchange. The fit is the same for both. Take my word. Trying to get the lowest price is fine, but, you have to have what I have described or it is mostly a waste of time and money. Because you only have half of the total solution. Print this out and take it with you. Show it to the people where you go. Ask those people if I am wrong. I got my stuff used at a welding supply shop, and, they assembled it into the pipe line-up to install on the tank with a large pipe that matched CO2 tank shut off valves. for me. Forty years it was less dollars, by count, but, it was probably the same value as it will cost today If they failed every few days it would be expensive but they don't. So over the years it will amortize down to pennies a year. I could probably sell mine for more than they cost now. They are probably 55 to 60 years old. Lee Lee Jim Landon wrote: > <<...I use an old badger compressor with neither pressure guage or water > trap ... it's fairly dry here ... small hole in the connection that lets out > air ... about the same as a poorly inflated car-tire, which seems about > right.>> > > Thanks Neil. I was thinking about trying it that way because it's dry here > and I could just create install some kind of valve to bleed off excess > pressure. Nice to know that a listee does it that way successfully. > > Jim > > >From: Crawford Neil > >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: RE: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future > >Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:39:51 -0400 (EDT) > > > >Just a note about this, I use an old badger compressor > >with neither pressure guage or water trap. I don't > >do much painting in the summer, and it's fairly dry > >here, so that's probably why I manage without. There > >is a small hole in the connection that lets out air, > >so what I get out is approximately about the same as > >a poorly inflated car-tire, which seems about right. > >Just saying this in case it's a comfort to anybody > >who doesn't want to spend money on a guage. It is > >possible to manage without. > >/Neil > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:06:02 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748FFD@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Eric, > thanks for the compliment but i checked the currency > converter and it would > only be 265.16 aud including s&h(air 3-5days). you forgot your d.i. > discount. :-) That's some discount. Price in US$ = 139.99 Int'l Postage = (Order+10%)+85% = (wtf DOES this mean?) Exchange rate ~= 0.52 Price of kit in A$ (no postage) = $ 269 So the d.i. discount covers all the postage (whatever it is) AND reduces the price of the kit. Pretty generous old mate. I may be able to buy one and only get divored and killed, without the emasculation bit ;-) Good luck with the sales. You deserve to be successfull for turning out a good product and having the balls to take on a big one like this. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:24:04 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: SE.5a Seats and the AWM SE-5a Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748FFE@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Tom says: > Both the plans and the photos from the Australian source show > a boxy looking > wood seat. The photo also shows part of a wide looking lap > belt in canvas. > It has what looks like leather trim on the edges and is > attached to the seat with rope! Correct in all respects. The "box" was formed by adding sides in this form ____ | \ | \ | \ |______| (only the cut off corner is at 45 degrees, the flats on top and front are about 4"-6") The entire seat is painted either very dark grey, or is faded black, and is chipped enough to show bare wood along the front on the actual seat part (at back of legs) which suggests it was painted that way in and used, and not just repainted like that for display. There is also a thin, stitched leather pad on the base - it looks in photos like it might be a sort of "sling" seat, but I was allowed to lean in and poke it - the wood surface is right beneath it. As Tom notes, there is a wide lapbelt and no shoulder belts, the lap belt is greyish green canvas with brown leather reinforcements and BIG cream coloured octagonal fabric?? ends (or rather, square ends with cut off corners) with two rows of holes. The belt is held to an eyebolt fitted underneath the shelf above the rear corners of the seat side (drawn above)using a rope properly fitted off into an inverted Y shape with eyes on each end. The leg of the Y fits on the ringbolt, the other eyes on each end of a spreader bar in the end of the wide seatbelt HTH someone ! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:38:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Delta news Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748FFF@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael, > >Wasn't it 0/1500 that they built only a couple of them and they were > >used operationally only to scare some Afghani tribesmen > after the war. > > Was it that or an 0/400 on a painting I saw in a Peguin > edition of T. E. > Lawrence's "Seven Pillars of Wisdom"? No, that would probably be the 0/400 flown by Ross Smith of 1AFC, and discussed here a few weeks ago - it was used to impress Lawrences Bedouins as well as to bomb the Turks and Germans Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 23:59:58 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Rhino Message-ID: I thought Peter Leonard did a drawing - why not correct that? :-) Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:04:10 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Sopwith Rhino > > Thanks a heap Volker. It may not be the best drawing in the world, but it's a > drawing. And a drawing can be corrected. > > cheers 'n' beers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:07:05 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010503200344.01d9b080@pop.amug.org> shane, thanks for the ringing endorsement!!! eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:13:52 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future Message-ID: <7a.145b0381.28237870@aol.com> In a message dated 5/3/2001 1:56:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thegreatlandoni@hotmail.com writes: << Hi Jon. Boy do I feel stupid. The local Harborfreight retail store is where I bought my cheap air brush! They sold me an adapter to go with it - to go from my compressor outlet down to the small vinyl hose of the air brush. I never even thought about needing a pressure regulator or gauge, and neither did they! Duh! >> Jim, we all have to do our share of Duh's over the years so just add this one to your total, lord knows I have my share of them. Usually my Duh's go something like getting a model all buttoned up and then noticing this part sitting on the side that goes right in the middle of everything I just finished doing. Really though the Pressure gage/regulator and water separator is a nice package and my brother took it to work to test it on his test bench and he said it's dead on and captures all the moisture very well, not bad for $15.00 on sale. Just remember these guys have a sale every week. Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:18:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: Hyperscale Heads Up Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C710174900B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hi all, A nice Albatros D.III (Oef) converted from the Eduard D.III by Cezary Bartnicki in Polish markings is worth a look. http://www.hyperscale.com/gallery01/albatroscb_1.htm FWIW Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:06:12 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <002e01c0d481$d9a34700$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi No messages for a while... what's up? OT activities: I finally searched for pictures of the SE5 with the glass house canopy.... yes, now I see why they removed it. It looks like a wobbly affair and translucent to say the best. The higher seat undoubtedly was designed to be used with that feature, but until the advent of better transparent plastic the idea was impracticable. That was good for the balaclava factories! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:15:11 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Inexpensive air guage was Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future Message-ID: Lee wrote a lot of sensible things on surge tanks etc. for compressors. I am sure he is correct if you want to do things properly, but if you are as skinty and lazy as I am then I think you CAN get away with some cheating. My set-up with just a compressor and pipe-connection with hole, has worked perfectly for me, for the past 25 years, when it finally packs in I will probably get something like Lee suggests, I'm richer now and one of those fancy modern compressors with everything on would be a perfect option for the rich and lazy! /Neil Lee wrote: > > Jim, that is why you need a surge tank. >snip > If your compresor will only go to forty pounds that is OK, > but if it sits there > pumping 40 pounds into a dead space that is just sitting > there, holding 40 > pounds of pressure, it will overheat. Then you can go buy > another compressor. > A compressor, electrical, shut off is a worth while > investment. Either that or > get a foot operated on/off switch so you can turn it on > before you start to > spray and release when you finish. > >dry >snip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 13:14:24 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <3AF28100.D72CE72@helsinki.fi> Hi D. It is indeed very quiet in the Western Fro... Ooops, I meant in the list today. The previous message before yours that I received was Shane tE's from about five, six hours ago. Jan > No messages for a while... what's up? > OT activities: I finally searched for pictures of the SE5 with the glass > house canopy.... yes, now I see why they removed it. It looks like a wobbly > affair and translucent to say the best. The higher seat undoubtedly was > designed to be used with that feature, but until the advent of better > transparent plastic the idea was impracticable. That was good for the > balaclava factories! > D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:13:46 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <3AF280D9.ECCD913B@dial.pipex.com> dfernet0 wrote: > Hi > No messages for a while... what's up? > The Americans seem to have been quiet last night, and I guess us Europeans are winding down (Holiday this weekend here in the UK). I would have thought Neil or the Polish contingent would have been about, and Matt's always lurking (He never seems to sleep !) Biiiiiiigggg OT blooper in the new SAMI. Cover trumpets 'Sopwith Pup by Richard Carauna'. Funny looking Pup, must be a late model monoplane, twin engined propless model licence built by Northrop. That's right, the article is on the F5 family. Even the cover illustration shows some sort of F5...... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:27:09 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <003801c0d484$c70c0840$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> They must be preparing an offensive.... here's the first shots of the barrage: What colour is Voss cowl? where was located the wing radiator on Voss' albatros? Should the underside of wings have raised ribs? How many unbuilt kits do you have in your cupboard? etc. etc. etc. D. ducking for cover. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Vihonen > Hi D. > > It is indeed very quiet in the Western Fro... Ooops, I meant in the list > today. The previous message before yours that I received was Shane tE's > from about five, six hours ago. > > Jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:19:05 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <3AF28218.A1FE0C03@dial.pipex.com> dfernet0 wrote: > They must be preparing an offensive.... > here's the first shots of the barrage: > What colour is Voss cowl? Cowling coloured > > where was located the wing radiator on Voss' albatros? On the wing > > Should the underside of wings have raised ribs? Only if flying upside down > > How many unbuilt kits do you have in your cupboard? > None - I've moved them all to the attic Next........ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:29:36 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: Something called addiction! Those are withdrawal symptoms you're feeling, just give in! /Neil > > > No messages for a while... what's up? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:31:39 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: 20 odd on top of my cupboard, 200ish in the attic. /Neil (not a collector) Dave wrote: > > > > How many unbuilt kits do you have in your cupboard? > > > > None - I've moved them all to the attic > > Next........ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:45:36 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <005201c0d487$5a758aa0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi David > Biiiiiiigggg OT blooper in the new SAMI. Cover trumpets 'Sopwith Pup by Richard > Carauna'. Funny looking Pup, must be a late model monoplane, twin engined > propless model licence built by Northrop. That's right, the article is on the > F5 family. Even the cover illustration shows some sort of F5...... So the next SAMI would announce a F5 and publish a Pup... However, Ian Stair's (or it was Simkin?) pup drawings in the Specail Datafile are wonderful and will be hardly surpassed. Even interior structure details! How would I have wished that on the Nieuport special! (I have 3 different structure drawings for the 11) D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:48:57 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <005a01c0d487$d226b740$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> David challenges: > Next........ Hmm... here's the toughie: What colour is in fact PC10? ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:09:46 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Spad louvres and seatbelts Message-ID: <00ac01c0d48a$bbd2bea0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Jim! I've been thinking a freat deal on your question and maybe that's why I'm writing so many days after your first post on the subject. I've watched and glanced on the pictures of real airplanes on your site (I don't have much on Salmsons in my library) and I see that the louvre "lips" are straight and not curved following the roundness of the cowl. In your scale, you may have to stick more closely to the method used in the real machine than us tinyscalers. Do you have pictures that show the interior of the cowl? Were the louvres applied to cutaways in the sheet metal by any mean? Or they were just punched out? In Fokker D.VIIs, it appears that they used both methods... and not lees important is to plan ahead if you are going to display your model cowling opened to show the Salmson engine. If the louvre lips are straight, you may do as George Lee did his: vacform a row of "blisters" and mount them as needed in rows, then mount the row in the cowl "body" so to speak. If you have the "scratchbuilt!" book you may see how he did that. Maybe you will have to depart from the mylar to do this, since it's easier to work with styrene. HTH D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Landon To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Spad louvres and seatbelts > <> > > I noticed in the the new FMP book on Salmsons that some machines had double > punched louvers. Anybody else notice this. It appears in the photo that > the forward half goes outward and the rear half goes inward. I guess they > needed more ventilation. > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:00:43 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <3AF28BDB.71C6592B@dial.pipex.com> dfernet0 wrote: > David challenges: > > Next........ > > Hmm... here's the toughie: What colour is in fact PC10? ;-) > D. Obviously, PC10 coloured !!! ________ O ' ' (An ASCI Sopwith Swallow?Morane AI etc) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:03:28 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <3AF28C80.2D907967@dial.pipex.com> > > > > > > Should the underside of wings have raised ribs? > > Only if flying upside down > > Thinking about this, could OT aircraft fly upside down for any length ? My knowledge of aerodynamics is limited. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:04:52 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <3AF28CD4.70D1BBD1@dial.pipex.com> David Fleming wrote: > > > ________ > O > ' ' > (An ASCI Sopwith Swallow?Morane AI etc) Now that didn't work !!! _______ O ' ' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:22:02 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: <017001c0d48c$714dadc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Structurally, I think that they would. However, their engine would have choked since the carburetors of the time were gravity-fed. IIRC. I don't know about planes with rotary engines. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Fleming To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? > > > > > > > > > > Should the underside of wings have raised ribs? > > > > Only if flying upside down > > > > > > Thinking about this, could OT aircraft fly upside down for any length ? > My knowledge of aerodynamics is limited. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:27:30 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? Message-ID: They might not be able to hold their height , those thin undercambered wings would be awful aerodynamically, upside-down, but with a good strong engine it should be possible. I would guess that the late Fokkers would be candidates. Interesting question. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 4 maj 2001 13:22 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? > > > Structurally, I think that they would. However, their engine > would have > choked since the carburetors of the time were gravity-fed. > IIRC. I don't > know about planes with rotary engines. > D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Fleming > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:15 AM > Subject: Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the underside of wings have raised ribs? > > > > > > Only if flying upside down > > > > > > > > > > Thinking about this, could OT aircraft fly upside down for > any length ? > > My knowledge of aerodynamics is limited. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:40:46 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Inverted flight was RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully qui Message-ID: My friend who knows about things like this, thought it was probably done first by Pergoud in a Bleriot pre WW1. I think he was also the guy who first did a loop. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 4 maj 2001 13:22 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? > > > Structurally, I think that they would. However, their engine > would have > choked since the carburetors of the time were gravity-fed. > IIRC. I don't > know about planes with rotary engines. > D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Fleming > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:15 AM > Subject: Re: Is it me or the list has been awfully quiet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the underside of wings have raised ribs? > > > > > > Only if flying upside down > > > > > > > > > > Thinking about this, could OT aircraft fly upside down for > any length ? > > My knowledge of aerodynamics is limited. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:50:04 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Looping the loup WAS: Inverted flight Message-ID: <019801c0d490$5c3db160$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> IIRC Pegoud was the most famous of the daring "loopers" before WW1, however seems like the first pilot to do that was a drunk russian or something. His name evades me at the moment (was he Kozakov?). D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil > My friend who knows about things like this, thought it was > probably done first by Pergoud in a Bleriot pre WW1. I think > he was also the guy who first did a loop. > /Neil ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3339 **********************