WWI Digest 3336 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Sopwith Rhino by "Ray Boorman" 2) Re: Delta news by Allan Wright 3) Re: ot Plea for microcassette transfer. by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 4) Re: SE 5a seat by Marc Flake 5) Re: Sopwith Rhino by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 6) Re: Pay and Non-Pay ezines was [Re: Looking For Modeling Article Writers by "Limon3" 7) RE: Sopwith Rhino by Shane Weier 8) Re: Austrian Website - Be prepared! - by "Limon3" 9) Re: Henri Farre (was Albert Ball's A134) by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 10) Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 11) Re: Sopwith Rhino by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 12) Re: 50 Kilo bomb info by ERIC HIGHT 13) Thanks Guys! by Andreikor@aol.com 14) Catalogue of Nieuport Aircraft by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 15) RE: Sopwith Rhino by Shane Weier 16) CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by ERIC HIGHT 17) Re: DML Fokker D-VII by "Lee J. Mensinger" 18) Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by Karen Rychlewski 19) Re: Austrian Website - Be prepared! - by Karen Rychlewski 20) Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by ERIC HIGHT 21) Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by Todd Hayes 22) Sopwith photo for sale, going, going, almost gone by "Dave Watts" 23) RE: Sopwith photo for sale, going, going, almost gone by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:32:51 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Sopwith Rhino Message-ID: I checked Mick Davis's "Sopwith Aircraft" and the dimensions are as Steve mentions Length 27'8 Height 10'11 Wingspan all three wings 33'0" Chord all three wings 6'0" Stagger Middle to top 0'5" Lower to middle 0'5" Gap Middle to top 4'0" lower to Middle 4'0" Dihedral each wing 2 1/2 degrees No plan and only one photo in this book so I don't know where he got the measurements from as far as I can see only 2 were built X7 and X8. Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Steve > Cox > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:53 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Sopwith Rhino > > > I had a look in "Sopwith- the man and his aircraft" every > drawingexcept the > rhino. > > According to the book the chord on the Rhino was 6'0" and span > 33'0", close > but not the same as the strutter. I wonder if the Gnu would have been > similar in construction, though its not identical there are drawings. > > Regards > Steve > > nb Zeppelin making slow progress > =========================================== > steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html > If I didn't spend so much time on line > ‹‹ I'd get some models finished > ================ > > > From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com > > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:11:13 -0400 (EDT) > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Sopwith Rhino > > > > First of all thanks to those who expressed a liking for my > Sopwith Gordon > > Bennett on the cook-up pages. It photographs better than it > actually is ;) > > > > What I really wanted to do was a Sopwith Rhino, but I couldn't get the > > drawing right, Does anyone know of an existing drawing? Any > scale. And do we > > reckon there might have been some "Strutter" components in it. > The span is > > about right and the tail looks as though it might be similar. > > > > cheers > > > > Peter L > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:41:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Delta news Message-ID: <200105030241.WAA06120@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I just received a newsletter from Delta Aviation (they released the > single subject Belgium Nie.11 decals) and he lists a HP V.1500 listed > for release. That is the next step past the O/400, right? Yep you are correct. Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:43:20 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ot Plea for microcassette transfer. Message-ID: <6b.13b7e1eb.28221fc8@aol.com> Hi Steve, go to Radio Shack and buy their cheapest micro cassette recorder that has an audio out function on it, My wife and daughter both have them for when they take college classes and want to record the professor. Or better yet, do you know anyone in college, most likely they have one you could borrow for a short time to transfer the tape over. I take it you have a regular cassette recorder/player? Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:44:53 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: SE 5a seat Message-ID: <3AF0C5D8.526@airmail.net> In the S.E. % File, on page 66, a partially naked SE at Wolseley Motors in March 1918, shows an "L" shaped bench type seat. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:48:35 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Rhino Message-ID: <002801c0d383$eed9c6c0$7f01010a@jaring.my> Peter, you should have received some scans of 2 Rhino drawings - one of them rather "warped". According to the "21st Profile", there were (at least) 3 different design versions of the Rhino: The original drawing (Sopwith drawing 2285 of Sept. 19, 1917) shows an aircraft with a span of 33 ft 2 in, chord 6 ft, length 27 ft 10 in, height (tail up) 13 ft 3 in, wing gap 4 ft 9 in. X 7 as build was drawn with a length of 27 ft 8 in only, wing gap reduced to 4 ft, height (tail up) therefore reduced to 11 ft. Wheel track increased from 5 ft to 5 ft 6 in. X 8 (later?) modified with a different fin and rudder shape and an increased wing gap (by 9 inches). Wingspan is given as 33 ft 2 in for all versions, with a deviation of two inches compared to other publications. The text is somewhat confused: I have not checked it against the photos, which might reveal further discrepancies. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:43:34 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Pay and Non-Pay ezines was [Re: Looking For Modeling Article Writers Message-ID: <001901c0d383$858f2020$0bf1303f@i7e2z6> Allan, For which I thank you heartily. I doubt I could have gotten more information, quicker from a better bunch of WWI nuts anywhere...........and it's the best price of all, Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Wright To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Pay and Non-Pay ezines was [Re: Looking For Modeling Article Writers > I welcome anyone to try out pay e-zines. I belong to one for another > hobby and consider it a good value. I will run our site as a free site > as long as I'm employed at UNH for 2 reasons: > > 1) I'm permitted to use my computer to host it for free so there's no > cost to me so I don't HAVE to charge for it. > > 2) UNH prohibits me from using the machine for any commercial use > > If I ever get a 'real job' again (heaven forbid!) I may have to add > advertisements or ask for a nominal fee to pay for the costs, but I hope > that never happens. I like it the way it is. > > Allan > > > > > > > Matt, > > > > >And the second one is it's a pay site. > > > > The modellers market is big enough to satisfy all > > the differant subscription type markets. It > > doesnt have to be one to the exclusion of the > > other. I am sure someone who does like to > > subscribe to that e-zine still reads IM. You > > might get a kick out of doing an article for a > > kit, someone else might get a kick out of a check > > for an article. Everyone has to scratch their own > > itch. > > > > > > > > > > > > cam > > http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > Get your email at > > http://www.prontomail.com > > > > > ============================================================================ === > Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside > University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org > ============================================================================ === ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:43:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Sopwith Rhino Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748FF7@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Volker says: > > According to the "21st Profile", there were (at least) 3 > different design > versions of the Rhino: > > The original drawing (Sopwith drawing 2285 of Sept. 19, 1917) shows an > aircraft with a span of 33 ft 2 in, chord 6 ft, length 27 ft > 10 in, height > (tail up) 13 ft 3 in, wing gap 4 ft 9 in. > > X 7 as build was drawn with a length of 27 ft 8 in only, wing > gap reduced to > 4 ft, height (tail up) therefore reduced to 11 ft. Wheel > track increased > from 5 ft to 5 ft 6 in. Reducing the wing gap by 9" (4'9" to 4') reduced the height by 2'3" (13'3" to 11') ? Is it your maths, or was there *another* change? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:50:32 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Austrian Website - Be prepared! - Message-ID: <003f01c0d384$3462ae00$0bf1303f@i7e2z6> I have been corresponding with Herr Plattner, and I agree very much. He has given invaluable help with my current Berg DI. Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Trauner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: Austrian Website - Be prepared! - > Ladies and Gentlemen, > scrolling around on Sierra's website I found a stunning pic of an austrian > Brandenburg. > Here is the adress of Peter Plattner, who made it: > > http://kukaviation.cjb.net/ > > It's all austrian text, but Gallerie means Gallery and Archiv means Archives > and Workbench means Workbench. Fasten your seatbelts and prepare the finger > chopper. > > Hans > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:54:22 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Henri Farre (was Albert Ball's A134) Message-ID: <3AF0D66E.3C28010E@mars.ark.com> That's the one - have you seen it before? I'm not expecting museum quality reproductions of course but I'm hoping it will shed some light on a few things, including his painting of a red N.11... Mike Lance Krieg wrote: > > Mike reports: > > " I have ordered a book of his aircraft paintings from http://www.scry.com/ayer/ - a reprint from a 1920 book..." > > Please advise if this is "Sky Fighters of France", or some other book. I would like a book of his paintings, too, but "Sky Fighters" looks more like an illustrated reminiscence; how can one publish an art book for $22.00? > > Or have I got the wrong title? > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 22:42:10 -0500 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Correct Air Pressure for Future Message-ID: >John said: <recently lowered the pressure to 18 to 22 psi, ...>> > >Where can I get an inexpensive air pressure control and gauge? I bought a >cheap airbrush a week or so ago, tested it with an old compressor just to >see if it worked at all (because it is such a cheap one) and it does seem to >work. The compressor has no pressure adjustment or gauge. > Jim, You are in Denver, go to Colpar Hobbies in Aurora. They should be able to fix you up with what you need, or point you to the place that can. When you get there, tell the gang I said hi. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:13:51 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Rhino Message-ID: <005d01c0d387$a65974a0$7f01010a@jaring.my> Yep, it does *not* fit. There must have been more changes. First, the wing gap was reduced for all three wings (that is twice reduced from 4ft9in to 4 ft), which should have an influence on the wing vs. fuselage arrangement (maybe even the fuselage depth?). But that would only give 1 ft 6 in. Maybe the rest (just by chance *another* 9 inches) came with the change in the undercarriage area? Difficult to judge from the drawings, as they are quite small (and being copies, anyway somewhat doubtful). Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:49 AM Subject: RE: Sopwith Rhino > Volker says: > > > > > According to the "21st Profile", there were (at least) 3 snip > Reducing the wing gap by 9" (4'9" to 4') reduced the height by 2'3" (13'3" > to 11') ? > > Is it your maths, or was there *another* change? > > Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:09:03 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 50 Kilo bomb info Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010502210822.01d92eb0@pop.amug.org> dave, marty showed these as having 3 fins. eric At 01:17 AM 5/2/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Y'all, > > Well, I am now confused about the durned bombs that hang under my Gotha. >I cast 7 nice ballistic shapes, and now I need to add fins. But were 3 or 4 >fins more prevalent on 50 Kg bombs? The Datafile shows 3-finned HE bombs, >but also a bomb it says is a 50Kg bomb has clearly 4 canted fins on it. > > Also, I know that somewhere, I have info on bomb color. I realize that >light grey, brown, and pale blue were possible colors. Was there a >color-coding system for aerial bombs, and if so, what would be appropriate >for a 50Kg HE bomb? > > Hopefully, I can get more of this built without melting anymore parts. >I'm happy with most of it so far. > > >TIA!! > > >DB > >..who damned-near threw the Squadron book against the wall when he saw some >of the captions of the photos - jeez! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 00:14:20 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Thanks Guys! Message-ID: Thanks Allan, Diego and Nigel for the kind words! It's nice to 'join the ranks' with this talented group. I'll have some more 'planes to post in a few days as I will have some time to photograph them (which I need serious improvement on!) Again, Allan... thanks for putting up with all the frustrating emails! I've always got several pieces on the workbench at one time; currently the Pegasus Phonix and Eduard Fok. DVIII, as well as some ot pieces. Diego... good ideas are certainly important, but I'd be lying if I claimed they all came from my own head... I look for inspiration from other sources such as books and paintings, if not from others' miniatures. And yes, I insist practice and repetition results in improvement! :) Cheers, Andrei Andrei Koribanics II 8 Falcon Place Wayne, NJ 07470 Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378 email: andreikor@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 00:23:33 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Catalogue of Nieuport Aircraft Message-ID: <3AF0DD45.574B8BA@mars.ark.com> The Catalogue of Nieuport Aircraft France 1918 Item #1137906982 got to $96.00 but didn't make the sellers researve (greedy bugger). A bit too rich for me. The copy at Rhinebeck must have been from 1917 as the N.28 wasn't listed yet. No drawings though - but lots of dimensions. Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:19:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Sopwith Rhino Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748FF9@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Volker > Maybe > the rest (just by chance *another* 9 inches) came with the > change in the > undercarriage area? I wonder if the track was changed by the simple expedient of longer spreader bars and axles - which would lower the fuselage if the legs stayed the same length. Of course, that wouldn't explain the full 9" because the increase in track isn't great enough. More mysteries. An ideal modelling subject for ex-listee Tom Eisenhour who says he "models the obscure and unverifiable", presumably with intent to annoy judges and other pedants (like me ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:20:38 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010502210916.01d92210@pop.amug.org> dear listees, the gotha is finally ready and i will be shipping late this week and early next week. there are a couple of minor problems with the pe fret. i will have a fix for this very shortly and will of course send the supplemental fret at no extra charge. i should have this in a week or so. the figures should be ready in about 2 weeks or less. i may be able to ship these sooner.to the people that already ordered them. i will be working on them this weekend. if these molds work i can ship earlier. our next kit will be lohner b.ii and i am looking at a end of june early july release date, by the ipms nats i hope. thanks again. regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:29:27 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DML Fokker D-VII Message-ID: <3AF0DEA7.395FFB02@x25.net> Not quite right Shane. Ideal Capitalism is being paid for the work you do without being forced to give it to some one else who may never work at all. You and you alone are the one who decides what to give away for your own reasons. That includes giving nothing if it suits you. I figure I give enough to model creators and Magazine publishers. As an assist to others Scale Aviation Modeller Int., Vol 7- Issue 3, has a very nice Aviatik Berg article from page 282 through 287. Many very good Photos all in color. A bit gaudy but good. Lee M. Shane Weier wrote: > Tom, > > > Wrong! > > Capitalists work hard for their gains. > > Up to a point. The ideal in capitalism is to have many someone elses work > hard for your gains > > Shane > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 00:35:20 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <3AF0E009.F87A2C81@earthlink.net> May you live long and prosper, mein Eric!! I will be haunting my mailbox...in addition to the Gotha, please send one each of your new figures when available. And the Lohner B.II is next??? I can die happy--all my dreams are fulfilled Karen ERIC HIGHT wrote: > dear listees, > the gotha is finally ready and i will be shipping late this week and early > next week. there are a couple of minor problems with the pe fret. i will > have a fix for this very shortly and will of course send the supplemental > fret at no extra charge. i should have this in a week or so. > > the figures should be ready in about 2 weeks or less. i may be able to > ship these sooner.to the people that already ordered them. i will be > working on them this weekend. if these molds work i can ship earlier. > > our next kit will be lohner b.ii and i am looking at a end of june early > july release date, by the ipms nats i hope. > > thanks again. > regards, > eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 00:39:18 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Austrian Website - Be prepared! - Message-ID: <3AF0E0F7.EDDEB95C@earthlink.net> Thanks for the tip, Hans...some super work there. The Taube is mind-blowing! However, I don't know exactly what herr Plattner is doing with his site programming, but every time I get there, on the third model I try to see, my Netscape crashes (not my Mac, of course, but I won't bring that up again...). Anyone else having this occur? Dame Karen Hans Trauner wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, > scrolling around on Sierra's website I found a stunning pic of an austrian > Brandenburg. > Here is the adress of Peter Plattner, who made it: > > http://kukaviation.cjb.net/ > > It's all austrian text, but Gallerie means Gallery and Archiv means Archives > and Workbench means Workbench. Fasten your seatbelts and prepare the finger > chopper. > > Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:47:55 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010502214425.01d996b0@pop.amug.org> karen wrote: >May you live long and prosper, mein Eric!! > >I will be haunting my mailbox...in addition to the Gotha, please send one >each of your new figures when available. > >And the Lohner B.II is next??? > >I can die happy--all my dreams are fulfilled > >Karen my pleasure and i will add them to your order. i forgot to mention that your d.i. discount applies to the gotha and the figures. thanks again. eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:11:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <20010503051135.10122.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Finally! A another Lohner a/c!! I finally received the LSM Lohner type L. Todd --- ERIC HIGHT wrote: > karen wrote: > >May you live long and prosper, mein Eric!! > > > >I will be haunting my mailbox...in addition to the > Gotha, please send one > >each of your new figures when available. > > > >And the Lohner B.II is next??? > > > >I can die happy--all my dreams are fulfilled > > > >Karen > > my pleasure and i will add them to your order. > i forgot to mention that your d.i. discount applies > to the gotha and the > figures. thanks again. > eric > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 01:35:23 -0500 From: "Dave Watts" To: "\"W. W. I Group\" <", > Subject: Sopwith photo for sale, going, going, almost gone Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0D371.527D9160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Spotted this Sopwith who had seen better days, and is in peril! Anyone identify it? Best, Dave W. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0D371.527D9160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

Spotted this Sopwith who had seen better days, and is in = peril!

 

Anyone identify it?

 

Best,

Dave W.

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0D371.527D9160-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:40:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Sopwith photo for sale, going, going, almost gone Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748FFB@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dave, > > Spotted this Sopwith who had seen better days, and is in peril! > > Anyone identify it? That would be the obscure Sopwith Hayteemel I suppose ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3336 **********************