WWI Digest 3325 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: WWI model list by "Limon3" 2) Re: Cats by "Limon3" 3) Re: The Gotha is finished by "Limon3" 4) Re: by "Limon3" 5) Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... by Michael and Sharon Alvarado 6) Re: Why my Salmson got ignored today by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 7) RE: Why my Salmson got ignored today by Shane Weier 8) Blue Max was 'about pooches' by "David C. Fletcher" 9) New Listee? (was Why my Salmson got ignored today) by Karen Rychlewski 10) Etymology by "D Charles" 11) Re: Blue Max was 'about pooches' by "Matt Bittner" 12) Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 13) RE: But I'm alright physically for the most part... by Crawford Neil 14) Re: WWI model list by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 15) Re: Lots of things by "Tom Solinski" 16) RE: WWI model list by "dfernet0" 17) RE: just a theory: sunken louvers by Crawford Neil 18) RE: just a theory: sunken louvers by "dfernet0" 19) RE: just a theory: sunken louvers by Crawford Neil 20) RE: just a theory: sunken louvers by "dfernet0" 21) RE: just a theory: sunken louvers by "Michael Kendix" 22) RE: just a theory: sunken louvers by "dfernet0" 23) RE: just a theory: sunken louvers by Crawford Neil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:06:45 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: WWI model list Message-ID: <002901c0d122$990c7e80$52f1303f@i7e2z6> Hello Phil, Glad to hear that your juices are moving in the right direction, too bad you haven't come over to the good side of the Force (1/48). BTW, I have many relatives up your way, my mother passed away a year ago this month. Welcome to the most knowledgeable group on the planet about WWI. Gabe Limon (Central CA) ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Bytheway To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: WWI model list > I'm Phil Bytheway of Seattle WA.... currently 48 and working as an > Electrical Design engineer for Teknologic (thus the email). > > I used to do WWI modeling when I was in high school and college... but work, > marriage, etc has taken a front seat until the bug bit recently (ever happen > to any of you, hi). > > I joined your group to get "fired up" again... but I obviously missed a lot > since I faded away in the early '70s. > > I'm mostly interested in modeling 1/72 WWI aircraft and was wondering if > anyone has a list of all the kits produced and/or available. I've been > doing some ebay "looking" but really feel the need for a complete list (like > I didn't know there was a Martinsyde Elephant out until I read it here!!). > > I'm hoping to acquire and built a 1/72 model for all possible aircraft of > the period... would like to include those that only made a brief appearance > to those that were popular (I think I have, maybe, most of those kits > already??). > > Yes, I have a cat... and, so far, she has not done any damage to models... > even though a number of stacks of related paperwork have become horizontal > vs my verticle method of organization! > > Thanks for all your great comments... etc... the blood is moving in the > "right" direction now!! > > phil bytheway ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:10:31 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Cats Message-ID: <002f01c0d123$1e5ac6a0$52f1303f@i7e2z6> I, too, like cats, however when my son was found to have asthma, we had to give away his favorite "Toto Schillaci" (named for an Italian footballer) : - ( but we may just adopt a neighborhood cat "Orange," a real fighter. Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: Cats > > --part1_95.a165a56.281ddea9_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I like cats, but am glad I don't have one, I have noticed that anything that > looks even remotely like a bird gets their attention, sooner or later, and I > don't have any closed cabinets for display, battered models are not much fun. > Merrill > > --part1_95.a165a56.281ddea9_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I like cats, but am glad I don't have one, I have noticed that anything that >
looks even remotely like a bird gets their attention, sooner or later, and I >
don't have any closed cabinets for display, battered models are not much fun. >
Merrill > > --part1_95.a165a56.281ddea9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:22:14 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: The Gotha is finished Message-ID: <006e01c0d124$cfd75f00$52f1303f@i7e2z6> Hi Dennis, Just in time for me to take a peek. I just got a boatload of old Aurora kits from a fellow who says he's getting too old (78) to model much WWI anymore......... and........there was a K&B Gotha (in the right scale, of course).....and the price was right, FREE. Talk about a nice trip down memory lane. Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Ugulano To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 5:58 PM Subject: The Gotha is finished > Everyone, > > The final installment of the Gotha is on line. A nice addition to > the collection > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm > Page Revised 4/22/01 > "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:31:56 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Message-ID: <008c01c0d126$20f28120$52f1303f@i7e2z6> What a gas ............. ;-} Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Landon To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 7:13 PM > brown@a1.vscc.cc.tn.us > Subject: Why my Salmson got ignored today > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:08:54 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > Message-ID: > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2001 02:08:55.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[8281E680:01C0D11A] > > Sorry, this is way way way off topic. Except that it explains why I din't > get much done on the Salmson this afternoon. > > I turned on our lawn sprinkler system this afternoon for the first time this > season and was making sure each zone worked okay. Marilyn was inside > watching TV or reading the Sunday paper or something. The first time a > sprinkler zone came on, there was a loud bang in the house which concerned > Marilyn and she came to the door to inform me. I said it was probably the > sudden surge of water in pipes that had been empty all winter. This was > confirmed as I tested each zone and always got the loud bang. I think it's > called water hammering. > > When I had finished testing the sprinklers and setting the timer, I went > inside. I was immediately confronted by a strong odor of Natural Gas. > Marilyn hadn't noticed it before, but after I said something and came over > to where I was she could smell it too. > > We made quick checks of the gas stove, the gas barbeque out on the deck, the > gas fireplace, the gas clothes dryer, the water heaters and the furnaces. > Nothing. And yet each time we returned to a certain area of the house we > could smell gas. I got to wondering if the water hammering had somehow > knocked a joint loose in a gas pipe. We opened the patio door and the front > door and then decided we should do as the TV advertisement says: don't turn > anything electrical on or off, don't even pick up the phone, because a tiny > spark could cause an explosion, leave the house and phone the gas company > from a neighbor's house. Marilyn grabbed a monthly statement from the power > company so we'd have the number (clever of her). She also suggested we just > take the cordless phone out with us instead of having to disturb a neighbor > (clever again). > > After the usual frustration of getting an automated answering machine with > "press one for English or two for Spanish" and a bunch of other choices, > finally including "to report a gas leak" Marilyn got to talk to a real > person. She said someone would be out within two hours. When Marilyn told > me that I said "What!" I asked Marilyn if they said to get out of the > house. No. Obviously Marilyn had gotten a trainee or something so I > decided to call back. Same story. I asked her why two hours was the best > they could do in an emergency. She said at my disgression, if I was really > concerned, I could call 911. I did. > > Even calling 911 was a tiny bit weird, because after I reported the > situation and gave our address and phone number, she transferred me to the > fire department and I had to start from scratch with them, with "What is > your emergency?" > > Eventually the pumper truck arrived. I didn't time it, but then we hadn't > reported a fire either. We heard the siren from far off but they killed it > when they got a few blocks away. The truck stopped at the intersection a > half block away and seemed to not know which way to turn, so we waved at > them, but they were no doubt getting directions over their radio. They > pulled up in front of our house like they had just driven to a restaurant > for supper, no sense of urgency. We repeated our story and they took their > electronic sniffer inside. One guy went to the gas meter to see if the > dials were spinning. I'd already done that myself and had seen a slow > movement. Meanwhile Marilyn's on the phone with our daughter giving her a > blow-by-blow account. > > The firemen came back outside and reported they found nothing. What? We > couldn't believe it. We had definitely smelled gas for a considerable > length of time. They suggested that perhaps a burner on the stove didn't > get turned clear off -- sometimes it looks like it's on the "OFF" mark but > it isn't quite completely off. Marilyn had checked the stove knobs when we > were looking for the source, and maybe in so doing she had unknowingly > turned it the rest of the way off. Marilyn had boiled some eggs earlier, so > it seemed feasible. They said it was safe to go back inside. We did. > Nothing. No more gas smell. > > A little while later the gas company guy arrives. I told him the story > about calling 911 and everything. He took his electronic sniffer inside and > checked everything imaginable very thoroughly. We discussed all the > possibilities. His ultra-sensitive sniffer found a tiny tiny tiny leak in > the connections to the gas clothes dryer, not enough to be a factor, and it > didn't even make bubbles in his soap solution, but he tightened the > connections anyway. I commented that we still had an unsolved mystery > because we had definately smelled gas. He assured us there was no leak. > > Later Marilyn went to eat one of the hard boiled eggs. It wasn't. It was > still runny. She had cooked them for 20 minutes per the recipe. Suddenly > it dawned on her: the flame must have gone out on that burner under the eggs > -- she had turned it to "Low". This had never happened before, but maybe > there was an air pocket in the gas supply or something. Not sure why the > smell wasn't stronger over by the stove when we were hunting for the source, > must have been the air movement in the house. > > What an "interesting" afternoon. > > Jim > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:31:05 -0400 From: Michael and Sharon Alvarado To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Message-ID: <3AECEA89.F1757F7A@verizon.net> Brian, Glad to hear you're alright. It seems that everyone was playing bumper cars in the DC area last week. i had to drive down to Crystal City twice last week and the traffic jams resulting from accidents all over the place just about shut everything down. On top of that I have to brave the Virginia DMV tomorrow for a driver's license renewal. Ain't drivin' fun? Mike Shane Weier wrote: > Brian, > > Perfect excuse to buy a few more models - > > "Honey, I just wasn't myself - it must have been the shock" > > (except that even the dumbest wife will detect that going out and buying > models *is* being yourself. I may have to rethink this idea....) > > Anyway - get back to the bench mate, and don't go frightening us like that > again! > > Shane > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:28:58 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Why my Salmson got ignored today Message-ID: <3AECDBFA.634AA177@tac.com.au> Margaret Peek wrote stuff ..... and I realised that we have another member for "The Sisterhood of WW1 Modellers". Hey, we're growing by leaps and bounds, which is fabulous news :-) Welcome Margy!! Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:33:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Why my Salmson got ignored today Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748FCE@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Lorna says: > Margaret Peek wrote stuff ..... > > and I realised that we have another member for "The Sisterhood of WW1 > Modellers". Hey, we're growing by leaps and bounds, which is fabulous > news :-) > > Welcome Margy!! I second that. All in favour ? Hey Mistress Lorna - I'm going to be in Sinny from next Monday night until Thursday afternoon. Know of any WW1 modellers in the area who'd fancy a restaurant meal and a bit too much red wine? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:54:28 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Blue Max was 'about pooches' Message-ID: <3AECFE14.80101@mars.ark.com> I can bring this OT!!! I have a neighbour who has a pup, a Blue Healer, named - pause (paws?) for effect - "Blue Max" at my suggestion. She is putting together an album and would like an illustration of a Blue Max (a.k.a. Pour le Merite) for the front cover. I have one but it isn't great. Can anybody send me a scan of the decoration and a historical summary? This lady used to own a Cessna 172 and was the mayor of the town she used to live in, so she would fit right in here... Incidentally, the illustration I have of the Blue Max is from the commemorative souvenir booklet produced for the premiere of the move of the same name. The 'history' of the medal is, therefore, 'Hollywood suspect'. By the way I have three Samoyed dogs, totalling 173 pounds and they love cats - fried, boiled, barbecued... Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:06:14 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: New Listee? (was Why my Salmson got ignored today) Message-ID: <3AED00D5.AAED77B9@earthlink.net> Margaret Peek wrote: > but nothing about cats...thankfully Hi Margy If you ever find a good plumber (carpenter/electrician/roofer/auto mechanic/appliance repairman) chances are you'll have to marry him to keep him. I've been through more of these tradesmen than a cat has kittens. (no, don't start up again guys, I've heard more about them than I ever wanted to...I bonded with a dog: when she went to the big doghouse in the sky, I couldn't bear to think about a replacement...I have fish now:unnamed) That digression is indicative of this list: a word, a phrase, a simple aside, tucked in the middle of a discourse on rigging materials, muddy battles, or giant-scale Salmsons will produce an outpouring of stream-of-consciousness reminiscences, confessions, fantasies, or some such--you know how men are: can't answer a simple question :-) And that's why you're gonna love this list if you're interested in modeling WWI airplanes: when they can keep on track, these folks are a gold mine of information about every aspect of the hobby--and all given freely. And when they *don't* keep on track, it's a hoot! Better cultivate a sense of humor, though...it gets brutal in here sometimes! Welcome to the list--tell us about yourself Dame Karen in Wheeling WV ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:02:32 +1000 From: "D Charles" To: Subject: Etymology Message-ID: <019801c0d154$7acd3220$e429d7d2@Charls> And where would the military be without KHAKI? Hindi for dusty. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" > > I should have guessed it'd be that. Other Hindi words ahve > > been adopted > > into the english language as slang - e.g. char (tea), wallah > > (bloke/person). > > And of course - charwallah ! > > Amongst my other perversions (WW1 modelling, military history) I'm > interested in etymology, so a question on the origon of a word will *always* > picque my interest. > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 05:47:57 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Blue Max was 'about pooches' Message-ID: <200104301045.DAA28337@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:59:44 -0400 (EDT), David C. Fletcher wrote: > By the way I have three Samoyed dogs, totalling 173 pounds and they love > cats - fried, boiled, barbecued... Sounds like my mix - part Bassett, part Rottweiler. He really likes the cats, too... :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:43:10 +0100 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Message-ID: Brian, like others have mentioned.. .been there, done that. Glad you're okay but keep an eye on any aches and pains that keep on aching and paining. Relax and build a model, perhaps a model of your dream armoured, armed and above all crash proof car?? Then chortle with glee at the thought of idiot red light runners being smashed to flinders agains your armour plate bumpers, or being stopped short of a collision with you by a hail of lead :-) Sorry getting carried away. Too much driving in london, where it's very much a full contact blood sport. MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:22:28 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Message-ID: Just an aside, I've driven through London twice, once in a swedish registered car, no problems at all, everyone was ever so well-mannered, the other time was in a GB-reg rented car ,not so fun at all. But what impressed me most was coming out the other side of London into a November blizzard, nobody lifted off a second, 140kph bumper to bumper, over here we slow down when it begins to snow, thats the stuff McCuddens are made of! /Neil PS. Glad you're OK Brian, take it easy, build models. Too much driving in london, where > it's very > much a full contact blood sport. > > MVJ > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:59:17 +0100 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWI model list Message-ID: Welcome Phil, as you've already gathered this is the place to work the kinks out of your WWI addiction. Enjoy and good luck with the master plan for full 1:72 scale representation. . .building one of everything eh . . .now if that isn't proof 72 scalers are all a little touched, I don't know what is ;-) Ducking for friendly lines MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:35:14 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Lots of things Message-ID: <003a01c0d172$01599960$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> I looked over at > them, and the neighbor's cats had joined them, six or seven all together, > craning their necks to watch. I have never figured out why they were watching. > Merrill BIKER CATS!!!! On my home front we have: Three cats, Phu, Lucky and Cali, Cali sleeps amongst my models, but I've never had any damage. Two dogs, A.B (Airport Bum) and Bandita. After a long absence I actual worked on 3 models this weekend, from my childhood the Monkeymobile, an ot "Gunslinger" blow torch for a customer, and (faint of heart turn away) a Glenco AH Albatross. Wishing every one a SAFE new work week Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:38:39 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: WWI model list Message-ID: <03e701c0d172$7b827cc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Welcome from Argentina, Phil As already said, the list is a great place to be: lots of info and lots of funny people. Steve Schofield has a very comprehensive list of every 1/72 WW1 aircraft kit. On the WW1 modelling website, you also will find some comments on http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/index.html Good choice of scale and good luck! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:35:40 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers Message-ID: Jan in Finland suggested a good way of doing these, you saw out a square hole in the cowling as D suggests, then fill the hole with milliput, you'd need a backer plate to keep the milliput in place, then just press a small tool into the milliput to enscribe the louvres. I think you could carve a suitably shaped bit of plastic to do the job. I for one will probably continue to have my louvres on the outside, because so much cutting out squares in Spad noses can seriously damage your (mental) health. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:d_fernetti@hotmail.com] > Sent: den 28 april 2001 14:49 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: just a theory: sunken louvers > > > Hi: > After seeing "Red Planet" -one I warmly reccomend specially > for the scenes > of Carrie-Ann Moss, if you liked Ursula at the Blue Max you > surely will like > this flick- (I'm skilled turning ot comments into OT, see?) I > was so happy > that I turned into the modelling philosopher people has > learned to love. > Sunken louvers. Spads. Spads have lots of sunken louvers. In > 1/72, the chin > of model spads always have the usual way of representing > louvers, that is, > the raised type. That's OK for some examples, but it was more > typical that > the Spads would have the opposite form, as the cooling > louvers in the cowl > were pressed from the outside to form small depressions on > the surface of > the metal. How to do this in a model without a miniature > louver punch and a > microscope? > I have tought on two methods: > #1- Cut square holes on the cowl where the row of louvers are > supposed to > go. Be as precise and possible. Score lines on styrene sheet > at the louver > distance and sand it to tidy up the edges of the scoring. Cut > the styrene > into strips of the same width of the cowl squarish holes. > Glue strips flush > in the cowl and clean the joints. Pros: fast, relatively > easy. Cons: the > depressions aren't as sharp as they ought to be, difficult > cleaning up. > #2. Basically the same procedure at first. However, this time > get a styrene > strip of a width of the louver+the space between them (in > 1/72 this can be > about 1.5 or 2 mm)and bevel on one side only, just the > "depressed" louver > width. Cut the bevelled strip in small segments equal of the > width of the > holes of the cowl and apply these little "bricks" one by one > until you cover > all the hole in the cowl. Pros: the louver edges will be > sharper. Cons: you > may become crazy before finishing. > Modelling has its risks, isn't it? > D. > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:45:41 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers Message-ID: <03f501c0d173$77016c00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hey Neil I already was damaged merchandise when I joined the list , you know... However Jan's approach seems to have more sense than my musings. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers > Jan in Finland suggested a good way of doing these, you saw out a > square hole in the cowling as D suggests, then fill the hole with > milliput, you'd need a backer plate to keep the milliput in place, > then just press a small tool into the milliput to enscribe the > louvres. I think you could carve a suitably shaped bit of plastic > to do the job. I for one will probably continue to have my louvres > on the outside, because so much cutting out squares in Spad noses > can seriously damage your (mental) health. > /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:50:35 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers Message-ID: Yes but your musing caused me to remember this. I forgot to mention that cleaning up with sandpaper should be done when everything is dry. I'm not convinced this will really work, maybe on a model with only a few louvres, but on a Spad that is covered with them, the whole nose might collapse! A Salmson is of course beyond contemplating:-) /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 30 april 2001 14:46 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers > > > Hey Neil > I already was damaged merchandise when I joined the list , you know... > However Jan's approach seems to have more sense than my musings. > D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Crawford Neil > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:41 AM > Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers > > > > Jan in Finland suggested a good way of doing these, you saw out a > > square hole in the cowling as D suggests, then fill the hole with > > milliput, you'd need a backer plate to keep the milliput in place, > > then just press a small tool into the milliput to enscribe the > > louvres. I think you could carve a suitably shaped bit of plastic > > to do the job. I for one will probably continue to have my louvres > > on the outside, because so much cutting out squares in Spad noses > > can seriously damage your (mental) health. > > /Neil > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:00:08 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers Message-ID: <03fd01c0d175$7d1e7220$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> The trouble with pressing some tool on fresh putty is that the volume displaced by the tool surely will affect the exterior shape of the louvre, eve allowing that most puttys shrink after curing. Another louvre dog is the Breguet 14, but at least those are on flat panels! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers > Yes but your musing caused me to remember this. I forgot to > mention that cleaning up with sandpaper should be done > when everything is dry. I'm not convinced this will really > work, maybe on a model with only a few louvres, but on a Spad > that is covered with them, the whole nose might collapse! > A Salmson is of course beyond contemplating:-) > /Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > > Sent: den 30 april 2001 14:46 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers > > > > > > Hey Neil > > I already was damaged merchandise when I joined the list , you know... > > However Jan's approach seems to have more sense than my musings. > > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Crawford Neil > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:41 AM > > Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers > > > > > > > Jan in Finland suggested a good way of doing these, you saw out a > > > square hole in the cowling as D suggests, then fill the hole with > > > milliput, you'd need a backer plate to keep the milliput in place, > > > then just press a small tool into the milliput to enscribe the > > > louvres. I think you could carve a suitably shaped bit of plastic > > > to do the job. I for one will probably continue to have my louvres > > > on the outside, because so much cutting out squares in Spad noses > > > can seriously damage your (mental) health. > > > /Neil > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:08:15 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers Message-ID: >From: "dfernet0" >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:00:57 -0400 (EDT) > >The trouble with pressing some tool on fresh putty is that the volume >displaced by the tool surely will affect the exterior shape of the >louvre, >eve allowing that most puttys shrink after curing. Not that I have ever attempted it nor am I doing so in the near future but didn't Shane Weier have some method for his Bristol F.2B (albeit in 1/48th scale) that might be applied. I think he did some thing akin to St. Harry Woodman's recommendation - lengths of plastic with a triangular-shaped cross-section. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:19:58 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers Message-ID: <046d01c0d178$4189bb40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Michael! > Not that I have ever attempted it nor am I doing so in the near future but > didn't Shane Weier have some method for his Bristol F.2B (albeit in 1/48th > scale) that might be applied. That's fine, but how to do the "sunken" type of louvres? And the case is worsened when -as in the Spad- the louvres are legion. Perhaps a PE replacement panel? hmmmmm... no! the Spad "chin" is a double-curved surface! Ce maudit Bechereau! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:16:55 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers Message-ID: That's how I did them on my Spad 16, it works well, except for being mind-blowingly fiddly. the only problem is that on a Spad, they should be sunken, thus this discussion. I think raised louvres looks right and is (just) practicable, so I'll probably stay with this method. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Kendix [mailto:mkendix@hotmail.com] > Sent: den 30 april 2001 15:14 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: just a theory: sunken louvers > > > >From: "dfernet0" > >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:00:57 -0400 (EDT) > > > >The trouble with pressing some tool on fresh putty is that the volume > >displaced by the tool surely will affect the exterior shape > of the >louvre, > >eve allowing that most puttys shrink after curing. > > Not that I have ever attempted it nor am I doing so in the > near future but > didn't Shane Weier have some method for his Bristol F.2B > (albeit in 1/48th > scale) that might be applied. I think he did some thing akin > to St. Harry > Woodman's recommendation - lengths of plastic with a > triangular-shaped > cross-section. > > Michael > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3325 **********************