WWI Digest 3322 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: But I'm alright physically for the most part... by "Gaston Graf" 2) RE: soldier referendum and French sentiment.Re: RE: Passchendale/Haig by "Gaston Graf" 3) Have Faith, Brian! by Andreikor@aol.com 4) Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... by RadspadMike@netscape.net 5) RE: Haig (was Passchendale) by "Nigel Rayner" 6) Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... by "Jim Landon" 7) Re: Floh Plans by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 8) Harleyford books by "Ken Zelnick" 9) Re: DISPOSABLE HEROES was RE: Passchendale/Haig by "Michael Kendix" 10) Re: Harleyford books by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 11) RE: Harleyford books by "Ray Boorman" 12) Re: C&C! V.32 #1 by Russell W Niles 13) RE: DISPOSABLE HEROES was RE: Passchendale/Haig by "Nigel Rayner" 14) RE: DISPOSABLE HEROES was RE: Passchendale/Haig by "Gaston Graf" 15) Re: DISPOSABLE HEROES was RE: Passchendale/Haig by "Tom Sollers" 16) crash by "TOM PLESHA" 17) Re: crash by Karen Rychlewski 18) Re: crash by "TOM PLESHA" 19) RE: Cat booby trap by Shane Weier 20) RE: First tank attack was RE: Passchendaele by Shane Weier 21) RE: Rigging by Shane Weier 22) RE: Passchendale/Haig by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:49:20 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Message-ID: Glad you lost just a car, Brian, but not your health of even your life! Don't worry about the bent metal - it sure can be replaced while your bones couldn't. Get you a beer or two or more and relax - then build a model! Ehmmm....... build the model AFTER getting sober again - I don't want to be blamed for you loosing an eye or a finger because somebody might think that I advised you to drink and play around with a sharp modeling knife. all the very best Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Brian > Nicklas > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 3:14 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: But I'm alright physically for the most part... > > > Hi gang, > I had the misfortune of being the victim of a red-light runner yesterday > morning. > I had a Bright Blue 1998 V6 Ford Mustang Coupe, but I think it is a > write-off. > The air bags deployed, and I didn't go too far under the truck, so I'm > still > here. But very saddened and mad and ... > Getting paramedics to pull you out of your car with a neck brace and > strapped > to a backboard is not fun - nor is spending the day strapped to same board > while they determine if you broke anything. > So please be careful out there - I always try to leave myself an out when > driving, > but sometimes the unexpected happens, that's why its unexpected I guess. > As soon as I stop shaking I'll try to build a model... > Brian Nicklas > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:58:04 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: soldier referendum and French sentiment.Re: RE: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: You are certainly right, Steve - but WHO was responsible for this mentality? Think about the sources where the people of that time got information from! Today we have the radio, we have TV, phones, computers, we have the internet... But at the time of WW1 there was only the teachers and the priests who took a major influence on the education of the population. Who was it who pushed classes of young students to "volounteer" for the war because its cause was justified to be "right"? Before somebody will blame me poor dude again for my statements please notice that it was a retired teacher and historian who brought this fact to my attention! His name is Jean Dauphin and the man lives in Latour, not far from Virton in Belgium. Like me, he researches the early battles as well, and like many many other people he too one day asked himself the question: WHY? Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of > Stephendigiacomo@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 3:37 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: soldier referendum and French sentiment.Re: RE: > Passchendale/Haig > > > One of the French thinkers who survived the war said that > they were "a > sacrificed generation." He meant that in a positive sense, not > in the sense > that they were cheated. He meant that they wanted to die for > France. They > wanted the day of revenge for 1870-71. ("The Generation of 1914".) > Everybody jumped into uniform at first. It would be nice if > the SOP for > every beligerent was to put continuation of military operations to the > soldiers for a referendum. I wonder what would happen if WWI > indeed didn't > happen. It's impossible for me to go far with that. I'm sure we've would > have come up with SOMETHING to fight about; it just wouldn't be right. > ~Steve di Giacomo > > > In a message dated 4/27/1 5:21:10 PM, ggraf@vo.lu writes: > > << No need to feel bad about true facts. Almost all military > leaders of the > Great War was men eating bastards who send sons, husbands, > vathers to death > by thousands without asking their mothers, wifes and children, no matter > what site they "fought" for... In fact they erased a complete > generation of > those who was in their early twenties as they died. > Just imagine how the world would be today if no WW1 would have happened... > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) >> > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:02:59 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Have Faith, Brian! Message-ID: <74.a068137.281c35a3@aol.com> Brian, Very sorry to hear about your accident and hope you don't suffer as yet undetected injuries; as cliche as it may sound, though... you have a guardian angel... be glad to be alive! Cheers, Andrei Andrei Koribanics II 8 Falcon Place Wayne, NJ 07470 Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378 email: andreikor@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:07:11 -0400 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Message-ID: <44431647.4F46235C.3E0364A1@netscape.net> Hi Brian, Wishing you a full and speedy recovery. Take care and get some rest. The models will wait. . . . I know, mine have been waiting a long time but not for the same reason. ;-) Get well, Mike K. Brian wrote: > > << Hi gang, > I had the misfortune of being the victim of a red-light runner yesterday > morning. > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:58:25 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Haig (was Passchendale) Message-ID: <000001c0cffc$0f4719c0$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Michael wrote, commenting on Merrill's post: >I agree about Haig. Having read a fair amount about him both pro & con, I >cannot make up my mind. Every so often the WWI history list has a go-round >on whether he was a genius or a monster (neither in my opinion). No simple answer I fear (as Merrill and Michael point out). I read an interesting article in the BBC's "History" magazine about oral histories from WWI veterans. Much of the oral record is at odds with the "received" view of WWI as a futile bloodbath, and Haig was apprently much admired by his men. The article also quotes Lyn Macdonald, who feels that our late 20th century perceptions have influenced recent oral history, as the image of veterans has changed from brave heroes to pitiful victims. A 101-year old veteran is quoted as saying "What people don't understand now is that we were idealists. We fought for King and Country .......people don't understand those concepts now. Patriotism is a dirty word." All the more reason for us to remember the serious side of our hobby so that people are encouraged to ask more about WWI and make up their own minds. Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:47:12 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Message-ID: Brian! Glad you're okay. Jim >From: "Brian Nicklas" Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org To: Multiple recipients >of list Subject: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Date: Fri, >27 Apr 2001 21:13:27 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi gang, I had the misfortune of being the victim of a red-light runner >yesterday morning. I had a Bright Blue 1998 V6 Ford Mustang Coupe, but I >think it is a write-off. The air bags deployed, and I didn't go too far >under the truck, so I'm still here. But very saddened and mad and ... >Getting paramedics to pull you out of your car with a neck brace and >strapped to a backboard is not fun - nor is spending the day strapped to >same board while they determine if you broke anything. So please be careful >out there - I always try to leave myself an out when driving, but sometimes >the unexpected happens, that's why its unexpected I guess. As soon as I >stop shaking I'll try to build a model... Brian Nicklas > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:04:35 EDT From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Floh Plans Message-ID: <95.a079350.281c5223@aol.com> Turns out I DO have WWI Warplanes Part 1 after all! Got to index this lot one of these days. If whoever it was still needs it mail me off list and I'll do a scan. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:33:36 -0500 From: "Ken Zelnick" To: Subject: Harleyford books Message-ID: <000701c0d01a$1f093c80$8d2ab4d0@tcac.net> Greetings, >From reading this list, I've gotten the impression that the Harleyford books are somewhat dated and inaccurate, but might still be worth having. I saw (too late) a couple of copies of _Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War_ listed for US$24.95, and closed without a bid. Is this too high, or could that be considered a fair price, just in case the opportunity arises again? TIA, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:42:02 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DISPOSABLE HEROES was RE: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: >And heck NO by no means I will write any statement such as the one you >mentionned! I will comment events from a neutral point of view and >leave >my emotions out of it like it should be done... Fine. >Because you feel so bad about that statement of mine, well this gives >me >the impression that emotions are not allowed in your world - one may >feel >bad about something, but one should not blame the responisbles for >it - >that's to bad IMHO. I'm not troubled about your emotions - emote away! I'm only interested in trying not to provide over-simplistic and incorrect answers to the issue at hand. The idea you put forward is simply not a fact as you state it and it's misleading in its simplicity as an explanation of what took place. As a counter point, some would argue that the "cost" was needed to prevent a worse disaster for France; namely, having the German Army marching down the Champs d'Elysee (sp?)under the Arc de Triomphe (sp, again?). The unwillingness or inability of the British and French to pay the same price in 1940 lead to a different type of war. Now, I am not contending that this view is "correct" but it does offer an alternative explanation of the desperate strategy. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:44:04 EDT From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Harleyford books Message-ID: I would call that a fair price. As you say, much of the content has been superseded by later works. A bad plan though can always be corrected and is better than no plan at all IMO , and some of the old Harleyford drawings are still the only game in town. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:55:31 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Harleyford books Message-ID: If you ever find the Harleyford Sopwith book, that is one to snap up. There are aircraft in there the Rainbow for example that probably aren't mentioned anywhere else. Len Smith put me on to this book and its still a very valuable resource. $30 usd is not unreasonable for any of the Harleyford books. The Marine Aircraft book is also one that is very rare. just my oppinion. Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of > LEONARDPeterL@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:48 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Harleyford books > > > I would call that a fair price. As you say, much of the content has been > superseded by later works. A bad plan though can always be > corrected and is > better than no plan at all IMO , and some of the old Harleyford > drawings are > still the only game in town. > > cheers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:53:19 -0700 From: Russell W Niles To: wwi@wwi-models.org Cc: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: C&C! V.32 #1 Message-ID: <20010428.125424.-435845.8.r_niles1@juno.com> Steve The list library is 9 miles from me. Is the C & C stillup for grabs Thanks Russ Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missiles....switching to guns. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:32:34 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: DISPOSABLE HEROES was RE: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: <000001c0d022$5b5f1f80$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Gaston made the emotive statement: >No need to feel bad about true facts. Almost all military leaders of the >Great War was men eating bastards who send sons, husbands, vathers to death >by thousands without asking their mothers, wifes and children, no matter >what site they "fought" for... And reacted to Michael's comments thus: >Because you feel so bad about that statement of mine, well this gives me the >impression that emotions are not allowed in your world Gaston, I agree that it is important to have an emotional perspective on the events of history, but I think it is very important for us to separate our own emotions from an attempt to understand what might have really happened. Your first statement is an emotional one (which you represent as fact) and is obviously untrue. Military leaders were doing their duty as they saw it - I suspect none of them got direct pleasure from killing people. Some were callous bastards, some were not. Some cared more for their men than others. They were no different from the military and political leaders throughout history that have put their own idealogies or sense of duty above the value of the individual. One of the challenges we all have is that we look at history through the eyes of a late 20th century person, where we value the individual more highly than ever before. As you have seen from my earlier post, many veterans would disagree with your statement "Almost all military leaders of the Great War was men eating bastards." Who is right? You, or the people that were there? Here's a quote from Reginald Haine (VC) "We all admired him (Haig) tremendously you know. We thought he was a wonderful man..... I know the sacrifice of the British Army was terrific but if it hadn't done that we should have been slaves of Germany, I'm sure of that." You quoted Metallica's anti-war song, a very typical late 20 century view (and not one that I totally disagree with). But here's a poem written by Jim Aldous, a survivor of the Somme, in 1966 (50th anniversary of the battle): Just 50 years ago. A summer's day, Not screaming as the poets like to say, Because shock numbs, and anyway it's rare; But frightened, naturally, and tense, And, until the end, rather enjoying it. How many were like Reginald and Jim? Were they exceptions? I guess we'll never know. But reality is rarely as simple as we would like it to be. We can never know the real truth. All we can do encourage objective research to encourage people to learn from the events of the past (which I am sure is what you will do in your book). (Apologies if this is starting to sound like the WWI history list, but it does put modelling into context) Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:10:45 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: DISPOSABLE HEROES was RE: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: Nigel, Michael, let me answer you both. I must say that I appreciate it very much to exchange opinions and read other peoples point of view, especially on this list where people usually are by far more tolerant than on any other list. Off course I understand your point of view and I accept your critics about my statement. You are right with what you said. But when I say that the military leaders was all "men eating bastards", well that a typical opinion of our time - an opinion I'm not alone with but often heard from other people of my age as well. And why? Well, it is simply because we today have very different point of views of the reasons leading to that war and sure nobody would today allow a general to send him to death the way they did in WW1. It is hard for us to understand the enthusiasm of the people of that time on both sides. Today our armies care about their serving men and women but at that time this was not the case. Just think of that movie with Kirk Douglas playing a French soldier... (me old man forgot the title again)... Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > Gaston made the emotive statement: > >No need to feel bad about true facts. Almost all military leaders of the > >Great War was men eating bastards who send sons, husbands, > vathers to death > >by thousands without asking their mothers, wifes and children, no matter > >what site they "fought" for... > > And reacted to Michael's comments thus: > >Because you feel so bad about that statement of mine, well this gives me > the > >impression that emotions are not allowed in your world > > Gaston, I agree that it is important to have an emotional > perspective on the > events of history, but I think it is very important for us to separate our > own emotions from an attempt to understand what might have really > happened. > Your first statement is an emotional one (which you represent as fact) and > is obviously untrue. Military leaders were doing their duty as > they saw it - > I suspect none of them got direct pleasure from killing people. Some were > callous bastards, some were not. Some cared more for their men > than others. > They were no different from the military and political leaders throughout > history that have put their own idealogies or sense of duty above > the value > of the individual. > > One of the challenges we all have is that we look at history through the > eyes of a late 20th century person, where we value the individual more > highly than ever before. As you have seen from my earlier post, many > veterans would disagree with your statement "Almost all military > leaders of > the Great War was men eating bastards." Who is right? You, or the people > that were there? Here's a quote from Reginald Haine (VC) "We all > admired him > (Haig) tremendously you know. We thought he was a wonderful > man..... I know > the sacrifice of the British Army was terrific but if it hadn't > done that we > should have been slaves of Germany, I'm sure of that." > > You quoted Metallica's anti-war song, a very typical late 20 century view > (and not one that I totally disagree with). But here's a poem > written by Jim > Aldous, a survivor of the Somme, in 1966 (50th anniversary of the battle): > > Just 50 years ago. A summer's day, > Not screaming as the poets like to say, > Because shock numbs, and anyway it's rare; > But frightened, naturally, and tense, > And, until the end, rather enjoying it. > > How many were like Reginald and Jim? Were they exceptions? I guess we'll > never know. But reality is rarely as simple as we would like it to be. We > can never know the real truth. All we can do encourage objective > research to > encourage people to learn from the events of the past (which I am sure is > what you will do in your book). > > (Apologies if this is starting to sound like the WWI history list, but it > does put modelling into context) > > Cheers, > > Nigel > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:15:49 -0400 From: "Tom Sollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DISPOSABLE HEROES was RE: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: <200104290115.f3T1Fkn23975@mail.bcpl.net> Gaston: "Paths of Glory" Tom ---------- >From: "Gaston Graf" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: DISPOSABLE HEROES was RE: Passchendale/Haig >Date: Sat, Apr 28, 2001, 5:14 PM > >Nigel, Michael, > >let me answer you both. I must say that I appreciate it very much to >exchange opinions and read other peoples point of view, especially on this >list where people usually are by far more tolerant than on any other list. >Off course I understand your point of view and I accept your critics about >my statement. You are right with what you said. But when I say that the >military leaders was all "men eating bastards", well that a typical opinion >of our time - an opinion I'm not alone with but often heard from other >people of my age as well. And why? Well, it is simply because we today have >very different point of views of the reasons leading to that war and sure >nobody would today allow a general to send him to death the way they did in >WW1. It is hard for us to understand the enthusiasm of the people of that >time on both sides. Today our armies care about their serving men and women >but at that time this was not the case. Just think of that movie with Kirk >Douglas playing a French soldier... (me old man forgot the title again)... > > Gaston Graf >(ggraf@vo.lu) >Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: >http://www.jastaboelcke.de > >> >> >> Gaston made the emotive statement: >> >No need to feel bad about true facts. Almost all military leaders of the >> >Great War was men eating bastards who send sons, husbands, >> vathers to death >> >by thousands without asking their mothers, wifes and children, no matter >> >what site they "fought" for... >> >> And reacted to Michael's comments thus: >> >Because you feel so bad about that statement of mine, well this gives me >> the >> >impression that emotions are not allowed in your world >> >> Gaston, I agree that it is important to have an emotional >> perspective on the >> events of history, but I think it is very important for us to separate our >> own emotions from an attempt to understand what might have really >> happened. >> Your first statement is an emotional one (which you represent as fact) and >> is obviously untrue. Military leaders were doing their duty as >> they saw it - >> I suspect none of them got direct pleasure from killing people. Some were >> callous bastards, some were not. Some cared more for their men >> than others. >> They were no different from the military and political leaders throughout >> history that have put their own idealogies or sense of duty above >> the value >> of the individual. >> >> One of the challenges we all have is that we look at history through the >> eyes of a late 20th century person, where we value the individual more >> highly than ever before. As you have seen from my earlier post, many >> veterans would disagree with your statement "Almost all military >> leaders of >> the Great War was men eating bastards." Who is right? You, or the people >> that were there? Here's a quote from Reginald Haine (VC) "We all >> admired him >> (Haig) tremendously you know. We thought he was a wonderful >> man..... I know >> the sacrifice of the British Army was terrific but if it hadn't >> done that we >> should have been slaves of Germany, I'm sure of that." >> >> You quoted Metallica's anti-war song, a very typical late 20 century view >> (and not one that I totally disagree with). But here's a poem >> written by Jim >> Aldous, a survivor of the Somme, in 1966 (50th anniversary of the battle): >> >> Just 50 years ago. A summer's day, >> Not screaming as the poets like to say, >> Because shock numbs, and anyway it's rare; >> But frightened, naturally, and tense, >> And, until the end, rather enjoying it. >> >> How many were like Reginald and Jim? Were they exceptions? I guess we'll >> never know. But reality is rarely as simple as we would like it to be. We >> can never know the real truth. All we can do encourage objective >> research to >> encourage people to learn from the events of the past (which I am sure is >> what you will do in your book). >> >> (Apologies if this is starting to sound like the WWI history list, but it >> does put modelling into context) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Nigel >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:40:42 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: crash Message-ID: <000701c0d066$8d4dc660$bf424c0c@tom> Hi Everyone- I've had a computer crash tonight, is anyone receiving this? thanks Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:43:01 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: crash Message-ID: <3AEB9BD4.4FE1D711@earthlink.net> Hi Tom Yep, it's on the list Dame Karen TOM PLESHA wrote: > Hi Everyone- > I've had a computer crash tonight, is anyone receiving this? > thanks > Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 01:03:14 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: crash Message-ID: <000701c0d069$b34a2c20$f1424c0c@tom> Thanks Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Rychlewski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 12:48 AM Subject: Re: crash > Hi Tom > > Yep, it's on the list > > Dame Karen > > > TOM PLESHA wrote: > > > Hi Everyone- > > I've had a computer crash tonight, is anyone receiving this? > > thanks > > Tom > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:27:44 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Cat booby trap Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748FB0@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ray, > I have a Siameze you can have to, answers to the name of lil fokker. (snip) > Never seems to touch PC10/PC12 models though??? Effective camouflage ? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:38:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: First tank attack was RE: Passchendaele Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748FB1@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil asks: > I have two questions, why was a wound that > got you sent home called a blighty, Blighty - ORIGIN first used by soldiers in the Indian army; Anglo-Indian alteration of Urdu bilayati "foreign, European" (Sources - "The Hindu" , Indias national newspaper on the internet, Oxford dictionary, Macquarie dictionary off my shelves) Remember that a big chunk of the British Army in WW1 was drawn from the Indian Army - and many officers and men in the original professional army had served there, so the expression brought back from India followed them into France Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:01:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Rigging Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748FB2@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt says (about ceramic fibre) > D, I have seen this material and it's far too thick for our > proper scale. I used both invisible thread and ceramic fibre in rigging my Biff (and most all of my models for about 5-6 years now) It takes an extremely close inspection to tell which is which - including on the 1/72 Halberstadt on Alans website. Check it out and then tell me it's too thick Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:24:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748FB4@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> David says: > Add machine guns to the equation and you have mass slaughter until > they could devise tactics to deal with it (Tanks). Strictly speaking, the answer to MG's was known before WW1 - in the form of fire and movement. Unfortunately, the means of providing the moving party with sufficient firepower was unavailable until MG's got light enough to be carried in sufficient strength to suppress the defence during the movement phase. What tanks provided was a trench mobile means to move the MG's for the PBI. However, even in their absence both sides managed to make major line breaks in the last part of the war using man portable lightweight MG's in strength. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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