WWI Digest 3321 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Attn: Merrill re: "The Disease" :) by Andreikor@aol.com 2) Softening Resin by Andreikor@aol.com 3) Re: Attn: Merrill re: "The Disease" :) by MAnde72343@aol.com 4) C&C! V.32 #1 by "Steven M.Perry" 5) RE: Passchendale/Haig by "Gaston Graf" 6) Re: Softening Resin by "Lance Krieg" 7) Re: Passchendale/Haig by David Fleming 8) Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... by "Tom Solinski" 9) Re: Rigging Methods by "Tom Solinski" 10) Re: Rigging Methods by "Tom Solinski" 11) But I'm alright physically for the most part... by "Brian Nicklas" 12) Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 13) soldier referendum and French sentiment.Re: RE: Passchendale/Haig by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 14) RE: Passchendale/Haig by "Michael Kendix" 15) Obsolete tactics and Buller (Was: Passchendale/Haig) by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 16) Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... by MAnde72343@aol.com 17) Re: Passchendale/Haig by MAnde72343@aol.com 18) Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... by "aa8." 19) Re: Figures by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 20) Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 21) Re: Passchendale/Haig by "Limon3" 22) Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... by "Diego Fernetti" 23) Re: Ceramic Rigging Material by "Diego Fernetti" 24) Gotha G.IV from Hi-Tech by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 25) just a theory: sunken louvers by "Diego Fernetti" 26) DISPOSABLE HEROES was RE: Passchendale/Haig by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:42:25 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Attn: Merrill re: "The Disease" :) Message-ID: Oh, you're so right, Merrill... (sobbing) I had promised myself I would only collect OT subjects to justify the gluttony... (including the tanks, the figures, the books). Then I said to myself... "well, ONE Bf109 won't hurt..." now, six Bf109's, six FW190's and a few (gasp) Zero's, Vals and Kates later.... Oh, it never ends!!!! But I still insist it's healthier than Heroin. :) Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:45:29 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Softening Resin Message-ID: Merrill wrote: I just may try that, Merrill, if I can get up the guts! It's the word 'often' that troubles me... the finish is still good! :) Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:49:49 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Attn: Merrill re: "The Disease" :) Message-ID: <64.d7489f7.281b356d@aol.com> --part1_64.d7489f7.281b356d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Healthier, maybe, but not less expensive, and quite a bit dustier (as I survey an 8 foot stack of kits, one of many) Merrill --part1_64.d7489f7.281b356d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Healthier, maybe, but not less expensive, and quite a bit dustier (as I
survey an 8 foot stack of kits, one of many)
Merrill --part1_64.d7489f7.281b356d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:02:51 -0400 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: C&C! V.32 #1 Message-ID: <002101c0cf5d$6c9535c0$9df3aec7@default> I have an extra copy of the latest Cross & Cockade International. This has the Alex Revell article where he publishes WM Fry's account of his experiences with Bishop and his CO. Fry recalls seeing powder burns around the bullet holes in Bishop's tailplane. He also questions the angle of entry on some bullets that went through the top wing & fuselage. Revell was not to publish this until after Fry's death. This is the first time this account has been published. Hot stuff. Before I'm abused with hockey sticks by the Canadians, I haven't read enough about Bishop to really know the controversy much less have an opinion on it. Anyway this issue will go to the List Library, but the first snail address gets a squizzy on the way. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:18:45 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: No need to feel bad about true facts. Almost all military leaders of the Great War was men eating bastards who send sons, husbands, vathers to death by thousands without asking their mothers, wifes and children, no matter what site they "fought" for... In fact they erased a complete generation of those who was in their early twenties as they died. Just imagine how the world would be today if no WW1 would have happened... Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > >An earlier post from me may have seemed harsh about Sir Douglas > Haig, >but > >I was merely repeating the often repeated judgment of him. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:24:48 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Softening Resin Message-ID: Merrill correctly points out: "...an ordinary hair drier is enough heat to ... fix drooped or warped wings..." And that to me is one of the problems with resin; so little heat can effect the structural integrity. Not much of a problem when the model sits in the relative comfort of a modern home, but if you move it on a hot or cold day? Or want to take it outside for pictures? Eric at CSM maintains this to be a humidity issue, as he doesn't see this in Phoenix, but I'm not at all convinced... The dink-scalers can better get away with wire/ceramic/sprue, because their slabs of unsupported resin are 33% smaller. IMHO, of course! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:57:22 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: <3AEA0761.762A71C4@dial.pipex.com> When I think of this, I'm reminded of Blackadder and the Battle of Umbogo Gorge. Whilst BA is satirical, what we have to remember is that the generals were fighting a 20th Century war with tactics and strategies developed in the 19th Century against natives armed with spears, or rifleman vs rifleman. Add machine guns to the equation and you have mass slaughter until they could devise tactics to deal with it (Tanks). It's said the Fleet Air Arm/RNAS suffered because the Royal navy was Gunnery obsessed (Nelson didn't need a Fleet Air Arm....), and their greatest vistories were gun battles. I often think the Military plan to fight the last war ! david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:44:43 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... Message-ID: <008801c0cf7c$6ae10500$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> So the engine mount didn't fit correctly > inside the fuselage. I'm going to have to make another engine mount with > the scale adjusted to fit the fuselage. Shhh! Don't tell anybody! > Shheeeshhh Rocket Scientests, buy um books, send'm to schooll and ya still cain't learn'm nuthin Back under the green/yellow rock :-) Tom S OKC If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:46:16 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Rigging Methods Message-ID: <009f01c0cf7c$a1f116c0$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> > Hi Folks, > I was wondering, how do you folks do double wires???? I have been looking > for a method that will work for me. > > Just like doubling your money, Fold it in half, and put it back in your pocket. Sorry Just too easy Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:50:06 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Rigging Methods Message-ID: <00ae01c0cf7d$2b486400$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> > Hi Folks, > I was wondering, how do you folks do double wires???? I have been looking > for a method that will work for me. However on the serious side. X acto makes a small divider or compass that holds two very small blades and is adjustable via verier thread. I use mine to cut out clear discs for propeller discs. It was originally designed to cut parallel lines, So from an earlier thread it will cut rib tapes to any width. and on this thread, use it to measure the width of the strut in queston then marke the identical two points on the fuse. tom S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:08:31 -0400 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Message-ID: Hi gang, I had the misfortune of being the victim of a red-light runner yesterday morning. I had a Bright Blue 1998 V6 Ford Mustang Coupe, but I think it is a write-off. The air bags deployed, and I didn't go too far under the truck, so I'm still here. But very saddened and mad and ... Getting paramedics to pull you out of your car with a neck brace and strapped to a backboard is not fun - nor is spending the day strapped to same board while they determine if you broke anything. So please be careful out there - I always try to leave myself an out when driving, but sometimes the unexpected happens, that's why its unexpected I guess. As soon as I stop shaking I'll try to build a model... Brian Nicklas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:21:44 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Message-ID: <54.139e8d11.281b7528@aol.com> Well, I hope that you'll develop no complications. Otherwise, thank God you're okay. Are you off for the weekend? Be well. ~Steve di Giacomo In a message dated 4/27/1 9:11:13 PM, Brian.Nicklas@nasm.si.edu writes: << Hi gang, I had the misfortune of being the victim of a red-light runner yesterday morning. I had a Bright Blue 1998 V6 Ford Mustang Coupe, but I think it is a write-off. The air bags deployed, and I didn't go too far under the truck, so I'm still here. But very saddened and mad and ... Getting paramedics to pull you out of your car with a neck brace and strapped to a backboard is not fun - nor is spending the day strapped to same board while they determine if you broke anything. So please be careful out there - I always try to leave myself an out when driving, but sometimes the unexpected happens, that's why its unexpected I guess. As soon as I stop shaking I'll try to build a model... Brian Nicklas >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:31:50 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: soldier referendum and French sentiment.Re: RE: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: <11.135edeba.281b7786@aol.com> One of the French thinkers who survived the war said that they were "a sacrificed generation." He meant that in a positive sense, not in the sense that they were cheated. He meant that they wanted to die for France. They wanted the day of revenge for 1870-71. ("The Generation of 1914".) Everybody jumped into uniform at first. It would be nice if the SOP for every beligerent was to put continuation of military operations to the soldiers for a referendum. I wonder what would happen if WWI indeed didn't happen. It's impossible for me to go far with that. I'm sure we've would have come up with SOMETHING to fight about; it just wouldn't be right. ~Steve di Giacomo In a message dated 4/27/1 5:21:10 PM, ggraf@vo.lu writes: << No need to feel bad about true facts. Almost all military leaders of the Great War was men eating bastards who send sons, husbands, vathers to death by thousands without asking their mothers, wifes and children, no matter what site they "fought" for... In fact they erased a complete generation of those who was in their early twenties as they died. Just imagine how the world would be today if no WW1 would have happened... Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:33:19 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: Gaston: >From a previous post, I understood, perhaps I was wrong, that you are considering writing a book on a particular WW1 topic - possibly Boelke, I am just guessing. My point is rhetorical, namely, do you intend to use the same sort of broad brush approach to expound on your own area of expertise as you do on World War One generals? While I agree that what happened was terrible, I think the episode was complex and saying "Almost all military leaders of the Great War was men eating bastards [sic]" just does not give a good enough explanation of the course of events. Michael >From: "Gaston Graf" > >No need to feel bad about true facts. Almost all military leaders of the >Great War was men eating bastards who send sons, husbands, vathers to > >death by thousands without asking their mothers, wifes and children, no > >matter what site they "fought" for... In fact they erased a complete > >generation of those who was in their early twenties as they died. >Just imagine how the world would be today if no WW1 would have >happened... > > Gaston Graf >(ggraf@vo.lu) >Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: >http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > > > >An earlier post from me may have seemed harsh about Sir Douglas > > Haig, >but > > >I was merely repeating the often repeated judgment of him. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:39:03 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Obsolete tactics and Buller (Was: Passchendale/Haig) Message-ID: The magazine rifle itself was enough to stop attacks. The Boers proved this. General Buller learned the art of the creeping barrage the hard way at Colenso,SA. Roberts didn't. But Roberts beat out Buller for Horse Guards. I think that had Buller gotten into Horse Guards it would have been an even more effective BEF in 1914. Thoughts? ~Steve di Giacomo P.S. No heck, I don't know. I've only read Packenham's "The Boer War". But Packenham supported his assertions very well. In a message dated 4/27/1 8:08:33 PM, dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com writes: << When I think of this, I'm reminded of Blackadder and the Battle of Umbogo Gorge. Whilst BA is satirical, what we have to remember is that the generals were fighting a 20th Century war with tactics and strategies developed in the 19th Century against natives armed with spears, or rifleman vs rifleman. Add machine guns to the equation and you have mass slaughter until they could devise tactics to deal with it (Tanks). It's said the Fleet Air Arm/RNAS suffered because the Royal navy was Gunnery obsessed (Nelson didn't need a Fleet Air Arm....), and their greatest vistories were gun battles. I often think the Military plan to fight the last war ! david >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:14:03 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Message-ID: <5f.1466a4d6.281b8f7b@aol.com> --part1_5f.1466a4d6.281b8f7b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to hear that, I know from personal experience it's a shock. Actually, with the passage of years, it's a funny story... Which is both gruesome and ot, so I won't tell it here, but "been there", take it easy and don't settle with the insurance company until you're sure you know all your injuries, sprained and strained joints and etc., can hurt like hell years later, that's from personal experience. Merrill --part1_5f.1466a4d6.281b8f7b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to hear that, I know from personal experience it's a shock. Actually,
with the passage of years, it's a funny story... Which is both gruesome and
ot, so I won't tell it here, but "been there", take it easy and don't settle
with the insurance company until you're sure you know all your injuries,
sprained and strained joints and etc., can hurt like hell years later, that's
from personal experience.
Merrill --part1_5f.1466a4d6.281b8f7b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:30:20 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: --part1_b8.14d0c830.281b934c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I often think the Military plan to fight the last war." Actually that was true of most militaries until the later part of the 20th century, with this change: they plan to fight the last war, with the weapons they have on hand at the (current) time. This didn't happen until after the Great War, the weapons changes, at least, struck home. It wasn't until after Vietnam, that the US Army began to think of "the next War" as a true "separate reality" from what had come before. I was an Army officer at the time, and saw the changes, however, do not confuse strategic planning from basic tactics, whose fundamental nature, however much things have changed materially, are the same basics as known to Sun Tzu and Alexander. Merrill --part1_b8.14d0c830.281b934c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I often think the Military plan to fight the last war."  Actually that was
true of most militaries until the later part of the 20th century, with this
change: they plan to fight the last war, with the weapons they have on hand
at the (current) time. This didn't happen until after the Great War, the
weapons changes, at least, struck home. It wasn't until after Vietnam, that
the US Army began to think of "the next War" as a true "separate reality"
from what had come before. I was an Army officer at the time, and saw the
changes, however, do not confuse strategic planning from basic tactics, whose
fundamental nature, however much things have changed materially, are the same
basics as known to Sun Tzu and Alexander.
Merrill --part1_b8.14d0c830.281b934c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:33:20 +0200 From: "aa8." To: Subject: Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Message-ID: <002401c0cf83$51f12f00$7f033c3e@tinypc> Brian give yourself a few days break from work etc. Last February I was part of an incident that closed the M1 here. My Peugeot 406 was seriously remodelled and shortened. At the time of the accident I was almost 'High'--shock and adrenalin mixed (a medical professional probably has a word for it) didn't want any help etc, etc. Just wanted to get home have a cup of tea with my wife. Forty Eight hours later it hit. I felt as though I'd done ten rounds with Tyson and then played three Rugby matches. Everything hurt, really hurt. So just take a bit of time to recover. It will help you get over it. Glad you weren't seriously hurt. Don't worry about the car, you can get another one of those and they all go for scrap metal in the end anyway. regards Andy Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Nicklas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 3:13 AM Subject: But I'm alright physically for the most part... > Hi gang, > I had the misfortune of being the victim of a red-light runner yesterday > morning. > I had a Bright Blue 1998 V6 Ford Mustang Coupe, but I think it is a > write-off. > The air bags deployed, and I didn't go too far under the truck, so I'm > still > here. But very saddened and mad and ... > Getting paramedics to pull you out of your car with a neck brace and > strapped > to a backboard is not fun - nor is spending the day strapped to same board > while they determine if you broke anything. > So please be careful out there - I always try to leave myself an out when > driving, > but sometimes the unexpected happens, that's why its unexpected I guess. > As soon as I stop shaking I'll try to build a model... > Brian Nicklas > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:03:32 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Figures Message-ID: In a message dated 4/27/2001 2:29:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tsollers@bcpl.net writes: << http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Sollers/index.html >> Gee's Tom your figures are outstanding, beautiful work. I for one cannot wait to see what you do next. BTW I love the heads, great for modifying other figures. When will they be available? Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:25:33 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Message-ID: <41.aadc971.281ba03d@aol.com> In a message dated 4/27/2001 9:11:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian.Nicklas@nasm.si.edu writes: << But I'm alright physically for the most part... >> Brian, sorry to hear about your accident but very happy to see that your well enough to write us to say your OK. I know it's not fun being in a neck brace or on a spine board for hours until they are sure you were OK, but then everyone was just doing their job to protect you from any further serious damage. Be sure to send those guys a thank you card, they really like to hear from people afterwards if they did a good job and it lets them know how you are. Believe it or not once we get people to the hospital we rarely ever find out how well they make out. A shame about your car, but don't worry Detroit's building a new one right now just for you, this time in Fokker red, or maybe Voss cowl Yellow or wait was that 4 or 5 color lozenge? Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:36:25 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: <002301c0cfad$93b3cd60$283b1c3f@i7e2z6> Unfortunately, so many of those young men, especially in the early year of the war marched out happily deluded by so many of those same leaders that the war would be quick and glorious (Nach Paris, on to Berlin, etc.). The sad facts of modern meat grinding mechanized warfare had yet to be visited on our Euro cousins, as it had during the waning years of the U.S. Civil War. As fascinated as I am by this time in history, I couldn't imagine anyone witnessing the carnage on all sides without revulsion. Just my dos centavitos............. Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Gaston Graf To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 2:23 PM Subject: RE: Passchendale/Haig > No need to feel bad about true facts. Almost all military leaders of the > Great War was men eating bastards who send sons, husbands, vathers to death > by thousands without asking their mothers, wifes and children, no matter > what site they "fought" for... In fact they erased a complete generation of > those who was in their early twenties as they died. > Just imagine how the world would be today if no WW1 would have happened... > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > > > >An earlier post from me may have seemed harsh about Sir Douglas > > Haig, >but > > >I was merely repeating the often repeated judgment of him. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:14:14 -0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: But I'm alright physically for the most part... Message-ID: Brian!! >I had the misfortune of being the victim of a red-light runner yesterday >morning. I'm very glad that you're still here with us! And nurse yourself for a few days, even if you feel OK. I work for the Health dept. of my city govt. and our offices are next door to the city Emergency Paramedics System. I've heard some hair raising stories at the corner bar! >I had a Bright Blue 1998 V6 Ford Mustang Coupe, but I think it is a >write-off. No worries, take it to the Garber Facility. I heard that they do marvels there... I'll drink a beer tonight at your health. And another one (and counting...) for Ernie. Gee, how many close calls in this list lately! D. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:18:31 -0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ceramic Rigging Material Message-ID: Thanks Andrei! I'll contact them for sure. Yes, I use something of about .006 to rig (I don't know for sure, I'm metric, ya know. I usually use non functional rigging, using a mix of stretched sprue and invisible thread. D. >From: Andreikor@aol.com >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Ceramic Rigging Material >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:24:45 -0400 (EDT) > >D. .... >Precision doesn't have a website that I know of, but if you want to try the >material, I'll get you some. It comes 10 ft. to a package @ $5.00 per pack >(last time I bought it). It is snapped with an xacto (rather than cut), >attaches with white glue and stays perfectly rigid at virtually any length. > >To contact Precision Enterprises Unlimited directly: >P.O. Box 97F >Springfield, Vermont >05156 >U.S.A. >phone: 802-885-3094 after 5:00 p.m. EST weekdays or 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. >Saturdays > >You will speak to either Bruce or Marita Johnson (an extraordinary >modeler!) >who are personal friends... please mention my name. I unashamedly endorse >their service! >They also stock many other modelers' needs, including hard-to-find kits, >and >are OT afficianados also. > >Matt... >I hate to be argumentative, but I honestly don't see how you can say this >material is too heavy for our purposes. At only 6 thousandths, it is >suitably >thin for even 1/72 scale models, and virtually 'invisible' on a completed >model... painted monofilament is actually thicker. Frankly, the one comment >I >always hear at shows is "what on earth did you rig that with?" I still >insist >it is unbeatable for rigging. > >Michael.... >See above. This material has a metallic finish that also 'sparkles' a bit, >does add some strength, and doesn't require any drilling! > >Cheers, >Andrei > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:41:13 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Gotha G.IV from Hi-Tech Message-ID: <200104281241.OAA27704@mail-relay.eunet.no> Hei, Hannants list of kits to be released lists an 1/48 Gotha G.IV from Hi-Tech No further information given Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:44:17 -0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: just a theory: sunken louvers Message-ID: Hi: After seeing "Red Planet" -one I warmly reccomend specially for the scenes of Carrie-Ann Moss, if you liked Ursula at the Blue Max you surely will like this flick- (I'm skilled turning ot comments into OT, see?) I was so happy that I turned into the modelling philosopher people has learned to love. Sunken louvers. Spads. Spads have lots of sunken louvers. In 1/72, the chin of model spads always have the usual way of representing louvers, that is, the raised type. That's OK for some examples, but it was more typical that the Spads would have the opposite form, as the cooling louvers in the cowl were pressed from the outside to form small depressions on the surface of the metal. How to do this in a model without a miniature louver punch and a microscope? I have tought on two methods: #1- Cut square holes on the cowl where the row of louvers are supposed to go. Be as precise and possible. Score lines on styrene sheet at the louver distance and sand it to tidy up the edges of the scoring. Cut the styrene into strips of the same width of the cowl squarish holes. Glue strips flush in the cowl and clean the joints. Pros: fast, relatively easy. Cons: the depressions aren't as sharp as they ought to be, difficult cleaning up. #2. Basically the same procedure at first. However, this time get a styrene strip of a width of the louver+the space between them (in 1/72 this can be about 1.5 or 2 mm)and bevel on one side only, just the "depressed" louver width. Cut the bevelled strip in small segments equal of the width of the holes of the cowl and apply these little "bricks" one by one until you cover all the hole in the cowl. Pros: the louver edges will be sharper. Cons: you may become crazy before finishing. Modelling has its risks, isn't it? D. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:38:40 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: DISPOSABLE HEROES was RE: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: Micheal, the book that I intend to write goes about the first battles of WW1 that happened on the Western Front, today referred to as "The Battle of the Frontiers". I do not intend to write about Boelcke because I do not have enough material about his person and the Germans of the Boelcke Historical Society are to "strange" poeple to be willing to cooperate with me. But that's a different story. They even refuse to give me any info about Boelckes aircraft because they fear that I will use that info on my website. I was to be told that nothing will be left for their planned website anymore if I will receive to much info. Yes envy is a scourge of mankind! But they plan their website now since years and nothing came out of it yet. I offered them to cooperate and make an English version of their website for them if they are willing to share information but rather than accepting and cooperate one of their members blamed me for listening to much to Allied propaganda lies as he read on my website about the atrocities the Germans committed on the Belgian civil population. Altough there was wrong information intentionally spread by both sides, the graves cannot lie, nor do the lists of the victims. Only a few days ago I received material published in 1927 by the "librairie d'art et de l'histoire" which is marked as "work crowned by the French academy". a book which contains all the information about the atrocities committed by the Germans on their way to the Marne. I did not finish reading it but I can assure you that they killed many more civilians than I imagined. And heck NO by no means I will write any statement such as the one you mentionned! I will comment events from a neutral point of view and leave my emotions out of it like it should be done, otherwise it will never become a good book and I'll better keep my hands of that work. I am researching the events from every possible point of view - The Belgian civil population, the French army units and off course the German invaders. It is hard to read what really happened, but today it's history and about history I want to write. I sure feel no hatred against the Germans because those who committed the deeds are dead since a long time. Despite of the reading being shocking there is no problem to keep emotions out of the story. Because you feel so bad about that statement of mine, well this gives me the impression that emotions are not allowed in your world - one may feel bad about something, but one should not blame the responisbles for it - that's to bad IMHO. I'm sorry for having a to emotional hotblooded character but thís does not mean that I am unable to comment an event from a neutral point of view - I just wonder how you can associate my opinion about the generals to my planned work. I beg you to give it a chance and send me your comments after reading some samples of that book. I am always open for critics and always willing to learn. Who knows when it will be ready for print? It will take years until I will have researched this all, despite of the sources being all in short range. But I will post the text at my website where you can read it before it will be printed to give people a chance to send me their comments or critics. Actually the first chapters are available, but when reading it please don't forget that this is just a first composition which may change as more detailed information will become available. Generally spoken I was a rebel since I was a boy and I am proud of it! I always used to speak out what I think and stand for my words, no matter what the consequences was. When I think of somebody being a bastard (to use a more civilized word than the words I would really shout in such a persons face) I say it. And that's why I admire those French soldiers who started rebelling as they realized how senseless the slaughtering was. with my kindest regards Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de PS: Here's the text of one of the best anti-war songs that I know - like "ONE" this was written by James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich and Kirk Hammet (Metallica) and can be found of their ablum "Master of Puppets" from 1986: ------------------------------------------------------------- DISPOSABLE HEROES (8:14) BODIES FILL THE FIELDS I SEE, HUNGRY HEROES END NO ONE TO PLAY SOLDIER NOW, NO ONE TO PRETEND RUNNING BLIND THROUGH KILLING FIELDS, BRED TO KILL THEM ALL VICTIM OF WHAT SAID SHOULD BE A SERVANT TIL I FALL SOLDIER BOY MADE OF CLAY NOW A EMPTY SHELL TWENTY 0NE ONLY SON BUT HE SERVED US WELL BRED TO KILL, NOT TO CARE DO JUST AS WE SAY FINISHED HERE, GREETINGS DEATH HE'S YOURS TO TAKE AWAY BACK TO THE FRONT YOU WILL D0 WHAT I SAY, WHEN I SAY BACK TO THE FRONT YOU WILL DIE WHEN I SAY, YOU MUST DIE BACK TO THE FRONT You COWARD You SERVANT YOU BLINDMAN BARKING OF MACHINEGUIN FIRE, DOES NOTHING TO ME NOW S0UNDING OF THE CLOCK THAT TICKS, GET USED TO IT SOMEHOW MORE A MAN, MORE STRIPES YOU BARE, GLORY SEEKER TRENDS BODIES FILL THE FIELDS I SEE, THE SLAUGHTER NEVER ENDS SOLDIER BOY, MADE OF CLAY NOW AN EMPTY SHELL TWENTY ONE, ONLY SON BUT HE SERVED US WELL BRED TO KILL, NOT TO CARE DO JUST AS WE SAY FINISHED HERE. GREETINGS DEATH HE'S YOURS TO TAKE AWAY BACK TO THE FRONT YOU WILL DO WHAT I SAY, WHEN I SAY BACK TO THE FRONT YOU WILL DIE WHEN I SAY. YOU MUST DIE BACK TO THE FRONT YOU COWARD YOU SERVANT YOU BLINDMAN WHY, AM I DYING' KILL, HAVE NO FEAR LIE, LIVE OFF LYING HELL, HELL IS HERE I WAS BORN FOR DYING LIFE PLANNED OUT BEFORE MY BIRTH, NOTHING COULD I SAY HAD NO CHANCE TO SEE MYSELF, MOULDED DAY BY DAY LOOKING BACK 1 REALIZE, NOTHING HAVE I DONE LEFT TO DIE WITH ONLY FRIEND ALONE I CLENCH MY GUN SOLDIER BOY, MADE OF CLAY NOW AN EMPTY SHELL TWENTY ONE, ONLY-SON BUT HE SERVED US WELL BRED TO KILL, NOT TO CARE DO JUST AS WE SAY FINISHED HERE, GREETINGS DEATH HE'S YOURS TO TAKE AWAY BACK TO THE FRONT YOU WILL D0 WHAT I SAY, WHEN I SAY BACK TO THE FRONT YOU WILL DIE WHEN I SAY, YOU MUST DIE BACK TO THE FRONT YOU COWARD YOU SERVANT YOU BLINOMAN BACK TO THE FRONT ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gaston: > > >From a previous post, I understood, perhaps I was wrong, that you are > considering writing a book on a particular WW1 topic - possibly > Boelke, I am > just guessing. My point is rhetorical, namely, do you intend to use the > same sort of broad brush approach to expound on your own area of > expertise > as you do on World War One generals? While I agree that what > happened was > terrible, I think the episode was complex and saying "Almost all military > leaders of the Great War was men eating bastards [sic]" just does > not give a > good enough explanation of the course of events. > > Michael > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3321 **********************