WWI Digest 3320 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Welcome to the disease :) by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 2) RE: Rigging by "dfernet0" 3) Re: Biggest Modelling Mistake? by MAnde72343@aol.com 4) Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... by "Jim Landon" 5) I got it !!!!!! by "Bob Pearson" 6) Figures by "tsollers" 7) Re: Resin Kit Worries by MAnde72343@aol.com 8) OFF LIST:WAS: New SPAD from Rosemont by "Michael Kendix" 9) OFF LIST:WAS: New SPAD from Rosemont by "Michael Kendix" 10) Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... by MAnde72343@aol.com 11) Re: Figures by MAnde72343@aol.com 12) Re: Rigging by KarrArt@aol.com 13) RE: Figures by "dfernet0" 14) RE: Cat Booby Trap by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 15) The disease spreads by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 16) Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... by "Jim Landon" 17) Re: Figures by "tsollers" 18) Re: Rigging by "Jim Landon" 19) Ceramic Rigging Material by Andreikor@aol.com 20) Things to remember while WWI modelling by "Nigel Rayner" 21) Re: The disease spreads by Matt Bittner 22) Re: First tank attack was RE: Passchendaele by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 23) Passchendale/Haig by MAnde72343@aol.com 24) RE: The disease spreads by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 25) Re: Passchendale/Haig by "Michael Kendix" 26) Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... by KarrArt@aol.com 27) Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... by MAnde72343@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:01:58 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: Welcome to the disease :) Message-ID: <000901c0cf44$2801b460$351ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > Marcio wrote: > models one can > assemble in a lifetime, I'd like to say that in a few weeks > the postman will > bring me two boxes full of models (all 1/72, Matt, but all > German) and two > books, starting my Windsock Datafiles collection.> > > Too late to turn back now, Marcio... > Welcome to the disease! :) > Cheers, > Andrei Thanks, Andrei! (soundtrack for these days: "Please Mr. Postman" – The Beatles' version) Best regards from Brazil Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:10:15 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Rigging Message-ID: <003b01c0cf45$4fd31320$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Rats! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner > D, I have seen this material and it's far too thick for our > proper scale. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:09:25 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Biggest Modelling Mistake? Message-ID: <105.27be95a.281b0fd5@aol.com> --part1_105.27be95a.281b0fd5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrei, when you were welcoming Marcio to "the disease", you forgot to warn him about how it spreads into other areas. I first caught the bug for armor, then armor and figures, and around 94, in a desire to 'cure' a case of AMS, I returned to an old enthusiasm, W.W.I. aircraft, this has become worse than the 'original' problem! And although the original curse has lessened some, every time they release a good kit on a subject I "always wanted", the desire to purchase returns, and is still hard to resist! I may be an extreme case, but 90% or better of my storage space is unbuilt kits, military vehicles, figure sets, and now W.W.I. airplanes (in four scales). It would take several years of full time modeling just to clear my OT planes, and probably the rest of this new century to finish the rest. So, Marcio, beware, the thing spreads, just German !/72's, huh? wait a while. Merrill --part1_105.27be95a.281b0fd5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrei, when you were welcoming Marcio to "the disease", you forgot to warn
him about how it spreads into other areas. I first caught the bug for armor,
then armor and figures, and around 94, in a desire to 'cure' a case of AMS, I
returned to an old enthusiasm, W.W.I. aircraft, this has become worse than
the 'original' problem! And although the original curse has lessened some,
every time they release a good kit on a subject I "always wanted", the desire
to purchase returns, and is still hard to resist! I may be an extreme case,
but 90% or better of my storage space is unbuilt kits, military vehicles,
figure sets, and now W.W.I. airplanes (in four scales). It would take several
years of  full time modeling just to clear my OT planes, and probably the
rest of this new century to finish the rest. So, Marcio, beware, the thing
spreads, just German !/72's, huh? wait a while.
Merrill --part1_105.27be95a.281b0fd5_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:11:33 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... Message-ID: My most recent mistake I made just a few evenings ago was to scan an actual scale drawing of a Salmson 2A2 engine mount, with dimensions in mm, convert the mm to inches and divide by 16 and resize the image to get an exact template for my model. I was so proud of myself because the part would be an exact 1:16 scale model of the real thing. And it is. However the fuselage was made a year ago from the Anderson drawings in the book "Scale Aircraft Drawings, Vol I, WWI". So the engine mount didn't fit correctly inside the fuselage. I'm going to have to make another engine mount with the scale adjusted to fit the fuselage. Shhh! Don't tell anybody! I have made so many other mistakes it's not funny. But since I'm only on my second WWI model maybe you guys can cut me some slack. I always tell people I'm going to write a book: "How Not To Build A Model Airplane". Jim _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:12:06 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: I got it !!!!!! Message-ID: <200104271003.f3RA3hK59774@mail.rapidnet.net> My copy of the British markings book just arrived .. and it looks great. Granted I'm biased here .... Only thing I would change is the PC10 is a tad greener than I would have liked. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:14:30 -0400 From: "tsollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Figures Message-ID: <200104271814.f3RIEWn01104@mail.bcpl.net> David: I haven't completed a likeness of those you mentioned, but I do have some aces in the gallery. http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Sollers/index.html Tom ---------- >From: "David Calhoun" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Let me intoduce myself... >Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 5:52 PM > > Hi Tom, > How about 1/48 scale figures of Frank Luke, Eddie Rickenbacker, Raoul > Lufbery, Charles Nungesser, (and maybe some German & British heroes as well) > based on well known photos that will make the standing figure placed next to > his finished model easliy recognizable! I'm tired of generic figures, and > can't sculpt my own in 1/48 scale, but would love to see these come out in > resin. > Dave Calhoun > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tsollers" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:11 AM > Subject: Let me intoduce myself... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:15:37 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Resin Kit Worries Message-ID: <71.cf02fec.281b1149@aol.com> --part1_71.cf02fec.281b1149_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrei, an ordinary hair drier is enough heat to soften resin parts, (needed to straighten out many kits) but it can be used to fix drooped or warped wings on built kits, often without damaging the finish. FWIW Merrill --part1_71.cf02fec.281b1149_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrei, an ordinary hair drier is enough heat to soften resin parts, (needed
to straighten out many kits) but it can be used to fix drooped or warped
wings on built kits, often without damaging the finish. FWIW
Merrill --part1_71.cf02fec.281b1149_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:18:06 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: OFF LIST:WAS: New SPAD from Rosemont Message-ID: >This was where I started when I discovered that my g.grandfather was > >killed in WW1, I fould a little info, but that conflicted with what > >family lore said. My next stop will be the A&SH Museum, which is 15 > >miles from me !!! One day I'd like to visit the Royal Scots' museum, and find if my Dad's name's in there from WW2. Don't ask me how someone from London's East End came to be in the Royal Scots. Maybe they needed someone who wanted to learn signalling and radio communications skills. >Harumph ! Where were England in 74 & 78 ?. And we let the Aussies win >last >year. 1974 - couldn't beat the Welsh or the Poles at Wembley and Ramsey appeared to have run out of ideas. He'd certainly run out of luck. Scotland couldn't beat Zaire by more than 2-0 while the Yugoslavs stuffed soemthing like 9 goals by them. The Zairians were so upset, they had to be coaxed back to the tournament so they could lose to Brazil 3-0. Watching Bremner miss from 2 yards versus Brazil was memorable. 1978 - England, drawn in the same group as Italy, suffered under the "tutelage" of Don Reviled (Revie) and Don Howe, whose favoured tactical training was to run up and down the pitch in 4-3-3 formation. I can't imagine a more insulting exercise required of an international level player. Scotland wished they hadn't reached the finals when they lost to Peru and could only draw with Iran. The Scottish tactics and player selection from Ally wotsisname left something to be desired, to say the least. Still you have to hand it to Scotland, they're always entertaining, especially their goalkeepers - hardly a decent one since Bobby Simpson in the mid-1960s, well maybe David Harvey. 1994 - Graham Taylor - nuff said. I had tickets for the finals and instead of watching England, I was condemned to watch Norway, who qualified in their stead. I must have done something terrible in my life. Norway to football is the same as those multi-storey blocks of council flats is to architecture. How come Scotland never went beyond the first phase? Sheer talent for missing opportunity. No reason why both those 74 & 78 teams shouldn't have progressed far into the tournament. Perhaps if they increased the number of teams in the finals to 128? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:19:04 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: OFF LIST:WAS: New SPAD from Rosemont Message-ID: Sorry folks! I forgot to change the address. The message prior was not meant for the list, only Mr. Fleming. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:27:51 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... Message-ID: --part1_fb.1303a4dd.281b1427_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By all means write it Jim, just remember to keep the humor! Merrill --part1_fb.1303a4dd.281b1427_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By all means write it Jim, just remember to keep the humor!
Merrill --part1_fb.1303a4dd.281b1427_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:31:21 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Figures Message-ID: <73.d3a9476.281b14f9@aol.com> --part1_73.d3a9476.281b14f9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, I finally checked out your figures on the site. SUPERB! Are there any plans to put these into production, or did I miss/forget that message? Merrill --part1_73.d3a9476.281b14f9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, I finally checked out your figures on the site. SUPERB!  Are there any
plans to put these into production, or did I miss/forget that message?
Merrill --part1_73.d3a9476.281b14f9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:37:39 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rigging Message-ID: In a message dated 4/27/01 10:57:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << although Robert Karr, Sandy Adam and Lance Krieg model in 1/48th scale. It seems to me that in 1/72nd scale, the smaller and lighter kits require less structural strengthening. >> Coming out of "being too busy lately so I'm lurking" mode to say that for a 1/48 single seat fighter, structural rigging isn't all that necessary-but it helps.....I actually enjoy the process. About the only real benefit in a scale this small is that it allows a bit of alignment tweaking and truing-up. For 1/32 and beyond, it is a wonderment! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:43:22 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Figures Message-ID: <008301c0cf49$efe68c80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Tom! I was just visiting the gallery. Astounding work! Count me in as a customer whenever you can produce them! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: tsollers To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Figures > David: > > I haven't completed a likeness of those you mentioned, but I do have some > aces in the gallery. > > http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Sollers/index.html > > Tom > > ---------- > >From: "David Calhoun" > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: Re: Let me intoduce myself... > >Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 5:52 PM > > > > > Hi Tom, > > How about 1/48 scale figures of Frank Luke, Eddie Rickenbacker, Raoul > > Lufbery, Charles Nungesser, (and maybe some German & British heroes as well) > > based on well known photos that will make the standing figure placed next to > > his finished model easliy recognizable! I'm tired of generic figures, and > > can't sculpt my own in 1/48 scale, but would love to see these come out in > > resin. > > Dave Calhoun > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "tsollers" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:11 AM > > Subject: Let me intoduce myself... > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:43:45 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: Cat Booby Trap Message-ID: <000f01c0cf49$ff306da0$351ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > The current pain in the modeling is Folgore, a medium-haired > tabby with no discernable brain. His obsession is with my > Napoleonics figures - he is refighting the battle of Waterloo > and the French are winning. Hello, Mark! I have no cats, but can imagine "The World History According to Folgore" Best regards Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:56:46 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: The disease spreads Message-ID: <000601c0cf4b$d1692680$351ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > Andrei, when you were welcoming Marcio to "the disease", you > forgot to warn > him about how it spreads into other areas. I first caught the > bug for armor, > then armor and figures, and around 94, in a desire to 'cure' > a case of AMS, I > returned to an old enthusiasm, W.W.I. aircraft, this has > become worse than > the 'original' problem! And although the original curse has > lessened some, > every time they release a good kit on a subject I "always > wanted", the desire > to purchase returns, and is still hard to resist! I may be an > extreme case, > but 90% or better of my storage space is unbuilt kits, > military vehicles, > figure sets, and now W.W.I. airplanes (in four scales). It > would take several > years of full time modeling just to clear my OT planes, and > probably the > rest of this new century to finish the rest. So, Marcio, > beware, the thing > spreads, just German !/72's, huh? wait a while. Merrill, Well, I never told you, but I also assemble all-time Russian/Soviet airplanes, either 1/72 or 1/144 (there are at least 4 MiGs waiting for me by now, as well as two Sukhoi aircrafts). But I've already caught myself flirting with a Saab 39 Grippen just because I found it beautiful, so I believe in what you say. Besides, I decided to assemble a P-47, but with markings of the Brazilian 1st Fighter Sqadron (Italy 1944-1945)... Best regards from Brazil Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:03:05 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... Message-ID: Merrill said: <> Well, I DEFINITELY have enough material! But I'm afraid it wouldn't sell too well. Jim >From: MAnde72343@aol.com >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:42:31 -0400 (EDT) > >--part1_fb.1303a4dd.281b1427_boundary >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >By all means write it Jim, just remember to keep the humor! >Merrill > >--part1_fb.1303a4dd.281b1427_boundary >Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >By all means write it Jim, >just remember to keep the humor! >
Merrill > >--part1_fb.1303a4dd.281b1427_boundary-- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:09:53 -0400 From: "tsollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Figures Message-ID: <200104271909.f3RJ9sn16072@mail.bcpl.net> Thanks, Merrill! I'm working towards bringing at least some of these to market. I'm going to the Valley Forge figure show next weekend with some of the masters and will be talking to resin casters about production. I'll keep you all informed. Tom ---------- >From: MAnde72343@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Figures >Date: Fri, Apr 27, 2001, 2:44 PM > > > --part1_73.d3a9476.281b14f9_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Tom, I finally checked out your figures on the site. SUPERB! Are there any > plans to put these into production, or did I miss/forget that message? > Merrill > > --part1_73.d3a9476.281b14f9_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Tom, I finally checked out > your figures on the site. SUPERB!  Are there any >
plans to put these into production, or did I miss/forget that message? >
Merrill > > --part1_73.d3a9476.281b14f9_boundary-- > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:10:29 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rigging Message-ID: Robert said: <<...for a 1/48 single seat fighter, structural rigging isn't all that necessary-but it helps.....I actually enjoy the process. About the only real benefit in a scale this small is that it allows a bit of alignment tweaking and truing-up. For 1/32 and beyond, it is a wonderment!>> I agree. I learned a lot when I rigged my 1:14 scale Thomas Morse S4C with .015 piano wire, actually mechanically secured at each end (not just glued). It helped me appreciate how the real rigging worked. The model became incredibly strong -- except for poking my finger through the tissue. I plan to rig the Salmson with .015 piano wire, actually mechanically secured at each end. Jim >From: KarrArt@aol.com >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Rigging >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:49:28 -0400 (EDT) > >In a message dated 4/27/01 10:57:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >mkendix@hotmail.com writes: > ><< although Robert Karr, Sandy Adam and Lance > Krieg model in 1/48th scale. It seems to me that in 1/72nd scale, the > smaller and lighter kits require less structural strengthening. >> > >Coming out of "being too busy lately so I'm lurking" mode to say that for a >1/48 single seat fighter, structural rigging isn't all that necessary-but >it >helps.....I actually enjoy the process. About the only real benefit in a >scale this small is that it allows a bit of alignment tweaking and >truing-up. >For 1/32 and beyond, it is a wonderment! >RK _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:13:32 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Ceramic Rigging Material Message-ID: <12.bfdf9af.281b1edc@aol.com> D. .... Precision doesn't have a website that I know of, but if you want to try the material, I'll get you some. It comes 10 ft. to a package @ $5.00 per pack (last time I bought it). It is snapped with an xacto (rather than cut), attaches with white glue and stays perfectly rigid at virtually any length. To contact Precision Enterprises Unlimited directly: P.O. Box 97F Springfield, Vermont 05156 U.S.A. phone: 802-885-3094 after 5:00 p.m. EST weekdays or 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Saturdays You will speak to either Bruce or Marita Johnson (an extraordinary modeler!) who are personal friends... please mention my name. I unashamedly endorse their service! They also stock many other modelers' needs, including hard-to-find kits, and are OT afficianados also. Matt... I hate to be argumentative, but I honestly don't see how you can say this material is too heavy for our purposes. At only 6 thousandths, it is suitably thin for even 1/72 scale models, and virtually 'invisible' on a completed model... painted monofilament is actually thicker. Frankly, the one comment I always hear at shows is "what on earth did you rig that with?" I still insist it is unbeatable for rigging. Michael.... See above. This material has a metallic finish that also 'sparkles' a bit, does add some strength, and doesn't require any drilling! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:18:12 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Things to remember while WWI modelling Message-ID: <000001c0cf4e$cd2dbf60$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Cam wrote: >2. Put the Engine in the Martinsyde before you >close the fuselage. Surely an Elephant never forgets.............? Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The disease spreads Message-ID: <20010427191958.840.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> --- Marcio Antonio Campos wrote: > Well, I never told you, but I also assemble all-time > Russian/Soviet > airplanes, either 1/72 or 1/144 (there are at least 4 MiGs > waiting for me by > now, as well as two Sukhoi aircrafts). Oooo! Do tell! What are they? BTW, self plug here. If you have never been there, you may want to check out the best VVS site on the 'net: http://www.kithobbyist.com/VVS Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 02:09:46 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: First tank attack was RE: Passchendaele Message-ID: <3AE999CA.B2BCAA40@tac.com.au> Crawford Neil wrote: > > I can't remember where my Grandad got his blighty, > Mons or the Somme or something, he said it was in the first > german tank attack, the whole trench he was in got wiped out > by a shell, he was the only survivor. > I have two questions, why was a wound that > got you sent home called a blighty, and when was the first > german tank attack? > /Neil Hi Neil, I would assume it was called a "Blighty" because it got you send back to Blighty (UK). Shane - who must really scan his Flanders photos & post them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:33:45 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: <3d.ace46da.281b2399@aol.com> --part1_3d.ace46da.281b2399_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An earlier post from me may have seemed harsh about Sir Douglas Haig, but I was merely repeating the often repeated judgment of him. In fact, I am somewhat of a contrarian about Haig, as I feel that his shortcomings have been the focus of his reputation since his death, and that is not the whole story. Haig was a national hero until his death in 1928, and remained so until Lloyd George's memoirs cast him as a man indifferent to the suffering of his men. I personally have suspicions of Lloyd George's motives in the matter, ( does anyone remember the business of Monty's memoirs, after Eisenhower was elected President?). Haig was certainly not the 'brightest light on the tree' but he was not an incompetent, overall. Haig's grasp of the 'big picture' was better than almost all of his contemporaries, his actions in 1914 and 1915 (while commanding 1st Corps and later 1st Army), and his support of the French, were crucial to the survival of the Allied cause during that period. Sir John French, the man Haig replaced as Commander of the BEF was a pessimist who wanted to withdraw the BEF from the first day. Haig has been characterized as cold and indifferent, but that is more I think, a matter of British culture of the period, the rigid class structure of the times, not some monstrous lack of humanity in the man. I feel that it was what are normally virtues in most men, that made Haig seem such a dunderhead. Haig was a believer in the classic (and valid) military principle that offensives win wars. He was an 'optimist', and he had considerable faith in his officers and men, (which was fully justified). Haig used his organizational skills to give his men everything he thought they needed, and made every effort to ensure that the troops would succeed. Haig was one of first senior ground commanders to grasp the importance of aviation. Haig learned from every one of his battles, and improved steadily, if slowly. Haig's offensive in 1918 was, despite the German collapse, a masterpiece of planning, the world's first modern "combined arms'" campaign. Un brilliant and slow to learn, yes, definitely, but he was neither 'dolt' or monster. Merrill --part1_3d.ace46da.281b2399_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An earlier post from me may have seemed harsh about Sir Douglas Haig, but I
was merely repeating the often repeated judgment of him. In fact, I am
somewhat of a contrarian about Haig, as I feel that his shortcomings have
been the focus of his reputation since his death, and that is not the whole
story. Haig was a national hero until his death in 1928, and remained so
until Lloyd George's memoirs cast him as a man indifferent to the suffering
of his men. I personally have suspicions of Lloyd George's motives in the
matter, ( does anyone remember the business of Monty's memoirs, after
Eisenhower was elected President?). Haig was certainly not the 'brightest
light on the tree' but he was not an incompetent, overall. Haig's grasp of
the 'big picture' was better than almost all of his contemporaries, his
actions in 1914 and 1915 (while commanding 1st Corps and later 1st Army), and
his support of the French, were crucial to the survival of the Allied cause
during that period. Sir John French, the man Haig replaced as Commander of
the BEF was a pessimist who wanted to withdraw the BEF from the first day.
Haig has been characterized as cold and indifferent, but that is more I
think, a matter of British culture of the period, the rigid class structure
of the times, not some monstrous lack of humanity in the man. I feel that it
was what are normally virtues in most men, that made Haig seem such a
dunderhead. Haig was a believer in the classic (and valid) military principle
that offensives win wars. He was an 'optimist', and he had considerable faith
in his officers and men, (which was fully justified). Haig used his
organizational skills to give his men everything he thought they needed, and
made every effort to ensure that the troops would succeed. Haig was one of
first senior ground commanders to grasp the importance of aviation. Haig
learned from every one of his battles, and improved steadily, if slowly.
Haig's offensive in 1918 was, despite the German collapse, a masterpiece of
planning, the world's first modern "combined arms'" campaign.  
Un brilliant and slow to learn, yes, definitely, but he was neither 'dolt' or
monster.
Merrill --part1_3d.ace46da.281b2399_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:39:05 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: The disease spreads Message-ID: <000701c0cf51$b920a980$351ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Matt > Bittner > Subject: Re: The disease spreads > > > > Well, I never told you, but I also assemble all-time > > Russian/Soviet > > airplanes, either 1/72 or 1/144 (there are at least 4 MiGs > > waiting for me by > > now, as well as two Sukhoi aircrafts). > > Oooo! Do tell! What are they? I'm finishing a 1/144 MiG 29. Waiting for me: 1/72 MiG 15 1/144 MiG 21, MiG 23, MiG 25, MiG 27 and MiG 29 "The Swifts", Su-27 and S-37 "Berkut". The postman will bring to me soon: 1/72 MiG 3 and Polikarpov I-16 (the green one, not the white one) 1/144 Su-22 and Su-25. > BTW, self plug here. If you have never been there, you may want > to check out the best VVS site on the 'net: > http://www.kithobbyist.com/VVS Be sure I'll take a look carefully later. But I've already seen your name there. > Matt Bittner Best regards Marcio Campos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:46:28 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Passchendale/Haig Message-ID: >From: MAnde72343@aol.com >An earlier post from me may have seemed harsh about Sir Douglas Haig, >but >I was merely repeating the often repeated judgment of him. In fact, >I am >somewhat of a contrarian about Haig, as I feel that his >shortcomings have >been the focus of his reputation since his death, and >that is not the >whole story. Haig was a national hero until his death >in 1928, and >remained so until Lloyd George's memoirs cast him as a man >indifferent to >the suffering of his men. I personally have suspicions >of Lloyd George's >motives in the matter, ( does anyone remember the >business of Monty's >memoirs, after Eisenhower was elected President?). Merrill: Please, what is this Monty business. I am readin his memoirs at present. BTW, they are entertaining and clearly written. I agree about Haig. Having read a fair amount about him both pro & con, I cannot make up my mind. Every so often the WWI history list has a go-round on whether he was a genius or a monster (neither in my opinion) - much like our list's "What colour red was MVR's aeroplane" or "Were Jasta 5's Von Schnitzel's wing tips light blue or more of a blue-green?" Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:50:48 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... Message-ID: <71.cf6310f.281b2798@aol.com> In a message dated 4/27/01 12:06:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thegreatlandoni@hotmail.com writes: << Well, I DEFINITELY have enough material! But I'm afraid it wouldn't sell too well. Jim >> I don't know- a book on what not to do may the all time modeling best seller- kind of a "Model Building for Dummies". Write it and maybe get rich! Start the first chapter with "Epoxy is not usually edible" RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:25:16 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Things to Remember when WW1 Modelling...... Message-ID: --part1_dc.5823ea6.281b2fac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RK, LOL! Jim that's a great start. Merrill --part1_dc.5823ea6.281b2fac_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RK, LOL! Jim that's a great start.
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