WWI Digest 3314 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Back onboard by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 2) RE: vac lore by Crawford Neil 3) RE: ANZAC Day by Shane Weier 4) RE: ANZAC Day by "dfernet0" 5) Re: french seatbelts by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 6) RE: french seatbelts by Crawford Neil 7) stringer lines WAS: vac lore by "dfernet0" 8) Re: vac lore by "Steven M.Perry" 9) Re: stringer lines WAS: vac lore by "Steven M.Perry" 10) welcome Greg & Marcio (better late than never) by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 11) RE: french seatbelts by "dfernet0" 12) RE: Salmson kit by "dfernet0" 13) Thanks re Pfalz MG cover by "Stefen Karver" 14) New SPAD from Rosemont by Matt Bittner 15) RE: New SPAD from Rosemont by Crawford Neil 16) RE: New SPAD from Rosemont by Matt Bittner 17) RE: ANZAC Day by "Brian Nicklas" 18) RE: french seatbelts by "Lance Krieg" 19) RE: New SPAD from Rosemont by "dfernet0" 20) Des Moines contest by Matt Bittner 21) was : New SPAD from Rosemont - Other scales by "Ray Boorman" 22) RE: was : New SPAD from Rosemont - Other scales by Crawford Neil 23) Re: french seatbelts by "Lee J. Mensinger" 24) Re: Russian WW1 aircraft by Allan Wright 25) Harleyford question by Matt Bittner 26) RE: Harleyford question by Crawford Neil 27) Re: Harleyford question by "Lee J. Mensinger" 28) Re: ANZAC Day by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 29) RE: Harleyford question, a little more by Crawford Neil 30) Re: BMW logo - Again - by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:50:38 -0500 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Back onboard Message-ID: > >Happy -belated- birthday Mark! >>I'll be turning 32 next june. How does it feels? >>D. > >Depressing. . .pulled my first grey hair out by the roots on Monday. >Then again I think the grey was caused by Sopwith stress more than the >rapid onset of old age ;-) Mark, Be careful when you start pulling out the grey ones. There is a little known curse that the Good Lord has put each and every one of the gray ones.. It seams to go like this. You pull out a single gray hair, and within one weeks time, you will see that no less than 4 have shown up to take its place. I am speaking from first hand knowledge here. I look in a mirror now and can see where the gray hairs are fast replacing the red ones in my beard. I used to think it was a sign of old age, now I look at them as a signs of great knowledge and experience. It is even a sign for some of the kids who work for me. I can remind them that I have much more knowledge that they have smart answers for lifes little speed bumps. Some times they buy it. Good luck with the gray control and happy birthday you teeny boppers out there. John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:20:10 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: vac lore Message-ID: Good idea Diego, a lot of vacforms have soft plastic and quite thin, just don't try it on a Merlin;-) /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 24 april 2001 18:58 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: vac lore > > > You may wonder why I asked for some Moranes a while ago... > Last weekend, as I waited for some paint to dry, I saw the very basic > Airframe vac of the Bristol MC1 fighter. As you may remember, > the fuselage > structure of this plane is reminiscent of those sleek Morane > Saulniers. > The problem with the Airframe vas was that the stringer lines of the > fuselgae are very very soft and this have intrigued me. > Without extracting the fuselage side from the sheet, I slowly > traced the > fuselage lines from the inside with a dry ballpen until after a lot of > passes I had these lines clearly defines on the outside of > the vac sheet. > It's easy and more quick than you might expect, as the > fuselage wall are > quite thin. The key was working slowly, to avoid damage and > unwanted lines > on the fuselage surface. > Next, I touched up the exterior wit a sanding stick, > following the surfaces > defined by the scored lines. Piece of cake! the fuselage > surface lloks OK > and faceted like the real thing. > Now I'd really love to do this on one of those french designs! > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:43:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: ANZAC Day Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748F97@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Gabe says: > Amen to those fine words, Shane. The sacrifices made by all > in all the > senseless conflicts were made by those who complained the > least. A salute to all........ I'm encouraged to say that there is little chance that Australians will forget about WW1 and the sacrifices made by people on both sides. Gallipoli is on the other side of the world, but 15,000+ people were at the dawn service there this morning. TV pictures (and anecdotal evidence) tells us that there are many retirees who make the pilgrimage to ANZAC Cove, but that the vast majority of the Australians and New Zealanders at the dawn service are half my age or younger - backpacker tourists in their late teens or early twenties. Same thing here in Brisbane, at my local, suburban, service. Kinda funny having kids look at me like as if I must be an old and heroic returned serviceman, when in reality the most dangerous thing in my 12 years service was playing football against the New Zealanders :-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:04:10 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: ANZAC Day Message-ID: <006401c0cd6f$128d7be0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Shane! > the most dangerous thing in my 12 years service > was playing football against the New Zealanders :-) I'd rather fly in the front seat of a FE2 than to play against those savages! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 05:55:03 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: french seatbelts Message-ID: <003b01c0cd6d$cd894a70$9d37183f@cyrixp166> The British made a lot of Spads, but I am not sure how much combat they saw. My impression from Jack Bruce's tomes is that 23 & 19 squadron flew mainly Frenbch built Spads as there was some indication that these had better performance. Many British Spads were used in training squadrons in Britian. What is the consensus of the group? Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 7:22 AM Subject: RE: french seatbelts > Anyway, wasn't most of the british Spads made in the UK? So they would have > used a standard british seatbelt. That's a good detail to point to judges in > a contest! > I guess that an american Nieuport would have used french seatbelts while in > France. I'm I wrong? > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Crawford Neil > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:16 AM > Subject: RE: french seatbelts > > > > My Grandpa used to tell me gruesome tales of cleaning m/gs on > > crashed spads, camels etc. Sounds like you are all too right, > > about lap-belts in RFC/RAF a/c. I think he also mentioned spads, but > > he might have been talking about sychronising them, my memory is awful, > > and his probably wasn't any better. > > /Neil > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:13:41 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: french seatbelts Message-ID: That you are correct! /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: John & Allison Cyganowski [mailto:janah@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: den 25 april 2001 12:06 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: french seatbelts > > > The British made a lot of Spads, but I am not sure how much > combat they saw. > My impression from Jack Bruce's tomes is that 23 & 19 > squadron flew mainly > Frenbch built Spads as there was some indication that these had better > performance. Many British Spads were used in training > squadrons in Britian. > > What is the consensus of the group? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:20:43 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: stringer lines WAS: vac lore Message-ID: <007701c0cd71$62c8cfe0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> In fact, Neil, I face a similar "stringered fuselage" case in my Merlin Halberstadt D.II It is very thick plastic, but I think that I'll try stretched sprue glued and later paint over then with varnish or white enamel, as St. Harry advises. However, I have pre-ordered the Pegasus kit, so I'll probably never finish the $&%$/() Merlin Halberstadt anyway! I'm not as good general as Steve Perry is, you know. D. PS: I checked St. Harry's book regarding the french seatbelts... he shows a completely different seatbelt from what we wre discussing, but I guess that it's for another type (earlier) plane, as nieuport 10 and 12s ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 5:26 AM Subject: RE: vac lore > Good idea Diego, a lot of vacforms have soft plastic and quite thin, > just don't try it on a Merlin;-) > /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:24:17 -0400 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: vac lore Message-ID: <002e01c0cd71$e293a7e0$32f9aec7@default> > Good idea Diego, a lot of vacforms have soft plastic and quite thin, > just don't try it on a Merlin;-) BWAHAHAHAHA sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:30:10 -0400 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: stringer lines WAS: vac lore Message-ID: <003401c0cd72$b53e51e0$32f9aec7@default> However, I have pre-ordered the Pegasus kit, so I'll probably never > finish the $&%$/() Merlin Halberstadt anyway! > I'm not as good general as Steve Perry is, you know. > D Comandante Fernetti The mark of a good General is to pick a fight he can win. ;-). When all is said & done the AEG war will probably end in armistace rather than unconditional surrender of the enemy. sp Who is shelving the AEG again in order to accomodate a certain E-zene editor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:33:33 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: welcome Greg & Marcio (better late than never) Message-ID: > Wait for welcome from Tomasz, he lives in Bedzin near Katowce (about > half way between Krakow and Wroclaw), He was very busy lately but I'm > sure he would send you and all new members greetings message. Greg, Marcio, greetings from south part of Poland! So nice to meet you both! Please forgive me that I welcome you so late :o( Mea cupla. But indeed, I have been neglecting our list a bit for a few last days, and I have been using "search Tomasz or Polish" facility only to know if somebody had asked about something. This is why I've missed opportunity to learn about your subscription. Now I see that there is over one thousand unread e-mails in my "wwi-models" folder. I have to reserve a full day to update my knowledge ;o) Cheers, Tomasz -----------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A----------------- Lepsze wiadomosci z kraju i z zagranicy. Nie wierzysz? Sprawdz - http://wiadomosci.interia.pl/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:43:44 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: french seatbelts Message-ID: <00a401c0cd74$99c1f6e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> British Spads were built by Blériot & Spad Aircraft Works at Addlestone (for the RFC) and by Mann, Eggerton & Co. Ltd. at Norwich (for the RNAS). However, all were transferred to the RFC, whose pilots didn't considered the british built Spad too much. IIRC the main differences of the british Spads with their cousins of France were (apart from the colour) an obstrusive gun fairing, side cowl without louvers (bleriots) and a different system of radiator shutters, if any. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: Re: french seatbelts > The British made a lot of Spads, but I am not sure how much combat they saw. > My impression from Jack Bruce's tomes is that 23 & 19 squadron flew mainly > Frenbch built Spads as there was some indication that these had better > performance. Many British Spads were used in training squadrons in Britian. > > What is the consensus of the group? > > Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:30:36 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Salmson kit Message-ID: <014a01c0cd7b$2604e3a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Certainly Jim's website is a must for any modeller contemplating building an accurate Slamson model! Great work, Jim! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Nicklas To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 5:44 PM Subject: Re: Salmson kit > > With all your work, and a list of kits it looks like you may have the "All > Salmson, All The Time" website Jim. > Great - it'll make it easy for me to find all the reference I need. > Thanks for the kit list Matt. > Brian > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:00:11 -0400 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Thanks re Pfalz MG cover Message-ID: <002301c0cd7f$4bcadaa0$5d6dd6d8@stephen> Thanks Diego, Steve, Volker, Merrill for the replies. The Eduard kit solution never appealed to me, so I cut through the forward face and thinned the cover walls enough to accept (barely) a bit of jacket peeking through for a more satisfying result. Good to know that this is probably correct (or at least not controverted by the evidence!). I've been out of commission for health reasons, but hope to get back to some modeling. Best to all, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 05:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: New SPAD from Rosemont Message-ID: <20010425125513.83555.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Rosemont's new, all-resin SPAD A.2 is now out. Be sure to check out the site, since it appears Barry had Allan Durkota build one for him. Looks great! $29.95, including decals. I'm going to order mine as soon as his shop opens... :-) Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:02:45 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: New SPAD from Rosemont Message-ID: Which means it must be in 1/72 (without a question mark) /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Bittner [mailto:ipmsfortcrook@yahoo.com] > Sent: den 25 april 2001 15:00 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: New SPAD from Rosemont > > > Rosemont's new, all-resin SPAD A.2 is now out. Be sure to check > out the site, since it appears Barry had Allan Durkota build one > for him. Looks great! $29.95, including decals. I'm going to > order mine as soon as his shop opens... :-) > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New SPAD from Rosemont Message-ID: <20010425130950.85904.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> --- Crawford Neil wrote: > Which means it must be in 1/72 (without a question mark) Why, are there other scales? :-) Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:22:36 -0400 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: ANZAC Day Message-ID: >> was playing football against the New Zealanders :-) >I'd rather fly in the front seat of a FE2 than to play against those savages! Hey now! I once knew a few NZ ladies - Dads were NZ Army types at the Embassy here in Washington. I got along with the ladies and their dads just fine. (but that's another long story... ;) But boy did they get pissed off when some enlightened idiot would ask if they had to row over to Oz for supplies (it only looks so far on the map)! Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:10:33 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: french seatbelts Message-ID: As promised, I did some digging on this subject, and found: WWIAero 131 shows three versions, all webbing lap belts with leather reinforcement patches. Webbing is brown, light gray, and bright red with two black stripes (!). These are early planes of unknown make. For Nieuports V-strutters up to the 17bis, these appear to have been any of three approaches: webbing, webbing with leather, and all leather in a 3 to 4 inch belt. These were limited, in the pictures I saw, to lap belts that were secured to the seat back. Pictures in the Nieuport DF special, both volumes, and WWIAero 110, among other places. The N.23 in Brussels has no belt remaining. For N. 28, there are pictures in WWIAero 166, and Windsock 16/5 of the Champlin example. This is a four-point system with a central metal clasp into which the belt ends feed. The belt appears to be about 3-4 inches (60-90mm) wide, and I can't tell from the B/w photos if it is leather or webbing (my guess). I believe this Champlin N.28 was the one restored in Texas, and therefore the plane that Lee is familiar with, right? You ARE building a N.28, right, Diego? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:16:50 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: New SPAD from Rosemont Message-ID: <019f01c0cd92$5f011680$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> A true Spad season! The only down side is the price. :-( This one will have to wait for a while... D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 10:00 AM Subject: New SPAD from Rosemont > Rosemont's new, all-resin SPAD A.2 is now out. Be sure to check > out the site, since it appears Barry had Allan Durkota build one > for him. Looks great! $29.95, including decals. I'm going to > order mine as soon as his shop opens... :-) > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Des Moines contest Message-ID: <20010425142505.26195.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> I know Lance and I will be there this weekend, but is anyone else planning on attending the West Des Moines contest this Saturday? Glen? Todd? Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:22:11 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: was : New SPAD from Rosemont - Other scales Message-ID: 1/144th perhaps > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Matt > Bittner > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 6:15 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: New SPAD from Rosemont > > > --- Crawford Neil wrote: > > > Which means it must be in 1/72 (without a question mark) > > Why, are there other scales? > > :-) > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:29:24 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: was : New SPAD from Rosemont - Other scales Message-ID: Yes, that's half of 1/72, so an OK scale /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Boorman [mailto:Ray_Boorman@telus.net] > Sent: den 25 april 2001 16:30 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: was : New SPAD from Rosemont - Other scales > > > 1/144th perhaps > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On > Behalf Of Matt > > Bittner > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 6:15 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: RE: New SPAD from Rosemont > > > > > > --- Crawford Neil wrote: > > > > > Which means it must be in 1/72 (without a question mark) > > > > Why, are there other scales? > > > > :-) > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:39:02 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: french seatbelts Message-ID: <3AE6E186.6533A393@x25.net> You are right. That is the one done in Texas. "Kicking Mule" and all. Lee M Lance Krieg wrote: > As promised, I did some digging on this subject, and found: > > WWIAero 131 shows three versions, all webbing lap belts with leather reinforcement patches. Webbing is brown, light gray, and bright red with two black stripes (!). These are early planes of unknown make. > > For Nieuports V-strutters up to the 17bis, these appear to have been any of three approaches: webbing, webbing with leather, and all leather in a 3 to 4 inch belt. These were limited, in the pictures I saw, to lap belts that were secured to the seat back. Pictures in the Nieuport DF special, both volumes, and WWIAero 110, among other places. > > The N.23 in Brussels has no belt remaining. > > For N. 28, there are pictures in WWIAero 166, and Windsock 16/5 of the Champlin example. This is a four-point system with a central metal clasp into which the belt ends feed. The belt appears to be about 3-4 inches (60-90mm) wide, and I can't tell from the B/w photos if it is leather or webbing (my guess). > > I believe this Champlin N.28 was the one restored in Texas, and therefore the plane that Lee is familiar with, right? > > You ARE building a N.28, right, Diego? > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:53:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: Interpreter@newmail.ru Cc: wwi Subject: Re: Russian WW1 aircraft Message-ID: <200104251453.KAA16826@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Boris, Thank you for your offer. I have forwarded your mail to members of my mailing list who may be interested in exchanging information with you. If you would like to join the mailing list I think you find it's members friendly and well informed. sincerely, Allan Wright > > > Dear Sir, > > I have a number of different sources of information > concerning military use of aircraft of Russian, French, > British, Italian as well as other manufactureres built in > Eastern Front (1914-1917) and during the Civil War in > Russia (1917-1921). > > I would be glad to share this information with any > enthusiast in modelmaking hobby area or any others > interested persons. > > I would also be very glad to get free (if possible) > information about modellists interested in making French, > Dutch (Fokker), Russian WW1 military aircraft models (1/72). > > If you are interested in my proposal, be free to let me > know about that. My e-mail adress is Interpreter@newmail.ru > > Yours faithfully, > Boris Selin. > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Harleyford question Message-ID: <20010425154420.790.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> I'm not sure of this, which is why I'm asking. Is the SPAD A.2 in the fighters Harleyford book or...? I'm leaning toward the fighters book because that's what it is, but being a two seater could also throw things. TIA! Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:49:53 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Harleyford question Message-ID: I'm pretty sure it's in the fighter book, I'll check tonight, anyone else know for certain? /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Bittner [mailto:ipmsfortcrook@yahoo.com] > Sent: den 25 april 2001 17:49 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Harleyford question > > > I'm not sure of this, which is why I'm asking. Is the SPAD A.2 > in the fighters Harleyford book or...? I'm leaning toward the > fighters book because that's what it is, but being a two seater > could also throw things. TIA! > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:52:31 -0500 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Harleyford question Message-ID: <3AE6F2BF.FD8F40D7@x25.net> Harleyford Fighter Aircraft. Pages 102 and 103 plus specs on 216. Lee M. Matt Bittner wrote: > I'm not sure of this, which is why I'm asking. Is the SPAD A.2 > in the fighters Harleyford book or...? I'm leaning toward the > fighters book because that's what it is, but being a two seater > could also throw things. TIA! > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:55:04 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ANZAC Day Message-ID: <3AE6C928.481BCE53@tac.com.au> Shane Weier wrote: > I'm encouraged to say that there is little chance that Australians will > forget about WW1 and the sacrifices made by people on both sides. Gallipoli > is on the other side of the world, but 15,000+ people were at the dawn > service there this morning. > > TV pictures (and anecdotal evidence) tells us that there are many retirees > who make the pilgrimage to ANZAC Cove, but that the vast majority of the > Australians and New Zealanders at the dawn service are half my age or > younger - backpacker tourists in their late teens or early twenties. There was a big turnout at both the local Dawn Service here & parade later on. Was very gratifying to see the respect that was given to veterans as they marched up the local street (I was on first aid duty in the courtesy bus at the front of the parade & had a birds eye view). > Same thing here in Brisbane, at my local, suburban, service. Kinda funny > having kids look at me like as if I must be an old and heroic returned > serviceman, when in reality the most dangerous thing in my 12 years service > was playing football against the New Zealanders :-) Hell, I thought the most "dangerous" thing you did was marry Megan ;-) Anyway, as an ex serviceman you deserve to have kids look at you as an example - well at least in that light anyway ;-) StY - Exhausted after a long day ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:53:27 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Harleyford question, a little more Message-ID: OTOH the Spad 16 which is also a fighter is in the bomber book. The line between fighters and bombers/recc wasn't so sharp in those day's. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Bittner [mailto:ipmsfortcrook@yahoo.com] > Sent: den 25 april 2001 17:49 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Harleyford question > > > I'm not sure of this, which is why I'm asking. Is the SPAD A.2 > in the fighters Harleyford book or...? I'm leaning toward the > fighters book because that's what it is, but being a two seater > could also throw things. TIA! > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:43:23 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BMW logo - Again - Message-ID: Hi Hans, I'd like a gander at that logo. Thanks, Steve In a message dated 4/24/1 12:23:25 PM, hans.trauner@nefkom.net writes: << If anybody is interested, I have a small 14kb jpg ready from it. Contact me off-list and I'll mail it. Hans >> ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3314 **********************