WWI Digest 3304 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) AFC Uniforms was [RE: Figures] by "cameron rile" 2) Re: High Time Type by "cameron rile" 3) RE: ot alert! Quitting smoking by Mark Miller 4) Re: High Time Type by "Bob Pearson" 5) Re: Wheels of the RAF, Crossley Tender by "cameron rile" 6) A Photography Question by NodalPoint@aol.com 7) Early Color Photographs by NodalPoint@aol.com 8) Re: Early Colo(u)r Photographs by "Bob Pearson" 9) Model Galleries by "TOM PLESHA" 10) RE: Introducing myself by Shane Weier 11) Re: Introducing myself by "Bob Pearson" 12) RE: Karen's AEG by Shane Weier 13) RE: Karen's AEG by Shane Weier 14) Re: BMW logo Other Logo's from wwi by DavidL1217@aol.com 15) Re: Paint Schemes for the Brave by "Allen H Besser" 16) Re: Off Topic - beer by "Allen H Besser" 17) Re: Paint Schemes for the Brave by "Bob Pearson" 18) Re: Paint Schemes for the Brave by Karen Rychlewski 19) A.E.G. must be 1:12 scale (was: Web Update) by "Jim Landon" 20) Re: Jasta tents by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 21) RE: Jasta tents by Shane Weier 22) RE: AFC Uniforms was [RE: Figures] by Shane Weier 23) stippling was Re: Aww, shucks, guys by "Sandy Adam" 24) Re: BMW logo Other Logo's from wwi by "Steven M.Perry" 25) RE: A Photography Question by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:23:44 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: AFC Uniforms was [RE: Figures] Message-ID: <8FCDBB02F6635D115A660005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> Shane wrote; >So why aren't you doing Australian figures then And Eric asked; >any difference between them and their brit >& canadian counter parts? For the AFC folks in Palestine they wore the slouch hat, probably because the Lighthorse were prominent in that theatre and they wore the slouchy too. The AFC Officers in Palestine wore a mix of the slouch, the brimmed cap and Williams in som official photos wears the British Tropical helmet. Palestine would probably be unqiue as Australia would have been supplying much of the logistics into the British logistical system and would probably have been supplying things such as uniforms for the Lighthorse and Camel Corps, if not the British, Scottish and Indian troops as well. One thing I did note in Point Cook was that Rutherfords tunic had RFC Wings on it! Yet most photos of tunics have the AFC wings on them. So where Australian Logistics failed, they would have undoubtedly used the British supplies. In Europe the AFC Officers appeared to always have AFC Wings and wear an RFC style cap, and the enlisted men appear to be in slouch hats predominantly. About the only main differance with the AIF uniform over the British or Canadian uniform is the shoulder patches for units and the brass AIF badges on the chest? shoulders and hat. I dont know about any differances to do with the cut of AIF and AFC uniforms in comparison to the RFC/RAF uniform, but as it was AIF issue there are probably some other differances. I put some photos up of AFC tunics at; http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/pointcook/afc_organization_afc_uniforms.htm http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/pointcook/afc_organization_afc_wings.htm http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/pointcook/afc_organization_afc_armybadge.htm I am not an expert on uniforms, nor on AIF uniforms so take all that with a grain of salt :) cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:31:00 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: High Time Type Message-ID: <38DDBB02F6635D115A660005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> Steve, >I wonder which design flew the most combat >hours For an individual aircraft in the British and Commonwealth Forces it was an RE8 from 3 Sqn AFC. A4397 "Sylvia" achieved 440 hours of flight over the German lines and crossed the line 147 times. The common pilot of Sylvia was Capt R.G. Francis who did an amazing 542 hours and 25 minutes flying time with 3 Sqn AFC. The next nearest pilot in flying hours in 3 Sqn was Capt Jones who did 309 hours. Sylvia was taken to Tasmania after the war to be shown off, and then disappeared. Someone has bits of Sylvia in their shed probably without realizing it. As to modeling A4397, apparently it has a Cupie Doll in the "D", which would be pretty neat. cam http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: 21 Apr 2001 15:29:12 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: ot alert! Quitting smoking Message-ID: <20010421222912.27501.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Sat, 21 April 2001, "Gaston Graf" wrote: > As for the smoker caves... no, I don't go to locations where such people > are. I really don't need that stinking smell. Once there was a time where > smoking was still allowed in office rooms and my wifes long hair was > stinking like hell when she got home. Glad they finally prohibited the > smoking at workplaces because smokers in most cases are very regardless to > non smokers. They NEED laws, penalties, or maybe the Guillotine to stop that > §%!T. At least here in this part of the world smokers rarely ask if non > smokers feel bothered by their stench. The drop their tips or their empty > cigarette boxes wherever they go, making the world look like a giantic ash > tray or trash can... To sad to see how regardless such people are. > > Gaston Graf Oh no! Not here too, is nothing sacred can't a man slowly kill himself without this kind of abuse :-Y yea I know - just got to quit one of these days BTW I consider myself to be a very considerate smoker Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:34:58 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: High Time Type Message-ID: <200104211427.f3LERRK63675@mail.rapidnet.net> Hey ... I've got or seen a photo of that somewhere Bob ---------- >From: "cameron rile" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: High Time Type >Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2001, 3:32 pm > > As to modeling A4397, > apparently it has a Cupie Doll in the "D", which > would be pretty neat. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:39:12 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Wheels of the RAF, Crossley Tender Message-ID: Mark, >I notice that in the picture at the top of >this page that the Crossley tender is towing >an Albatros. I wonder if this is a captured >plane or did the germans use it as well. It >also looks like they rigged up some sort of >flatbed to carry the wings - would make a >nice diorama. That is Dittmars Albatros DIII from FA300, one of the Canadian pilots from 111 RFC brought him down in late 1917 while flying a then new to the Palestinian front Bristol F2b. 1 Sqn AFC went out and brought it in to their aerodrome where it was flown for a bit. IIRC Joe Bull commented that the repairs that had been done it were a bit rough, probably an indication of the logistical and supply problems FA300 were having by late 1917. cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:44:29 EDT From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: A Photography Question Message-ID: Hi, I would like to find out more about the Sanke postcards I often see. I'm trying to find out who did these, any technical info about how they were made, were these Sanke images limited to aircraft, what was photographed before and after the war etc. I haven't come across the name in any of my photo history books, so if someone could give me some guidance I would appreciate it. Off-list is great if this is too far from the modeling discussion. Thanks, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:53:51 EDT From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Early Color Photographs Message-ID: <79.138166ec.2813697f@aol.com> Has anyone come across any original color images of WWI aircraft. I know there were some color processes in use at the time (autochrome, etc.) and would imagine that military aircraft would be of interest to photographers. The autochrome process was quite popular in the US. I have seen autochromes of postwar aircraft but nothing from the war itself. Thanks, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:04:41 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Early Colo(u)r Photographs Message-ID: <200104211456.f3LEutK64548@mail.rapidnet.net> The rear cover of Windsock 5/4 (and another issue IIRC) has original colour photos shot by Frank Hurley .... one is of an F2b with crew standing in front of it being briefed, another an SE5a, Hurley was also a member of Shackleton's expedition in 1914 and had both his colour camera and a movie camera with him and documented their two years trapped in the Antarctic. National Geographic ran these shots a couple of years ago. . . amazing to think this was almost 100 years ago. The WW1 photos are also in the Kookaburra publication on the AFC. Bob ---------- >From: NodalPoint@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Early Color Photographs >Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2001, 3:58 pm > > > Has anyone come across any original color images of WWI aircraft. I know > there were some color processes in use at the time (autochrome, etc.) and > would imagine that military aircraft would be of interest to photographers. > The autochrome process was quite popular in the US. > > I have seen autochromes of postwar aircraft but nothing from the war itself. > > Thanks, > Steve > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:16:07 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Model Galleries Message-ID: <000501c0cab9$0c0e5400$5e434c0c@tom> Hi Everyone- I just thought I would make some general comments. Since before and after I became a part of the list, time permitting-which for me is extremely limited due to work, I visted almost randomly the some of the sites listed. Today, I was able to take some time and start visting sites. I was only able to visit the 1st column. It was an experience. Regardless of the models, scales, etc. meaning vehicles, aircraft, figures, they are unbelievable. For those whose site I was able to view, thank you for the experience. This is truly art in its finest. I shall visit all of the sites as I can. For those of you who have not done this, do it, you owe it to yourself. thanks again Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:04:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Introducing myself Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748F68@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Marcio > Welcome from Sweden:-) > /Neil > PS. Shane was joking when he said Matt was joking! Don't believe *him* He's only joking Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:13:31 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Introducing myself Message-ID: <200104211705.f3LH5jK68675@mail.rapidnet.net> You're joking. . right? Bob ---------- >From: Shane Weier >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: Introducing myself >Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2001, 6:10 pm > > Marcio > > >> Welcome from Sweden:-) >> /Neil >> PS. Shane was joking when he said Matt was joking! > > Don't believe *him* > > He's only joking > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:18:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Karen's AEG Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748F69@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Karen, (snip) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:19:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Karen's AEG Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748F6A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Diego says: > After wearing out my eyes staring at my computer's screen, I > must say that I > surrender the finger chopping. Aww, NOW he gives it up... Lefty ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:09:37 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BMW logo Other Logo's from wwi Message-ID: <97.14772949.28139761@aol.com> Ferrari was given the priviledge to use Barracca's Cavalino Rampante. My other guess is that Alfa Romeo adapted the serpent from the Ansaldo flight that flew over Vienna. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:43:22 -0400 From: "Allen H Besser" To: Subject: Re: Paint Schemes for the Brave Message-ID: <00fc01c0cad6$00d2c900$9ee12a3f@compaq-computer> FWIW I have an Aurora Albatros D-5 kit from the '70s and it has a template for tracing lozenge camoflage. I doubt there were any such decals available then. I'll be happy to xerox it and send it to anyone interested if they'll e-mail me. Al Besser allen.besser@gte.net -----Original Message----- From: Mark Shannon To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Paint Schemes for the Brave >Marcio Antonio, > >Welcome to the list! > >For your Roland CII, many here can answer your questions better than I, but I believe the color would have been a blue, myself. It may have been very turquoise, as well, but I think a lot of impressions of WWI aircraft colors are 'tinted' by the passage of time and its ravages on the authentic paint. Blues are going to go green, for example. > >An example of a known case is the Aviatik-Berg D.I. in Hungary. This plane was painted in the hexagon-angle edged two color segment. The Datafile on the type describes these colors and an olive green and a tan. Current research indicates they were two grays, with the paint having yellowed. > >I think many of the blues described have taken on more of a green cast in the expert references because of quick restorations and lack of 'expertise' used in analyzing the paints. Remember, too, that a lot of the museums allowed smoking around the exhibits for years - talk about a dingy yellow stain. > >The second part of your questions, on the hexagon finishes... yes, these would be very daunting to paint. Fortunately, many of these pre-printed and painted schemes are now available in decal form from Gryphon/Americal, Eagle Strike, Pegasus and others. Included in the available types are such interesting camouflages as the multicolor (up to 9!) painted hexagons of Austria-Hungary, the 'Brumowski' pattern of rings and curlicues (swirls) and the preprinted drapery pattern Brumowski with its #6 shaped 'sworls', the 'Autumn leaf' form of sponge-mottled finish, and then the German Naval Hexagon and the variants of the 'Lozenge' preprinted fabric. Please check the website for ordering and contact information. > >If your heart is set on painting these camouflages to use the best mixes available, there are hints and tips to making templates for masking them. No one here would think that you were weird or overly picky... we are too weird as a group to do that. > >Welcome again, and happy modeling. > >.Mark. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:53:43 -0400 From: "Allen H Besser" To: Subject: Re: Off Topic - beer Message-ID: <013901c0cad7$72ed2f20$9ee12a3f@compaq-computer> Good to see your message, no objection at all to it on "our " list. As an absolutely devout microbrewed beer drinker (sipping Saranac Caramel Porter as I write this) I have to ask if you know of any similar list for micro beer drinkers. I realize if there is I'll never have time to buy beer again as all I'll be doing is reading e-mail. I just had to ask. Al (who, if the choice is Bud, Miller, Coors, Molson or Labatt's, will have a Diet Coke) Besser -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: Off Topic - beer >Sorry for the off topic post. Please delete if you're not a >"microbrewery" beer drinker. > >Just a few months ago, a new brewery made its wares available in >NE - New Belgium Brewery. I was able to taste Fat Tire for the >first time last week, and my wife found for me yesterday a six >pack. > >This is truly mana from heaven. I have had a lot of beers - >including while in Germany - and find that Fat Tire is so far >*the best*!! New Belgium has about ten different beers, and I >plan on sampling them all. :-) For more info see >http://www.newbelgium.com/frames.html. > >Please keep any replies off line to avoid cluttering the list. > >Unfortunately it's not available in all 50 states - and I'm not >sure if it will be. But it looks like the states one or two away >from its headquarters - in Ft. Collins, CO - has this beer >available. Yum! > > >Matt Bittner >looking forward to getting off work and opening another... > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:33:51 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Paint Schemes for the Brave Message-ID: <200104211928.f3LJS3K73046@mail.rapidnet.net> Heck, that was how I did my Smer Fokker D.VII. .. only took 16.5 hours to paint the lozenge .. I also did two 1/72 D.VIIs that way. Bob ---------- >From: "Allen H Besser" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Paint Schemes for the Brave >Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2001, 7:50 pm > > FWIW I have an Aurora Albatros D-5 kit from the '70s and it has a > template for tracing lozenge camoflage. I doubt there were any such > decals available then. I'll be happy to xerox it and send it to anyone > interested if they'll e-mail me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:59:26 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Paint Schemes for the Brave Message-ID: <3AE2571D.1F60EE32@earthlink.net> Hey Bob I'll see that and raise you: Back when my eyesight was better, I built a 1/48 Polish Albatros D.III(Oef) with the 4 color swirl camouflage on wings and tail...hand-painted. Dame Karen ...who is beginning to realize that she is disturbingly obsessive, which only her best friends used to tell her Bob Pearson wrote: > Heck, that was how I did my Smer Fokker D.VII. .. only took 16.5 hours to > paint the lozenge .. I also did two 1/72 D.VIIs that way. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:27:51 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: A.E.G. must be 1:12 scale (was: Web Update) Message-ID: <> Amazing indeed. Incredible. I assume that Diego has gone to chop off her fingers by now (I'm 200 or so messages behind on my email). However I believe this is actually a 1:12 scale model and she's just trying to fool us into believing it's 1:48. You can tell by the quality of the photographs. If it was really 1:48 no one could possibly have gotten such beautiful photographs. (Just kidding. I know she is an expert photographer and is trying to teach me off-list what I'm doing wrong.) Jim _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:21:42 -0500 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jasta tents Message-ID: >Hi all >I was wondering if any one has any information on the tents used to >protect German AC. There are quite a few photos and I can probably >get a general idea of their construction and shape with a little >effort. > >But a set of plans would make it easier > Good afternoon, The hanger you are looking for is available on The Fiddlers Green Web site. They have a number of paper card models available, one of which is a WWI Canvas Hanger. If you go to the cook-up site and look at my entry you will see one in the background. There have also been several mags in the past that have published articles about the Bosenau(SP) Hangers as well as a vac-u-form model of the same. I think Berry had the had hanger available at one time. I have a set of the plans somewhere (at the moment stored in a box somewhere and don't know where). The web site for Fiddlers Green is http://www.fiddlersgreen.net He also has some very interesting OT and ot airplanes and some buildings that could come in useful for dioramas. (not connected in any way other than a satisfied customer) John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:36:02 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Jasta tents Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748F6B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Tom says: > > Judging that our 1900's forefathers were a > little shorter than most of us, that puts most of the troops > in the picture at 1.7 m tall. Clearly not Aussies then, since 1.7m was under the *minimum* height allowed for Australian enlistees (5'8")until late in the war. By comparison the British minimum was 5'3", and this had already been relaxed in December 1914 with the formation of the first "bantam" battalion. FWIW Personally I'm a little loath to judge size on the basis of an assumption that our forebears were necessarily shorter than folk are today. For one thing, I have recently read that medieval scholars have apparently changed their opinions on the basis of anthropologcal evidence - too many long bones - over circumstantial evidence - for example small doors may mean short people, but equally it may mean an aversion to needlessly losing heat from a non centrally heated home. For another, I'm 185cm (6'1") which makes me 2" shorter than my OT grandfather and his father. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:45:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: AFC Uniforms was [RE: Figures] Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748F6C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Cam says: > I dont > know about any differances to do with the cut of > AIF and AFC uniforms in comparison to the RFC/RAF > uniform, but as it was AIF issue there are > probably some other differances. More variation in how they *wore* them. Open versus buttoned collars, rolled or cutoff sleeves and so forth. Haig reckoned them a rabble. The Aussies reckoned Haig a Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:52:23 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WWI Modelling List" Subject: stippling was Re: Aww, shucks, guys Message-ID: <001501c0cb12$08628ca0$02e8b094@sandyada> > If I want a sandy or > gravelly texture in a painting............ Geroff... Sandy > I start playing with the pressure till it > spits in a controllable fashion..... Bloody hell, RK! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:52:47 -0400 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: BMW logo Other Logo's from wwi Message-ID: <005701c0cb22$c07e4080$24f9aec7@default> After this recent thread on the BMW logo, up pulls this little convertible sports coupe, I forget the model. In it is this drop dead knockout bombshell blonde. Had to chase her after the light when I remembered I'd forgotten to check out the Logo ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:49:56 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: A Photography Question Message-ID: Steve, my friend Thorsten Pietsch is holding a lot of Sanke Cards at his website: http://www.frontflieger.de. Take a look at it! The Sanke cards was so called because they were edited by the W.Sanke postcard distribution company in Berlin. As far as I know the cards was not limited to aircraft because there was a lot of cards made of the German pilots, Aces or not. I have one Sanke card in a book showing Anthony Fokker in his early Fokker Eindecker. Due to the high quality of the pictures I suppose the orgininals was taken on glass plates rather than film. I have a wonderful book about the American photographer Edward S. Curtiss who travelled the US to photograph Native Born Americans. His pictures are fantastic, and they all was taken on glass plates. I wonder if such quality is possible using films. Hmm.... your question maybe isn't related directly to modeling as such but still OT ;o). cheers Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > Hi, > > I would like to find out more about the Sanke postcards I often see. I'm > trying to find out who did these, any technical info about how they were > made, were these Sanke images limited to aircraft, what was photographed > before and after the war etc. > > I haven't come across the name in any of my photo history books, so if > someone could give me some guidance I would appreciate it. > > Off-list is great if this is too far from the modeling discussion. > > Thanks, > Steve ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3304 **********************