WWI Digest 3303 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Wheels of the RAF, Crossley Tender by Mark Miller 2) Re: Wheels of the RAF, Crossley Tender by "Tom Sollers" 3) RE: Jasta tents by "Jay M. Thompson" 4) Winter OTF finally gets to the Great White North by "Ray Boorman" 5) Re: Winter OTF finally gets to the Great White North by "Matt Bittner" 6) virtual modeling was RE: Jasta tents by Mark Miller 7) New update by "Matt Bittner" 8) RE: virtual modeling was RE: Jasta tents by "Jay M. Thompson" 9) stippling was Re: Aww, shucks, guys by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: virtual modeling was RE: Jasta tents by KarrArt@aol.com 11) ot alert! Quitting smoking by "Ken Zelnick" 12) Re: Winter OTF finally gets to the Great White North by "Bob Pearson" 13) RE: Jasta tents by "Gaston Graf" 14) Re: Jasta tents by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: Jasta tents by "Tom Solinski" 16) Re: ot alert! Quitting smoking by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: ot alert! Quitting smoking by "Dale Sebring" 18) OTF & C&CI by "Steven M.Perry" 19) RE: ot alert! Quitting smoking by "Gaston Graf" 20) Re: virtual modeling was RE: Jasta tents by Mark Miller 21) Re: Wheels of the RAF, Crossley Tender by David Fleming 22) Re: Fw: Scottish clans was RE: Spad season by David Fleming 23) Re: Jasta tents by Mark Miller 24) today, 83 years ago... by "Gaston Graf" 25) Re: New update by RadspadMike@netscape.net 26) Really off topic request by "Matt Bittner" 27) Re: virtual modeling was RE: Jasta tents by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Apr 2001 07:10:24 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Wheels of the RAF, Crossley Tender Message-ID: <20010421141024.24779.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Sat, 21 April 2001, "cameron rile" wrote: > > Folkl, > > The Australian Society of WWI Aero Historians > did an update to their site including an article > on modeling the Crossley Tender from last years > Journal; > > http://asww1ah.topcities.com/crossley.htm I notice that in the picture at the top of this page that the Crossley tender is towing an Albatros. I wonder if this is a captured plane or did the germans use it as well. It also looks like they rigged up some sort of flatbed to carry the wings - would make a nice diorama. did anyone locate plans for this vehicle? I like the looks of it BTW - nice article Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:39:11 -0400 From: "Tom Sollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Wheels of the RAF, Crossley Tender Message-ID: <200104211439.f3LEdD108773@mail.bcpl.net> Mark: I received a few scans from the "Wheels of the RAF" book which contain some basic 1/76 views of both the tender and car, as well as a couple of photos. If you'd like, I can forward them to you next week (they are on my computer a work). Tom ---------- >From: Mark Miller >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Wheels of the RAF, Crossley Tender >Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2001, 10:15 AM > >On Sat, 21 April 2001, "cameron rile" wrote: > >> >> Folkl, >> >> The Australian Society of WWI Aero Historians >> did an update to their site including an article >> on modeling the Crossley Tender from last years >> Journal; >> >> http://asww1ah.topcities.com/crossley.htm > >I notice that in the picture at the top of this page that the Crossley >tender is towing an Albatros. I wonder if this is a captured plane or did >the germans use it as well. It also looks like they rigged up some sort of >flatbed to carry the wings - would make a nice diorama. > >did anyone locate plans for this vehicle? >I like the looks of it > >BTW - nice article >Mark > > >Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! >http://www.shopping.altavista.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:53:33 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Jasta tents Message-ID: Yeehaa Mark, cloth is a real joy to try and pull off in a modeler;-) Most folks do it with cloth-generation plugins that also allow settings for stiffness, etc., so it can dynamically drape itself and move, but this is more for character modeling. I can do it OK in 3DS Max by starting with a simple mesh, adding some vertices in the middle of (in this case a tent face), moving some in and out so I have some very basic folds. I then use a special Max MeshSmooth modifier that subdivides the surface and also smooths and rounds it at the same time. If you look real carefully in the Meyer DVII I did there's some drape effects of the fuselage side covering right near the metal side panel where the cowling surfaces begin. The downside is that it requires a godawful number of polygons to get something useable, so if you do it, get ready to do a lot of compositing to get everything you want in scene. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Mark Miller Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Jasta tents Hi all I was wondering if any one has any information on the tents used to protect German AC. There are quite a few photos and I can probably get a general idea of their construction and shape with a little effort. But a set of plans would make it easier I want to try modeling this digitaly but it occurs to me that I don't think I have ever seen this structure modeled at all, It would make a wonderful diorama. Although I'm not sure what technique you would use to model it. I suppose you would have to build up the framework and find some kind of paper or cloth which could be draped over the structure and then wetted down to try simulate hung canvas. Anyone ever try something like this? Modeling this kind of thing digitaly should be interesting - I'm not sure how to do it yet, but I feel a need to try to simulate folded/hanging canvas. and the textures should be a lot of fun. Unfortunately, I don't think my software can simulate the difuse light that passes through canvas so interior images would be problematic. Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:45:12 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "Wwi@Wwi-Models. Org" Subject: Winter OTF finally gets to the Great White North Message-ID: I just got my edition of Over The Front up here in Canada. I bet Bob still hasn't got his ;) I also received Cross and Cockade. Alex Revell throws another hand-grenade into the Billy Bishop controversy with a document originally written by Willie Fry that he promised to edit and publish after the pilots death. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:58:03 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Winter OTF finally gets to the Great White North Message-ID: <200104211557.IAA20816@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Mine arrived yesterday as well. Personally a slow issue - especially with no Pearson (tm) artwork ;-) - but this issue does have a review of his CD, and a very nicely done ad for same. There is a neat article about the first Ilya Muromets shot down, with some okay artwork on the back (definitely not up to Pearson standards). Hopefully there'll be more French subjects next issue... ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: 21 Apr 2001 09:05:24 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: virtual modeling was RE: Jasta tents Message-ID: <20010421160524.15468.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Sat, 21 April 2001, "Jay M. Thompson" wrote: > Yeehaa Mark, cloth is a real joy to try and pull off in a modeler;-) Most folks do it with cloth-generation plugins that also allow settings for stiffness, etc., so it can dynamically drape itself and move, but this is more for character modeling.> > The downside is that it requires a godawful number of polygons to get something useable> Hi Jay Special cloth plugins? no such luck with my software - but I'm only looking for stills anyway. But I don't think I should actualy model all the wrinkles and folds - I probably could do this with Microstation - but it would be extremly painful. what I need to do is model the basic shapes and their overall sag - and then do the rest with bump maps. This has been my approach to all the canvas on the DVa and I think the best I can do. Where I would get in the most trouble is big folds which are to prominent to be effectivly simulated by a bump map - these would have to be modeled I think the 3-d modelers like 3DS have better ways of dealing with this sort of thing than CAD applications I was just wondering - is this thread OT? I have thought about the contrast between "Virtual" and "physical" modeling. They are similar in many ways, but there are obvious differences. I do think that CAD forces you to think and act more like a "modeler". After all it real purpose is engineering and design so it 's not to hard to understand why it is optimised for detail and accuracy. But none of this denies the fact that I should probably be using a 3-d modeler like 3DS, it's designed to do what I want. But I must confess I know very little about it. sorry - this went on a bit Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:52:22 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: New update Message-ID: <200104211649.JAA17863@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Sorry it took so long Mike, but I just updated Mike Muth's images area by creating a new Nieuport page and adding two new Nieuports to it. Very well done, Mike! It may be my only opinion, but I think all modelers here should have their very own Nieuport page with images of all the Nieuports they build. ;-) Matt Bittner WW1 Site Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:15:49 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: virtual modeling was RE: Jasta tents Message-ID: >But I don't think I should actualy model all the wrinkles and folds - I probably could do this with Microstation - but it >would be extremly painful. >what I need to do is model the basic shapes and their overall sag - and then do the rest with bump maps. This has been >my approach to all the canvas on the DVa and I think the best I can do. >Where I would get in the most trouble is big folds >which are to prominent to be effectivly simulated by a bump map - these would have to be modeled Yep that the problem with bump maps, there's no "there" there, so the bigger the feature, the less effective it is. For all you non-virtual modelers out there, bump maps are used to simulate "bump" effects- cloth, ribs, whatever, by essentially telling the system to lighten and darken areas so it looks like things are sticking out or in. The problem is since it's just essentially a painted effect (we would say there's no "geometry" there), it only works well from fairly straight-on angles. As the angle becomes more acute it's more obvious that you're looking at a flat surface with a painted simulation of bumpiness. As for whether it's OT or not, well folks, let us know;-) I've done lots of both types of modeling, and to me there's more in common than differences, just a lot less dust and messiness with digital modeling. But the same need for references and knowledge is there, as well as thinking through construction problems, and uncovering elegant and robust solutions to those construction problems. Some of the things Mark and I do might give you ideas on how to solve problems in your work. But if you consider it OT, Mark and I will take our discussions offline. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Mark Miller Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 11:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: virtual modeling was RE: Jasta tents On Sat, 21 April 2001, "Jay M. Thompson" wrote: > Yeehaa Mark, cloth is a real joy to try and pull off in a modeler;-) Most folks do it with cloth-generation plugins that also allow settings for stiffness, etc., so it can dynamically drape itself and move, but this is more for character modeling.> > The downside is that it requires a godawful number of polygons to get something useable> Hi Jay Special cloth plugins? no such luck with my software - but I'm only looking for stills anyway. But I don't think I should actualy model all the wrinkles and folds - I probably could do this with Microstation - but it would be extremly painful. what I need to do is model the basic shapes and their overall sag - and then do the rest with bump maps. This has been my approach to all the canvas on the DVa and I think the best I can do. Where I would get in the most trouble is big folds which are to prominent to be effectivly simulated by a bump map - these would have to be modeled I think the 3-d modelers like 3DS have better ways of dealing with this sort of thing than CAD applications I was just wondering - is this thread OT? I have thought about the contrast between "Virtual" and "physical" modeling. They are similar in many ways, but there are obvious differences. I do think that CAD forces you to think and act more like a "modeler". After all it real purpose is engineering and design so it 's not to hard to understand why it is optimised for detail and accuracy. But none of this denies the fact that I should probably be using a 3-d modeler like 3DS, it's designed to do what I want. But I must confess I know very little about it. sorry - this went on a bit Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:20:55 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: stippling was Re: Aww, shucks, guys Message-ID: <27.14516bab.28131b77@aol.com> In a message dated 4/21/01 4:54:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, albatros1212@altavista.com writes: << I remember seeing some model RR structures for sale once. They had this stippling effect which the clerk said was made with an airbrush - something to do with low air pressure (or was it high) I don't remember exactly but it was a nice effect, more useful for weathering than anything else, I was wondering if any of the airbrush experts know how this is done. Or did I just dream it >> Stippling can be done with very low air pressure. If I want a sandy or gravelly texture in a painting, I start playing with the pressure till it spits in a controllable fashion. I can vary the size and spacing of the droplets merely by goofing around in the "barely on" to 4psi range. The paint is usually mixed a little thinner also, but with these two variables- pressure and consistancy, the range of stippling effects is infinite! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:24:56 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: virtual modeling was RE: Jasta tents Message-ID: <15.130c753d.28131c68@aol.com> In a message dated 4/21/01 10:18:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vossie@mindspring.com writes: << As for whether it's OT or not, well folks, let us know;-) I've done lots of both types of modeling, and to me there's more in common than differences, just a lot less dust and messiness with digital modeling. >> I build models, but I've never been ashamed to ask for information when it comes to 2D paintings! I may not use the list to go into extravagant detail about the trials of doing lozenge in perspective and varying light.....but the hunger is still fed with the same food. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:35:04 -0500 From: "Ken Zelnick" To: Subject: ot alert! Quitting smoking Message-ID: <000701c0ca89$6956cb40$8d2ab4d0@tcac.net> Good luck Earnest. I've never smoked, but I had a brother in law who did up until his bypass operation. After he had been away from them for a while he told me that he never realized how unpleasant it was for a non-smoker to be around smokers. Sort of gave him a new perspective on the issue. kz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:41:44 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Winter OTF finally gets to the Great White North Message-ID: <200104210934.f3L9YlK55144@mail.rapidnet.net> Haha. . I got mine two days ago. ... And I got a message that Schiffer has sent me my copy of the British Markings book. ... the wait begins .. I stalk the wild mailman as he approaches my lair at 9:30 daily. ... or the parcel truck at 11am and/or 1pm. ..... Bob ---------- >From: "Ray Boorman" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Winter OTF finally gets to the Great White North >Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2001, 8:52 am > > I just got my edition of Over The Front up here in Canada. I bet Bob still > hasn't got his ;) > I also received Cross and Cockade. Alex Revell throws another hand-grenade > into the Billy Bishop controversy with a document originally written by > Willie Fry that he promised to edit and publish after the pilots death. > > > Ray > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:49:37 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Jasta tents Message-ID: Mark, there are at least two ways of modeling canvas - one is expensive and the other one is rather inexepensive. 1) use epoxy modeling clay such as Milliput, mix the components and roll it our very thin so you can lay it to the tents frame just like canvas. 2) alternatively you can use Cleenex or similar stuff. Soak it in a solution of water and the white glue used for wood (do you call it "gelatin"?). Then lay the wet cleenex to the frame and let it dry before painting it. Tip: read Sheperd Paines wonderful book "How to build Dioramas". ;o) happy modeling Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Mark > Miller > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 3:50 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Jasta tents > > > Hi all > I was wondering if any one has any information on the tents used > to protect German AC. There are quite a few photos and I can > probably get a general idea of their construction and shape with > a little effort. > > But a set of plans would make it easier > > I want to try modeling this digitaly > but it occurs to me that I don't think I have ever seen this > structure modeled at all, It would make a wonderful diorama. > Although I'm not sure what technique you would use to model it. I > suppose you would have to build up the framework and find some > kind of paper or cloth which could be draped over the structure > and then wetted down to try simulate hung canvas. > Anyone ever try something like this? > > Modeling this kind of thing digitaly should be interesting - I'm > not sure how to do it yet, but I feel a need to try to simulate > folded/hanging canvas. > and the textures should be a lot of fun. > > Unfortunately, I don't think my software can simulate the difuse > light that passes through canvas so interior images would be problematic. > > Mark > > > > Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! > http://www.shopping.altavista.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:56:53 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jasta tents Message-ID: <9f.14767217.281323e5@aol.com> In a message dated 4/21/01 10:52:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ggraf@vo.lu writes: << 2) alternatively you can use Cleenex or similar stuff. Soak it in a solution of water and the white glue used for wood (do you call it "gelatin"?). Then lay the wet cleenex to the frame and let it dry before painting it. >> I use medium weight silkspan airplane tissue- not quite as "dissolvable" as Kleenex or similar things. For strength, I slop on acrylic artist medium. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:08:31 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Jasta tents Message-ID: <004d01c0ca8e$13090960$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> > Hi all > I was wondering if any one has any information on the tents used to protect German AC. There are quite a few photos and I can probably get a general idea of their construction and shape with a little effort. Mark like you I was facinated by these objects too. I did a web search on tents, and there are folks who custom make 1:1 reproductions of tents of bygone eras. The folks I contacted weren't aware that tents were used as hangers, but if I did find some data they'd be happy to sew one up. In tent terminology these are "pavilion" tents. One or multiple high center poles with lower pols on the perimiter, chariterized by flat parallel sides, and round ends There two very usefull references: #1 is a little known book FOKKER V5/Dr I by Schuster and Engles features no less than eight great pictures from various angles. #2 isa single picture in "THE FIRST AIR WAR, A PICTORIAL HISTORY 1914 TO 1919" . Unfortunately no plans. Based on these two books my own guestimations are: opening 15 x 4 meters. Tall poles 6 meters. Highest side poles inline with the tall pole 3 meters. rear poles 2.5m at the 45 degee points and 2m across the closed back. I base this on the pictures in the #1 above book, with the opening shown relative to several DrIs in the foreground.. Also a little engineering logic, one would asssume that the High Command would buy tents big enough to accomodate most of the wingspans of the aircraft in service, and the majority of the single engine two seaters fall in under 14 meters. In #2 there is a picture showing a D-VII of Lt. Karl Friedrich stopped nose down up against one of these tents. The shot is taken from behind the tents looking out at the airfield. Judging that our 1900's forefathers were a little shorter than most of us, that puts most of the troops in the picture at 1.7 m tall. comparing them to the outer most shortest tent posts, makes those post in the area of 3 meters tall. The center posts appear to be 5 meters apart. there are a total of 6 poles on each side and three poles across the back. The center poles are 5 to 6 meters behind the opening. Again based on side shot with both Dr-I (5+m) and Alb D-V (7+m) parked in front. The same picture makes the distance from the center poles to the rear wall 8 to 10 meters. An interesting feature is the front flap is all or nothing. It is apparently pulled straight up and over the front half of the tent by two lines going through pullies on the highest center poles. I have yet to see a shot with the opening flap in other than full up or down. > I want to try modeling this digitaly I have a start on a three view based on the above in a program called modelcad. > but it occurs to me that I don't think I have ever seen this structure modeled at all, It would make a wonderful diorama. Although I'm not sure what technique you would use to model it. I suppose you would have to build up the framework and find some kind of paper or cloth which could be draped over the structure and then wetted down to try simulate hung canvas. That is where I was going using an flying model airplane covering called light span for the fabric. > Anyone ever try something like this? No yet HTH Tom S OKC If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:18:55 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: ot alert! Quitting smoking Message-ID: <001101c0ca8f$96973580$67101a3f@oemcomputer> 5 1/2 months+ for me and drinking also. Sandy's comment on being assaulted by a 'drunken bully' were quite accurate. Of course, since I quit smoking a few days before having to quit drinking, it made going to AA meetings rather unbearable! There is a reason why the insides of AA meeting halls are brown: they used to be white, but have been re-surfaced with more tar than the average highway! More smoke and all than a battlefield! And I would come home and I could SMELL it on myself - I had to shower! So I quit going, but it really hasn't made that much of a difference. I don't miss either vice, except that in a college town, the best way to meet people is in a bar. And bars are smoky. Next thing you know, coffee will become a problem, and I will then officially either become a Mormon, or declare my intentions to annex the Sudetenland! Watch your six, Gaston!! DB Hell, if I can do it, any pathetic, delusional a-hole can...... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:36:58 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: ot alert! Quitting smoking Message-ID: <000f01c0ca92$0d1b41e0$e9b58dd0@main> >Next thing you know, coffee will become a problem, and I will then officially either become a Mormon, or declare my intentions to annex the >Sudetenland! Watch your six, Gaston!! > > > DB > > Hell, if I can do it, any pathetic, delusional a-hole can...... Hey DB, I see the situation, whats the problem.;-) Your body will love it. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:29:20 -0400 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: OTF & C&CI Message-ID: <000b01c0ca99$5e195760$aff1aec7@default> Got both this week. Noticed in OTF that Bulient is credited with technical assistance in the article on Wadi Farah. Familiar names keep turning up in scholarly places. While filing my C&CI I pulled out an old issue (V.29 #3) which has a nice article on Crowsley tenders. No drawings but lots of photos in many configurations. Tom, give me a holler off list. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:40:12 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: ot alert! Quitting smoking Message-ID: Geeezzz..... so many problems for such a little man. I never started smoking so I never need to stop with it. As for drinking, I never had a problem to stop with it either because my body told me when enough is enough. I once made a Jack Daniels cure for six weeks, drinking a bottle a week, then the barrel was full for me and I didn't touch the stuff anymore for more than a year. I drunk the JD stuff simply because I love it, not because I felt I needed it. Same applies to beer - I usually drink one or two a day but sometimes I don't touch it for weeks. As for the smoker caves... no, I don't go to locations where such people are. I really don't need that stinking smell. Once there was a time where smoking was still allowed in office rooms and my wifes long hair was stinking like hell when she got home. Glad they finally prohibited the smoking at workplaces because smokers in most cases are very regardless to non smokers. They NEED laws, penalties, or maybe the Guillotine to stop that §%!T. At least here in this part of the world smokers rarely ask if non smokers feel bothered by their stench. The drop their tips or their empty cigarette boxes wherever they go, making the world look like a giantic ash tray or trash can... To sad to see how regardless such people are. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > 5 1/2 months+ for me and drinking also. Sandy's comment on being > assaulted > by a 'drunken bully' were quite accurate. Of course, since I > quit smoking a > few days before having to quit drinking, it made going to AA > meetings rather > unbearable! There is a reason why the insides of AA meeting halls are > brown: they used to be white, but have been re-surfaced with more tar than > the average highway! More smoke and all than a battlefield! And I would > come home and I could SMELL it on myself - I had to shower! So I quit > going, but it really hasn't made that much of a difference. I don't miss > either vice, except that in a college town, the best way to meet people is > in a bar. And bars are smoky. Next thing you know, coffee will become a > problem, and I will then officially either become a Mormon, or declare my > intentions to annex the Sudetenland! Watch your six, Gaston!! > > > DB > > Hell, if I can do it, any pathetic, delusional a-hole can...... > > ------------------------------ Date: 21 Apr 2001 13:01:13 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: virtual modeling was RE: Jasta tents Message-ID: <20010421200113.9831.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Sat, 21 April 2001, KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > I build models, but I've never been ashamed to ask for information when it > comes to 2D paintings! I may not use the list to go into extravagant detail > about the trials of doing lozenge in perspective and varying light.....but > the hunger is still fed with the same food. > RK Hah! Lozenge in perspective - good luck been then, tried that, and failed - or at least ran out of steam. This is one thing that the computer realy excels at You can work up the pattern in plan view then just map it in place. Sorry to gloat but this functionality always makes me smile Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:49:09 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Wheels of the RAF, Crossley Tender Message-ID: <3AE1E434.9938F43C@dial.pipex.com> Tom Sollers wrote: > Mark: > > I received a few scans from the "Wheels of the RAF" book which contain some > basic 1/76 views of both the tender and car, as well as a couple of photos. > If you'd like, I can forward them to you next week (they are on my computer > a work). > > Tom > ---------- > Tom, Just to clarify, the photos & drawings are from 'Modelling RAF Vehicles', not Wheels of the RAF. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:54:36 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fw: Scottish clans was RE: Spad season Message-ID: <3AE1E57C.CADE39B4@dial.pipex.com> Sandy Adam wrote: > > I hadn't really thought about it before, but somebody recently pointed out > to me that Scottish names (without Mac in them) are often interchangeable - > ie Malcolm George, Thomas Graham, Crawford Findlay, etc etc... > I said very interesting, but doesn't apply to me - until I thought again and > realised my Sunday name is Alexander Adam - quod erat demonstrandum! As Billy Connelly said - Help! We're being taken over by people with surnames for first names - Crawford, Findlay, Farquahar!!! Dave ------------------------------ Date: 21 Apr 2001 13:13:32 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jasta tents Message-ID: <20010421201332.21717.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Sat, 21 April 2001, "Tom Solinski" wrote: > I want to try modeling this digitaly > I have a start on a three view based on the above in a program called > modelcad. Tom Thanks for the detailed response. Modelcad - is that a 3d or 2D program? I was wondering if you might be persuaded to share that file :-) I could probably import it into my CAD program. Maybe we could make a swap Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:16:06 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: today, 83 years ago... Message-ID: ...Manfred von Richthofen fell to the bullet of an unknown man. Well, there was a discussion going on about the true red tone of his aircraft, which gave me the idea to setup a new set of pages with pictures of all aircraft the MvR flew. I started these pages today with a page about the Albatros C.IX and a page about the famous 425/17. Thanks to Bob Pearson I can tell you that the strange looking Albatros was a C.IX because I never saw that aircraft before nor does the book where I took the picture from mention any technical details about it. The page about 425/17 currently holds only a color photo of the relica on display at the German Museum in Munich. This replica seems to be painted in a very accurate shade of the red color. Also notice the color of the tires! The picture was taken before the book were printed in 1994. As I was at the German Musuem in 1998 they had the aircraft suspended from the ceiling so I could make a good picture of the Clerget. I will add that picture together with other pictures of MvRs aircraft that I have in various books as soon as my time permits. Happy modeling all! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de PS: A visitor of Jasta Boelcke today send me some pictures from a Quick Time movie of Carl Bolle flying his Fokker D.VII. I wonder if this was taken from an original WW1 film or from a Hollywood movie made later. I asked the man about it and wait now curiously for his answer. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:44:19 -0400 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New update Message-ID: <716C4061.61986C6E.3E0364A1@netscape.net> Matt wrote: > > It may be my only opinion, but I think all modelers here should have > their very own Nieuport page with images of all the Nieuports they > build. ;-) > Matt, does the wwi site really have that much room for so many blank pages? ;-)) However, I currently have a Blue Max Nie. 28 in progress. I doubt that it will warrant a gallery page. Mike K. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:12:28 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Really off topic request Message-ID: <200104212110.OAA16018@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> A friend is looking for some 1/72nd Fujimi A-4 Skyhawk slats, since those come separate. Anybody have an old kit with intact slats they're willing to part with? TIA! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:11:14 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: virtual modeling was RE: Jasta tents Message-ID: <31.13bfba80.28135f82@aol.com> In a message dated 4/21/01 1:03:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, albatros1212@altavista.com writes: << Hah! Lozenge in perspective - good luck been then, tried that, and failed - or at least ran out of steam. This is one thing that the computer realy excels at You can work up the pattern in plan view then just map it in place. Sorry to gloat but this functionality always makes me smile Mark >> Luckily, it's a D.VII, with user-friendly slab sides (and the angle is from slightly underneath, where the wings are also pretty much flat- not much untidy undercamber curve to worry about.....not much). I started with one particular polygon as a master reference point, then filled in another, and the now the other blocks are falling into place (and I'll admit to a little geometric fiddling with the computer......) But then again I may go nuts and fake it..............naw, I reckon I'll be a good boy and plot it all out! RK ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3303 **********************