WWI Digest 3300

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: Spad season
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  2) Spad doll was RE: Sao Paulo airport
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
  3) RE: Times of introspection (was: Spad season)
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  4) RE: Spad doll was RE: Sao Paulo airport
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  5) RE: Spad doll was RE: Sao Paulo airport
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
  6) RE: Introducing myself
	by "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
  7) Web Update
	by Allan Wright <aew>
  8) Re: Crossley Tender
	by "tsollers" <tsollers@bcpl.net>
  9) RE: Web Update
	by Volker Haeusler <haeusler@tm.net.my>
 10) Answering welcome messages
	by "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
 11) Wheels of the RAF was: Crossley Tender
	by Volker Haeusler <haeusler@tm.net.my>
 12) Re: Windsock qn
	by John_Impenna@hyperion.com
 13) WWI Cammo Patterns (Was: Answering welcome messages)
	by Allan Wright <aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
 14) Build before buying????
	by Andreikor@aol.com
 15) RE: Build before buying????
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
 16) Re: WOW!
	by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com
 17) Re: Wheels of the RAF was: Crossley Tender
	by David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
 18) Re: Paint Schemes for the Brave
	by "Mark Shannon" <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
 19) Re:  Karen's AEG
	by "Mark Shannon" <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
 20) Re: Web Update Karen's A.E.G.
	by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com
 21) Re: Wheels of the RAF was: Crossley Tender
	by "tsollers" <tsollers@bcpl.net>
 22) Re: Voss cowl colour - new facts
	by "Limon3" <Limon3@email.msn.com>
 23) Re: Doll's in Cockpits Re: Sao Paulo airport
	by "Limon3" <Limon3@email.msn.com>
 24) RE: Web Update - Karen's AEG
	by "Brian Nicklas" <Brian.Nicklas@nasm.si.edu>
 25) RE: Voss cowl colour - new facts
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
 26) Off Topic - beer
	by Matt Bittner <ipmsfortcrook@yahoo.com>
 27) Re: Doll's in Cockpits 
	by "Brian Nicklas" <Brian.Nicklas@nasm.si.edu>
 28) Re: Build before buying????
	by Al Superczynski <modeleral@up-link.net>
 29) Re: Karen's AEG
	by "John & Allison Cyganowski" <janah@worldnet.att.net>
 30) Re: Karen's AEG
	by "Limon3" <Limon3@email.msn.com>

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:39:03 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Spad season
Message-ID: <020501c0c98e$80633c20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Steve wrote:
> > Another good example of the Spad problem area is this picture:
> > http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/Spad7/les7_05.jpg
> >
> > D.
>
> Now if this shot doesn't knock your AMS out of remission....you're cured
;-)

Sometimes I detest that the WW1 modelling site has pictures so good.
D.


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:39:13 +0200
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Spad doll was RE: Sao Paulo airport
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A0390281E@VSEGN335>


Yes by golly D!, The same picture is in the Aircam book, one of my first
OT books, and what really got me going on Spads. I must have looked at
that picture a 100 times, and never realised what it was. I even drew a 
Spad interior based on that picture, and just ignored that, I thought
it was a mechanics rag, or dirt on the lens. I'm staggered!
/Neil


> And you'll start seeing dolls on spad cockpits... have you found that
> picture, Neil?
> D.
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:50:33 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Times of introspection (was: Spad season)
Message-ID: <023f01c0c990$1bcf06c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Jim!
> One time a guy asked me a question and I hadn't been paying any attention,
> so I said "Well, we'll see."  He said "That's a hell of an answer!" and
> walked off obviously mad.

BZZZZZZZZZT! Bad answer!
The correct answer to such a question is: "I was trying to understand
something you said before... -pause, do some scribblings in your notepad-
would you mind to elaborate?" and then stare at his eyes intensely, keeping
a serious, concentrate expression. It usually works well, without further
questions from the speaker... (the down side is that you have to hear all
the tirade once again, but that's fine, you don't have to pay attention).

About the oil tank... looks like brass to me. The Nieuport 28 had a similar
tank strapped inside. Ask Lee, he was there and he should know what was made
it from.
D.


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:51:09 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Spad doll was RE: Sao Paulo airport
Message-ID: <024001c0c990$34c87580$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Neil!
I'd love to see that drawing, if possible.
D.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
> Yes by golly D!, The same picture is in the Aircam book, one of my first
> OT books, and what really got me going on Spads. I must have looked at
> that picture a 100 times, and never realised what it was. I even drew a 
> Spad interior based on that picture, and just ignored that, I thought
> it was a mechanics rag, or dirt on the lens. I'm staggered!


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:03:44 +0200
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Spad doll was RE: Sao Paulo airport
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A0390281F@VSEGN335>

When I get a scanner I'll try and find it. It's not worth
the bother, it was the sort of thing we did in the 70's, there
was so little OT material around, so I did a Spad article for
the IPMS-Sweden mag, I just did pen drawings of various photos
in the aircam book, and a few profiles, by todays standards it
was unbelievably simple, and probably illegal because I just
traced the Aircam drawings, and changed the markings to some 
I found in a Profile. 
/Neil


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar]
> Sent: den 20 april 2001 13:52
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: RE: Spad doll was RE: Sao Paulo airport
> 
> 
> Neil!
> I'd love to see that drawing, if possible.
> D.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
> > Yes by golly D!, The same picture is in the Aircam book, 
> one of my first
> > OT books, and what really got me going on Spads. I must 
> have looked at
> > that picture a 100 times, and never realised what it was. I 
> even drew a 
> > Spad interior based on that picture, and just ignored that, 
> I thought
> > it was a mechanics rag, or dirt on the lens. I'm staggered!
> 

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:49:59 -0300
From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Introducing myself
Message-ID: <002501c0c998$6a1d7020$351ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Shane
> Weier
> Subject: RE: Introducing myself
>
>
> Marcio,
>
> Welcome from Down under - Brisbane, Australia. It's really
> nice to have
> another member who will understand that winter is approaching !

Hello, Shane!

Here it's still very hot, but I can't wait to have the cold weather, I love
it.

> I'm sure you'll enjoy your time here. Just be aware that the
> members of the
> list like to make jokes a lot, especially M. Bittner

I've already realized it :-)))))

>who will
> often jokingly
> proclaim that 1/72 is superior to 1/48

I think so too, even due to "space" reasons. Once I'll never have a room
only for my models I can't assemple bigger ones :-)))

>and that French
> aircraft are superior
> to all others as a modelling subject.

Well, nothing will make me leave my German models. Sorry, Matt! :-)))))

> You'll soon get used to him and laugh along with the rest of us ;-)

Good humour is a virtue.

Best regards from Brazil

Marcio Antonio Campos
Redator do GuiaSP
marcio.campos@starmedia.net <mailto:marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
http://www.guiasp.com.br
http://www.guiarj.com.br
http://www.nacidade.com.br


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:30:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi
Subject: Web Update
Message-ID: <200104201330.JAA13512@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

Hold onto your hats people!

Karen Rychlewski has sent me some photos of her award winning A.E.G. 
bomber. They're amazing! They're in her gallery, and a handy link is on
the news page.

Thanks Karen!
-Al

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:33:53 -0400
From: "tsollers" <tsollers@bcpl.net>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Crossley Tender
Message-ID: <200104201333.f3KDXq109700@mail.bcpl.net>

Marc:

Very nice work. I wonder if Reviresco based theirs on plans or eyeballed it.

I contacted Hendon and am waiting for a reply.

I the meantime I contacted Malcolm Asquith at
crossley.motors@btinternet.com. I got a very nice response along with a scan
of a drawing showing markings for a RAF vehicle. He suggested locating a
copy of "Wheels of the RAF" published by Patrick Stevens Ltd.

Has anyone seen this book?

Tom

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>From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc)
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
>Subject: RE: Crossley Tender
>Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 5:21 PM
>

> Tom wrote: "Does anyone know were I could find accurate plans for a Crossley
> Tender? Or detailed photos?"
>
> How about a 1/72 scale model?  Try Reviresco (the URL is available on the
> WW1 site) or look at one I made in the model galleries.
>
> Marc Flake
>
> 

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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:37:56 +0700
From: Volker Haeusler <haeusler@tm.net.my>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: RE: Web Update
Message-ID: <PIEDKPMPLLECGIPNNGNPEEAKCIAA.haeusler@tm.net.my>

Incredible stuff- I especially liked

http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Rychlewski/AEG/aeg4.jpg

Superb job, Karen. Well, the scale again...

Whatever: The modification of the hand painted fabric to that "weathered/non
weathered" look is the real show stopper. How did you do that, Karen?

Volker

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Allan
Wright
Sent: 20 April 2001 20:33
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Web Update


Hold onto your hats people!

Karen Rychlewski has sent me some photos of her award winning A.E.G.
bomber. They're amazing! They're in her gallery, and a handy link is on
the news page.

Thanks Karen!
-Al

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Southside
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:52:47 -0300
From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Answering welcome messages
Message-ID: <000701c0c9a1$390dd7a0$351ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com>

Hello, folks!

Let me answer all recent welcome messages in one :-)

Witold, glad to meet someone from Poland. In 1998 I visited my pen pal from
Kolobrzeg, we went to a typic Polish wedding in Boleslawiec, later we went
to Wroclaw and Krakow, which I loved.

Neil, Santos Dumont (by the way, the name of the father of the airplane) is
Rio de Janeiro domestic airport. Sao Paulo domestic airport is Congonhas
(and, as far as I know, these are some of the airports pilots fear most, due
to their location - Santos Dumont is "on the beach" and Congonhas is inside
the city). The international airports of the two cities are Guarulhos (SP)
and Tom Jobim (RJ).

D. from Rosario, guess what: I've already been there too! My dad is a
General Motors engineer and lived in Rosario for three months. We went there
to visit him and stayed for a weekend. I really have a question about Roland
CII: I always thought it was blue, but the instructions ask me to paint it
Matt beige green (Humbrol 90). Steven Perry has already told me something,
and I'd like more information. Yes, Sao Paulo is a beautiful city from the
air - only from the air. Living here is the closest thing to hell one can
have on Earth. Curitiba is much better.

And, for all of you who incite me to spend my money filling my house with
models, my credit card is ready! I'll just check some of the shops you've
recommended and ask for suggestions later.

Something that discourages me in some models are certain color schemes,
hmm... how can I describe them in English? That lot of small hexagons in
lots of different colors. The Hansa-Brandemburg W29 I saw in a shop here in
Sao Paulo had these hexagons. Propably I'll ask you for alternative markings
to avoid this. I know one doesn't have to be a Michelangelo to paint them,
but remember, I'm a newcomer (LOL).

With best regards from Brazil

Marcio Antonio Campos
Redator do GuiaSP
marcio.campos@starmedia.net <mailto:marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
http://www.guiasp.com.br
http://www.guiarj.com.br
http://www.nacidade.com.br



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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:41:47 +0700
From: Volker Haeusler <haeusler@tm.net.my>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Wheels of the RAF was: Crossley Tender
Message-ID: <PIEDKPMPLLECGIPNNGNPKEAKCIAA.haeusler@tm.net.my>


Just guessing: there was a series with the same title in Airfix magazine in
the 1970s (Ah, those were the days!) Given the publisher (Patrick Stevens),
it might well be a publication of that series in book format. Whatever, the
series was great.

Volker

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of
tsollers
Sent: 20 April 2001 20:39
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Crossley Tender


Marc:

Very nice work. I wonder if Reviresco based theirs on plans or eyeballed it.

I contacted Hendon and am waiting for a reply.

I the meantime I contacted Malcolm Asquith at
crossley.motors@btinternet.com. I got a very nice response along with a scan
of a drawing showing markings for a RAF vehicle. He suggested locating a
copy of "Wheels of the RAF" published by Patrick Stevens Ltd.

Has anyone seen this book?

Tom

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>From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc)
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
>Subject: RE: Crossley Tender
>Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 5:21 PM
>

> Tom wrote: "Does anyone know were I could find accurate plans for a
Crossley
> Tender? Or detailed photos?"
>
> How about a 1/72 scale model?  Try Reviresco (the URL is available on the
> WW1 site) or look at one I made in the model galleries.
>
> Marc Flake
>
>


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:46:49 -0400
From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Windsock qn
Message-ID: <OFC0ED8FD9.25D8DDA9-ON85256A34.004B2CE9@hyperion.com>


Hi Folks,
The Fokker D-VII Anthologies are the best source I have seen yet on one
particular aircraft. I echo what has been said about them previously. Also,
the other Specials are better than the individual Datafiles. The Gotha
Special is also very good. They may seem expensive at first, but once you
look at one you'll see they are worth every penny. I order my stuff from
Articles of War.com. They seem to be a little less expensive on most titles
from Albatros, especially on the out-of-print datafiles,  as well as
shipping. Their service has been great so far. No interest, just a
satisfied customer.
Here is the link:
http://articlesofwar.com/

Regards,
John


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:57:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: WWI Cammo Patterns (Was: Answering welcome messages)
Message-ID: <200104201357.JAA13907@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> Something that discourages me in some models are certain color schemes,
> hmm... how can I describe them in English? That lot of small hexagons in
> lots of different colors. The Hansa-Brandemburg W29 I saw in a shop here in
> Sao Paulo had these hexagons. Propably I'll ask you for alternative markings
> to avoid this. I know one doesn't have to be a Michelangelo to paint them,
> but remember, I'm a newcomer (LOL).

The irregular shaped ones are called Lozenge cammoflage and the regular 
ones called hexagon cammoflage. Both are available in common scales as
sheets of decals - there's no need to warm up by painting the ceeling of
your local church.

Welcome to the mad-house,
Allan (Chief Warden)

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:58:31 EDT
From: Andreikor@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Build before buying????
Message-ID: <4d.a728319.28119a87@aol.com>

Marcio wrote:
<but before buying new models I must assemble the ones
I've already got, right? >

Actually Marcio,
There is a mathematical formula for this, I forget it exactly, but I think 
one usually buys something like 20 models for each one we build. :)
Cheers,
Andrei


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:02:59 +0200
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Build before buying????
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A03902821@VSEGN335>

Yup, that's just about bang-on!
/Neil

 Actually Marcio,
> There is a mathematical formula for this, I forget it 
> exactly, but I think 
> one usually buys something like 20 models for each one we build. :)
> Cheers,
> Andrei
> 

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:07:43 EDT
From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: WOW!
Message-ID: <ee.1441b192.28119caf@aol.com>

In a message dated 20/04/01 03:05:01 GMT Daylight Time, 
ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes:

<< such a warm fuzzy feeling. >>

Did you remember to connect your incontinence pouch?
;) welcome home E

Peter L

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:17:28 +0100
From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Wheels of the RAF was: Crossley Tender
Message-ID: <3AE044F7.90D6381B@dial.pipex.com>

>
> From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of
> tsollers
> Sent: 20 April 2001 20:39
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: Crossley Tender
>
> Marc:
>
> Very nice work. I wonder if Reviresco based theirs on plans or eyeballed it.
>
> I contacted Hendon and am waiting for a reply.
>
> I the meantime I contacted Malcolm Asquith at
> crossley.motors@btinternet.com. I got a very nice response along with a scan
> of a drawing showing markings for a RAF vehicle. He suggested locating a
> copy of "Wheels of the RAF" published by Patrick Stevens Ltd.
>
> Has anyone seen this book?
>
>

My local library has a copy - I'm going tonight so I'll have a look. I don't
think it had any drawings in it. There was a book in the Airfix Magazine guides
series called Modelling RAF Vehicles, which had side and rear elevations of the
Crossley tender in 1/76th - I've got that one if you'd like a scan of the
drawing.

And the other book is a compilation of the Airfix magazine articles.

Dave





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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:25:59 -0500
From: "Mark Shannon" <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Paint Schemes for the Brave
Message-ID: <sae000b4.036@smtpgate.tnrcc.state.tx.us>

Marcio Antonio,

Welcome to the list!

For your Roland CII, many here can answer your questions better than I, but I believe the color would have been a blue, myself.  It may have been very turquoise, as well, but I think a lot of impressions of WWI aircraft colors are 'tinted' by the passage of time and its ravages on the authentic paint.  Blues are going to go green, for example.

An example of a known case is the Aviatik-Berg D.I. in Hungary.  This plane was painted in the hexagon-angle edged two color segment. The Datafile on the type describes these colors and an olive green and a tan.  Current research indicates they were two grays, with the paint having yellowed.

I think many of the blues described have taken on more of a green cast in the expert references because of quick restorations and lack of 'expertise' used in analyzing the paints.  Remember, too, that a lot of the museums allowed smoking around the exhibits for years - talk about a dingy yellow stain.

The second part of your questions, on the hexagon finishes... yes, these would be very daunting to paint.  Fortunately, many of these pre-printed and painted schemes are now available in decal form from Gryphon/Americal, Eagle Strike, Pegasus and others.  Included in the available types are such interesting camouflages as the multicolor (up to 9!) painted hexagons of Austria-Hungary, the 'Brumowski' pattern of rings and curlicues (swirls) and the preprinted drapery pattern Brumowski with its #6 shaped 'sworls', the 'Autumn leaf' form of sponge-mottled finish, and then the German Naval Hexagon and the variants of the 'Lozenge' preprinted fabric.  Please check the website for ordering and contact information.

If your heart is set on painting these camouflages to use the best mixes available, there are hints and tips to making templates for masking them.  No one here would think that you were weird or overly picky... we are too weird as a group to do that.

Welcome again, and happy modeling.

.Mark.


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:31:46 -0500
From: "Mark Shannon" <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re:  Karen's AEG
Message-ID: <sae00206.039@smtpgate.tnrcc.state.tx.us>

Karen,

Ohhhh, My,   G.......!

That is one very impressive model, and while I would hesitate to hurt any woman, I think you may be receiving the attentions of Diego and the finger chopper to let us have a chance to catch up!

.Mark.


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:31:52 EDT
From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Web Update Karen's A.E.G.
Message-ID: <9e.1346ae2a.2811a258@aol.com>

Wow, now that is something else Karen, beautiful. Now you've got me sitting 
here looking at this sheet of plastic and wondering just how the heck did 
this become what you show in your pictures? I will be asking you some 
questions on this one for sure as soon as my datafile arrives from Roll 
models. I love the look of the hex camo also and will be putting in my order 
at Americal for it next week. Thanks again for sharing.

                    Best regards,
                            Jon

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:33:25 -0400
From: "tsollers" <tsollers@bcpl.net>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Wheels of the RAF was: Crossley Tender
Message-ID: <200104201433.f3KEXP125891@mail.bcpl.net>

David:

That would be most excellent! 

If you'd like, I'll send you the scan Malcolm sent me.

TIA

Tom

----------
>From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
>Subject: Re: Wheels of the RAF was: Crossley Tender
>Date: Fri, Apr 20, 2001, 10:29 AM
>

>>
>> From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of
>> tsollers
>> Sent: 20 April 2001 20:39
>> To: Multiple recipients of list
>> Subject: Re: Crossley Tender
>>
>> Marc:
>>
>> Very nice work. I wonder if Reviresco based theirs on plans or eyeballed it.
>>
>> I contacted Hendon and am waiting for a reply.
>>
>> I the meantime I contacted Malcolm Asquith at
>> crossley.motors@btinternet.com. I got a very nice response along with a scan
>> of a drawing showing markings for a RAF vehicle. He suggested locating a
>> copy of "Wheels of the RAF" published by Patrick Stevens Ltd.
>>
>> Has anyone seen this book?
>>
>>
>
> My local library has a copy - I'm going tonight so I'll have a look. I don't
> think it had any drawings in it. There was a book in the Airfix Magazine
guides
> series called Modelling RAF Vehicles, which had side and rear elevations of
the
> Crossley tender in 1/76th - I've got that one if you'd like a scan of the
> drawing.
>
> And the other book is a compilation of the Airfix magazine articles.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> 

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:44:08 -0700
From: "Limon3" <Limon3@email.msn.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Voss cowl colour - new facts
Message-ID: <003901c0c9a8$5c377180$273b1c3f@i7e2z6>

Actually, the orthogrammatical Vegemite based film used by the production
company made the yellow cowl appear red...............
Gabe
----- Original Message -----
From: Witold Kozakiewicz <witk@bg.am.lodz.pl>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:12 AM
Subject: Voss cowl colour - new facts


> Hi,
> Yesterday I saw on discovery channel flying replica of Dr.I with nice
> face and moustaches. And the cowl was RED.
>
> And now looking for safe place to hide ;-))
> --
>            Witold Kozakiewicz


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:49:02 -0700
From: "Limon3" <Limon3@email.msn.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Doll's in Cockpits Re: Sao Paulo airport
Message-ID: <006601c0c9a9$0ac65540$273b1c3f@i7e2z6>

The Albie DF Special has one with a gorilla on the wing strut.
Gabe
----- Original Message -----
From: dfernet0 <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:37 AM
Subject: RE: Doll's in Cockpits Re: Sao Paulo airport


> The "richthofen's circus" special has a D.VII adorned with a toy bear.
> There's even a colour drawing of that one.
> D.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
> > I'll back Neil up here, Datafile 8, page 14 upper photo, starboard side.
> Now,
> > where was that chimp on an Albatros strut.........
> > Dave
>


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:46:56 -0400
From: "Brian Nicklas" <Brian.Nicklas@nasm.si.edu>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: RE: Web Update - Karen's AEG
Message-ID: <OFA893F43C.CE554FD3-ON85256A34.0051113E@si.edu>


Volker said: Incredible stuff- I especially liked

http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Rychlewski/AEG/aeg4.jpg

Superb job, Karen. Well, the scale again...

-----------------------------------------------

Nice job Karen, but then you've just caused 11 people to jump off the list!
(we're not worthy, we're not worthy!)
Brian


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:46:57 +0200
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Voss cowl colour - new facts
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A03902822@VSEGN335>

Yes, we need to know the exact shade of red though, was it 
gory red, or more dried blood tone. Everyone knows that 
vegemite film isn't stable in certain light conditions,
had it been marmite film however.....
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Limon3 [mailto:Limon3@email.msn.com]
> Sent: den 20 april 2001 16:46
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: Voss cowl colour - new facts
> 
> 
> Actually, the orthogrammatical Vegemite based film used by 
> the production
> company made the yellow cowl appear red...............
> Gabe
> 

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:49:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Bittner <ipmsfortcrook@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Off Topic - beer
Message-ID: <20010420144923.59028.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry for the off topic post.  Please delete if you're not a
"microbrewery" beer drinker.

Just a few months ago, a new brewery made its wares available in
NE - New Belgium Brewery.  I was able to taste Fat Tire for the
first time last week, and my wife found for me yesterday a six
pack.

This is truly mana from heaven.  I have had a lot of beers -
including while in Germany - and find that Fat Tire is so far
*the best*!!  New Belgium has about ten different beers, and I
plan on sampling them all. :-)  For more info see
http://www.newbelgium.com/frames.html.

Please keep any replies off line to avoid cluttering the list.

Unfortunately it's not available in all 50 states - and I'm not
sure if it will be.  But it looks like the states one or two away
from its headquarters - in Ft. Collins, CO - has this beer
available.  Yum!


Matt Bittner
looking forward to getting off work and opening another...

__________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:53:19 -0400
From: "Brian Nicklas" <Brian.Nicklas@nasm.si.edu>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Doll's in Cockpits 
Message-ID: <OF6CC956FF.15AE7A68-ON85256A34.00516F31@si.edu>


Looking at a lot of photos (it's my job), it seems that dolls, esp teddy
bears, were a VERY popular totem on WWI aircraft.  Have never run across
any explanation why this was - personal histories don't seem to tell why.
Bears, dolls, clowns all lashed to a strut and presumably left in place
while the aircraft was flown.
I imagine that increasing airspeeds put a halt to this practice.
Anyone have a lead on anything in print on this practice?
Brian



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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:56:17 -0500
From: Al Superczynski <modeleral@up-link.net>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Build before buying????
Message-ID: <efj0et8e9utrtalhar802cjsu891dutj3k@4ax.com>

On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:04:08 -0400 (EDT), Andrei wrote:

>There is a mathematical formula for this, I forget it exactly, but I think 
>one usually buys something like 20 models for each one we build.

     More like *200* in my case........    :(

Al
http://apollo.up-link.net/~modeleral

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:52:12 -0400
From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" <janah@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Karen's AEG
Message-ID: <002001c0c9a9$7cc05790$f138183f@cyrixp166>

I am threatened......;-)

Cyg.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Shannon <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Karen's AEG


> Karen,
>
> Ohhhh, My,   G.......!
>
> That is one very impressive model, and while I would hesitate to hurt any
woman, I think you may be receiving the attentions of Diego and the finger
chopper to let us have a chance to catch up!
>
> .Mark.
>
>


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:03:09 -0700
From: "Limon3" <Limon3@email.msn.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Karen's AEG
Message-ID: <000b01c0c9ab$0415c4e0$273b1c3f@i7e2z6>

No fair, no fair, no fair............That's just too
good................................
Diego, ¿donde estás con tu machete?
Gabe
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Shannon <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Karen's AEG


> Karen,
>
> Ohhhh, My,   G.......!
>
> That is one very impressive model, and while I would hesitate to hurt any
woman, I think you may be receiving the attentions of Diego and the finger
chopper to let us have a chance to catch up!
>
> .Mark.
>


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