WWI Digest 3290 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: How many of us? by "dfernet0" 2) Americals Fokker D.VII Question by "Ken Acosta" 3) Re: Tough assignment by "aa8." 4) Re: Tough assignment by "aa8." 5) Re: Americals Question & Newcomers by "Lance Krieg" 6) RE: New to the Group by "dfernet0" 7) Artillery Again: by Robert Horton 8) BMW logo by "Hans Trauner" 9) Crossley Tender by "tsollers" 10) Re: Neil's Ni.28 and Michael's Ni.17 by "Hans Trauner" 11) Re: No need to tell us again??? Huh? : RE: Tough assignment by "Hans Trauner" 12) Re: New to the Group by "Muth and Zulick" 13) Off Topic Decal Request by "Muth and Zulick" 14) Re: French Caudron G-3s and G-4s by "Lance Krieg" 15) RE: Neil's Ni.28 and Michael's Ni.17 by "Gaston Graf" 16) RE: BMW logo by "Gaston Graf" 17) RE: How many of us? by "Gaston Graf" 18) Welcome Greg Balzer! by Andreikor@aol.com 19) RE: New to the Group by "Gaston Graf" 20) Sorry Neil! by Andreikor@aol.com 21) RE: Let me intoduce myself... by "Gaston Graf" 22) Re: Eagle Strike Decals by "Jim Landon" 23) RE: a Q to our friends from Poland: Hindenburg's estate in Neudeck. by "Gaston Graf" 24) Re: Crossley Tender by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 25) Re: Crossley Tender by "tsollers" 26) Re: French Caudron G-3s and G-4s by Jan Vihonen 27) Re: big scale Fok. D.VIII RE: Talk about fiddly by "Jim Landon" 28) RE: Revell N28 RE: New images online by "Jim Landon" 29) 1:16 figures (was Let me intoduce myself...) by "Jim Landon" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:10:50 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: How many of us? Message-ID: <002901c0c82a$84a59680$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> We are Legions! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: tsollers To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: How many of us? > Does anyone have an idea of how many of us there are in this group? > > Tom > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:21:41 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Americals Fokker D.VII Question Message-ID: Listees- I'm looking for 1/48 markings for the blue and yellow Fokker D.VII flown by Riedel. Scanning my A/G catalog, I see a set of 1/28 decals that include these markings. However, none of the sheets in 1/48 specify this pilot. Does anyone know if A/G has a 1/48 sheet that include Riedels plane? TIA- KA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:30:12 +0200 From: "aa8." To: Subject: Re: Tough assignment Message-ID: <004301c0c81c$77f29540$75203c3e@tinypc> So the ostrich died for nothing? Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Vihonen" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Tough assignment > Bob wrote: > > > Some guy named Archie Duke started it ... . > > Yep, by killing an ostrich. > > Jan > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:34:38 +0200 From: "aa8." To: Subject: Re: Tough assignment Message-ID: <005101c0c81d$2c914aa0$75203c3e@tinypc> Neil RE:-The British industrialists and politicians. They made a pretty big hole in the working class as well!!! Andy Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford Neil" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: RE: Tough assignment > For heavens sake Steve, everyone knows the communists got it wrong, > you don't need to tell us again. But just for the sake of the argument > I don't think the communists had a monopoly on human misery and loss. > The British and German (capitalists) did a very good job of wiping out > a whole generation of middle-class youth. During WW1 the communists > probably saved a lot of young russian peasants from the WW1 misery. They > got Russia out of the war, whether that was a good thing or a bad thing > can be discussed, but it probably saved a lot of russian lives. > Also when you talk about the evil of communism, you should have a thought > about what Russia was like before the revolution, not a lot better, at > least not for ordinary peasants, the tsarist regime was pretty awful too. > I've already promised not to make any more mix-ups and oversimplifications > today so I'd better stop, because believe me this is a complicated subject > and 900 pages would hardly start to cover it. > /Neil > > > > > Stephen D. wrote: > > -snip-snip-snip- > > an exercise in human misery and loss which could benefit no one but a > > > communist." > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:41:57 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Americals Question & Newcomers Message-ID: First., welcome to the recent additions ( Greg, Tom, Lance, who else am I missing?) from Iowa in the US, we can always use more input and fresh ears for our same old opinions on matters of import, like cowls, vegemite, and Camel nuts. Someone asked the question "how many are we", which can be gleaned from the listproc "recipients" command - 240 or so last time I was curious. Ken, I am sure that the appropriate Jasta will contain Riedel's D.VII in 1/48.... let's see, blue and yellow is Jasta 19? I can check tonight and confirm, unless someone has an answer immediately to hand. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:55:11 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: New to the Group Message-ID: <006401c0c830$b74df9a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Welcome to the list Greg! I'm sure that you'll find more than you expected in this group. And great fun too! Regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Balzer Mr Gregory P > Good Morning All, > My name is Greg Balzer, and I am new to the mailing list as of yesterday. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:08:41 -0500 From: Robert Horton To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Artillery Again: Message-ID: <3ADDCA18.CC8D35A8@netexpress.net> Hi List type folks: Particularly to Jon T. from the Philly area...does anyone ( Jon) know anything about a museum or display or artillery pieces in the Wayne, Pennsylvania area...just west of Philadelphia. I called a small museum in Wayne, and they don't recognize a large artillery display in the area but suggest looking at the Valley Forge Military Academy as a possibility. Supposedly there are about 8 assorted pieces of OT period artillery in this display...going to be going thru this area in about a week and a half....any hints? TIA....Bob Horton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:10:58 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: BMW logo Message-ID: <002a01c0c832$ecdcfec0$4ca372d4@FRITZweb> Hello everybody, a few days there was a short threat concerning the BMW logo - prop or not a prop was the question. I contacted PR from BMW Headquartes in Munich and got the following reply: Pate fuer das BMW Emblem stand ein stilisierter Propeller, der an den Ursprung der Firma BMW als Flugzeug-Motorenhersteller erinnert. Das Emblem - ein Kreis mit je zwei weissen und blauen Feldern - tragen seit 1917 alle BMW Produkte. In English ( or better, my variant of the english language): The BMW logo is based on a stylized propeller which reminds to the beginning of BMW as a producer of aircraft engines. This logo - a circle with two white and twu blue fields - is applied on all BMW products since 1917 Greetings from BMW-country Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:16:40 -0400 From: "tsollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Crossley Tender Message-ID: <200104181816.f3IIGeP19537@mail.bcpl.net> After so many years of pursuing my interest in a bubble, its great to finally find kindred spirits! Here's a modeling question for the group‹ Does anyone know were I could find accurate plans for a Crossley Tender? Or detailed photos? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:42:44 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Neil's Ni.28 and Michael's Ni.17 Message-ID: <00bc01c0c837$5b686a60$4ca372d4@FRITZweb> So swastikas are forbidden in Germany even on scale models? Even for > non-german subjects? > Wow. > D. > PS. wich one is the new profile? Swastikas are not forbidden in Germany. But wait: There is a law which prohibit the presentation of ALL Nazi symbols to the puplic. Exception: If there is a historical or scientific to show them. So, historical photos etc. are allowed. There is an very old discussion, if a swastika in a model kit could be seen as a historical/scientific background. Usually model kits are seen as 'playing stuff for kids'. Revell tried to include swastikas in the early eighties, but the lost a trial. It is NOT prohibit to use swastikas on your models, as long you stay at home with them and do not show them on a contest f.e. The problem with other swastikas is that the 'un-informed puplic' cannot differentiate finnish swastikas, nazi swastikas, roman swastikas. I am doing reconstructions of celtic archeological finds and made 1/1 scale figures of celtic men and women. One of the saved original pieces of celtic woolen material shows swastikas. We could not use them only to avoid unnecessary dicussions. But I really apreciate this law. The idiots will never die out. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:46:55 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: No need to tell us again??? Huh? : RE: Tough assignment Message-ID: <00c801c0c837$f10d21a0$4ca372d4@FRITZweb> .. > AND . . . THEY ( the communists) EXPORTED NO MODELS OF WWI AEROPLANES TO ANY STORE NEAR > ME!!! > ~Steve di Giacomo Are you really sure? SMER was already in business when they where still ruled by the czech communist party. O.K., they used ex-british forms which where illegal copies of Aurora kits - but they where available. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:50:41 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: New to the Group Message-ID: <00be01c0c838$7a108280$0100005a@ptd.net> Greetings to all the new guys. Don't let Bittner suck you into the 1/72 scale is better argument....and don't let anyone such you into the Voss cowl color dispute. Other than that, you'll get a lot of good information and make some nice friends on this list. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:54:13 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Off Topic Decal Request Message-ID: <00d101c0c838$f843f1a0$0100005a@ptd.net> OK, maybe not totally off topic. I'm doing a 56 Sq. Hurricane and need the US U decals in 1/48 to finish it. It was flown by the brother of a WWI ace from 56 Sq. who flew "A" SE5a. If anyone has these decals (Aeromaster sheet on Hurricane Aces) please contact me off list: muzu@ptd.net Thanks Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:58:17 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: French Caudron G-3s and G-4s Message-ID: Alberto - The two Caudrons at the Musee de L'Air are both clear linen, although a light beige or tan shade. But check out their Voisin, which is definitely white: http://www.mae.org/ I would guess that the very lightest shades were perhaps bleached, and the metal/wood painted to match? I would think that bleaching would weaken the fabric, but perhaps it was not considered that much of a problem... All of the foregoing is idle speculation, without digging into references that are not to hand. I'll bet WWIAero has something to say on this subject... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:01:36 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Neil's Ni.28 and Michael's Ni.17 Message-ID: As a non-German I find this law completely overdone. To me the swastikas always belonged to the models like they was present on the original aircraft or whatever vehicle the model is representing. If the swastikas of the time between 1933-45 are not welcome, then all other swastikas, especially those of the WW1 aircraft such as Voss' Albatros should not be presented either. Why not prohibiting the presentation of a figure of - say a Germanic warrior wearing a shield with swastika and runes - as well? It are always the badly informed people who open their mouth to widely. Everybody who possesses a knowledge of the history of the world should know that swastikas was not a pure Nazi invention. The same way of thinking applies to computer games in Germany and my opinion about the German censorship of computer games is the same as about the usage of swastikas on models. They prohibit games they say that are to blood thirsty, like those wellknown 3D action shooters such as Quake or other, and as soon as there are such games found at the room of a youngster who ran amok (which happens in Germany like it happens in the US), people say the playing of these games had an influence on him, leading him to the deed. This is complete nonsense. I enjoy "fragging" of pixel humans as well, play Unreal Tournament sometimes for hours, but I never would kill my neighbour with a rocket launcher or a rifle gun. I would maybe use the chainsaw or a lawn mower, but never the rocket launcher - no! And those who build models with swastikas on it not necessarily sympathize with the Nazi scene either. The swastika thing is history in my eyes, and to history it belongs. Also if one takes a look at modern Neo-Nazi organizations, one can observe that they do not need swastikas to use as their sign, but use anything else that suits their need. Regarding such things I love the liberty of the US laws, where now the beautifully restored Me109E3 of Hans Joachim Marseille flies again in its original colors of the Battle of Britain - swastika included. This would never be possible in censored Germany. Well, just my opinion regarding swastikas. I sure would not take any German for an idiot if he/she would build a model as accurate as possible. Tally-Ho! ;o) Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Swastikas are not forbidden in Germany. But wait: There is a law which > prohibit the presentation of ALL Nazi symbols to the puplic. Exception: If > there is a historical or scientific to show them. So, historical > photos etc. > are allowed. There is an very old discussion, if a swastika in a model kit > could be seen as a historical/scientific background. Usually > model kits are > seen as 'playing stuff for kids'. Revell tried to include swastikas in the > early eighties, but the lost a trial. > > It is NOT prohibit to use swastikas on your models, as long you > stay at home > with them and do not show them on a contest f.e. > > The problem with other swastikas is that the 'un-informed puplic' cannot > differentiate finnish swastikas, nazi swastikas, roman swastikas. > I am doing > reconstructions of celtic archeological finds and made 1/1 scale > figures of > celtic men and women. One of the saved original pieces of celtic woolen > material shows swastikas. We could not use them only to avoid unnecessary > dicussions. > > But I really apreciate this law. The idiots will never die out. > > Hans > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:04:29 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: BMW logo Message-ID: If you only had asked me! I knew that, because even here in LuxyDuchy we read the "Autobild" sometimes ;o). cheers Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > The BMW logo is based on a stylized propeller which reminds to > the beginning > of BMW as a producer of aircraft engines. This logo - a circle with two > white and twu blue fields - is applied on all BMW products since 1917 > > Greetings from BMW-country > Hans > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:07:42 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: How many of us? Message-ID: Enough to feed my mailbox daily with something between 50 and 200 messages. I hope the unsub command will work when I'll go on vacation for 3 weeks or my ISP will cancel my account if my mailbox will overflow ;o). Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > Does anyone have an idea of how many of us there are in this group? > > Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:11:37 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Welcome Greg Balzer! Message-ID: Hey Greg... No need to be shy... welcome to a great bunch of lunatics! You can't find a better place to rejuvenate you first love! (P.S. if you're just trying to get away from the girls... sorry... got em here too... good thing is, they build terrific models! ;) Sincere thanks for twenty years of service to our country! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:16:19 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: New to the Group Message-ID: Greg, a heartily welcome from Luxembourg. I am the one who is on the list but never finishs a model because this damn list keeps me so busy that no time is left for real modeling. As for the other nutcases, just read the messages and have fun ;o). You sure will enjoy to have joined by The Big Family. happy modeling Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de PS: I share your fate since I'm a dad of two girls too ;o). But I'm lost cause even our bunny is female and the dog is an ally of the female front of the Grafs family. Only Willie the Guinea pig as a real man... > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Balzer > Mr Gregory P > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: New to the Group > > > Good Morning All, > My name is Greg Balzer, and I am new to the mailing list as of yesterday. > > My first inclination was to lurk around for awhile and get a feel for the > group, but figured I might as well say hello. > > Recently retired after a 20+ year career with the Marines (Infantry). > Currently a defense contractor in the Wash, DC area. As a kid > growing up my > older brother and I built enough kits to fill the Smithsonian. Most of > which ended up hors de combat due to the judicious placement of > firecrackers, or through conflagration. > > As with most, life had a way of imposing itself, which of course > meant that > tubes of Testors, Xacto blades and Microsol gave way to girls, > ...and girls, > ..and girls. Now approaching mid-40s, married (SWMBO)!! ;-) with two > kids (both girls), I figured it was time to re-discover my youth. > > My first choice was the Dragon DML Fokker Dr. 1. Although I purchased the > 5901, I plan on assembling MvR's tripe. > I know it sounds passe, but I have my reasons. NU: MvR's Albatross D.Va > SITNF: Fok D VII, then maybe a Spad. > > After such a lengthy sabbatical I consider myself a novice, and > have gained > a lot going through the archives, and lurking for the past day and half. > Look forward to getting to know everyone, sounds like a rather > eclectic and > exuberant group! > > Take Care, > Greg > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:16:59 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Sorry Neil! Message-ID: Hey Neil... you did, in fact, make a good point! Even 'they' didn't see Stalin coming. I was just being a bit sarcastic and didn't mean to be offensive. Sorry about that... please don't take it personally :) Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:20:16 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Let me intoduce myself... Message-ID: Welcome to the madhouse, Tom! Glad to have a figure expert on board! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Thank you for the welcome. > > I'm a graphic artist, pushing fifty, living in Maryland (USA) with a > wife, a four-year-old and a Cairn Terrier. I've been interested in WWI > modeling since the early sixties. I cut my teeth on the old Aroura, Revell > and Renwal kits. I also, draw and paint aircraft and enjoy classical music > and motion picture sound tracks. > I was an avid modeler until college and then life started > getting in the > way of my hobbies and building trailed off. I was primarily a 1/72 kind of > guy back then, using oil-based paints. I've always maintained my interest > though and have continued to collect kits (although I've switched to 1/48 > since it is a little easier on the eyes) and reference materials over the > years. I now have more kits than I care to mention awaiting > completion and a > rather extensive library. > After a more than 20 year hiatus, I'm hoping to start building again > soon. Joining this group is my first step at reentering the hobby. > My current interest is sculpting figures of historical personalities > which I hope to bring to market. Most are WWI aviators. In > 1/16th, 1/32 and > 1/48th scales. I'll try to post some images of the masters soon. > It will probably take a little while for me to get to know > you all, but > I'm looking forward to the experience and being a part of this group. > > Tom > > > ---------- > >From: Crawford Neil > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: RE: Eagle Strike Decals > >Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 8:11 AM > > > > > Welcome from Sweden Tom, can you tell us a bit more about yourself. > > There are one or two things we need to know, like: > > 1/72 or 1/48 > > acrylic or oil-based paint > > nylon rigging or stretched sprue/steel wire > > vegemite or marmite > > and finally what colour was the Voss cowling. > > > > Only joking, you're safer avoiding all the above questions, > > you'll enjoy yourself here, it's difficult to find a nicer > > bunch of lunatics on this planet. > > /Neil > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Tom Sollers [mailto:tsollers@bcpl.net] > >> Sent: den 18 april 2001 01:55 > >> To: Multiple recipients of list > >> Subject: Re: Eagle Strike Decals > >> > >> > >> John: > >> > >> Greetings all! I'm new to the list (as of this afternoon). > >> > >> Squadron carries Eagle Strike also, at what seems a good > >> price in their > >> April update - $5.96 for lozenge and $3.46 for rib tapes (for > >> both scales). > >> I typically receive shipments from Squadron in about a week, > >> since they > >> usually ship in 24 hrs. > >> > >> Hope this helps. > >> > >> How do they stack up as far as accuracy of color and pattern? > >> > >> Tom > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:25:50 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eagle Strike Decals Message-ID: Welcome aboard Tom. <> Jim Landon Denver CO USA >From: "Tom Sollers" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Eagle Strike Decals >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:55:04 -0400 (EDT) > >John: > >Greetings all! I'm new to the list (as of this afternoon). > >Squadron carries Eagle Strike also, at what seems a good price in their >April update - $5.96 for lozenge and $3.46 for rib tapes (for both scales). >I typically receive shipments from Squadron in about a week, since they >usually ship in 24 hrs. > >Hope this helps. > >How do they stack up as far as accuracy of color and pattern? > >Tom >---------- > >From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: Re: Eagle Strike Decals > >Date: Tue, Apr 17, 2001, 4:50 PM > > > > > > >Hi Folks, > >Anyone know who has these in stock?? > > > >Regards, > >John > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:35:31 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: a Q to our friends from Poland: Hindenburg's estate in Neudeck. Message-ID: Tomasz, Withold, many thanks for your replies. I will forward your messages to the visitor who asked the question. sincerely Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:43:38 EDT From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Crossley Tender Message-ID: I know there is a complete example on show at RAF Museum Hendon, so they might be worth an e-mail. And that the Matchbox Yesteryear version is 1/47 scale, which is close enough to the manly scale for me. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:51:02 -0400 From: "tsollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Crossley Tender Message-ID: <200104181951.f3IJp2P18064@mail.bcpl.net> Peter: Thanks! I fired off an e-mail Hendon. Tom ---------- >From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Crossley Tender >Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 3:47 PM > > I know there is a complete example on show at RAF Museum Hendon, so they > might be worth an e-mail. And that the Matchbox Yesteryear version is 1/47 > scale, which is close enough to the manly scale for me. > > cheers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:29:28 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Caudron G-3s and G-4s Message-ID: <3ADDF928.7470FBF8@helsinki.fi> Alberto, Not much of a help, I'm afraid but the G.3's (and later Caudron C.60 and C.59) planes that were bought to Finland 1920 where painted (sic) with a beige paint. The FS number that is given is 23448. I asked Mr. Stenman (one of the authors of the book Finnish Air Force Camouflage And Markings) about this and he confirmed that they definitively were painted and that the paint was also bought from the France. There's one G.3 almost completely restored in a small aviation museum in Central Finlad and some components of the others are still around, hence the paint identification. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:38:29 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: big scale Fok. D.VIII RE: Talk about fiddly Message-ID: <> That's exactly why I'm sticking to static display models, even if I should start building in LARGE scale. Jim "Mr. Tiny Planes" (puny little 1:16 scale) >From: "dfernet0" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: big scale Fok. D.VIII RE: Talk about fiddly >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:08:39 -0400 (EDT) > >Talking about wood... >Yesterday I was visiting a friend -a flying scale modeler- to see a >videotape on how his 1/8 scale Fokker D.VII crashed to smithereens last >weekend. Sad. But watching the face of my friend as he played the tape >again >and again was kind of fun. ;-) >Fortunately, shortly after the D.VII demise he started a new project: a >1/5,8 (the scale dictated by the available wheels) Fokker E.V and I gave >him >yesterday a lot of pictures taken by our own Lee Mensinger. He's very >impressed by the quality and the detail shots aimed for modellers that >asked >me to post this message with a big "THANKS" to Lee, and promised to take >pictures of his model during the build. He is doing the model as faithful >as >possible to the real plane, using enlarged plans from Windsock and such. He >haven't decide yet the covering of the wing or the material of the cowling. >It's a big model, so I guess that he'll do it good to last (hopefully he >won't crash it as soon as finished) >The fuselage structure is done with pine dowels representing the tubes, and >he'll be using aluminium struts for the undercarriage. More news on his >project soon! >D. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Crawford Neil >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:36 AM >Subject: RE: Talk about fiddly > > > > Agree with you there Diego, I never use those PE tubs > > , they're not worth the bother. Wood or stretched sprue > > is more fun. > > /Neil > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:43:48 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Revell N28 RE: New images online Message-ID: <> Love your sense of humor Diego. Jim, so late for work this morning that I even forgot myself! >From: "dfernet0" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: Revell N28 RE: New images online >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:16:41 -0400 (EDT) > >Matt, Jim >No worries, the subassemlies to this time are quite "twodimesional" at this >stage, so there's little risk of leaving them as a pressed daisy. >Anyway, as I awoke late this morning, I forgot to bring anything but >myself. >D. > > > > > > > NO! NO! You'll drop the lid and smash it! ;-) > > > > If he's not a clutz, he shouldn't have any worries. > > :-) > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:55:27 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: 1:16 figures (was Let me intoduce myself...) Message-ID: <> 1:16 WWI FIGURES!!!! 1:16 WWI FIGURES!!!! 1:16 WWI FIGURES!!!! That's the most exciting news I've heard lately! I need 1:16 scale figures to go with my 1:16 Salmson 2A2. Please check out my website at http://communities.msn.com/Salmson2A2 and then get back to me. Time is not a problem. You'll have your figures on the market well before I finish my Salmson. Jim Landon Denver >From: "tsollers" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Let me intoduce myself... >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:11:46 -0400 (EDT) > >Thank you for the welcome. > > I'm a graphic artist, pushing fifty, living in Maryland (USA) with a >wife, a four-year-old and a Cairn Terrier. I've been interested in WWI >modeling since the early sixties. I cut my teeth on the old Aroura, Revell >and Renwal kits. I also, draw and paint aircraft and enjoy classical music >and motion picture sound tracks. > I was an avid modeler until college and then life started getting in >the >way of my hobbies and building trailed off. I was primarily a 1/72 kind of >guy back then, using oil-based paints. I've always maintained my interest >though and have continued to collect kits (although I've switched to 1/48 >since it is a little easier on the eyes) and reference materials over the >years. I now have more kits than I care to mention awaiting completion and >a >rather extensive library. > After a more than 20 year hiatus, I'm hoping to start building again >soon. Joining this group is my first step at reentering the hobby. > My current interest is sculpting figures of historical personalities >which I hope to bring to market. Most are WWI aviators. In 1/16th, 1/32 and >1/48th scales. I'll try to post some images of the masters soon. > It will probably take a little while for me to get to know you all, >but >I'm looking forward to the experience and being a part of this group. > >Tom > > >---------- > >From: Crawford Neil > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: RE: Eagle Strike Decals > >Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 8:11 AM > > > > > Welcome from Sweden Tom, can you tell us a bit more about yourself. > > There are one or two things we need to know, like: > > 1/72 or 1/48 > > acrylic or oil-based paint > > nylon rigging or stretched sprue/steel wire > > vegemite or marmite > > and finally what colour was the Voss cowling. > > > > Only joking, you're safer avoiding all the above questions, > > you'll enjoy yourself here, it's difficult to find a nicer > > bunch of lunatics on this planet. > > /Neil > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Tom Sollers [mailto:tsollers@bcpl.net] > >> Sent: den 18 april 2001 01:55 > >> To: Multiple recipients of list > >> Subject: Re: Eagle Strike Decals > >> > >> > >> John: > >> > >> Greetings all! I'm new to the list (as of this afternoon). > >> > >> Squadron carries Eagle Strike also, at what seems a good > >> price in their > >> April update - $5.96 for lozenge and $3.46 for rib tapes (for > >> both scales). > >> I typically receive shipments from Squadron in about a week, > >> since they > >> usually ship in 24 hrs. > >> > >> Hope this helps. > >> > >> How do they stack up as far as accuracy of color and pattern? > >> > >> Tom > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3290 **********************