WWI Digest 3279

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
  2) Hasty Lumbago!
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
  3) Have a Saint and happy Easter !
	by "Alberto Casirati" <alberto.casirati@inwind.it>
  4) DH5 Markings
	by Andreikor@aol.com
  5) Re: Have a Saint and happy Easter !
	by "Limon3" <Limon3@email.msn.com>
  6) DH5 Presentation Markings
	by Andreikor@aol.com
  7) New images online
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  8) Windsock Subscription
	by Andreikor@aol.com
  9) Eagle Srike lozenge decals
	by "Otis Goodin" <otisgoodin@home.com>
 10) Re: Windsock March/April 2001 review
	by "Lee J. Mensinger" <lemen@x25.net>
 11) Re: Windsock March/April 2001 review
	by "TOM PLESHA" <APPMAN@worldnet.att.net>
 12) The errors in the book : "Knights of the Air - Canadian Pilots in the First World War" 
	by "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
 13) BE.2a
	by "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 14) Emhar MkIV photos
	by "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
 15) Re: BE.2a
	by "TOM PLESHA" <APPMAN@worldnet.att.net>
 16) Re: Jasta 11 Red
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
 17) Re: Emhar MkIV photos
	by "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
 18) A-Model katalog
	by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen)
 19) RE: Emhar MkIV photos
	by "Ray Boorman" <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
 20) Re: The errors in the book : "Knights of the Air - Canadian Pilots in the Fir...
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 21) Re: BE.2a
	by "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 22) Re: A-Model katalog
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 23) Re: Emhar MkIV photos
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 24) Re: Emhar MkIV photos
	by "TOM PLESHA" <APPMAN@worldnet.att.net>
 25) Bristol M1c
	by MAnde72343@aol.com
 26) Re: Bristol M1c
	by "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 27) Re: Emhar MkIV photos
	by "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 28) Re: Bristol M1c
	by MAnde72343@aol.com
 29) Re: Jasta 11 Red
	by KarrArt@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:28:38 -0500
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT
Message-ID: <002d01c0c500$2e7eaee0$2df91c3f@oemcomputer>



> DB wrote:
> At 11:53 PM 4/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
> what's the run-down on the bomb set?
>
> the bomb set consists of the following
> 8x   12.5kg  wm bombs and pe fins
> 6x    50kg       "     "         "    "    "
> 2x    100kg      "    "         "     "    "
>
> hope this helps!
> eric
>

Ahh, forget it!  After the hours I spent lathing a master and making a mold,
I'm doing my own for the G.Vb!  However, you know that I'm taking one of
them Gothas, so there's another 140 bucks you can count on!


Later Bud!


DB


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:29:55 -0500
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Hasty Lumbago!
Message-ID: <002e01c0c500$2f58e240$2df91c3f@oemcomputer>

Happy Easter Y'all!

    I'm outta here 'Till Monday!

        Be Happy Or Not!!


DB


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:13:15 +0200
From: "Alberto Casirati" <alberto.casirati@inwind.it>
To: "WW1 Modeling List" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Have a Saint and happy Easter !
Message-ID: <006901c0c500$1546b080$386e623e@s>

Just to wish a really Saint and happy Easter to all of you !

Alberto Casirati


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:58:32 EDT
From: Andreikor@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: DH5 Markings
Message-ID: <5f.13b1a6dd.2809dbb8@aol.com>

Steve wrote:
<If my failing eyesight doesn't deceive me, the libramodels decal says
"Christchurch Old Boys Club", and the identification letter "E" has the
letters "LSA" added to the central bar to make "Elsa">

I stand corrected, Steve in that the decals were, indeed, included, but J.M. 
Bruce's "De Havilland Aircraft Of WWI", pg. 51, states: "It went to No. 64 
Squadron, aquiring the status of a presentation aircraft and with it the 
fuselage inscription 'Christchurch Over Seas Club'." I can't make out the 
lettering in the photo myself, but I assume Bruce was looking at an original, 
or at least a clearer one.
Cheers,
Andrei


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:13:01 -0700
From: "Limon3" <Limon3@email.msn.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Have a Saint and happy Easter !
Message-ID: <001501c0c506$29e011c0$9cf3303f@i7e2z6>

Mille grazie, Alberto, 
Gabe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Alberto Casirati <alberto.casirati@inwind.it>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 9:41 AM
Subject: Have a Saint and happy Easter !


> Just to wish a really Saint and happy Easter to all of you !
> 
> Alberto Casirati
> 


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:13:34 EDT
From: Andreikor@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: DH5 Presentation Markings
Message-ID: <72.99dcbcc.2809df3e@aol.com>

Diego wrote:
<Oh! This must be too good to be true.... one of the main football clubs from 
my own city is named "Newell's Old Boys Club" (check http://www.nob.com.ar/) 
as it was named after an english schoolteacher own football team in the late 
XIX century.
The donations by english overseas were frequent here in war years so would 
it be possible that this club's members would have payed for this machine? I 
must investigate this, altough it's unlikely that the mob that runs the club 
nowadays would know anything about this.
D.>

D.,
See my comments to Steve... there is some question about this marking now! 
Until one of us sees a clear photo, though, I'm leaning toward Bruce's 
comments.
Cheers,
Andrei

Andrei Koribanics II
8 Falcon Place
Wayne, NJ 07470
Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378
email: andreikor@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:18:18 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: New images online
Message-ID: <200104141715.KAA26516@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Sorry it took so long, Neil, but I finally posted images of three of
Neil's excellent models on the site.

I still have one more modeler's images to move up - hopefully soon, but
time will tell...


Matt Bittner


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:20:53 EDT
From: Andreikor@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org, allen.besser@gte.net
Subject: Windsock Subscription
Message-ID: <d9.1322757f.2809e0f5@aol.com>

Hi Allen,
No website yet, believe it or not (hey Ray... wake up and smell the century! 
:)

Direct your inquiry to:
Albatros Productions Ltd
10 Long View
Berkhamsted, Herts
HP4 1BY
UK

Tel: 01442 875838
Fax: 01442 876018

Cheers,
Andrei


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:33:45 -0500
From: "Otis Goodin" <otisgoodin@home.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Eagle Srike lozenge decals
Message-ID: <000f01c0c511$70c44240$f0720141@wllmsn1.tn.home.com>

In case any of you haven't tried the new Eagle Strike lozenge decals I urge
you to give 'em a look. Several list members (Bob Laskodi, Steve Hustad and
yours truly) were involved in the development of these and are even given
credits in the instruction sheet. Eagle Strike is an offshoot of Aeromaster
so the quality is excellent. They even sell rib tapes separately so you
don't have to sorry about running out.

Otis Goodin



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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:26:00 -0500
From: "Lee J. Mensinger" <lemen@x25.net>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Windsock March/April 2001 review
Message-ID: <3AD8A448.244C2D6D@x25.net>

Look for an address for Wise Owl in California.  I think they advertise in
FSM or some other magazines.  I forget the address all the time.  I believe
they can help.
It is expensive as all get out.

If I accidently see it I will let you know.

Lee M.

Allen H Besser wrote:

>     Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, does ANYONE know if Windsock has a Website at which
> I can subscribe?  I keep hearing
> about Windsock and can't seem to find them on the net.
>     Yes, I know I'm spoiled by the computer age.  I know their address
> is in the List FAQs and there was a time not too long ago when I would
> have dropped them a letter immediatlely (or called them when I got up
> for work in the morning) as I had the correct postage Airmail rate
> stamps on hand.
>
> Al Besser (who is still catching up reading all the e-mails [950+] I
> received while on vacation 4/1-4/7)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Knut Erik Hagen <knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Date: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:58 PM
> Subject: Windsock March/April 2001 review
>
> >Hei,
> >
> >Got the latest WS in the mail today, here is a short summary:
> >
> >Some 1/72 and 1/48 models by Matt Bittner adore the inner cover
> >Spad SA.4 from Spin build by Rod Holland
> >Pfalz D.IIIa 1/48 from Eduard build by Steve Ruthland (6 pages)
> >Curtiss H-16 Flying boat photo documentation by Colin Owers
> >LFG Roland D.IV drawn and described by Colin Owers
> >Italian S.I.A biplane colours described by Alberto Casirati
> >Roden Gotha G.III review, cockpit photo and colour drawings.
> >Mercedes 180hp engine report reprint sold by Albatross Publ. (@10GBP).
> >
> >Think it is a "should buy" issue unless you are into just British a/c.
> >
> >Next issue is supposed to be a Nieuport 28 special,
> >also with Aeroclub BE2c build and an article on Pfalz D.VIII.
> >
> >
> >        Eders
> >      Knut Erik
> >
> >Who just returned from a visit to look at an 1/1 Sopwith Baby build,
> >with aircraft and Clerget engine in bits and pieces.
> >
> >
> >
> >


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:12:06 -0400
From: "TOM PLESHA" <APPMAN@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Windsock March/April 2001 review
Message-ID: <000a01c0c51f$2eccb6c0$8f414c0c@tom>

Hi-
Wise Owl Worldwide Publications
1926 s. Pacific Coast Highway
Suite 204
Redondo Beach, CA  90277-6145
 U.S.A

TEL: 310-944-5033
FAX: 310-944-9963
 HTH
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee J. Mensinger" <lemen@x25.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Windsock March/April 2001 review


> Look for an address for Wise Owl in California.  I think they advertise in
> FSM or some other magazines.  I forget the address all the time.  I
believe
> they can help.
> It is expensive as all get out.
>
> If I accidently see it I will let you know.
>
> Lee M.
>
> Allen H Besser wrote:
>
> >     Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, does ANYONE know if Windsock has a Website at which
> > I can subscribe?  I keep hearing
> > about Windsock and can't seem to find them on the net.
> >     Yes, I know I'm spoiled by the computer age.  I know their address
> > is in the List FAQs and there was a time not too long ago when I would
> > have dropped them a letter immediatlely (or called them when I got up
> > for work in the morning) as I had the correct postage Airmail rate
> > stamps on hand.
> >
> > Al Besser (who is still catching up reading all the e-mails [950+] I
> > received while on vacation 4/1-4/7)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Knut Erik Hagen <knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> > Date: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:58 PM
> > Subject: Windsock March/April 2001 review
> >
> > >Hei,
> > >
> > >Got the latest WS in the mail today, here is a short summary:
> > >
> > >Some 1/72 and 1/48 models by Matt Bittner adore the inner cover
> > >Spad SA.4 from Spin build by Rod Holland
> > >Pfalz D.IIIa 1/48 from Eduard build by Steve Ruthland (6 pages)
> > >Curtiss H-16 Flying boat photo documentation by Colin Owers
> > >LFG Roland D.IV drawn and described by Colin Owers
> > >Italian S.I.A biplane colours described by Alberto Casirati
> > >Roden Gotha G.III review, cockpit photo and colour drawings.
> > >Mercedes 180hp engine report reprint sold by Albatross Publ. (@10GBP).
> > >
> > >Think it is a "should buy" issue unless you are into just British a/c.
> > >
> > >Next issue is supposed to be a Nieuport 28 special,
> > >also with Aeroclub BE2c build and an article on Pfalz D.VIII.
> > >
> > >
> > >        Eders
> > >      Knut Erik
> > >
> > >Who just returned from a visit to look at an 1/1 Sopwith Baby build,
> > >with aircraft and Clerget engine in bits and pieces.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>


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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:20:22 +0200
From: "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: The errors in the book : "Knights of the Air - Canadian Pilots in the First World War" 
Message-ID: <NEEILCFEPCBGPDBHJFKHMEDFCLAA.ggraf@vo.lu>

Friends,

I finally read through the book mentionned in the subject line and found
some bad errors in it. I started writing a review that I copied and pasted
below:
------------------------------------------------------------
At the first glance, this very nice book contains a whole lot of information
about the Canadian fighter pilots of World War one. It is nicely illustrated
with many b/w pictures of the era, color photographs of WW1 aircraft
replicas as well as color paintings of WW1 combat scenes. Browsing through
this book is really a pleasure, but while the photographs generally are of a
very good quality, the paintings of the combat scenes could be better done.
Regarding my personal taste, I wish the illustrator had payed as much
attention to the background of his pictures as he did to the nicely depicted
aircraft.
Reading this book kept me fascinated for days, despite of the flaws and
errors it contains. It is obvious that the author had access to some very
good sources to research the events he is writing about but there are others
where he could have done better. For instance, the chapter about the fight
of Roy Brown and Manfred von Richthofen appears to be well researched while
other information is given rather sketchy. Henry Fokker DID NOT improve the
interruptor gear himself but it was his engineer Heinrich Lübbe who did it
for him after a patent of Franz Schneider already presented in 1912. (The
true story about the interruptor gear can be read at the WORKBENCH section
of Jasta Boelcke). Also Oswald Boelcke never was the leader of a
"Kampfeinsitzer Kommando" but of a "Gruppe", which was the precursor of the
later "Jagstaffeln". In fact, Boelcke was the first German aviator entrusted
with the command of a detached group of single seaters which was called
"Gruppe" at that early stage of developement of the German air force.
Another error that I found is the description of the famous Immelmann turn.
The author writes: "In attacks from behind, the Immelmann turn allowed for a
defensive escape by pulling up in a half-loop, followed by a half-roll and
dive to the aircraft". This information is wrong since the aerial manoeuver
known today as the Immelmann turn was invented much later as aircraft became
more performant than those of Immelmanns time in WW1. The true Immelmann
turn is today known as "the lazy eight". Immelmann dove down at an opponent,
gathering speed in his dive. Closing up he fired his gun, pulled up again
until his aircraft slowed down, applied full rudder to reverse direction and
dive down onto his opponent again.
Regarding the layout of the book I personally hate it to find so many
numbers cross referring to a hole lot of often unnecessary notes at the end
of the book. If one would really follow each number, one would constantly
turn the block of pages to the 12 pages full of endnotes. That's not the way
I read a book - it is in fact annoying and disturbes me a lot. Additional
notes should only be made if unavoidable.
Last but not least, the picture on page 168, described as Fokker Triplanes
of Richthofens Jagdgeschwader 1 at Cappy shows in fact Fokker Triplanes of
Jasta 19 with Arthur Rahns aircraft in the foreground.
These are the errors that I found regarding the authors descriptions of
German pilots and units. However, I cannot verify if his information given
about the Canadian pilots and their units are correct since I have no
sources available.
------------------------------------------------------------
My questions to you now are: Can anybody confirm that no loops or half-loops
was possible with the Fokker Einsitzer because its engine still was to weak
to perform such manoeuver? Does anybody know when excactly the half-loop
180° turn was invented and why it is today called the Immelmann turn if
Immelmann himself never flew it that way?

I've got to confess that I cannot recommend that book as a serious source of
information due to the bad errors included. The pictures however look great
but are certainly known from other sources as well. Does anybody aggree to
my opinion or am I wrong with it?

If you have read this book please let me know what you think about it.

happy easter egg painting - but please don't use Future for it ;o)

 Gaston Graf
(ggraf@vo.lu)
Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at:
http://www.jastaboelcke.de


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:09:49 -0400
From: "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: BE.2a
Message-ID: <001901c0c527$3e485ca0$3bf1aec7@default>

Does anyone have a set of 1/72 drawings for a BE.2a? I need the length of
the mainplane struts.

TIA
sp


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:47:48 -0400
From: "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Emhar MkIV photos
Message-ID: <FBBF4D4630135D115A660005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com>


Some photos of the Emhar MkIV finished weathered and looking like it 
had been dragged through a field of Bathurst Burrs backwards;

    http://members.nbci.com/artattack/scale.htm

Thanks to everyone who answered my queries on dry brushing. This was 
an extremely fun build. 




cam
AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/

( Go Pittsburgh Penguins and Go Edmonton Oilers! Fingers Xed it is 
the Stanely Cup Final!!! )


________________________________________
Get your email at 
http://www.prontomail.com 

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:26:45 -0400
From: "TOM PLESHA" <APPMAN@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: BE.2a
Message-ID: <000501c0c531$fe3799e0$39434c0c@tom>

Hi Steven-
If you don't obtain any scale drawings-
I referred to a profile that was scaled and came up with
1.84 meters if that helps.  The cabane appear to be .73 meters.
HTH
Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 5:13 PM
Subject: BE.2a


> Does anyone have a set of 1/72 drawings for a BE.2a? I need the length of
> the mainplane struts.
> 
> TIA
> sp
> 
> 


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Jasta 11 Red
Message-ID: <20010414222443.34949.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com>

The color of the cover of the Harleyford "Richthofen"
book was taken from a sample of fabric from 425/17.  



--- Jan Vihonen <jan.vihonen@helsinki.fi> wrote:
> Alex Imrie says in his book The Fokker Triplane, p.
> 81: "Red was not
> easily available colour and was not held in stores
> by units in the
> field, unlike black and white and certain camouflage
> colours which were
> required for finishing aircraft after repair or
> during national insignia
> changes. Its shortage was such that Richthofen often
> dispatched his
> Werkmeister, Josef Holzapfel, to search out sources
> of red (and other)
> paint in the rear areas. 
> 
> Then, after describing Holzapfels undertakings adds:
> "Since the red
> colour came from the variety of sources (captured
> Allied red dope was
> doubtless also used), the exact colour and shade
> obviously varied to
> quite a degree. Because the triplanes used a linseed
> oil protective
> varnish finish, ordinary oil paint, suitably
> thinned, could be used
> without causing any interaction with the cellulose
> dope."
> 
> So, concerning Jasta 11 planes, I would suppose this
> to be a classical
> Dicta Ira case. Excepting perhaps MvR's own plane of
> which there are
> samples existing, as has already been stated.
> 
> Jan


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:29:13 -0700
From: "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Emhar MkIV photos
Message-ID: <200104141422.f3EEMmc52904@mail.rapidnet.net>

Hey Cam, 

Nice work on all of them

Bob

----------
>From: "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
>Subject: Emhar MkIV photos
>Date: Sat, Apr 14, 2001, 2:50 pm
>

>
> Some photos of the Emhar MkIV finished weathered and looking like it
> had been dragged through a field of Bathurst Burrs backwards;
>
>     http://members.nbci.com/artattack/scale.htm
>
> Thanks to everyone who answered my queries on dry brushing. This was
> an extremely fun build.
>
>
>
>
> cam
> AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/
>
> ( Go Pittsburgh Penguins and Go Edmonton Oilers! Fingers Xed it is
> the Stanely Cup Final!!! )
>
>
> ________________________________________
> Get your email at
> http://www.prontomail.com
> 

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:40:36 +0200 (CEST)
From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen)
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: A-Model katalog
Message-ID: <200104142240.AAA49670@mail-relay.eunet.no>

Hei,

You may find the OT pages from A-Models catalogue on:
www.flankerman.fsnet.co.uk/amodel_p4.htm

          Eders
        Knut Erik


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:44:39 -0700
From: "Ray Boorman" <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Emhar MkIV photos
Message-ID: <NEBBJGMJOLHELAKFFMJFKEEDCJAA.Ray_Boorman@telus.net>

Hey Cam, I thought you were muttering about having problems dry brushing.
Could have fooled me. Very nice Ground Pounder.

Oh and Baboons Bum DR1 is that red as a baboons bum, Just making sure my
slang is right ;)

Ray
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of cameron
> rile
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:50 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Emhar MkIV photos
>
>
>
> Some photos of the Emhar MkIV finished weathered and looking like it
> had been dragged through a field of Bathurst Burrs backwards;
>
>     http://members.nbci.com/artattack/scale.htm
>
> Thanks to everyone who answered my queries on dry brushing. This was
> an extremely fun build.
>
>
>
>
> cam
> AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/
>
> ( Go Pittsburgh Penguins and Go Edmonton Oilers! Fingers Xed it is
> the Stanely Cup Final!!! )
>
>
> ________________________________________
> Get your email at
> http://www.prontomail.com
>


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:02:42 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: The errors in the book : "Knights of the Air - Canadian Pilots in the Fir...
Message-ID: <2d.a6091aa.280a3112@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/14/01 1:24:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ggraf@vo.lu=20
writes:

<< Heinrich L=FCbbe who did it
 for him after a patent of Franz Schneider already presented in 1912 >>

Actually, Schneider was a grumpy old fart, and his gear had nothing to do=20
with the Fokker company gear. One was a synchronizer and one was an=20
interupter (I can't remember which was which). The only thing in common was=20
that both were mechanical systems. His patent showed a totally non-practical=
=20
device with very few details. Schneider had somewhat of a reputation for=20
being a credit hog.
RK

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:57:12 -0400
From: "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: BE.2a
Message-ID: <002c01c0c53e$a07c0360$3bf1aec7@default>

Thanks Tom:
I make that 25.5 mm and 10.1 mm in 1/72.
sp
----- Original Message -----
From: "TOM PLESHA" <APPMAN@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: BE.2a


> Hi Steven-
> If you don't obtain any scale drawings-
> I referred to a profile that was scaled and came up with
> 1.84 meters if that helps.  The cabane appear to be .73 meters.
> HTH
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 5:13 PM
> Subject: BE.2a
>
>
> > Does anyone have a set of 1/72 drawings for a BE.2a? I need the length
of
> > the mainplane struts.
> >
> > TIA
> > sp
> >
> >
>


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:38:42 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: A-Model katalog
Message-ID: <200104150036.RAA25258@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:44:29 -0400 (EDT), Knut Erik Hagen wrote:

> You may find the OT pages from A-Models catalogue on:
> www.flankerman.fsnet.co.uk/amodel_p4.htm

If you're interested in seeing the whole 2001 catalog:
http://www.flankerman.fsnet.co.uk/amodel.htm.  A lot of awesome VVS
"thingies", especially the Yak-4 and "Pegasas".  I just received a
Yak-2 and am looking that over now.  Sweet!

Even though A-Model can be considered "short run" technology, their
research is spot on, and the parts you need are there.  I'm amazed at
the level of detail in the Yak-2.  (Psst...however, don't listen to
Chris B-R about the UTI-4 - he just received a bad kit. ;-)


Matt Bittner



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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:39:09 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Emhar MkIV photos
Message-ID: <200104150036.RAA26487@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:49:49 -0400 (EDT), cameron rile wrote:

> 
> Some photos of the Emhar MkIV finished weathered and looking like it 
> had been dragged through a field of Bathurst Burrs backwards;

Excellent job, Cam!!!!  And it's a ground pounder, too. :-)


Matt Bittner



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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:45:46 -0400
From: "TOM PLESHA" <APPMAN@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Emhar MkIV photos
Message-ID: <000901c0c545$69a35120$97744c0c@tom>

I'm not specifically into the ground weapons of war, but it really is neat.
All really look good.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Emhar MkIV photos


> On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:49:49 -0400 (EDT), cameron rile wrote:
>
> >
> > Some photos of the Emhar MkIV finished weathered and looking like it
> > had been dragged through a field of Bathurst Burrs backwards;
>
> Excellent job, Cam!!!!  And it's a ground pounder, too. :-)
>
>
> Matt Bittner
>
>
>


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:17:58 EDT
From: MAnde72343@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Bristol M1c
Message-ID: <13.143f62b2.280a50c6@aol.com>


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Although I've already done the plane twice, when John Roll showed up at the 
local club meeting with the Spin kit, I had to have it. It comes with a 
couple of colorful trainer decal options, but only one Macedonian service 
scheme, are there any other decals available (I had a Heck of a time 
scrounging decals for my Waldo kit, but that was a while back) FWIW, I got my 
Part Gotha PE set as well, so I'm back on the Gotha, and the Winsock says 
Roden is supposed to do the 5a&b eventually
Merrill 

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Although I've already done the plane twice, when John Roll showed up at the 
<BR>local club meeting with the Spin kit, I had to have it. It comes with a 
<BR>couple of colorful trainer decal options, but only one Macedonian service 
<BR>scheme, are there any other decals available (I had a Heck of a time 
<BR>scrounging decals for my Waldo kit, but that was a while back) FWIW, I got my 
<BR>Part Gotha PE set as well, so I'm back on the Gotha, and the Winsock says 
<BR>Roden is supposed to do the 5a&amp;b eventually
<BR>Merrill </FONT></HTML>

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:25:58 -0400
From: "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Bristol M1c
Message-ID: <000b01c0c54b$0765b920$71f9aec7@default>

Winsock says
> Roden is supposed to do the 5a&b eventually
> Merrill

Take it for a fact. I've been sanding on my Rareplanes vac which will end up
as the dragon sided Va. :-)
sp


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:30:04 -0400
From: "Steven M.Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Emhar MkIV photos
Message-ID: <001b01c0c54b$9979f6a0$71f9aec7@default>


>
> Some photos of the Emhar MkIV finished weathered and looking like it
> had been dragged through a field of Bathurst Burrs backwards;
>
>     http://members.nbci.com/artattack/scale.htm

Nice work Cam! Makes me want to do the Airfix one I still have. Treads
disintegrated. Anyone over in the UK find a Matador set for the Airfix tank,
give me a holler.
sp


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:30:45 EDT
From: MAnde72343@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Bristol M1c
Message-ID: <b7.d21c855.280a53c5@aol.com>


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Been saving my Rareplanes kit, (with the Aeroclub set) and now may never 
build it, I'm saddened by the thought.
Merrill 

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Been saving my Rareplanes kit, (with the Aeroclub set) and now may never 
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<BR>Merrill </FONT></HTML>

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:34:17 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Jasta 11 Red
Message-ID: <fd.4da2891.280a5499@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/14/01 12:33:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
jan.vihonen@helsinki.fi writes:

<< Excepting perhaps MvR's own plane of which there are
 samples existing, as has already been stated.
  >>


bits from Toelle's analysis of DSA's MvR triplane sample:

"The red colorant is vermillion(mercuric sulphide)....extended with 
barytes(barium sulphate). Black particulate, thought to be unburned soot from 
the fuel or lubricant is embedded in some specimens which results in a 
noticable variation of the red color. Both the black and baryte particles are 
large compared to the thickness of the coating. This produces a rough surface 
which further darkens the perceived color. The vermillion pigment is very 
finely ground and is bright red when viewed at a magnification which allows 
one to neglect the visual effect of the soot..............
The examined specimens do not appear to be damaged, faded, yellowed or 
otherwise distressed in any way which would abnormally affect the observed 
color, except for the embedded soot and for a shift in the refractive index 
of the paint vehicle due to age.........
underlying the red coating is a layer of slightly-yellowed cloudy clear 
dope.....
the general appearance is like rough pigskin- a strawberry jam color- with 
lumps of black coal......

The black material varied widely in apparant size...probably composed of 
undispersed material. This suggests that the black was not present in the 
original paint......

the colorant is not.......organic lithol red....alizarin red...iron 
oxide....red lead....chrome orange...chrome yellow...cadmium red

"the black particulate is only present along the bottom of the 
fuselage(samples he's seen..RK)"


There's a lot more in depth stuff in the article, from WW I Aero no167, but, 
at least real vermillion is named as the basic pigment, with some engine crud 
embedded in in it. Next time anyone's in an art suplly store, look at a tube 
of "vermillion"- I don't know if the stuff on the market these days is really 
mercury-based anymore, but the tubes I've seen really do look like the old 
stuff.
RK


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