WWI Digest 3274 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Retirement (was: A day of modelling) by RadspadMike@netscape.net 2) Alps printer on ebay by JVT7532@aol.com 3) Re: Brisfit Datafile Special Vol II by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 4) Re: Bullard's Nieuport... Re: Overengineering: by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 5) DH5 Markings by Andreikor@aol.com 6) Re: Bullard's Nieuport... Re: Overengineering: by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 7) Re: Aurora Albatross by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Alps printer on ebay by JVT7532@aol.com 9) Re: Bullard's Nieuport... Re: Overengineering: by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 10) Re: Sia 7b article in WS by "Alberto Casirati" 11) Re: Bullard's Nieuport... Re: Overengineering: by Volker Haeusler 12) RE: Sia 7b article in WS by Crawford Neil 13) RE: Nieuport IV M rear tank piping by Crawford Neil 14) Spyker-Trompenburg was:Bullards... was: Overengineering was:Pfalz DIII by Volker Haeusler 15) RE: LVG CVI after the war by Volker Haeusler 16) RE: LVG CVI after the war by Crawford Neil 17) Re: DH.4 INFO sent by who? by "Muth and Zulick" 18) Re: DH.4 INFO sent by who? by "Muth and Zulick" 19) Re: WWI digest 3273 by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 20) Bye for now by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 21) engines by "Sandy Adam" 22) Re: DH.4 INFO sent by who? by "Bob Pearson" 23) Caudron G.III and G.IV by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 24) Re: DH.4 INFO sent by who? by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 25) Re: DH.4 INFO sent by who? by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 26) Glencoe SPAD book by "Harris, Mack" 27) OtF in SD wasRe: DH.4 INFO sent by who? by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Junkers D1 by "Dale Beamish" 29) RE: engines by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:36:23 -0400 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Retirement (was: A day of modelling) Message-ID: <427B9BFB.2F66C900.3E0364A1@netscape.net> Thanks for the input, Glen. It's something to think about. Let's see, it would relieve some of the heat over the cost of kits I'm buying since I could say that review kits are free . . . of course, I would then actually have to build them - - a drastic change of my modeling habits, that. Then, I would have to say that it was essentially a "labor of love" since it didn't pay much, otherwise SWMBO would want to know how much more cash she had to play with each month since I wasn't paying for model kits and was also earning money. Gee, I dunno, I think I've already got them convinced that kits don't cost much more than $5 - $10, so I've got to put a sealed envelope to be opened after I die, in the safe deposit box with my will. Basically, it will say, "About the kits . . . I lied. Don't give them away!!!" What a tangled web we weave. Mike K. Earlier, I said: < > I'm not working anymore, I'm available 24 hours a day for anything they > > might want me to do.  Somehow, this retirement just isn't working out the way I thought it would.>> Glen wrote: > Mike, Tell them that you have just been hired as a reviewer for a major > internet mailing list.  So now you have to go to work at the modeling bench.   > Hey, you never know, it might work! __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:44:14 EDT From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Alps printer on ebay Message-ID: <80.9951b0d.2806707e@aol.com> I just noticed this on ebay tonight if anyone's interested. I have nothing to do with it other than bring it to the attention of the list. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:11:18 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: Brisfit Datafile Special Vol II Message-ID: <007201c0c2fe$47089380$7f01010a@jaring.my> Ken, you asked (2 days ago) "To anyone who has this volume- I've got volume 1 and it's pretty standard for a DF Special, that is to say, it's great. I plan on building (eventually) the Aeroclub kit as Park's plane. I've heard that volume 2 deals mainly with post-war Brisfits but that there are good cockpit detail photos. Before I include this book on my birthday wish list, does it contain enough worthwhile info if I'm NOT building a post-war bird? TIA- KA" Well, I have both volumes. Volume 2 concentrates on the post war usage (both with the RAF and foreign airforces). The most interesting part for me are the 9 photos and the text describing the US versions of the Brisfit. Nice collection of civil a/c photos as well, plus the 2 Jupiter engined aircraft (interesting conversion, using a Bulldog to supply the engine). Not many cockpit details (actually only one photo!). The most interesting OT part comes with three pages of sketches taken from Air Publications 866 covering the Brisfit Mk IV and showing lots of detail of specific airframe parts. On the whole, I was a little dissapointed from this title. Especially, I would have expected a scale drawing of the US versions, but that's not included. My advice: If you're not interested in 'tween the wars Brisfits or civil ones (I am), then save your money Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:09:50 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bullard's Nieuport... Re: Overengineering: Message-ID: <3AD51C7E.754872D4@mars.ark.com> I found a (heavily lossied) photo on the web. What did his SPAD have painted on it? If I can do the profile, that will go on the site. I've finally corrected my Russian Nie 10 profile (it got posted originally without the side number - doh!) and I've posted a Polish civilian Nieuport 24bis, plus a few more Nieuport 12's. Can anyone confirm that Spyker used to be the Trompenburg Automobile and Aircraft Company? It seems they have revived the name and have produced a supercar - but their logo looks suspiciously like the logo on the tail on the Nieuport 11 (which was just illegible enough to prevent me from doing a profile of it). Mike F. "Steven M.Perry" wrote: > > > To bring this back to OT - does anyone have a picture of E. Bullard's > > Nieuport that shows the whole dragon (bird)? I'd like to do a profile > > of it but the only picture I can find only shows the head and neck. > > > > Mike F. > > I just finished doing the Smer Spad VII as Bullard's machine. I built it a a > gift and seen alone, it's a nice enough model and from some angles even > downright Spadly. > > It could, with a lot of wearisome work be made accurate. A noble exercise to > be sure, but why bother on a 1/40 scale model. OOB it looks like it would be > more at home with some of Diego's Cook Up sketches than a shelf full of > scale models. No photos of this one, camera is O/S for a spell and the model > goes out tomorrow. Y'all ain't missin' nutin'. > > Mike, are you going to post that photo on your site? :-))) I've seen neither > photo nor profile of his Nieuport. > > sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:06:27 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: DH5 Markings Message-ID: <46.135316b4.280675b3@aol.com> Craig wrote: IIRC, the instructions in the Airmodel resin DH5 kit called for an inscription to read : "Old Boys Club" painted on the starboard side of one machine, but I believe this has recently been re-interpreted as "Over Seas Club". As far as I know, no such decal has ever been included in any kit. The problem with dry transfers is you're limited to specific fonts. These inscriptions were hand-lettered and, as such, would not look anything like any font I've ever seen. Cheers, Andrei Andrei Koribanics II 8 Falcon Place Wayne, NJ 07470 Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378 email: andreikor@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:49:49 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: Bullard's Nieuport... Re: Overengineering: Message-ID: <008401c0c303$b25f92a0$7f01010a@jaring.my> Mike, there is a (provisional) profile of Bullard's SPAD in WS 7/3. Red heart pierced by a dagger with a drop of blood flowing out. Around it (in French) the words "All blood that flows is red" - obviously reflecting Bullards thinking, as he met a lot of racial discrimination in his ealry years and tried to get to France as a stowaway at the age of 11, because his father had told him there was no such discrimination in this country... Based on Bullards description only, no photographic evidence. Bullard claimed the maschine was painted blue overall (the profile shows a blue cowl ring only), but Guttman (who wrote that piece) thinks his Nieuport at N 93 was painted blue. That's as far as I remember it, just had a quick look on this article yesterday evening. There was a thread on this a few days ago as well Not sure on the Spyker and Trompenburg connection, but there was definitely a Dutch Spyker-Trompenburg WW I fighter Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Bullard's Nieuport... Re: Overengineering: > I found a (heavily lossied) photo on the web. > What did his SPAD have painted on it? > If I can do the profile, that will go on the site. > > I've finally corrected my Russian Nie 10 profile (it got posted > originally without the side number - doh!) and I've posted a Polish > civilian Nieuport 24bis, plus a few more Nieuport 12's. > Can anyone confirm that Spyker used to be the Trompenburg Automobile > and Aircraft Company? It seems they have revived the name and have > produced a supercar - but their logo looks suspiciously like the logo > on the tail on the Nieuport 11 (which was just illegible enough to > prevent me from doing a profile of it). > > Mike F. > > "Steven M.Perry" wrote: > > > > > To bring this back to OT - does anyone have a picture of E. Bullard's > > > Nieuport that shows the whole dragon (bird)? I'd like to do a profile > > > of it but the only picture I can find only shows the head and neck. > > > > > > Mike F. > > > > I just finished doing the Smer Spad VII as Bullard's machine. I built it a a > > gift and seen alone, it's a nice enough model and from some angles even > > downright Spadly. > > > > It could, with a lot of wearisome work be made accurate. A noble exercise to > > be sure, but why bother on a 1/40 scale model. OOB it looks like it would be > > more at home with some of Diego's Cook Up sketches than a shelf full of > > scale models. No photos of this one, camera is O/S for a spell and the model > > goes out tomorrow. Y'all ain't missin' nutin'. > > > > Mike, are you going to post that photo on your site? :-))) I've seen neither > > photo nor profile of his Nieuport. > > > > sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:49:36 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Aurora Albatross Message-ID: <38.14cc7daa.28067fd0@aol.com> In a message dated 4/11/01 6:30:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << As i've read the kit is basically innacurate, as it has features of both D.III and D.V. To collect, seems fine, for building an accurate replica it should be a lot of work. I've never seen one "in the flesh" so I can't say by that my own experience, but I've read several Rimell's comments. D. >> It vaguely resembles an Albatros single seater. The SMER version can sometimes be picked up for cheap- and it's worth it for parts for scratchbuilding. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:15:44 EDT From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Alps printer on ebay Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228542388&r=0&t=0&show Tutorial=0&ed=987304950&indexURL=0&rd=1 I guess it would help if I included the address, it sure has a lot of stuff with it. Wish I had the money. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:02:19 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bullard's Nieuport... Re: Overengineering: Message-ID: <3AD544EB.F1AD30C2@mars.ark.com> The photo I have carries what looks vaguely like the N.93 bird (which would make sense though I still think it looks like a dragon). The aircraft appears to be the standard silver finish (cowling too), so it may not have been his, or it was before it got a repaint, or the silver finish may have just had a blue cast . Was the reference to the colour contemporary or was it based on memory? Mike F. Volker Häusler wrote: > > Mike, > > there is a (provisional) profile of Bullard's SPAD in WS 7/3. Red heart > pierced by a dagger with a drop of blood flowing out. Around it (in French) > the words "All blood that flows is red" - obviously reflecting Bullards > thinking, as he met a lot of racial discrimination in his ealry years and > tried to get to France as a stowaway at the age of 11, because his father > had told him there was no such discrimination in this country... > > Based on Bullards description only, no photographic evidence. Bullard > claimed the maschine was painted blue overall (the profile shows a blue cowl > ring only), but Guttman (who wrote that piece) thinks his Nieuport at N 93 > was painted blue. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:10:59 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Re: Sia 7b article in WS Message-ID: <002a01c0c319$d57b4c00$6f1d623e@s> Brent's comments made me think that in my previuos message on this topic I did not mention the fact that in the best contemporary pictures a very gloss finish of the engine metal panels is evident. I wonder whether natural or chemical treatment of plani alluminium panels could have given birth to such a regular, smooth and gloss finish, without any metallic sheen... Thanks for your interest, Brent ! Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:21:14 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bullard's Nieuport... Re: Overengineering: Message-ID: <000701c0c321$29575420$7f01010a@jaring.my> Based on memory. Bullard (IIRC, when interviewed by Guttman) claimed he had an aircraft painted blue overall, and he claimed it was the SPAD 7 (with the red heart). Guttman tought this improbable and concluded that his N 93 Nieuport was the blue a/c. All very vague, guesswork and (fading?) memory. Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Bullard's Nieuport... Re: Overengineering: > The photo I have carries what looks vaguely like the N.93 bird (which > would make sense though I still think it looks like a dragon). > The aircraft appears to be the standard silver finish (cowling too), > so it may not have been his, or it was before it got a repaint, or the > silver finish may have just had a blue cast . Was the reference to the > colour contemporary or was it based on memory? > > Mike F. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:50:17 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Sia 7b article in WS Message-ID: If it is shiny and no metallic sheen, then I agree with you, probably paint. The pics in Windsock looked matt, so could (possibly) have been matt-aluminium. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Alberto Casirati [mailto:alberto.casirati@inwind.it] > Sent: den 12 april 2001 08:40 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Sia 7b article in WS > > > Brent's comments made me think that in my previuos message on > this topic I > did not mention the fact that in the best contemporary > pictures a very gloss > finish of the engine metal panels is evident. > > I wonder whether natural or chemical treatment of plani > alluminium panels > could have given birth to such a regular, smooth and gloss > finish, without > any metallic sheen... > > Thanks for your interest, Brent ! > > Alberto Casirati > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:51:55 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'Alberto Casirati'" , Cc: Crawford Neil Subject: RE: Nieuport IV M rear tank piping Message-ID: If I'd been the NieIV designer (it wouldn't have flown), but apart from that I'd have put the handpump on the tank under the seat. So the pilot could just reach down and pump when necessary, that would explain why we can't see it. In fact taking another look with this theory in mind, there is a pipe on the rh. side which might be the actual pump handle, especially if the pump is mounted on the back of the tank, with a long handle going forward. I really wish I could go up there again and have another look. Maybe next year. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Alberto Casirati [mailto:alberto.casirati@inwind.it] > Sent: den 11 april 2001 23:18 > To: WW1 Modeling List > Cc: Neil Crawford > Subject: Re: Nieuport IV M rear tank piping > > > Dear Neil, > > it really MAY be it or at least what remains of it. Thanks. > > One question remains: how was the carburettor fed with no > pump to bring the > fuel to it ? > > Thanks again, > > Alberto > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 05:53:56 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Spyker-Trompenburg was:Bullards... was: Overengineering was:Pfalz DIII Message-ID: Hope I got that "was" thing right after reading Al´s explanation. Mike, you asked: > Can anyone confirm that Spyker used to be the Trompenburg Automobile > and Aircraft Company? It seems they have revived the name and have > produced a supercar - but their logo looks suspiciously like the logo > on the tail on the Nieuport 11 (which was just illegible enough to > prevent me from doing a profile of it). > > Mike F. > Seems confirmed. To quote from the "Complete Book of Fighters: "The N.V. Nederlandsche Automobiel- en Vliegtuigenfabriek Trompenburg, manufacturerer of the Spyker automobile, developed the Spyker-Trompenburg V 3 single seat fighting scout..." An aircraft that looked like the ugly cousin of the Pup, I might add. And the same company manufactured 5 Ni 11´s (serialled N 215 to N 219) in 1918 (plus 12 so poorly constructed that they were never flown - according to the FMP French a/c book) - so the mystery seems solved. We obviously needed a supercar for that... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 06:14:53 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: LVG CVI after the war Message-ID: Steve, you asked: "A contact has written to me about the advertising use of an LVG CVI after the war, at the Trade Show in Leipzig in 1922. He has a picture of the machine with the company logo and name painted on the side. Does anyone know anything about this (slightly) ot subject, or where I might look." snip "but these didn't help, though the latter did mention the C.VI but only to say that was the first aircraft the Junker Luftverkehr used - if my dictionary translation of the German text was right." Not so sure what you are actually looking for - but the LVG C V and C VI were one of the mainstays of the early German airlines (if they deserved that word). Used at least by Ad Astra (actually Switzerland), Deutsche Luftreederei and Danziger Luftreederei. The Luft Hansa also took over some of these. 2 aircraft (as W I) modified as floatplanes for "Baederdienst" (shuttling passengers to coastal resorts, mainly Ruegen in the Baltic). I don´t think Junkers Luftverkehr used the LVG C VI (also designated P I for Passagierflugzeug), this airline was mainly established to use Junkers aircraft (originally the F 13) both for commercial and promotional purposes. A superb book for the early years of German civil aviation is "Der deutsche Luftverkehr - Die Pionierjahre 1919 - 1925" by Wolfgang Wagner, a book in the "Die deutsche Luftfahrt" series of the Bernhard&Graefe Verlag, Koblenz (ISBN 3-7637-5274-9). Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:29:58 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: LVG CVI after the war Message-ID: Didn't Blue-rider do some decals for post-war LVG's, you might find something on their homepage, if it still exists. /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:02:48 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: DH.4 INFO sent by who? Message-ID: <002401c0c350$e02cb440$0100005a@ptd.net> That would have been me. Glad the stuff helped. Mike Muth...who refuses to stop using work envelopes for mail ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday,April 11,2001 7:10 PM Subject: DH.4 INFO sent by who? > OK, I'm sorry to ask this but someone sent me a packet of info last month on > the DH.4, DH.9-9a and I don't know who to thank! It was posted in PA so it's > someone close by and your return address made my heart skip a beat when I > read. I just want to say thanks for the help with the Marine Corps pictures. > > Best regards, > Jon > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:40:37 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: DH.4 INFO sent by who? Message-ID: <000401c0c356$28c0c660$0100005a@ptd.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muth and Zulick" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday,April 12,2001 9:05 AM Subject: Re: DH.4 INFO sent by who? > That would have been me. Glad the stuff helped. > Mike Muth...who refuses to stop using work envelopes for mail ;-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Wednesday,April 11,2001 7:10 PM > Subject: DH.4 INFO sent by who? > > > > OK, I'm sorry to ask this but someone sent me a packet of info last month > on > > the DH.4, DH.9-9a and I don't know who to thank! It was posted in PA so > it's > > someone close by and your return address made my heart skip a beat when I > > read. I just want to say thanks for the help with the Marine Corps > pictures. > > > > Best regards, > > Jon > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:46:30 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWI digest 3273 Message-ID: Tom S. writes>>I have put the Aurora kit next to an Edward kit, and the fuselage is at least a scale foot deeper.<<, which, if my calculator is to be believed, translates to 1/4" on the model!! If your eyes(and your level of AMS : ) allow you to notice this difference without a side by side comparison(assuming Eduard got it exactly right!!), I guess you might call that inaccurate....But for the rest of us mortals, my point was that once you have flattened the sides out, you have a basically accurate appearance. No need to junk the kit. All it needs is a little work. Save the $20+ on an Eduard if you have an old Aurora laying around!! Use it for one of those interesting schemes you want to try. Save the beautiful Eduard kit for the contest....It has amazed me over the years what some folks have done with the old Aurora kit!. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:39:00 +0100 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Bye for now Message-ID: Well I'm outta here. Tomorrow's a holiday, I'm off work all next week to prepare for our model show on the 21st and 22nd and I've decided to go home erly today because I feel like death warmed up. . .stomach flu is going through my office like a dose of salts. Thanks to all who helped on the Camel question. here's hoping I get it finished for te contest. Play nice, I'll be lurking on the digests. MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:20:01 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WWI Modelling List" Subject: engines Message-ID: <009101c0c36e$db0dafa0$03e8b094@sandyada> > I DO have a 450SLC sports coupe > (V-8), which is anything but a barge, unless your barges can do > 230km/hr! Good for you Dave, nice old car! I also used to keep old classics for weekend fun before kids - had a 1972 Jaguar XJ Coupe at one stage and a 1979 BMW 635CSi Alpina at another - now that did over 200km/hr - but could go round corners too!!!! > We M-B people consider that BMW stands for > "Bayerische Mist Wagen" - perhaps Volker will translate... ;-) Don't need translation - ich habe deutsche genug, danke - but Mist is a bit soft isn't it? - a bit like Durchfall - habst du deutsche genug? - Mind you, ideal soft word for M-B isn't it? - Mist Barge! Anyway - joking aside - and to get back OT - point I was originally touching was the joy of driving a car with a straight-six BMW powerplant - which could trace it's lineage directly back to the superb BMW IIIa engines in late-war Fokker DVII's. This reminds me of the first car my older brother bought way back in the sixties. It was a 1939 Wolseley with doors that opened the wrong way, and - wait for it - a real Wolseley Viper engine - exactly like the ones in SE5a's. Even then I thought the SE5a the best looking aeroplane ever - and used to gaze reverentially at the rusty old motor in this clapped out old banger, dreaming of its WWI siblings' aerial adventures! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:27:07 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DH.4 INFO sent by who? Message-ID: <200104120835.f3C8ZTc24000@mail.rapidnet.net> Mike Muth says ... > That would have been me. Glad the stuff helped. > Mike Muth...who refuses to stop using work envelopes for mail ;-) Scared the bejesus out of me to get a letter from a courthouse in PA ... after all Dave and I only spent an afternoon in the state, I didn't think we got into that much trouble .. Bob recalling it was a year ago today we arrived in Pensacola for the OTF seminar ... so who's up for San Diego in September? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:40:56 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "Wwi Modeling List (Posta elettronica)" Subject: Caudron G.III and G.IV Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E9014769@SERVER1> Does anyone know whether component codes or production numbers were painted over Caudron G.IIIs and/or G.IVs? If so, where were they painted ? Thanks in advance ! Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:55:22 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DH.4 INFO sent by who? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/12/2001 9:03:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, artzulick@ptd.net writes: << artzulick@ptd.net >> Thanks Mike, of course you know the return address made my hair stand on end, and of course I can now understand your signature! LOL. I was thinking maybe this came from a doctor. Anyway Many thanks for the help, Now as soon as I can afford to get these 1/5 scale plans of a DH.4 that I have sent to the Laser cutters, well it will be a great flyer I think. Of course it will cost about $325.00 but what the heck it has two wings. Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:56:20 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DH.4 INFO sent by who? Message-ID: <105.1bbf71d.28073834@aol.com> In a message dated 4/12/2001 9:03:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, artzulick@ptd.net writes: << artzulick@ptd.net >> Thanks Mike, greatly appreciated the scans. Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:00:11 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'World War I'" Subject: Glencoe SPAD book Message-ID: Anyone interested in the Glencoe SPAD book with decals? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=579183855 Mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:42:41 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: OtF in SD wasRe: DH.4 INFO sent by who? Message-ID: <9f.13f707fd.28074311@aol.com> In a message dated 4/12/01 9:43:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bpearson@rapidnet.net writes: << so who's up for San Diego in September? >> gonna try to make it! RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:15:46 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Junkers D1 Message-ID: <00ad01c0c37c$99cbb880$822bb8a1@darcy> Hi Dale sorry for the delay getting back to you I was called away with work. The Junkers was mailed Monday so you should see it early next week. Dale > > If no one else wants it I'll try to get it. I'm Stahltaube! > yiiiiipppeeee!!! > > D. > > > > Hey D, have you received any goodies in the snail mail yet? > > Dale > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:21:05 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: engines Message-ID: Funny stories about cars, folks! There are a lot of other assignements to the letters BMW, like there are other for other brands. Some examples are: BMW - Bei Mercedes Weggeworfen (thrown away at Mercedes) - Bastel Mal Wieder (tinker once again) - Bayrischer MistWagen (Bavarian dung car) FIAT - Fehler In Allen Teilen (defects in all parts) HONDA - Heute Ohne Nennenswerte Defekte Angekommen (arrived today without considerable failures) I donno if there is a similar funny assignement to MERCEDES - i just don't care about it. But there are humorless people who take it for very serious. Some more of such assignements maybe can be found here at http://www.autsch.de As for our MBs, I drive a '96 C-Class T-Model with a 2.5ltr 150hp Turbo-Diesel and I love that car for its performance, comfort and quality. Since we bought it new, we made now 130,000km with it and it still runs as smooth as it did the fist day. Genuine MB spare parts are cheap and the service at the garage is perfect. Before we changed to MB, we drove Hondas. The Hondas was very reliable, but very expensive in maintenance because Japanese parts are very expensive in Europe. So we decided to buy a good European car which had to offer a certain safety as well, hence we visited several dealers. At BMW we made very bad experiences with very arrogant people who didn't find us worth to sell us a car, maybe because we did not look rich enough - that's no joke but true for Luxembourg. If one goes to Arlon in nearby Belgium one can find a very good BMW garage, but at that time we did not know about it yet. We also was at Audi, where nobody found it worth to give us information about their cars so we went to MB and found what we was looking for - very nice people at a garage with a very good reputation who later proved that they got their reputatoin from the very good service they offer. We did not go to Volvo because we only have one dealer here in the whole country where one has to wait a long time to get an appointment for maintenance. That's to sad because the garage is very good and so are the cars. To Saab we did not go because we don't like the design. Last year we then bought one of these funny little A-Class elk-hunter cars. Like our C-Class, the little A is also red. It is "powered" by a tiny 1.4ltr engine with 88hp but that's absolutely sufficient for a second car. I love that little car which is really fun to drive. And it never topples - but I didn't meet an elk yet either. Our next car sure will be an MB again. It will be either a new C or E-Class. But until we will buy one some more years will pass by. Currently there are more important goals to achive than a car: a PPL and a finished house. Sorry for the ot story, but sometimes its just nice to talk about someting different than OT ;o) happy driving - whatever your favorite brand is Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Sandy > Adam > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 6:42 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: engines > > > > I DO have a 450SLC sports coupe > > (V-8), which is anything but a barge, unless your barges can do > > 230km/hr! > > Good for you Dave, nice old car! > I also used to keep old classics for weekend fun before kids - had a 1972 > Jaguar XJ Coupe at one stage and a 1979 BMW 635CSi Alpina at another - now > that did over 200km/hr - but could go round corners too!!!! > > > We M-B people consider that BMW stands for > > "Bayerische Mist Wagen" - perhaps Volker will translate... ;-) > > Don't need translation - ich habe deutsche genug, danke - but > Mist is a bit > soft isn't it? - a bit like Durchfall - habst du deutsche genug? > - Mind you, > ideal soft word for M-B isn't it? - Mist Barge! > > Anyway - joking aside - and to get back OT - point I was > originally touching > was the joy of driving a car with a straight-six BMW powerplant - which > could trace it's lineage directly back to the superb BMW IIIa engines in > late-war Fokker DVII's. > > This reminds me of the first car my older brother bought way back in the > sixties. It was a 1939 Wolseley with doors that opened the wrong > way, and - > wait for it - a real Wolseley Viper engine - exactly like the ones in > SE5a's. Even then I thought the SE5a the best looking aeroplane ever - and > used to gaze reverentially at the rusty old motor in this clapped out old > banger, dreaming of its WWI siblings' aerial adventures! > Sandy > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3274 **********************