WWI Digest 3248 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: CA repairs How I use Micro Balloons by "Michael Kendix" 2) Re: Spad XII by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Gaston-Misleading subject lines, was Re: lurk mode... by "Jim Landon" 4) Re: Gaston-Misleading subject lines, was Re: lurk mode... by Allan Wright 5) counter-rotative model engines WAS: long weekend's down in Argentina by "dfernet0" 6) Re: ARDPOL DH.9 by Todd Hayes 7) Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy by Andreikor@aol.com 8) Re: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy by Jan Vihonen 9) RE: Gaston-Misleading subject lines, was Re: lurk mode... by "Gaston Graf" 10) trust nothing wasRe: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy by KarrArt@aol.com 11) a Q to the real pilots by "Gaston Graf" 12) Re: A bit of help on the Hi Tech Roland DII?? by Michael and Sharon Alvarado 13) Beer (was: a Q to the real pilots) by Allan Wright 14) Re: Beer (was: a Q to the real pilots) by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 15) Medicinal drinking (was Re: a Q to the real pilots) by "Bob Pearson" 16) Albatros Engine by "Ken Acosta" 17) Re: Nieuport IV by "TOM PLESHA" 18) book comments by "TOM PLESHA" 19) Re: book comments by "Bob Pearson" 20) Re: book comments by "Lance Krieg" 21) Re: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 22) Re: book comments by KarrArt@aol.com 23) RE: Spad XII by "Matt Bittner" 24) RE: trust nothing wasRe: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy by Shane Weier 25) RE: a Q to the real pilots by "Jay M. Thompson" 26) Re: Nieuport IV by David Fleming 27) Re: trust nothing wasRe: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy by Shon Howell 28) Re: trust nothing wasRe: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy by KarrArt@aol.com 29) RE: trust nothing wasRe: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:43:03 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CA repairs How I use Micro Balloons Message-ID: >From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com I hope this helps, if you cannot find them local let me >know and I'll send you a couple 35MM film cans of the stuff. Many thanks. No, it's OK, I have an unused container of MB and some scenic cement. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:44:10 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spad XII Message-ID: <54.125a17b7.27fcb76a@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/01 10:05:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << True. However they are not perfect and they're far from definitive. Examples are the Albatros D.II drawings, wich are better on the original datafile than in the Albatros fighter Special (altough the newest version has a pair of details lacking in the first) Also, the Halberstadt Special has a wrong undercarriage in the drawings (Thanks RK!) and the FE8 drawings has all the views in different scales (thanks Len!)... Be careful... measure twice, scratchbuild once. D. >> This also happens to be the main glitch with that Gavia Fokker kit- the parts matched the Fokker Fighter Special.......but for some reason those drawings were nuts. An old Windsock had GREAT drawings- if Gavia would've used these, all would've been well! RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:23:59 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Gaston-Misleading subject lines, was Re: lurk mode... Message-ID: Gaston said: <> I have heard other people say this is what they do. Unfortunately my experience is that quite often the subject line is *NOT* what a particular message is about. I glance at every message, not relying on the subject line. It seems like we (me included) need to change the subject title whenever we go off on a tangent. I sometimes see people change the subject line and I have tried to imitate their method for this message. What is the official procedure? Jim >From: "Gaston Graf" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: lurk mode... >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:36:20 -0400 (EDT) > >Friends, > >you certainly noticed my abstention from the list in the past time. Reason >is that I am up to my ears with to many things, hence I read only the >messages with subject lines describing something interesting to me. Because >I am following the list in lurk mode, I do not read all the messages coming >in so I want to ask you to please address any questions either to me at my >email address or include my name already in the subject line so I know that >the message is for me. > >I stay available for everybody off course. > >btw: the listies interested into the Battle of the Frontiers may now read >the second chapter going about the time between 1871 and 1914, as the >Germans prepared the invasion of France. The text is not the final version >yet because some corrections in grammar must still be made, but I think >that >you'll be able to figure out what I am writing about ;o). > >happy reading > > Gaston Graf >(ggraf@vo.lu) >Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: >http://www.jastaboelcke.de > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:33:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Gaston-Misleading subject lines, was Re: lurk mode... Message-ID: <200104041833.OAA23070@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > It seems like we (me included) need to change the subject title whenever we > go off on a tangent. I sometimes see people change the subject line and I > have tried to imitate their method for this message. Official procedure is to list new subject with old subject in parenthesis: Subject: newsubject (was: Voss Cowl) Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:30:53 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: counter-rotative model engines WAS: long weekend's down in Argentina Message-ID: <00e001c0bd35$64b258e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Brent! As you may have imagined I spent many boring reunions at work musing about this... And still boggles the mind to imagine a small mechanism to achieve this, hidden inside the stubby Siemens-Schukert fuselage. Of course, as I'm modeling an Albatros with a stationary Mercedes engine it has saved me from such deliriums. For now. The device for counter rotation must be a simple gear system, but who would be capable to do that from scratch. It would need of a clockwork machinery inside. Maybe when I decide to do the Toko SS D.III I'll have to become friend of a clockmaker. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brent Theobald > "PS: Yesterday I had to accept the rules of life and I'll leave the Albatros > D.II propeller unable to spin." > > The hard part is getting the engine to counter-rotate :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:35:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ARDPOL DH.9 Message-ID: <20010404183536.52983.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Witold. Now if they would only do the DH.9 in the proper 1:48 scale! Aeroclub is planning one some time in the future. Todd --- Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > Todd Hayes napisał(a): > > > > Has anyone out there in listland heard of this > company > > from Eastern Europe before? Red Star Models of > > Pittsburg has it listed under their new kits > section. > > It's 1:72 unfortunately and resin. $36.00! > > www.redstarmodels.com > > Todd, > I have this kit. The best resin kit I ever had in my > hands. Some time > ago i wrote little review on the list. > ARDPOL is Polish manufacturer, they have released > some Polish ot planes > like PWS P-34 Wyzel. This is their first OT. And it > is great, no PE but > this kit doesn't need it. All inernal structure of > cockpit, very thin > trailing edges, delicate Scarf ring and guns. Decals > for two planes RAF > and Polish. > > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:55:16 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy Message-ID: <29.12cfcd76.27fcc814@aol.com> Hi all, Considering the recent discussion about the accuracy of GA drawings, I thought I'd throw this out: I was speaking recently with a master model maker (who shall remain nameless) who often uses the plans in Windsock to create his masters. He also routinely compares the plans with actual dimensions garnered from various sources and claims he has noticed discrepancies in said drawings quite often... even to the degree that he questions whether this is done intentionally to foil manufacturers. I'd hate to think so, as that would make the drawings virtually useless, but I wonder how many of us take the time and trouble to check these drawings' accuracy, as opposed to accepting them as is because of their source. Either there is alot of conflicting data around, or what has become accepted as the WWI modelers' Bible isn't always 100% accurate, either. Cheers, Andrei Andrei Koribanics II 8 Falcon Place Wayne, NJ 07470 Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378 email: andreikor@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:16:08 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy Message-ID: <3ACB72F8.A9ED822D@helsinki.fi> I have heard that some draughsmen purposely insert 'mines' or minor mistakes into their drawings in order to control their unauthorised use. Some draughtsman used to mark dash line denoting centerline of the aircraft with Morse code of his name. Jan > Considering the recent discussion about the accuracy of GA drawings, I > thought I'd throw this out: I was speaking recently with a master model maker > (who shall remain nameless) who often uses the plans in Windsock to create > his masters. He also routinely compares the plans with actual dimensions > garnered from various sources and claims he has noticed discrepancies in said > drawings quite often... even to the degree that he questions whether this is > done intentionally to foil manufacturers. I'd hate to think so, as that would > make the drawings virtually useless, but I wonder how many of us take the > time and trouble to check these drawings' accuracy, as opposed to accepting > them as is because of their source. Either there is alot of conflicting data > around, or what has become accepted as the WWI modelers' Bible isn't always > 100% accurate, either. > Cheers, > Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:32:24 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Gaston-Misleading subject lines, was Re: lurk mode... Message-ID: > I glance at every message, not relying on the subject > line. I usually do that as well but in the past days I really had no time even for that. Maybe I should install a filter to check messages with my name included in the message body to make sure I won't miss it, but even then some other things of possible interest will slip through the filter. cheers Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:41:14 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: trust nothing wasRe: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy Message-ID: <87.927eb65.27fcd2da@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/01 11:57:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Andreikor@aol.com writes: << but I wonder how many of us take the time and trouble to check these drawings' accuracy, as opposed to accepting them as is because of their source. >> Those Fokker D.II drawings have me particularly intrigued- it wasn't just a few minor errors. Aside from showing the wings as enlongated rectangles with ribs and tip sweepback, they had nothing in common with the real thing. I've learned to trust no drawing automatically....not even my own if I made them some time ago! Also- on a semi-unrelated note- I've also learned not to trust photocopies or computer printouts. I've never come a cross a single example done either way where the length and hight matched 100%x100%. There's always stretch somewhere- in the scanner, the printer, the Xerox machine, whether home, office or commercial store. The error is sometime not very great, but for building purposes, it's always enough to throw things into a royal chamber pot. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:44:12 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: a Q to the real pilots Message-ID: Friends, how did you feel after your first flying lessons? I noticed that I feel really happy but also I feel quite a bit exhausted when on the ground again. Last time I flew for about 75 min (turns, basic handling, two touch and go's etc) and by the end of the lesson my instructor said to me that I am growing tired - that guy really notices every little mistake :o). The same effect I noticed as I took my first car driving lesson and later as I drove locomtives for the first hours. I felt well, but mentally exhausted. After my last flying lesson I felt so exhausted that I really needed a cold beer. That was like a recovery drink for my brain. There's really no better medecine than beer ;o). happy landings Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:23:58 -0400 From: Michael and Sharon Alvarado To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: A bit of help on the Hi Tech Roland DII?? Message-ID: <3ACAA1DE.E509BC04@verizon.net> Diego, Saludos amigo. Yes the drawings are a great help. I'm really moving kind of slow right now mostly due to pressure from work - its budget time and that is the busiest ime of the work year for me. Life was so much easier when I was a mere test engineer. I have finally decided that it is most likely a solid floor board with access to the fuel tank as you said. My question as whether the floor was solid or like the Fokker Dr.I or a Sopwith with a floor board on either side of the aileron rocker shaft that the control column attaches to. I will be posting photos as I go along. The first one are in my camera and when I finish the roll of film and get it developed I'll scan them and send them to Allan. Alvie dfernet0 wrote: > Hi Alvie! > I'm glad that the Roland drawings are useful to you, but the credit must be > given to Matt Bittner since he was the one who originally gave me the > Wylam's drawings. I only "isolated" the frame structures from the other > stuff in the cramped artwork. I think that the drawings are accurate since > they look much like a contemporary set drawn by a french artist and that can > be seen at Jane's WW1 aircraft book and IIRC at Mike Fletcher's website. > IMHO, the floor on the Roland D.II must have been a wooden plank with a > cutout for access to the fuel tank, as can be seen in the Roland C.II > datafile pictures. Much of the D.II structure is similar to its two-seat > ancestor. Also on the datafile can be discerned the metal seat supports and > some steel tube transversal members, and I guess that that's the way MG were > mounted. Also useful for an "educated guess" are the drawings of the Pfalz > D.III interior and the machine guns mountings. Why? Pfalz did licensed work > of Roland aircraft before doing the D.III fighters, so much of the lessons > learned with Roland designs must have been put into the D.III design. > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Sharon Alvarado > > I am redoing the cockpit based > > on a lot of conjecture which is itself based on the Windsock Datafile and > > drawings supplied to me by Diego Fernetti. I believe the drawings are > based > > on Wylam drawings and so are rather suspect but they do provide a start. > > Still I don't know such basic things as did the cockpit have a full > cockpit > > floor or just foot runners. have added the interior framing from > Evergreen HO > > scale 2 X 2 plastic strip. I am using .020" thick sheet plastic sheet to > fill > > in the fuselage frame webs where indicated by Diego's drawings. > Apparently, > > looking at photographs and the drawings there are metal frame cross pieces > > stretching across the width of the fuselage interior one mounts on the > cockpit > > side of the instrument side panels at the top of the panels, the other is > > mounted on one side or the other of the next fuselage frame forward of the > > "instrument" panel frame. Steel chanels were mounted fore and aft > bridging > > the space between the bars. The machine guns were mounted to these > channels. > > I'm moving very slowly at this point hoping to find further cockpit > interior > > information before I procede much farther. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:55:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Beer (was: a Q to the real pilots) Message-ID: <200104041955.PAA23824@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > The same effect I noticed as I took my first car driving lesson and later as > I drove locomtives for the first hours. I felt well, but mentally exhausted. > After my last flying lesson I felt so exhausted that I really needed a cold > beer. That was like a recovery drink for my brain. There's really no better > medecine than beer ;o). Did you know Beer is the universal solvent? Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:02:48 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Beer (was: a Q to the real pilots) Message-ID: <8e.137577ef.27fcd7e8@aol.com> I know it dissolved my father's moral character pretty well . . . but I suppose so would any solvent overdone. In a message dated 4/4/1 3:54:46 PM, aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << Did you know Beer is the universal solvent? Allan >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:13:27 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Medicinal drinking (was Re: a Q to the real pilots) Message-ID: <200104041207.f34C7kc02006@mail.rapidnet.net> Nah .. best 'medicine' is a root beer float ... used to tell my friend's kids that was my medicine. Bob PS Jim, note the change in the subject line >. There's really no better > medecine than beer ;o). > > happy landings > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:34:15 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Cc: "KJA" Subject: Albatros Engine Message-ID: I've got the Albatros Fighters Datafile Special on order, but it hasn't arrived yet. Therefore, I'm requesting the collective wisdom of the List to answer the following: Which Alb single-seaters used the 160 HP Mercedes engine and which ones used the 180 HP? As always, I'm digesting, so please respond directly. TIA- KA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:48:44 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport IV Message-ID: <004101c0bd48$a431dc80$a8734c0c@tom> Great photo- thanks Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "dfernet0" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:25 PM Subject: RE: Nieuport IV > I found this! > http://www.mae.org/images/mae172.jpg > > Looks different, huh? > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Crawford Neil > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:13 PM > Subject: Nieuport IV > > > > I haven't heard anything from the museum about the NieIV fabric, but > > I was talking to a friend about it, and he made a couple of good > > points. When they flew it in 1962, they wouldn't have wanted 40-year > > old fabric on it, so it almost certainly got re-covered then. They may > > have tried to match the original colour though. > > He also told me that the NiIV in the Paris Air Museum was also > > quite dark, but much more brown. > > /Neil > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:52:28 -0400 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: book comments Message-ID: <004701c0bd49$29aade20$a8734c0c@tom> Hi All- I just ordered a book by its title, not having seen it. Any comments on: Eisernes Kreuz und Balken Kreuz/Markings of German Aircraft in WWI 1914-1918 I found it on the web. Thanks Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:34:36 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: book comments Message-ID: <200104041329.f34DTFc05770@mail.rapidnet.net> Good for its time, been superceded since Bob ---------- >From: "TOM PLESHA" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: book comments >Date: Wed, Apr 4, 2001, 1:53 pm > > Hi All- > I just ordered a book by its title, not having seen it. Any comments on: > Eisernes Kreuz und Balken Kreuz/Markings of German Aircraft in WWI 1914-1918 > I found it on the web. > Thanks > Tom > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:36:50 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: book comments Message-ID: Tom asks for: " Any comments on: Eisernes Kreuz und Balken Kreuz" This is Heinz Nowarra's seminal work on this subject, and though you will recognized the majority of the pictures, it is because many showed up here first. A little dated at this point, but an excellent book, with decent color plates and a lot of detailed information on the air service organization at various points during the war. A good purchase; I salute you! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:40:17 EDT From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy Message-ID: <89.4ba0a38.27fceec1@aol.com> I have also noticed that the 1/48 drawings are often underscale, usually a uniform 2%. I presume that somewhere in the chain is a photocopier with a 2% error. Datafiles are invaluable, but not infallible. All references should be double checked. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:42:51 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: book comments Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/01 1:51:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, APPMAN@worldnet.att.net writes: << Hi All- I just ordered a book by its title, not having seen it. Any comments on: Eisernes Kreuz und Balken Kreuz/Markings of German Aircraft in WWI 1914-1918 I found it on the web. Thanks Tom >> Nowarra's 1968 "sort of classic"....you have to be careful with it- alot of the information has been superceded, and the color artwork has to be particularly watched but it's worth the price of admission for the photos. It's a thin book but overall I'm glad I have it, and provided you didn't pay to much (personally that would be about $25 in my case)you'll enjoy it! RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:59:11 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: Spad XII Message-ID: <200104042156.OAA03682@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:08:09 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote: > True. However they are not perfect and they're far from definitive. Examples > are the Albatros D.II drawings, wich are better on the original datafile > than in the Albatros fighter Special (altough the newest version has a pair > of details lacking in the first) Also, the Halberstadt Special has a wrong > undercarriage in the drawings (Thanks RK!) and the FE8 drawings has all the > views in different scales (thanks Len!)... > Be careful... measure twice, scratchbuild once. And then there are the SPAD A.2/A.4 drawings. Totally and completly wrong in the Mini-DF! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:20:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: trust nothing wasRe: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748EB0@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> RK says: > I've never come a cross a single example > done either way > where the length and hight matched 100%x100%. There's always stretch > somewhere- in the scanner, the printer, the Xerox machine, > whether home, office or commercial store. The error is sometime not very > great, but for > building purposes, it's always enough to throw things into a > royal chamber pot. I'd change copier makers if I was you - or let go of the paper so that the copier can pull it through without stretching ;-) I've made hundreds of copies of drawings scaled up or down from plans. ON *every* one of them I mark (with a straightedge and compass) known lengths on all 4 edges. When the drawing comes out I check the length of all four lines (they should be shorter/longer than on the original but all the same length) and also the straightness of all lines (for barrel or pincushion distortion) The *worst* error I have ever seen is less than 0.5% and that was in an *old* and poorly maintained copier. Frankly, while I'll try to avoid it, if you can see a <1mm error on a model with a 200mm span, you're welcome to bag me over it. OTOH I concur absolutely about trusting nothing. Many - probably *most* - drawings of WW1 aircraft are done without the benefit of a real aircraft to measure, simply by starting with known dimensions like wing span (from manufacturer and military specs), and known shapes - like engines, guns etc. The drawing is then prepared using proportions derived from photos and details added by the "just left of the second rib a tad" method - not guaranteed to place anything *precisely*. (Which is not to say that crappy drawings of aircraft with available originals can't be found !) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:33:32 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: a Q to the real pilots Message-ID: That's because you're on the early part of the learning curve, Gaston. You're viciously concentrating, because that's what you have to do to stay ahead of the airplane. And your instructor was dead right, you're going to tire quickly, and when you do, you'll move to being behind what's going on. As you progress, it becomes more natural, you learn and understand more, and you end up thinking less about what you're doing and more about what you're going to be doing 30 secs, 2 minutes, 5 minutes from now. In other words, you'll be far more relaxed. I recommend as much pattern work as possible. That's where you'll be using all of your skills in a time-compressed ballet. When I go out and practice (and I still do regularly, as I still consider myself a "young'un" at 150 hours), I'll do ten, twelve touch and goes, and I'll cycle through short field, soft field, normal landings, and then I'll start pulling the power at various points in the downwind (whoops, lost your engine) and seeing how well I can put it down. When your hands and eyes are taking care of the task at hand while your mind is already three steps ahead, you'll suddenly realize you're becoming a pilot. Also, go practice where it's busy. My airport is totally unknown outside the area (Tulsa) but consistently ranks in the top twenty five airports in the US in the number of operations every year, as we have three large flight schools plus 3 smaller teaching FBOs plus a gillion other private aircraft. It's pretty typical for me to hear "21 Romeo, number 6, contact tower 120.3 when number one". When I leave Riverside Class D I'm in Tulsa Class C. There's planes everywhere, controllers talk faster than is really possible. If you can stay ahead of the curve there, there's no airspace that will cause you concern. Jay Cessna 172H N3921R -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Gaston Graf Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: a Q to the real pilots Friends, how did you feel after your first flying lessons? I noticed that I feel really happy but also I feel quite a bit exhausted when on the ground again. Last time I flew for about 75 min (turns, basic handling, two touch and go's etc) and by the end of the lesson my instructor said to me that I am growing tired - that guy really notices every little mistake :o). The same effect I noticed as I took my first car driving lesson and later as I drove locomtives for the first hours. I felt well, but mentally exhausted. After my last flying lesson I felt so exhausted that I really needed a cold beer. That was like a recovery drink for my brain. There's really no better medecine than beer ;o). happy landings Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:09:57 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport IV Message-ID: <3ACB9BB5.287DFF50@dial.pipex.com> Weren't early French CDLs described as 'biscuit' due to rubberised fabric ? David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:34:27 -0700 From: Shon Howell To: Subject: Re: trust nothing wasRe: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy Message-ID: on 4/4/01 4:25 PM, Shane Weier at sdw@qld.mim.com.au wrote: > > OTOH I concur absolutely about trusting nothing. Many - probably *most* - > drawings of WW1 aircraft are done without the benefit of a real aircraft to > measure, simply by starting with known dimensions like wing span (from > manufacturer and military specs), and known shapes - like engines, guns etc. > The drawing is then prepared using proportions derived from photos and > details added by the "just left of the second rib a tad" method - not > guaranteed to place anything *precisely*. A few years back, WW1 AERO had an article on this topic. They took a side on photo of an Albatros D.III & overlaid it with about a dozen outlines based on various wellknown scale drawings. ALL failed to sync up exactly... ^_^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 19:45:53 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: trust nothing wasRe: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy Message-ID: <7d.134e40e5.27fd0c31@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/01 4:23:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << I'd change copier makers if I was you - or let go of the paper so that the copier can pull it through without stretching ;-) I've made hundreds of copies of drawings scaled up or down from plans. ON *every* one of them I mark (with a straightedge and compass) known lengths on all 4 edges. When the drawing comes out I check the length of all four lines (they should be shorter/longer than on the original but all the same length) and also the straightness of all lines (for barrel or pincushion distortion) >> Jeez- lucky man! Every machine I've ever used was off. Libraries, stores, our two computer setups, my friends' stuff- the best ones come close at 100%x98.5 %, but that's still to great for accurate part making (and never mind changing humidity laughing at the paper!) RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:51:04 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: trust nothing wasRe: Windsock GA Drawings Accuracy Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748EB1@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> RK, > Jeez- lucky man! Every machine I've ever used was off. > Libraries, stores, our > two computer setups, my friends' stuff- the best ones come > close at 100%x98.5 > %, but that's still to great for accurate part making (and never mind > changing humidity laughing at the paper!) > Use a Japanese copier. The only dud one I used was a Xerox ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3248 **********************