WWI Digest 3236 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Nieuport 10 again by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 2) Re: Henri Farre, Yellow dope, and St. Harry Truman by "Michael Kendix" 3) Re: Nieuuport 12 arrived. by "David Calhoun" 4) Re: Nieuport 10 again by "David Calhoun" 5) Re: Nieuuport 12 arrived. by "David Calhoun" 6) Re: Penance !! was Re: bis by "Ray Boorman" 7) Re: Off-Topic: Some COOL News!! by Sharon Henderson 8) Re: Penance !! was Re: bis by "David C. Fletcher" 9) Belgian N11 dope? was [RE: nieuport IV yellow dope] by "cameron rile" 10) Re: bis by Todd Hayes 11) Re: bis by "Lee J. Mensinger" 12) Re: Penance !! was Re: bis by "DAVID BURKE" 13) Drumsticks on the Turkey by "DAVID BURKE" 14) Re: bis by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 15) Re: Off-Topic: Some COOL News!! by j@prendergast.tc 16) Re: And now the Caudron as well! RE: nieuport IV yellow dope by j@prendergast.tc 17) Re: bis by Jan Vihonen 18) More on MK paints by "Alberto Casirati" 19) Re: Nieuport 10 again by Witold Kozakiewicz 20) Re: Belgian N11 dope? was [RE: nieuport IV yellow dope] by "Matt Bittner" 21) 1/8 Hasegawa SE5a by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 22) Re: 1/8 Hasegawa SE5a by "Steven M.Perry" 23) Re: bis by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 24) Re: bis by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 25) Re: Belgian N11 dope? was [RE: nieuport IV yellow dope] by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 26) Re: Nieuuport 12 arrived. by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 27) Re: Check out "Scale Calculator" by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 28) Re: 1/8 Hasegawa SE5a by Sharon Henderson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:26:48 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Nieuport 10 again Message-ID: <43.12d449a2.27f65418@aol.com> I'm afraid I've been a little over zealous with the delete key so I have no record who was asking for thoughts on the Merlin Nieuport 10. Any old how I've posted some pics of my run in with it at http://www.storks.cwc.net. Just select "Model Pages" from there. It's my birthday on Monday. As a special treat I'm taking myself to the Telford IPMS show at RAF Cosford Museum. Not much in the way of OT there except for a nice group of early aero engines, but it's always an enjoyable show with excellent trade support. Be there or be.........somewhere else. cheers Peter L NB. 1:1 scale kitchen NU. 1:1 scale bedroom ceiling NL. nag nag nag nag nag! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:51:52 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Henri Farre, Yellow dope, and St. Harry Truman Message-ID: >From: "Lance Krieg" > >If the colors in a Henri Farre painting are true, why is the cocarde >bleu >so very different than the currently accepted depictions? (This >was a pet >peeve of Bill Bacon, RIP). Maybe Henri was on the same drugs as Van Gogh? >Does the yellow dope of the French middle period tend to fade or deepen > >with time, and what is the role of this "fatty" varnish in whatever > >color change takes place? Sounds like a question from a "History of Art-with-Chemistry" O'Level. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:18:54 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Nieuuport 12 arrived. Message-ID: <000c01c0b988$f1469740$1b153ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Mike, So the Stair drawings are not to be trusted? How about the drawings in Datafile #68? Are these similar to the earlier ones? I can tell the Merlin kitwas based on these drawings, they are almost spot on the outline of the Stair drawings. Let me know if you will be doing a new set of drawings based on your research. Also, did you measure a French built machine or a British Beardmore built one? At this point I will probably wait for you to do the drawings before altering any plastic. Dave C -----Original Message----- From: mdf@mars.ark.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Nieuuport 12 arrived. >I guess that means I've got to hurry up with my 12 drawings - I didn't >find those drawings hugely accurate and I haven't been able to find any >that are better (those were traced from GA rigging diagrams FWIW). >I measured the NAM N.12 and the Rhinebeck N.80 so its just a matter of >lines on paper now. >The horizontal tail is the same on the N.14 for when you make that part, >and the rudder (and tailskid) are the same dimensions as on the 17. >The NAM 12 is unusual (but correctly so) in having a LeRhone - most >(almost all?) had the Clerget. > >Mike F. > >David Calhoun wrote: >> >> Thanks Peter. >> I enlarged my plans to 1/48 scale today (from the Aircraft Archive vol.3) >> and the upper wings appear to be the correct outline, about 1/8" short >> between the center section & wing panels. I should be able to add a shim >> between the center section & wings, then a lot of sanding, replacing ribs in >> center section, scratchbuilding fuselage & tailsurfaces, add an Aeroclub >> LeRhone, wheels & guns, carve struts from wood, scratchbuild interior, and >> have a decent Nieuport 12! >> Now to get datafile #68! >> Dave C >> -----Original Message----- >> From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:33 AM >> Subject: Re: Nieuuport 12 arrived. >> >> > >> >Dave, I converted mine to a 10. IMO the Merlin kit is pretty near >> >unbuildable, like every other in the range I ever saw, but with some basic >> >scratchbuild techniques and the odd SMER part you can get there . I hope to >> >post some pics and a few words on the subject at my "Storks" site in a >> couple >> >of days. >> > >> >cheers >> > >> >Peter L >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:47:22 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 10 again Message-ID: <006501c0b98c$eb98e600$1b153ccc@oemcomputer> Thanks Peter. I was asking about it, and will check it out! Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: Nieuport 10 again >I'm afraid I've been a little over zealous with the delete key so I have no >record who was asking for thoughts on the Merlin Nieuport 10. Any old how >I've posted some pics of my run in with it at http://www.storks.cwc.net. Just >select "Model Pages" from there. > >It's my birthday on Monday. As a special treat I'm taking myself to the >Telford IPMS show at RAF Cosford Museum. Not much in the way of OT there >except for a nice group of early aero engines, but it's always an enjoyable >show with excellent trade support. Be there or be.........somewhere else. > >cheers > >Peter L > >NB. 1:1 scale kitchen >NU. 1:1 scale bedroom ceiling >NL. nag nag nag nag nag! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:22:01 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Nieuuport 12 arrived. Message-ID: <001301c0b991$c246f300$1b153ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Jim, If you want to sell the Datafile I am willing to buy it from you. What's fair? About $10.00 probably, I just bought 2 new ones for $13 each. If you want I can trade you the Aces High book + $6.00. If you did not yet send out a check that's ok. If you already wrote out a check for it, I will send the aces high book, a check for $6.00 & return your original check when it arrives. Let me know what you want to do. Thanks, Dave C -----Original Message----- From: Jim Landon To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Nieuuport 12 arrived. >David Calhoun said: <10/12>> > >I bought one a year or so ago because I was dumb enough to think it would >cover the Nie 11. There was quite a "thread" about it. Let me know if you >need it and we could maybe work something out. > >Jim Now only 158 messages behind and still feeling crummy > >>From: "David Calhoun" >>Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >>To: Multiple recipients of list >>Subject: Nieuuport 12 arrived. >>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:09:46 -0500 (EST) >> >>Hi Todd, >>The Nieuport 12 arrived yesterday. Needless to say I was not suprised, >>it's >>similar to the Merlin Roland C.II that I have. Looks like a lot of work, >>but there is a nice metal cowl! I've got to enlarge my 1/72 scale drawings >>before commenting on the size & shape. I'll give a quick review as soon as >>I can, and keep an update of work needed to improve it. >>Thanks for all of the help everyone has offered, especially Mike Fletcher. >>Still haven't seen the datafile on the Nieuport 10/12. Does anyone have >>this yet? is it a mini or a regular datafile? >>Dave Calhoun >> >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:33:44 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Penance !! was Re: bis Message-ID: <003D218A04525D115A950005B80A9E19@Ray_B.prontomail.com> Its a guess, but wasnt French the language of choice for the aristocracy in Russia. Therefore could it not be a holdover from the pre revolution times. Ray (Also darn well pleased its friday) ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: David Fleming Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:50:00 -0500 (EST) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Penance !! was Re: bis its ot, but anyone know why the Soviets used a French/Latin expression for aircraft ? Matt?) ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:02:56 -0800 (PST) From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Some COOL News!! Message-ID: <20010331020256.98563.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com> :-) I like this idea! I wore a Confederate flag pasted to my mortarboard when I graduated Mason in 1992; Lozenge sounds grand! I shall have to remember that -- if I can afford the fabric after paying his tuition! :-) When I finish my masters' I think I'll applique a Blue Max on my mortarboard.... ;-) Cheers, Sharon > And while he starts studying, you start work on a > nice graduation cap - in > five colour loz of course. > > Congratulations to all of you. I agree with Bob P - > he'll do us all proud. > MVJ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:41:06 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Penance !! was Re: bis Message-ID: <3AC551D2.3050205@mars.ark.com> Ray Boorman wrote: > Its a guess, but wasnt French the language of choice for the > aristocracy in Russia. Therefore could it not be a holdover from the > pre revolution times. That is correct and many Russian words are direct transliterations from the French ('nouveauriche' has only seven letters in Russian but sounds the same...). The Russian Navy, on the other hand, uses a lot of British terminology because Peter the Great contracted a Scottish admiral to set up that service. And in case you want to know Russian Army slang for 'reliable', it is 'Studebaker' - but that stems from WWII Lend/Lease so is "ot". Da svydaniya! Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:47:52 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Belgian N11 dope? was [RE: nieuport IV yellow dope] Message-ID: <45830BB648525D115A950005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> >In other words, I believed that early WW1 >french machines were not "yellow" >doped but white doped or CDL, often unbleached. I am currently doing a Belgian N11, ( the one on the cover of the Nieuport Fighters Special ) would it have a yellow or unbleached CDL colour? I did a dusty light mustard desert colour, is that within range? cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:21:52 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: bis Message-ID: <20010331042152.67481.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Wouldn't it have the same function as 109B,C,D, E,F,G,K; BE2a,b,c,d,e,f,g? Simply a designation for a subvariant instead of any special meaning in itself? Todd --- "Lee J. Mensinger" wrote: > It means second or later version of an object, car, > plane and etc. > > "Harris, Mack" wrote: > > > "bis" Can anyone tell me what this term means? > I've always assumed it was > > the same as using an A or some other letter after > a model number, meaning an > > upgraded version, but I'm not sure. > > TIA > > Mack Harris > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:57:25 -0600 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: bis Message-ID: <3AC563B5.F200E442@x25.net> I don't think so since it has been used most of the time to mean second. First time I ran into it was in Italy, and, there are others for third, fourth ETC. In Italy it did mean second all the time. Todd Hayes wrote: > Wouldn't it have the same function as 109B,C,D, > E,F,G,K; BE2a,b,c,d,e,f,g? Simply a designation for a > subvariant instead of any special meaning in itself? > > Todd > > --- "Lee J. Mensinger" wrote: > > It means second or later version of an object, car, > > plane and etc. > > > > "Harris, Mack" wrote: > > > > > "bis" Can anyone tell me what this term means? > > I've always assumed it was > > > the same as using an A or some other letter after > > a model number, meaning an > > > upgraded version, but I'm not sure. > > > TIA > > > Mack Harris > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:55:33 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Penance !! was Re: bis Message-ID: <001c01c0b9a0$20f1d740$39a31e3f@oemcomputer> > Ray Boorman wrote: > > > Its a guess, but wasnt French the language of choice for the > > aristocracy in Russia. Therefore could it not be a holdover from the > > pre revolution times. > > That is correct and many Russian words are direct transliterations from > the French ('nouveauriche' has only seven letters in Russian but sounds > the same...). If I remember correctly, the Russian for 'airport' is 'aerodrome'. DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:04:48 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Drumsticks on the Turkey Message-ID: <001d01c0b9a0$21dcd380$39a31e3f@oemcomputer> Hi Gang, I have added the main landing gear struts, tail skid, and the engine pods to the G.Vb. All of the lozenge is on the wings. The cat is smiling at me. Now I have to add the gusset plates at the bends of the gear where the axle pokes thru, and the crossbracing. I also have to add the fairings to the brass rod that holds the nacelles on - it had to be structurally strong as the upper wing attatches to the nacelles and also the engines are surprisingly heavy! I also have done the major frame for the bomb racks (mine will carry 7 50Kg bombs). Following that (and a photo session), I will pin the wings and add the Stossfahgestellen and the details such as gun mounts. The pinned wings, in their cradle jig, will be strutted and rigged with Evergreen airfoil stock. I am trying to figure out whether I should use it or the brass airfoil stock for more strength. Oh, and I'll add the tail soon as all of the parts are cut out and have been lozenged. BTW, I will indeed have extra night loz and as soon as this project is totally complete, the remainder will go up for public consumption. Also, I started putting parts together on the big Camel. With any luck... DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:19:04 -0600 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: bis Message-ID: > >From: "Harris, Mack" > >>"bis" Can anyone tell me what this term means? I've always assumed it >was >>the same as using an A or some other letter after a model number, >meaning >>an upgraded version, but I'm not sure. >>TIA >>Mack Harris > >Mack: > >It means "again" or "twice" but in the context of aeroplane it means as you >say, an upgraded or different similar version as in Farman F40bis or >MIG-15bis &c&c. > There was a discussion on this topic several years ago by a group of modeling nuts and the modern day meaning was determined to indicate an export model of an airframe manufactured by an Eastern Bloc Country. IE when MiG built the MiG-21 for their Air Force, it was a MiG-21, but when they built it for the Iranian Air Force, it was the MiG-21bis. I am still confused about all this stuff, I just let the experts fight over it, and build models of the airplanes that interest me at the moment (Gothas and Dr.1s) and try to be as accurate (externally) as I can. John ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 2001 06:08:28 -0000 From: j@prendergast.tc To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Some COOL News!! Message-ID: <20010331060828.1837.qmail@www2.nameplanet.com> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:08:09 -0500 (EST) Sharon Henderson wrote: >:-) I like this idea! > >I wore a Confederate flag pasted to my mortarboard >when I graduated Mason in 1992; Lozenge sounds grand! >I shall have to remember that -- if I can afford the >fabric after paying his tuition! :-) > >When I finish my masters' I think I'll applique a Blue >Max on my mortarboard.... ;-) > >Cheers, >Sharon > >> And while he starts studying, you start work on a >> nice graduation cap - in >> five colour loz of course. >> >> Congratulations to all of you. I agree with Bob P - >> he'll do us all proud. >> MVJ >> Pleased for you... Goodonya mate! JP >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > -- Get your firstname@lastname email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 2001 06:55:26 -0000 From: j@prendergast.tc To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: And now the Caudron as well! RE: nieuport IV yellow dope Message-ID: <20010331065526.11604.qmail@www2.nameplanet.com> I read somewhere in the dim distant past that the French used to mix a bit of aluminium powder in with the yellow as a sort of UV deterent. Think it was in an article in an old "Cross and Cockade" (US) Journal. Jim P -- Get your firstname@lastname email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:38:59 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: bis Message-ID: <3AC58993.B562288D@helsinki.fi> "Harris, Mack" wrote: > > "bis" Can anyone tell me what this term means? I've always assumed it was > the same as using an A or some other letter after a model number, meaning an > upgraded version, but I'm not sure. Bis is Latin and means, as has already been pointed out, 'twice'. Once would be 'semel' (not that it was used in aircraft designations, as far as I know), three times is 'ter', and four times is 'quater'. All these (excepting the 'semel') have been used in aircraft context to denote subvariants of the same type, e.g. Fiat CR 32. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:34:45 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: More on MK paints Message-ID: <001901c0b9bd$906d17c0$170a623e@s> As for applying them by brush, all I can say is that they seem to give better results when they are thinned down with no more than 10% of distilled water and are applied with a flat brush. I did so and results were good, about 3 coats being sufficient to give a nice finish. Undoubtedly, however, MK paints are better and more easily applied by airbrush. All the very best, Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:35:06 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport 10 again Message-ID: <3AC5CEFA.3EEA9131@bg.am.lodz.pl> LEONARDPeterL@aol.com napisał(a): > It's my birthday on Monday. Happy birthday Peter, > NB. 1:1 scale kitchen Just like me 1:1 bathroom, but NU: BM Sopwith Snipe or Dolphin for cook-up. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:52:17 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Belgian N11 dope? was [RE: nieuport IV yellow dope] Message-ID: <200103311352.FAA12569@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:48:56 -0500 (EST), cameron rile wrote: > I am currently doing a Belgian N11, ( the one on > the cover of the Nieuport Fighters Special ) > would it have a yellow or unbleached CDL colour? > I did a dusty light mustard desert colour, is > that within range? Is that using the Warbirds decals? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:33:05 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: 1/8 Hasegawa SE5a Message-ID: <000701c0b9ef$80f3d680$4438183f@cyrixp166> Here it is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=573946937 There it goes....SWMBO was not swayed by the "good investment" argument. :-) Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:27:30 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: 1/8 Hasegawa SE5a Message-ID: <000901c0b9f7$1a796d40$bdf9aec7@default> > Here it is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=573946937 > > There it goes....SWMBO was not swayed by the "good investment" argument. :-) > > Cyg. I was once (age 9) given the choice of a Guillows SE.5a or an new baseball glove. I took the kit. Always loved that plane. 9 hrs left huh? Dang, the Lotto drawing is 12 1/2 hrs away. Oh well. There is a Camel on consignment in a local shop. 500 would take it. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:18:31 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: bis Message-ID: <3AC60357.78885E09@mars.ark.com> ter dfernet0 wrote: > > Hi Mack > You're quite correct. "bis" means second, as if "Mk 2" equivalent or "b" > There exist also a latin suffix for "Mk3" or "c" but I can't recall it right > now. > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Harris, Mack > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 3:06 PM > Subject: bis > > > "bis" Can anyone tell me what this term means? I've always assumed it was > > the same as using an A or some other letter after a model number, meaning > an > > upgraded version, but I'm not sure. > > TIA > > Mack Harris > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:29:24 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: bis Message-ID: <3AC605E4.1D54D5DB@mars.ark.com> The Russian use of these words comes from the heavy influence the French had on the Russians, even after the revolution. Most Russian technical terms are of French origin which makes translating much easier - all you have to do is figure out how to pronounce something and the meaning becomes obvious (grammatical constructs excepted). Having thousands of French aircraft on hand probably didn't hurt much either. Mike F. Jan Vihonen wrote: > > "Harris, Mack" wrote: > > > > "bis" Can anyone tell me what this term means? I've always assumed it was > > the same as using an A or some other letter after a model number, meaning an > > upgraded version, but I'm not sure. > > Bis is Latin and means, as has already been pointed out, 'twice'. Once > would be 'semel' (not that it was used in aircraft designations, as far > as I know), three times is 'ter', and four times is 'quater'. All these > (excepting the 'semel') have been used in aircraft context to denote > subvariants of the same type, e.g. Fiat CR 32. > > Jan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:33:51 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Belgian N11 dope? was [RE: nieuport IV yellow dope] Message-ID: <3AC606EF.EF37A99C@mars.ark.com> CDL is probably more correct for a Belgian N.11 The last Nieuports that would have had the 'yelow' appear to have been Nieuport 10's. Mike F. cameron rile wrote: > > >In other words, I believed that early WW1 > >french machines were not "yellow" > >doped but white doped or CDL, often unbleached. > > I am currently doing a Belgian N11, ( the one on > the cover of the Nieuport Fighters Special ) > would it have a yellow or unbleached CDL colour? > I did a dusty light mustard desert colour, is > that within range? > > cam > AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ > > ________________________________________ > Get your email at > http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:44:31 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuuport 12 arrived. Message-ID: <3AC6096F.5541E08C@mars.ark.com> Don't worry it just yet - I have just about finished the fuselage side. If you are reaally curious I scanned my (very early) preliminary dimension sketches (so I could do the drawings at work) at http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/N.12/ but these are done from 2 different aircraft (of the same basic type, one built in 1916 (N.12) and one probably in 1918 (N.80), both French built) and they often disagree. I'm missing drawings from the set and will add them once they are found. Mike F. David Calhoun wrote: > > Hi Mike, > So the Stair drawings are not to be trusted? How about the drawings in > Datafile #68? Are these similar to the earlier ones? I can tell the Merlin > kitwas based on these drawings, they are almost spot on the outline of the > Stair drawings. Let me know if you will be doing a new set of drawings > based on your research. Also, did you measure a French built machine or a > British Beardmore built one? At this point I will probably wait for you to > do the drawings before altering any plastic. > Dave C > -----Original Message----- > From: mdf@mars.ark.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 9:16 PM > Subject: Re: Nieuuport 12 arrived. > > >I guess that means I've got to hurry up with my 12 drawings - I didn't > >find those drawings hugely accurate and I haven't been able to find any > >that are better (those were traced from GA rigging diagrams FWIW). > >I measured the NAM N.12 and the Rhinebeck N.80 so its just a matter of > >lines on paper now. > >The horizontal tail is the same on the N.14 for when you make that part, > >and the rudder (and tailskid) are the same dimensions as on the 17. > >The NAM 12 is unusual (but correctly so) in having a LeRhone - most > >(almost all?) had the Clerget. > > > >Mike F. > > > >David Calhoun wrote: > >> > >> Thanks Peter. > >> I enlarged my plans to 1/48 scale today (from the Aircraft Archive vol.3) > >> and the upper wings appear to be the correct outline, about 1/8" short > >> between the center section & wing panels. I should be able to add a > shim > >> between the center section & wings, then a lot of sanding, replacing ribs > in > >> center section, scratchbuilding fuselage & tailsurfaces, add an Aeroclub > >> LeRhone, wheels & guns, carve struts from wood, scratchbuild interior, > and > >> have a decent Nieuport 12! > >> Now to get datafile #68! > >> Dave C > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com > >> To: Multiple recipients of list > >> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:33 AM > >> Subject: Re: Nieuuport 12 arrived. > >> > >> > > >> >Dave, I converted mine to a 10. IMO the Merlin kit is pretty near > >> >unbuildable, like every other in the range I ever saw, but with some > basic > >> >scratchbuild techniques and the odd SMER part you can get there . I hope > to > >> >post some pics and a few words on the subject at my "Storks" site in a > >> couple > >> >of days. > >> > > >> >cheers > >> > > >> >Peter L > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:00:47 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Check out "Scale Calculator" Message-ID: <3AC60D3F.A0ADB702@mars.ark.com> You can also make any spreadsheet do the same job. Converting from one scale to another. Cells A1, B1, C1, D1 have headers (original scale, original dimension, final scale, scale dimension) Cell A2 (use 1 for fullsize original, 24 for 1/24th, etc) Cell B2 (enter the measured dimension) Cell C2 (enter the scale you want dimension to be in 72 for 1/72nd) Cell D2 (=B2*A2/C2) Mike F. Andreikor@aol.com wrote: > > Hi folks, > For anyone who hasn't found this yet, it's pretty cool, and a freeware > download. > Click Here: Scale > Calculator > > Cheers, > Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:22:34 -0800 (PST) From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/8 Hasegawa SE5a Message-ID: <20010331172234.99499.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> My God.... (and I say that with both reverence and dread.... ) How many WW1 birds DID Hasegawa put out in 1/8?? There's the Fokker DR1, the Sopwith Camel, and now an SE5a that I hadn't previously known they did.... I have the 1/16 Albatros they did, and I know they have a Wright flyer. Is there anything else I need to despair of ever owning? :-) Sharon > > > Here it is: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=573946937 > > > > There it goes....SWMBO was not swayed by the "good > investment" argument. > :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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