WWI Digest 3220 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) More on Mr Kit paint by "Paul E. Thompson" 2) RE: Paths of Glory by "Gaston Graf" 3) Pet peeve by "Bob Pearson" 4) Re: More on Mr Kit paint by David Fleming 5) Triplanes and famous pilots... by "Gaston Graf" 6) Re: More on Mr Kit paint by Shon Howell 7) Re: Pet peeve by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 8) Re: German photos well worth the gander by "cameron rile" 9) Re: St. Harry Knows by David Fleming 10) Re: Pet peeve by DavidL1217@aol.com 11) Re: 1/72 Gotha G.II/III Photo Etch by DavidL1217@aol.com 12) Re: Full size Fokker D.VII, was Re: New kits for 2001 by "Lee J. Mensinger" 13) Re: New kits for 2001 by "Courtney Allen" 14) Re: 1/72 Gotha G.II/III Photo Etch by "Michael Kendix" 15) Re: 1/28th Scale Decals by "Hans Trauner" 16) Rhinebeck List Get Together by Andreikor@aol.com 17) Paths Of Glory by Andreikor@aol.com 18) Re: Triplanes and famous pilots... by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 19) Re: Paths Of Glory by Todd Hayes 20) Re: Triplanes and famous pilots... by Todd Hayes 21) Re: St. Harry Knows by "Jim Landon" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:48:12 +0100 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: More on Mr Kit paint Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010324093713.00acab60@pop.xs4all.nl> Good Morning... I just dug out the Windsock review of the Mr Kit paints. Re PC10, Rimmel says that PC10 could be close to Methuen 3F8 (if you believe in black magic), and PC12 closer to 5F5, being browner than PC10, rather than redder. More understandable, chocalatey brown. As such, Mr Kit PC12 is too red/brown, and more like AMAPDT reddish brown for tropical use. The PC10 is good for a well lived in look (faded). These are Rimmels descriptions, I only know what I read in books, so..... I do think however that the colour works better on 1/72 models due to scale effects. As to thinning, he suggests 10% distilled water. Since these colours were researched by Alberto Casirati, he'd be the one for any further info. Paul Thompson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:52:48 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Paths of Glory Message-ID: I saw it some weeks ago on German TV. Before that I had seen it many years ago as I was a boy, knowing not much about WW1 yet. But one scene I never forgot - the excecution! I always remembered the poor fellow bound on the stretcher. As I saw the movie now again, after having build up a good background knowledge of WW1 in the meantime, I am still disgusted of the way army leaders dealed with life of their soldiers. But the French wasn't worse than the other - they was all the same. It was the mentality of their time to feed the boys to the meat grinder. There are many other bad stories about French army leaders than this, also regarding WW2. This movie is considered here in Europe to be one of the very best anti-war movie ever being made. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Todd > Hayes > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 5:00 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Paths of Glory > > > How many of you out there in listee land have seen > this movie? If you haven't yet, and have the chance > to do so, you'll probably enjoy it. It stars Kirk > Douglas, Joel Macrea, and is directed by Stanley > Kubrick. It deals with the army mutiny of 1917. It's > so critical of the French High Command during the war > that the French government saw it as slanderous and > refused to allow it to be filmed in France. Many of > the extras playing French soldiers in the battle > scenes are really Germans! > > TH > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:59:57 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Pet peeve Message-ID: <200103240901.BAA23189@mail.rapidnet.net> RIMELL ... One M, two L's Come on folks get his name right. . it is only common courtesy Bob > Rimmel says that . . . . . . Rimmels descriptions ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:16:54 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More on Mr Kit paint Message-ID: <3ABC7415.E645AC42@dial.pipex.com> "Paul E. Thompson" wrote: > Good Morning... > > I just dug out the Windsock review of the Mr Kit paints. Re PC10, Rimmel > says that PC10 could be close to Methuen 3F8 (if you believe in black > magic), and PC12 closer to 5F5, being browner than PC10, rather than > redder. More understandable, chocalatey brown. As such, Mr Kit PC12 is too > red/brown, and more like AMAPDT reddish brown for tropical use. The PC10 is > good for a well lived in look (faded). These are Rimmels descriptions, I > only know what I read in books, so..... I do think however that the colour > works better on 1/72 models due to scale effects. > I think part of the problem is one of perception - we all have our ideas of what we think they should be. Ray Rimell's company has published a lot on these colours over the years, and from what I read, PC10 could have a variety of shades in the gree - green/brown range. Looking at the model, I reckon the Mr Kit shade is not as bad as I first feared - as you say, a bit faded perhaps. Next time, I might take into account their translucency and use a green undercoat. I brushed out samples of NIVO, PC12 and AMAPDT -they look pretty close to how I would imagine them - NIVO is not too far off Dark Slate Grey. And their Albatros colours are exactly what I thought they should look like !! I've got all their OT shades so far, so I'll have to try airbrushing them, and look forward to the new ones (ot RAF shades as well !!) Thanks to everyone who replied Dave nb: Albatros cookup entry after a 6th month hiatus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:17:41 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Triplanes and famous pilots... Message-ID: Friends, I uploaded a new table to the AIRCRAFT section of my website, containing information on Triplanes flown by famous German pilots. If you think there are other aircraft that I should add and if you have information concering that aircraft I would be glad to hear from you. cheers! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:59:17 -0800 From: Shon Howell To: Subject: Re: More on Mr Kit paint Message-ID: on 3/24/01 12:53 AM, Paul E. Thompson at flutes@xs4all.nl wrote: > Good Morning... > > > I just dug out the Windsock review of the Mr Kit paints. Re PC10, Rimmel > says that PC10 could be close to Methuen 3F8 (if you believe in black > magic), and PC12 closer to 5F5, being browner than PC10, rather than > redder. More understandable, chocalatey brown. As such, Mr Kit PC12 is too > red/brown, and more like AMAPDT reddish brown for tropical use. The PC10 is > good for a well lived in look (faded). These are Rimmels descriptions, I > only know what I read in books, so..... I do think however that the colour > works better on 1/72 models due to scale effects. > > As to thinning, he suggests 10% distilled water. > > Since these colours were researched by Alberto Casirati, he'd be the one > for any further info. > > > Paul Thompson. I recall an article in Scale Models back in the 70's on the vagueries of PC10. Given wear & fading, you actually have quite a bit of elbow room in reguards to the shade... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:05:21 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Pet peeve Message-ID: <002201c0b463$1617e2c0$e737183f@cyrixp166> Rimell? I thought we were talking about Rommel! Did you know that Rim..er...Rommel flew a Pfaltz? Cyg. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 4:06 AM Subject: Pet peeve > RIMELL ... One M, two L's > > Come on folks get his name right. . it is only common courtesy > > Bob > > > > Rimmel says that . . . . . . Rimmels descriptions > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:37:15 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: German photos well worth the gander Message-ID: <4905C8A261025D115A660005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> Dave, >http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1126610767 >http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1126611871 > >These two are of Jerusalem, and show German >aviation brass with Turks? I >have never seen these as well. The picture of Potts' grave appears in "Aces and Kings". I didnt realise that Hewitt and Butt were buried there too in the same spot. Jack and Len Potts were brothers from the Hawkesbury region in Sydney who both served with 1 Sqn AFC, both as pilots. Jack collided with a 113 RFC RE8 while in a combat with a German aircraft and died. About 2 weeks later Len claimed a German aircraft and commented that he was evens with them[Germans] now. He was in the white and PC10 Bristol Fighter A7194 (which Bob profiled on InternetModeler) when he claimed that victory. Their father was the Dean of the Hawkesbury Agricultural College during WWI as well, when I was in Aus and researching the newspapers, I saw their fathers name appear several times, unfortunately around that period was all the debate on conscription so I ended up reading more than what I wanted :) cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ (just back from Aust and with a 90% percent baboons bum red triplane awaiting finishing ) ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:21:23 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: St. Harry Knows Message-ID: <3ABC8333.A5815F64@dial.pipex.com> "Steven M.Perry" wrote: > Harry Woodman knows that of which he speaks when he cautions a light touch > with the liquid cement while skinning with 5 thou card. > > I ODed on the Tenax and what looked like a minor sandable offence turned > into a major spooge after a couple of hours. I wouldn't put Tenax anywhere near 5 thou - IIRC it's a strong, methylene chloride based solvent. The couple of times I've done this, I've used Mek-Pak, which is a 'nice' gentle solvent. (Course, it apparently doesn't have MEK in it - I used to have a bottle of MEK purloined from the Uni lab, but it's long gone !) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:34:28 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pet peeve Message-ID: <26.130d9114.27ee1884@aol.com> Not to be confused with Rommel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:37:15 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/72 Gotha G.II/III Photo Etch Message-ID: <2d.945e11b.27ee192b@aol.com> The new PART photoetch were advertised in the Jadar site under New. Squadron shows PART as a line they carry but the Web site did not show any pieces available. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:47:40 -0600 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Full size Fokker D.VII, was Re: New kits for 2001 Message-ID: <3ABCC19C.AEA88638@x25.net> Tom D. Gaylord is on the board of Directors for the Vintage Aviation Historical Foundation based now at Kingsbury, Texas. I am a long time member and the comment about a D-7 woke me up a bit so I am checking to find out what is going on since the Foundation is only about a 35 minute drive from my house and I did not know anything about it. I was there a week ago taking photos of Jennies. I will see what I can find out. The Foundation is a (504-C-3) group that was started by Roger Freeman owner of Vintage Aircraft Inc. They made the D-VIII and the DR-1 at Wright Patterson. So possibilities exist. If it is so, I suspect it will be flyable. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX Dave Watts wrote: > Hi all, > > If I recall, Jim Landon was forwarding a letter from someone else, and it > was signed "TDG". If you look at the top of the letter it say, sent by Tom > D. Gaylord, so I figure he is the one working on the D.VII, but I don't know > "TDG" as well. Maybe this will help someone recall who Tom is. > > Best, > Dave W. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Lee J. > Mensinger > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:01 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Full size Fokker D.VII, was Re: New kits for 2001 > > There is a Fokker hanging from the ceiling in the new hangar, but it looks > like > the > Dr-1. I do not know of any D-7 being built at Kingsbury right now. I will > check on that. If it is I must go there a lot more often. > > Two Jennies are in progress and Vernon Hatch's plane is up at his place in > Kerrville, so far as I know. I did not get there for more than amonth so I > fell > behind. > > I went there in the end of January and on the way back destroyed a tire > which > forced me to get two actually since the spare did not match and the new > one/ones > had to go on the front where the transaxles are located. That requires a > pair > that are the same. Anything less and they can harm the transmission. So I > got > two new Michelins up there for $216.00 Then on the 15th of March a guy rear > ended my almost new (2000) Pontiac Firebird while I was stopped for a road > construction flagger. So I was back to one car and could not leave Lucille > with > out one. she doesn't drive much. But if she needs one she needs it > immediately > not later when I get home. So I hung around as I really knew I should. > Pontiac > goes to the garage on the 25th of March to have close to $1400.00 in > repairs. > > Anyway it caused me to go almost two months with out going by for pictures > and > vernon's "Canuck" went home during that time. I suspect it has covering on > it > and lots of good things. > > (>This move by the Board gives Team Fokker two more > >months to progress on the D.7!!) > > Note it does not say where, by who or any real particulars. I get the VAHS > Newsletter and there has been no mention of a D-7 being made here. And a > ho,ho,ho for that too. I will be back down to the field in another week and > I > will ask about a D-7 at that time. Question? Who said Roger was working on > a > D-7? > > Roger wants me to help him make a presentation that will be standardized and > deliverable virtually on demand. I have a program called Flip Album CD > Maker > that may just be great for things like that. I can put in the spoken word > and > even music once I learn how to do it. With the proper equipment the > dialog/and > photos can be delivered to a large screen, standard, TV or to a Computer > capable > projector on a regular Movie screen, directly from a Computer CD drive.. The > projector costs a bundle but I believe it could be rented. > > One of my buddies says I should use Power Point but I really hate Microsoft > and > don't want to use their products if I can avoid it. > > Enough for this time. Take Care, Lee > > Jim Landon wrote: > > > Lee said: < . > > Don't know if it is a 1/1 or anything else right now. Could be a > > replica..>> > > > > I believe you're refering to the one being built by Roger Freeman ... in > the > > message I posted about his fly-in being postponed from April 7 to Memorial > > Day. > > > > Or is there another D.VII being built in Houston? > > > > Jim > > > > >From: "Lee J. Mensinger" > > >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > >Subject: Re: New kits for 2001 > > >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:04:54 -0500 (EST) > > > > > >When you mention " The latest FSM" ( Or any other magazine for that > > >matter.) > > >will you please put in the date of the issue or some sort of reference > > >number. > > >Different parts of the country and the world in general get the issues > of > > >whatever) at various times. Please say April (or whatever) FSM and make > > >everyone happier. I am in the States and I have no idea what the latest > > >issue > > >is. I get all of them... When they are darn good and ready.. I have > > >several > > >magazines saved for me by Dibbles Hobby Shop 35 miles away and I pick > them > > >up > > >about once a month or less. > > > > > >Just heard that a group in Houston is working on a Fokker D-7 . Don't > know > > >if > > >it is a 1/1 or anything else right now. Could be a replica.. > > > > > >One Jenny has gone home to Kerrville. Could be a flyer in a few more > > >weeks. > > >Have to call Vernon to see how it is going. If it is close I may have to > > >go up > > >there and get some photos. > > > > > >Lee M. > > >New Braunfels, TX > > > > > >Courtney Allen wrote: > > > > > > > I apologise if this has been mentioned before but I was just going > > >though > > > > the latest FSM and noted in their list of 2001 releases a couple of > > >entrees > > > > that I had not seen mentioned before. It seems that ALP Maqueties > will > > >be > > > > releasing a 1/48 resin Nieuport II in April '01. Their kits are > > >excellent. > > > > Hi-Tech Models lists a 1/48 AEG G.IV in the 2nd Quarter '01!!! > > > > > > > > By the way, on Friday of last week I received the Model Airways 1/16 > > > > Nieuport 28. On first look I don't think it looks as good as their > > > > Albatros. One thing that cot my eye was the need to use a "soda can" > > > > material to cover the fuel tanks. I think a kit of this level a price > > >could > > > > include a small sheet of aluminum. > > > > > > > > One last note. Pacific coast Models has received their order of > Mister > > >Kit > > > > Paints. > > > > > > > > Courtney > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:51:31 -0800 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: New kits for 2001 Message-ID: <000f01c0b47a$4c456540$6a44510c@worldnet.att.net> Yes, Courtney. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Hayes" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: Re: New kits for 2001 > Courtney, > > Is that AJP Maquettes for the Nie.11? > > Todd > > > --- Courtney Allen wrote: > > I apologise if this has been mentioned before but I > > was just going though > > the latest FSM and noted in their list of 2001 > > releases a couple of entrees > > that I had not seen mentioned before. It seems that > > ALP Maqueties will be > > releasing a 1/48 resin Nieuport II in April '01. > > Their kits are excellent. > > Hi-Tech Models lists a 1/48 AEG G.IV in the 2nd > > Quarter '01!!! > > > > By the way, on Friday of last week I received the > > Model Airways 1/16 > > Nieuport 28. On first look I don't think it looks > > as good as their > > Albatros. One thing that cot my eye was the need to > > use a "soda can" > > material to cover the fuel tanks. I think a kit of > > this level a price could > > include a small sheet of aluminum. > > > > One last note. Pacific coast Models has received > > their order of Mister Kit > > Paints. > > > > Courtney > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:54:35 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/72 Gotha G.II/III Photo Etch Message-ID: >From: DavidL1217@aol.com >The new PART photoetch were advertised in the Jadar site under New. > >Squadron shows PART as a line they carry but the Web site did not show > >any pieces available. David: The Gotha PART p/e is new so I think it will be readily available everywhere in a little while. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:26:47 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: 1/28th Scale Decals Message-ID: <002701c0b487$9aad30c0$3ba272d4@FRITZweb> John wrote: > MvR's 425/17 all red Tripe(have the Revell kit) > though) I would like to do the Revell kits with these markings. TIA for any help! John, Revell DO make the 425/17! Take a look at http://www.revell.de/katalog/index_a.html It's Revell Germany, I know, but aren't they availabe thru Squadron? If there are difficulties, contact me. May be we cab swap something. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:57:46 EST From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Rhinebeck List Get Together Message-ID: <98.12615522.27ee725a@aol.com> Actually, my very castor-oil-tolerant wife just offered to treat me to a weekend there for Fathers' Day. Another good date would be Sept.23 (tentative) as I understand there's going to be a meeting of aviation artists there. Will post more when I hear more. Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:02:10 EST From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Paths Of Glory Message-ID: <34.12b7b31d.27ee7362@aol.com> Todd... Sure, have it in my collection... excellent film. Another great one is "All Quiet on the Western Front". And, I don't care if they're not really Pfalz's... I just love "The Blue Max"! (seeing it got me into modelling this stuff!) Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:33:56 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Triplanes and famous pilots... Message-ID: <3ABD4B04.B477AA6C@mars.ark.com> I have just uploaded more drawings to http://members.home.net/nieuport/ bringing my site to a total of 384 drawings (including the nieuports), including one very large Bleriot... Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:11:26 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Paths Of Glory Message-ID: <20010325031126.51196.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Andrei, Movies that create such a strong reaction like that of the French gov. are usually either so far out of touch with reality as to be insulting, or so directly on target that they touch a nerve. This movie touched a nerve. I think Kirk Douglas gave one of his finest performances in Paths.... What I like is that though the French High Command were the featured idiots, the movie's theme could be applied to most every power's military leadership in that war. Todd --- Andreikor@aol.com wrote: > Todd... > Sure, have it in my collection... excellent film. > Another great one is "All > Quiet on the Western Front". And, I don't care if > they're not really > Pfalz's... I just love "The Blue Max"! > (seeing it got me into modelling this stuff!) > Cheers, > Andrei > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:39:51 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Triplanes and famous pilots... Message-ID: <20010325043951.83316.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> This is something Dave Calhoun should see if he hasn't already. The pictures of the Nie.12 should be helpful. Todd --- "mdf@mars.ark.com" wrote: > I have just uploaded more drawings to > http://members.home.net/nieuport/ > bringing my site to a total of 384 drawings > (including the nieuports), > including one very large Bleriot... > > Mike Fletcher __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 05:25:18 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: St. Harry Knows Message-ID: "Steven M.Perry" wrote: <> I am in the habit of using epoxy because I'm usually joining two different materials like styrene and piano wire or styrene and aluminum tubing. But I sometimes even use epoxy when joining two styrene parts because it never softens the plastic. I usually sand the styrene if it has a glossy surface, so that the epoxy can get a good bite. Sometimes I "tack" two pieces of styrene together with plastic cement, and then after it's locked in position I go back and reinforce the joint with a filet of epoxy. I hope nobody is afraid of epoxy. I used to be, but after mixing about 647,893,452 little batches over the last couple years, it's now second nature. I keep a square of waxed paper or aluminum foil taped to my workbench. I squeeze out a drop of part A, then a equal size drop of part B and stir them together with a toothpick. Then I apply it with a sharp pointed toothpick or sharp pointed metal tool or whatever. When there's no space left on the waxed paper I throw it away and tape down a new piece. FWIW Jim _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3220 **********************