WWI Digest 3216 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Kangaroos by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 2) Re: ot / personal / lost my adresses and mails by "Hans Trauner" 3) Memorial Flight by MAnde72343@aol.com 4) Re: Memorial Flight by "Matt Bittner" 5) Eiserne Kreuze without white surroundings !? by "Hans Trauner" 6) Re: Autumn Leaf Question by "Muth and Zulick" 7) Re: Solvaset by "Ken Acosta" 8) Re: Alternatives to Solvaset by "Jim Landon" 9) Re: Solvaset by "Michael Kendix" 10) Re: Memorial Flight Spad XIII - accuracy of colors by "Matt Bittner" 11) Death from Above! by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 12) Re: Eiserne Kreuze without white surroundings !? by "Lance Krieg" 13) Re: Alternatives to Solvaset by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 14) [Fwd: Tantalizing Picture] by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 15) Re: Eiserne Kreuze without white surroundings !? by Steve Cox 16) Re: Hansa Brandenberg CC by Steve Cox 17) Tantalizing picture by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 18) RE: Solvaset by Shane Weier 19) RE: Jasta formation by "Gaston Graf" 20) lozenge strips by "Francisca e Pedro Soares" 21) Re: Jasta formation by Sharon Henderson 22) Amusing by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 23) Re: Amusing/its easy by "TOM PLESHA" 24) RE: Solvaset by "Michael Kendix" 25) Re: French Nieuport 12 information by "Limon3" 26) Re: Autumn Leaf Question by "Limon3" 27) pashendale 3 view by "TOM PLESHA" 28) Re: Amusing by Todd Hayes 29) AH aircraft modeller's site by Andreikor@aol.com 30) Re: Amusing by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:05:59 -0600 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Kangaroos Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A249078012ABB69@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> >There was a teacher in my elementary school whose wife was trampled to >death by Kangaroos. I swear. >E. Sure, that's the story he told the police. ;) kz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:17:39 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: ot / personal / lost my adresses and mails Message-ID: <006c01c0b2f3$ff0e53e0$a5a072d4@FRITZweb> > > PS: I wonder how one can loose all of his stuff just be doing a transfer to > a new computer? Next time just ask me and I will give you the info you need > to transfer your stuff from one puter to another. I'll contact you in 2004, as usually my PC stays for around 3 years - if not a WWI SIM is demanding a new one earlier! Hans ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:41:12 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Memorial Flight Message-ID: Matt, unless I misunderstood, the restoration pictures are of their SPAD VII, the "last one in the world" if i decoded the French correctly. Also some sad photos of the remains of a Sopwith 11/2 that they plan to restore. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:48:34 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Memorial Flight Message-ID: <3ABA3AAB000002C0@mail01.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail01.san.yahoo.com) On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:46:31 -0500 (EST), MAnde72343@aol.com wrote: > Matt, unless I misunderstood, the restoration pictures are of their SPAD VII, > the "last one in the world" if i decoded the French correctly. Also some sad > photos of the remains of a Sopwith 11/2 that they plan to restore. Sorry, but it looks like a 13 to me. Plus all the text states 13, Kellnor-built, No. 4377. Matt Bittner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:48:44 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Eiserne Kreuze without white surroundings !? Message-ID: <001701c0b2f8$58ade9c0$38a272d4@FRITZweb> Hi, everybody outside! I just took out 'German Aircraft of the First World War' by Gray and Thetford just to read a bit. Then I noticed that on a surprising large number of a/c, most built by Albatros, the Eisernen Kreuze on the bottom wings don't have white surroundings despite the usual white borders on the fuselage/rudder crosses. I do NOT speak of 1914 a/c in CDL or Eiserne Kreuze on white squares, but the late 1917 period, before they got Balkenkreuze. For the lucky few who still have one of this books: Alb D III, Jasta 26, page xvii, Alb D III page xix, AEG J.I, page 10. Alb C V, page 28. Alb C XII page 36. Alb D.V (OAW), page 49. The latter one is in pristine condition, no Jasta paintwork, with headrest, seems to be ex-works. All of them seems to have light blue wings, no loz's. Was I blind before? Any opinions? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:28:46 -0500 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: Autumn Leaf Question Message-ID: <002101c0b2fd$efa96520$0100005a@ptd.net> Thanks to all who helped on the autumn leaf question. I think I'll go with the wood underneath because that always looks cool. Should the blue gray paint also go underneath? Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Trauner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday,March 21,2001 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Autumn Leaf Question > > underneath of the fuselage? Leave it as natural wood ? > > I would suggest natural wood. take a lool at > http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/AH/DI/index.html > > Please note that wood is toning down to the dark and red side after the > years. > > Hans > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:30:03 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Re: Solvaset Message-ID: I was just about to say the same thing. KA "Solvaset is rubbing alcohol (iso-propyl alcohol) and a mild detergent [probably a 'nonionic' type) with water. MicroSol is acetic acid, ethyl acetate, a detergent, and water. The ethyl acetate is probably a bit faux de mieux in the mix, it is a mild organic solvent. So a simple homebrew MicroSol equivalent would be to use white vinegar (5% acetic acid solution in water) and a few grains of 'All' or 'Surf' brand detergents (I do not know their European, Australian, and South American counterparts, anymore. In the U.S. these are two readily available ones that all non-ionic detergent based.) A simple Solvaset homebrew equivalent would be to dissolve a few grains of the detergent in 70% rubbing alcohol. The reason for using a non-ionic detergent is that it leaves no salts. The problem with the home brews is that detergents are formulated with salts (mostly sodium sulfate) and 'built' with sodium tripolyphosphate, sodium carbonates, or zeolites for better hard-water performance. The brands I recommended are low in perfumes and are 'non-built' because non-ionic surfactants are not affected by hard-water minerals. Most of the salt will wash away when you wash your decals after they set (you do wash away excess decal set and glue after decaling, don't you) but there will always be a little that is 'sequestered' under the decal. This will not be a problem for normal models - for museum models, it could cause somewhat more rapid deterioration of the decals over the centuries. The best would be to get some of the pure detergent compound, which I used to do because I invented better ways to make the stuff and generated large quantities of test and analytical samples. If you do get some, be careful and wear rubber gloves - in its pure state the stuff can strip the oils from your skin and cause such dryness that the skin cracks and peels in deep bleeding ulcerations, and certain ranges of the molecule can strip paint. Mark" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:48:49 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Alternatives to Solvaset Message-ID: <> I have an unbuilt Hobbycraft Camel on my shelf, and some day I may try to build it. What did you do about the decals? Jim >From: Ernest Thomas >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Alternatives to Solvaset >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:03:34 -0500 (EST) > >DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > My problem is probably that I couldn't resist playing with the decals. >I'll > > re-apply the Solvaset - maybe it will settle down. that stuff is >MURDER!! > >Have you tried cutting the wrinkle with a new, sharp #11 blade, then >re-applying the Solvaset? Usually works for me. >And just a fwiw, the only time I've EVER had a problem with Solvaset was >with some Hobbycraft Camel decals, which were nigh invulnerable to the >stuff. >E. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:49:06 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Solvaset Message-ID: Mark Shannon wrote... >"Solvaset is rubbing alcohol (iso-propyl alcohol) and a mild detergent >[probably a 'nonionic' type) with water... Mark: I'm thinking more about this Solvaset "smell" thing and I now realize why you are correct and I find the smell "sickening". 1. It smells a bit like whiskey alcohol. 2. It reminds me of New Year's Eve 1976/77 when I drank ridiculous amounts of whiskey and was really ill! 3. I am sickened - again! BTW, has anyone noticed that the Aussie dollar has fallen to AU$2.03? The effective purchase rate is now 44.4 U.S cents for an Aussie dollar due to the 11% Aussie sales tax. Thus a AU$10 kit costs US$4.40. So the Roden Gotha II/III at AU$35 from NKRb Models now costs US$15.53. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:51:14 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Memorial Flight Spad XIII - accuracy of colors Message-ID: <3ABA4088000042C1@mail01.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail01.san.yahoo.com) On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:04:20 -0500 (EST), Myles Miller wrote: > How do you feel about the accuracy of the exterior camo, interior colors, > and interior wood panels? > Would you consider this a highly accurate reconstruction? Looks good to me! > What is the color of the fabric visible in a couple of the interior cockpit > photos? Looks like CDL to me! :-) The only thing questionable in my eyes are the instruments. There may be more in this restoration than normal. My thinking is because it's flight-worthy. Matt Bittner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:57:02 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: Death from Above! Message-ID: Don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but there appears to be a new WWI online flight sim at http://www.shockwave.com. To quote from the page, "Death flies at you from every angle as you hunt your enemies in the dangerous skies of WWI." Two choices, High Bandwidth and Low Bandwidth. All those with T1 (Matt) and DSL should have a blast with the High Bandwidth one.... Sincerely, Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Illustrator Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:19:26 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Eiserne Kreuze without white surroundings !? Message-ID: It would seem that the marking practice was interpreted differently by the various manufacturers, and on those light blue wings, Albatros decided there would be no need paint white to help the cross show up. Didn't Pfalz do the same overall on many of the aluminum-painted planes? I'm sure Idflieg had other ideas, but there WAS a war on. All IMHO, of course. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:21:54 +0100 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Alternatives to Solvaset Message-ID: I haven't decaled the Camel but the Hobbycraft Ni-17 markings went on wonderfully with Microsol and set. . .thin and not too glossy. Are the Camel ones by a different company? ><Hobbycraft Camel decals, which were nigh invulnerable to the stuff.>> > >I have an unbuilt Hobbycraft Camel on my shelf, and some day I may try to >build it. What did you do about the decals? > >Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:57:11 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: [Fwd: Tantalizing Picture] Message-ID: <3ABA6727.B224698F@mars.ark.com> I just received the first installment but all the files are in a Mac archive (that I was able to open), However I cannot figure out how to read those files once they are extracted. Mike "mdf@mars.ark.com" wrote: > > Just received this... > If anyone is interested send me your email address... > (I'd have used the whole list but I know some of you can't handle the > attachments with your regular accounts) > I may also open up my ftp server with it if it gets enough volume and > I can get the server and my firewall to cooperate. > > ... > i have a fairly large collection of (as far as i know) unpublished pix > which i will be happy to share with anyone interested.perhaps you will > get in touch and we can discuss recipients and file sizes etc. yours > sincerely,... > > Mike Fletcher read them - can anyone help? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:37:32 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Eiserne Kreuze without white surroundings !? Message-ID: As you say there doesn't seem to be a white outline, but there are others in the book that do, e.g. albatros D.III p45 Dicta Ira applies, unless you have photos of the machine you're modelling Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Hans Trauner" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:29:22 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Eiserne Kreuze without white surroundings !? > > Hi, everybody outside! > I just took out 'German Aircraft of the First World War' by Gray and > Thetford just to read a bit. Then I noticed that on a surprising large > number of a/c, most built by Albatros, the Eisernen Kreuze on the bottom > wings don't have white surroundings despite the usual white borders on the > fuselage/rudder crosses. I do NOT speak of 1914 a/c in CDL or Eiserne Kreuze > on white squares, but the late 1917 period, before they got Balkenkreuze. > > For the lucky few who still have one of this books: > Alb D III, Jasta 26, page xvii, Alb D III page xix, AEG J.I, page 10. > Alb C V, page 28. Alb C XII page 36. Alb D.V (OAW), page 49. The latter one > is in pristine condition, no Jasta paintwork, with headrest, seems to be > ex-works. > > All of them seems to have light blue wings, no loz's. Was I blind before? > > Any opinions? > > Hans > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:37:32 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Hansa Brandenberg CC Message-ID: Span is 30ft 6 1/8", according to Munson Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:00:16 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Hansa Brandenberg CC > > If any of you fine folks have the specs (wing span and length) of the > HB CC, would you please pass them on to me. > > Thanks, > John > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:02:38 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Tantalizing picture Message-ID: <3ABA767E.12561CA0@mars.ark.com> I had to install Aladdin expander to get at the archive then renaming them with a jpg extension allowed them to be opened in Photoshop. I was worried because they would not initially open in Compupic which normally opens anything but it eventually caught on. This first group has a Bristol scout, a Martinsyde Elephant, an obscure pre-war Bristol monoplane, a Belgian SPAD, a painting by Geoff Parker (who is sending these) of a pair of SE5's and a Salamander over some tanks, and some pictures of people and a photo truck. Anyone else want on the list? Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:18:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Solvaset Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748E1D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael > BTW, has anyone noticed that the Aussie dollar has fallen to AU$2.03? Cruel sod. > > The effective purchase rate is now 44.4 U.S cents for an > Aussie dollar due > to the 11% Aussie sales tax. Thus a AU$10 kit costs US$4.40. > So the Roden > Gotha II/III at AU$35 from NKRb Models now costs US$15.53. OTOH the Australian peso still survives at much the same level versus the easter european currencies, so kits from there aren't going up - but Erics kits now cost about 5 times as much as an Eduard. Cannot be helped. The US recession is coming, and then the currency traders will have someone else to trash. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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I will reread this and post any details I can find. more later Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Mark > Miller > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 5:45 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Jasta formation > > > Hi > Does anyone know what formation was typicaly used by Jastas > V, line ahead, line abreast, ?? > typical spacing? > I don't know if it matters but right now I'm interested in jasta 5 and 12 > > any info would be appreciated > > TIA > Mark > > > Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! > http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:36:08 -0000 From: "Francisca e Pedro Soares" To: "WW1 Modelling list" Subject: lozenge strips Message-ID: <000901c0b329$07f80660$9cdf41c2@pc1> Hi, could any of you wells of wisdom let me know ---OFF LIST (I'm still in limbo)----if the reinforcing tapes that run all round the perimeter of the wing on a lozenge covered wing would be a) a single tape of the upper lozenge or b) a tape of upper lozenge on the upper surface and a tape of lower lozenge on the lower surface meeting at the edge of the wing. Option b) does not make much sense since the purpose of the tape is to reinforce the seam where the upper loz meets the lower loz, I would think.... But I think I've seen models with option a), so the question remains. This is for my albatros cook up entry (I'll eventualy do it I'm sure, even if it takes me another year or so....) Thanks Ladies and Gents. I do miss you. Um abraço Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:58:51 -0800 (PST) From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jasta formation Message-ID: <20010322235851.81734.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Mark! Actually, then as now, formation was determined by the type of the mission, the preference of the Staffelfuehrer, and the vagaries of the wind versus ability of pilots to stay in formation. :-) There was no directive *requiring* a particular formation, but both Boelcke and Richthofen had their preferences according to mission type. BTW, Boelcke, both Richthofens, Wolff, and Schaefer tended to do a standard off-by-one V formation (one leg longer than the other) with the "extra" position going to the most experienced pilots after the CO. They themselves, sometimes (but not always) accompanied by a wingman, would fly above the formation and keep an eye on the newbies. FWIW, Sharon --- Mark asks: > Hi > Does anyone know what formation was typicaly used by > Jastas > V, line ahead, line abreast, ?? > typical spacing? > I don't know if it matters but right now I'm > interested in jasta 5 and 12 > > any info would be appreciated __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:32:56 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Amusing Message-ID: <000501c0b339$311c2610$3c39183f@cyrixp166> Spad. Ummm....Want to try DH4? Oh! That name won't sell? Spad it is then. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1124750714 Regards, Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:43:49 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Amusing/its easy Message-ID: <001001c0b343$17dcc920$1f5d570c@tom> Shame on you, it's a SPAD! 1.the last letter of spad is a d and the first letter of dh-4 is a d, which is the 4th letter of the alphabet, thus the last stays the first and the first becomes the last. = D 2.P is the sixteenth letter of the alphabet in spad and the h in dh-4 is the 8 letter of the alphabet, thus the second letter times the second letter location equals 16, =P 3.If you add up dh-4 it equals 16 and there are 3 letters in dh-4, thus 16 plus 3 equals 19, =S 4.There are 3 characters in dh-4 (ignore the seperator-, its only used for easy reading) and 4 in spad. Subtract 3 from 4=1, =A , that should be placed in the 3rd position because there are 3 characters in dh-4 of significance. 5.Thus you have SPAD. Simple Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: Amusing > Spad. Ummm....Want to try DH4? Oh! That name won't sell? Spad it is then. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1124750714 > > Regards, > Cyg. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 03:07:59 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Solvaset Message-ID: >From: Shane Weier > > > BTW, has anyone noticed that the Aussie dollar has fallen to AU$2.03? > >Cruel sod. It's great for Australian domestic producers/vendors such as for Earl at NKR Models. As you say, all this helps the Eastern European producers too. >- but Erics kits now cost about 5 times as much as an Eduard. Exactly. >Cannot be helped. The US recession is coming, and then the currency > >traders will have someone else to trash. You cannot say. traders buy when they think it's going up and sell when they think it's going down. Dollar has moved up against all European currencies too, especially those pegged to the Euro. Hannants' stuff is now fairly inexpensive. They have a sale on Pegasus stuff - Alb D.III, W.4 and the D.I/D.II - all on their way from Roden and the D.III also due from Eduard. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:11:49 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: French Nieuport 12 information Message-ID: <006d01c0b347$1e4bade0$ccf3303f@i7e2z6> Saludos, Diego - me parece que tienes razón. Aquí en California vemos mucho del fut argentino, por medio del Fox Sports Network, especialmente los juegos entre River Plate y los otros equipos. Yo tengo la suerte de poder apoyar a cualquier de los dos equipos, México o E.U., cada 4 años, como me da la santita gana. Ahorita estoy en una fase "francesa," tengo comenzados a 2 Nieuports y un SPAD, a ver se acabo con 1. ¿Otro crisis argentino? No le hace, la semana pasada, sufrimos con una crisis inventada de la energía....que dulce cosa es la pinche política, ¿no es cierto? Gabriel ----- Original Message ----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 2:15 AM Subject: RE: French Nieuport 12 information > Gabriel! > Le Coq Sportif still is alive and kicking, and clads the argie football team > (or it was Puma last year?). > D. > "El Gallo Deportivo". Patético. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ^ > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:13 AM > Subject: Re: French Nieuport 12 information > > > > One of the symbols most dear to French history is the "Coq d'Or," the > Golden > > Rooster, you're right about fighting roosters, a favorite pastime among > many > > people. When I was still racing bicycles, there was a French company > which > > made clothing called "le Coq Sportif," almost the same logo as some of our > > OT rooster insignias. Incidentally, cock fighting is still a very > popular, > > illegal "sport" in the area where I live, the Central Valley of CA. > > Gabe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David C. Fletcher > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:16 PM > > Subject: Re: French Nieuport 12 information > > > > > > > mdf@mars.ark.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What is with the French and Roosters? I'd never really consider it a > > > > war-like animal but it seems a lot of the French escadrille emblems > > > > used them... > > > > > > And the RAF had 43 Squadron, "The Fighting Cocks" - cockfights used to > > > be a popular blood sport in Europe. Roosters can be pretty nasty when > > > riled up. > > > > > > Now, when we talk about the Belgians with paper horses... > > > > > > Dave Fletcher > > > -- > > > Visit us at our Home Page: > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:21:28 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Autumn Leaf Question Message-ID: <00bc01c0b348$59e3ea60$ccf3303f@i7e2z6> Mike, Yes, it should, as the metal nose of the plane extended all the way around the plane. Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Muth and Zulick To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:32 AM Subject: Re: Autumn Leaf Question > Thanks to all who helped on the autumn leaf question. I think I'll go with > the wood underneath because that always looks cool. Should the blue gray > paint also go underneath? > Mike Muth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans Trauner" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Wednesday,March 21,2001 2:28 PM > Subject: Re: Autumn Leaf Question > > > > > underneath of the fuselage? Leave it as natural wood ? > > > > I would suggest natural wood. take a lool at > > http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/AH/DI/index.html > > > > Please note that wood is toning down to the dark and red side after the > > years. > > > > Hans > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:43:00 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: pashendale 3 view Message-ID: <001701c0b34b$5cb5a0a0$b2434c0c@tom> Hi- I think I was wrong, I think its there. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:24:49 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Amusing Message-ID: <20010323042449.21438.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> That is a UNIQUE Spad!!! --- John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > Spad. Ummm....Want to try DH4? Oh! That name won't > sell? Spad it is then. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1124750714 > > Regards, > Cyg. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:27:13 EST From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: AH aircraft modeller's site Message-ID: Of interest to AH aircraft modellers: Click Here: © Peter Plattner http://www.kukaviation.cjb.net Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:56:24 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: Amusing Message-ID: <007501c0b355$b128b140$7f01010a@jaring.my> Todd said: > That is a UNIQUE Spad!!! > > > --- John & Allison Cyganowski > wrote: > > Spad. Ummm....Want to try DH4? Oh! That name won't > > sell? Spad it is then. > > I guess that's Matt Nungesser behind that one... Volker ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3216 **********************