WWI Digest 3212 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Heller Spad 7 by David Fleming 2) RE: Rib tapes by Shane Weier 3) RE: Rib Tapes by Shane Weier 4) RE: Taube by Shane Weier 5) Re: Salmson 2A2 by Todd Hayes 6) Re: Salmson 2A2 by Todd Hayes 7) Re: French Nieuport 12 information by "David C. Fletcher" 8) Re: Heller Spad 7 by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 9) Re: French Nieuport 12 information by MAnde72343@aol.com 10) Faller Expert Plastic Cement by "Bob Pearson" 11) Morane Saulnier AI Pilot's Step by "diaphus" 12) Re: Bombs Away!! Dave Your N.12 is on the Way by "David Calhoun" 13) Re: Morane Saulnier AI Pilot's Step by Todd Hayes 14) OT Books by "TOM PLESHA" 15) Re: Scale Models RIP by Karen Rychlewski 16) Re: French Nieuport 12 information by =?iso-8859-1?B?Xg0=?= 17) Robert Fabris Please by Todd Hayes 18) Mr Kit PC-10 by "Paul E. Thompson" 19) RE: Heller Spad 7 by Crawford Neil 20) RE: Scale Models RIP by Crawford Neil 21) RE: Scale Models RIP by "Sandy Adam" 22) Re: Scale Models RIP by David Fleming 23) Re: Morane Saulnier AI Pilot's Step by "Matt Bittner" 24) Italian references, was Re: Scale Models RIP by "Matt Bittner" 25) RE: Brandenberg W-20 by Crawford Neil 26) Cockerels was: French Nieuport 12 information by "Michael Kendix" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:29:47 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Heller Spad 7 Message-ID: <3AB7D9DB.B89ACB6@dial.pipex.com> Shane Weier wrote: > Neil, > > > During a boring meeting this morning I got to thinking of > > future 1/36 projects. IMO 1/36 is the only way to go, for > > avoiding the scratch-jinx. > > Is that why Alan Clark uses it ? > > If Harry Woodman is a Saint, then Alan Clark is a God.In the last issue of Scale Models his Halifax, which he covered in metal 'just so that he could weather it realistically' was amazing ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:22:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Rib tapes Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748DFD@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Lance, > > I used two because they were pre-painted in slight variants > of the upper and lower colors for contrast... but I could > have painted them half-and-half, couldn't I? Personally I doubt that many aircraft had different tape colours top and bottom, but I always tape both simultaneously (around the LE) and on the one occasion I *did* build an aircraft which needed different colours I did exactly as you propose. It works fine. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:30:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Rib Tapes Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748DFE@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Andrei says: > My experience has been that it's hard enough to manage decal > rib tapes one > side at at time, rather than trying to wrap one piece all the > way around the > wing... it doesn't save time, just causes frustration! Yet another example of the "different strokes...." reality of most modelling skills. I do this all the time and find it far easier than doing top/bottom and twice as fast. Just like the way you get one modeller praising as utterly forgiving and the next damning it as un-useable. (Or it could explain the difference between Andrei's work and mine LOL) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:36:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Taube Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748DFF@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Mike, > As far as bookstores like Amazon - I won't have anything to do with > them anymore. Amazons problem is that this is true of most of the book buying public. IMHO when the suckers who bought their shares half way up the rise realise that there are no profits and no hope of more capital gain on their shares they'll go under. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Salmson 2A2 Message-ID: <20010320233947.34114.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Merrill and Matt, Scale Aircraft Drawings, vol.1, gives two surviving Salmsons. One in Japan, another in Belgium. Todd --- Matt Bittner wrote: > You really need to turn MIME/HTML off. Speaking of > which, tomorrow > I'll post screen shots to the site for Outlook and > Outlook Express. > > "Out of curiosity, I decided to start checking and > see if there were > any Salmsons in museums or whatever. I used the list > links as a start, > and branched out all over the net, and came up with > nothing. (BTW Jim, > of seven listings for the Salmson 2A2 web search, > four are yours). Does > anyone know of a surviving Salmson?" > > Doesn't Jim link to the one in Japan? I think this > may be the only one > left. > > > Matt Bittner > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:44:05 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Salmson 2A2 Message-ID: <20010320234405.34517.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Jim, Besides the Japanese example, one is also supposed to exist in Belgium. See "Scale Aircraft Drawings" vol. Todd --- Jim Landon wrote: > <> > > Nope. Ain't none. AFAIK. They have part of a > delapidated fuselage of one > in Japan. I was just staring at photos of it last > night trying to figure > something out. > > Have you seen the japanese replica? > http://www2.gol.com/users/myhrman/desalm.htm > > Jim > > >From: MAnde72343@aol.com > >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > >Subject: Salmson 2A2 > >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:40:26 -0500 (EST) > > > >--part1_b0.11f51f8e.27e926a6_boundary > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Out of curiosity, I decided to start checking and > see if there were any > >Salmsons in museums or whatever. I used the list > links as a start, and > >branched out all over the net, and came up with > nothing. (BTW Jim, of seven > >listings for the Salmson 2A2 web search, four are > yours). Does anyone know > >of > >a surviving Salmson? > >Merrill > > > >--part1_b0.11f51f8e.27e926a6_boundary > >Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Out > of curiosity, I decided > >to start checking and see if there were any > >
Salmsons in museums or whatever. I used the > list links as a start, and > >
branched out all over the net, and came up with > nothing. (BTW Jim, of > >seven > >
listings for the Salmson 2A2 web search, four > are yours). Does anyone > >know of > >
a surviving Salmson? > >
Merrill > > > >--part1_b0.11f51f8e.27e926a6_boundary-- > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:17:35 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Nieuport 12 information Message-ID: <3AB7F31F.3020106@mars.ark.com> mdf@mars.ark.com wrote: > What is with the French and Roosters? I'd never really consider it a > war-like animal but it seems a lot of the French escadrille emblems > used them... And the RAF had 43 Squadron, "The Fighting Cocks" - cockfights used to be a popular blood sport in Europe. Roosters can be pretty nasty when riled up. Now, when we talk about the Belgians with paper horses... Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:45:05 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: Heller Spad 7 Message-ID: <003c01c0b1a0$30a6dee0$7f01010a@jaring.my> > Shane Weier wrote: > > > Neil, > > > > > During a boring meeting this morning I got to thinking of > > > future 1/36 projects. IMO 1/36 is the only way to go, for > > > avoiding the scratch-jinx. > > > > Is that why Alan Clark uses it ? > > > > > IIRC, Tony Woolett also went for 1/36, and he did some amazing work as well, especially on between-the-wars British civil stuff. and to bring it back OT: I remember some amazing 1/28 scratchbuilds I saw a number of times in the early 90ties at London's Southern Expo. Especially a Bristol M1C (one of my *real* favorites) and a DH 5. Has anyone seen them as well, and was that St. Harry or Woolett behind (I'm quite sure it was one of these 2) Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:49:08 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Nieuport 12 information Message-ID: <73.bfab25d.27e95484@aol.com> --part1_73.bfab25d.27e95484_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very ot, but the shogun era Japanese used to have a lot of rabbit motifs on their armor- helmets with long ears, etc., because the rabbit was a symbol of virility, then and there. Merrill --part1_73.bfab25d.27e95484_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very ot, but the shogun era Japanese used to have a lot of rabbit motifs on
their armor- helmets with long ears, etc., because the rabbit was a symbol of
virility, then and there.
Merrill --part1_73.bfab25d.27e95484_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:53:14 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Faller Expert Plastic Cement Message-ID: <200103210054.QAA20327@mail.rapidnet.net> Well, after 13 years and at least 100 or more models, I finally finished off my trusty bottle of Faller Expert Plastic Cement. This is by far and away the best model glue I have used.. the 25g bottle comes with a metal tube for getting a drop into those tight spots and also allows a deal of control in application .. and when it clogs up you just run it through a flame while squeezing and you get a very satisfying pyrotechnic show .. and the added benefit of hot gue that dries almost immediately. Luckily I prepared for this sad day by having another listee pick up a new bottle for me two years ago when it first showed signs of expiring .. but like the Energizer bunny (or Leslie Nielsen in a bunny suit), it went on forever ... nb: Flowers. .. lots of them .. from the 1/72 Revell to the 1/400 L'Arsenal. . they're ot you say? their main armament was OT surplus nl: Diana Krall's tribute to Nat King Cole nr: email Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:30:46 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Morane Saulnier AI Pilot's Step Message-ID: <011001c0b1ae$ef887fe0$a0371c18@tampabay.rr.com> In looking at pictures of the restored MoS AI at the Fantasy of Flight Museum, I noticed that the pilot's step is painted bright red. Is this accurate, or just a restoration embellishment? TIA Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:13:20 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Bombs Away!! Dave Your N.12 is on the Way Message-ID: <007a01c0b1ce$085f0c40$08e23ccc@oemcomputer> Thanks Todd... Heading for my bunker! Dave C -----Original Message----- From: Todd Hayes To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Bombs Away!! Dave Your N.12 is on the Way >Dave, > >It went off today. Just watch the sky for the B.52. > >Todd > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:10:28 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Morane Saulnier AI Pilot's Step Message-ID: <20010321031028.58411.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Jack, The AI shown on the cover of the MDF appears to have a pale blue step. Todd --- diaphus wrote: > In looking at pictures of the restored MoS AI at the > Fantasy of Flight > Museum, I noticed that the pilot's step is painted > bright red. Is this > accurate, or just a restoration embellishment? > > TIA > > Jack Gartner > diaphus@tampabay.rr.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:19:50 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: OT Books Message-ID: <000501c0b1be$2cd78bc0$9b424c0c@tom> Anyone interested- In the toys/hobby/craft section under the subheading air, on e-bay, there are some OT books available. One of which is the Taube book by deVries I have already obtained. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:50:19 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Scale Models RIP Message-ID: <3AB8330A.577F2DC0@earthlink.net> ...and let me know also! I have more reference material for Polish planes and operations in 1919-1920 than Italian during all of WWI. Is this just because they haven't been translated, or is there really so little on early Italian aviation? (she said hoping that Alberto C. is tuning in...) Dame Karen RadspadMike@netscape.net wrote: > Again we agree, Michael. I have the FMP books you mention (the A-H tome is on the way and I don't want to talk about how much I paid for it!), also Bruce's "British Aeroplanes, 1914-18", which pretty much takes care of the heavyweights. Of course the DFs and several AirBritain "Files". German aircraft are pretty well covered in the DFs, Specials and several smaller books. If I could identify and find some definitive and comprehensive works on OT Italian aircraft and operations in English, I'd feel that I had a good basic reference library. > > Any suggestions about OT Italian subjects, anyone? > > TIA, > > Mike K. > > mkendix@hotmail.com wrote: > > > I agree completely.  I mainly spend money on the most "direct" reference > > sources, so if the Datafile is available, I would probably get it. I also > > have the FMP French, IRAS and A-H tomes, which are really excellent. > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:11:58 -0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?B?Xg0=?= To: Subject: Re: French Nieuport 12 information Message-ID: <002701c0b1c5$74d28040$e1f7303f@i7e2z6> One of the symbols most dear to French history is the "Coq d'Or," the Golden Rooster, you're right about fighting roosters, a favorite pastime among many people. When I was still racing bicycles, there was a French company which made clothing called "le Coq Sportif," almost the same logo as some of our OT rooster insignias. Incidentally, cock fighting is still a very popular, illegal "sport" in the area where I live, the Central Valley of CA. Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: David C. Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: Re: French Nieuport 12 information > mdf@mars.ark.com wrote: > > > > What is with the French and Roosters? I'd never really consider it a > > war-like animal but it seems a lot of the French escadrille emblems > > used them... > > And the RAF had 43 Squadron, "The Fighting Cocks" - cockfights used to > be a popular blood sport in Europe. Roosters can be pretty nasty when > riled up. > > Now, when we talk about the Belgians with paper horses... > > Dave Fletcher > -- > Visit us at our Home Page: > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:22:59 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Robert Fabris Please Message-ID: <20010321052259.79159.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Bob, I still haven't received the DFS's. Please have your post office put a tracer on them. They were mailed by you on March, 1. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:53:28 +0100 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Mr Kit PC-10 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010321075013.00adca60@pop.xs4all.nl> >Michael, Aha!. Chemistry! Thanks. I guess I was fooled by the initial speedy surface drying into assuming it was fully cured, when it wasn't. Indeed the attempt at Futuring was about 6 hours after the final PC10 coat. Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:17:23 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Heller Spad 7 Message-ID: Although I too think that the Halifax is fantastic/wonderful etc. I still think that Allan Clark can only be a saint. It was Harry Woodman who wrote the book, and who really led the way, Allan Clark is a prophet, but there can only be one God! /Neil Dave wrote: > If Harry Woodman is a Saint, then Alan Clark is a God.In the > last issue of > Scale Models his Halifax, which he covered in metal 'just so > that he could > weather it realistically' was amazing > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:59:47 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Scale Models RIP Message-ID: Yes, Joel Christie is a good modeller. He should be on the list. Does anyone know him, so he can be told? /Neil > It's a pity we won't see any more of the recent run of scratchbuilding > articles (WW1 aircraft too!) by Joel Christie. Not because he > has anything > much new to say, but because there's a generation of > modellers out there who > don't seem to think it's possible to build any kit more > dificult than a > Tamiya and whose eyes might be opened by these now almost > unique articles > > Shane > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:26:37 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WWI Modelling List" Subject: RE: Scale Models RIP Message-ID: <000e01c0b1e9$3c926fa0$29e8b094@sandyada> >It's a pity we won't see any more of the recent run of scratchbuilding >articles (WW1 aircraft too!) by Joel Christie... 'Course we will - he'll just send 'em to SAM or SAMI now. Sandy PS Still don't understand this downer on SAMI - I started off getting the occasional issue, now I tend to buy it anyway. Last two issues had OT build articles on Eduard Albatri (2), and Flashback Berg, as well as a lot of good general stuff. (IMHO) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:57:14 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Scale Models RIP Message-ID: <3AB87AF9.A9203568@dial.pipex.com> Sandy Adam wrote: > >It's a pity we won't see any more of the recent run of scratchbuilding > >articles (WW1 aircraft too!) by Joel Christie... > > 'Course we will - he'll just send 'em to SAM or SAMI now. > Joel's already been in SAM, and SAM had Albatros articles last month and promised for this month. > > > PS Still don't understand this downer on SAMI - I started off getting the > occasional issue, now I tend to buy it anyway. Last two issues had OT build > articles on Eduard Albatri (2), and Flashback Berg, as well as a lot of > good general stuff. (IMHO) Usual American 'Not Invented Here' syndrome :-) Seriously, I like the magazine, but am not overly fond of the 'style' of the prose - it's too 'matey' for my likeing. BUT, it has had more OT than any other mainstream magazine over the last few years - I especially liked their colour Berg walkround ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 04:53:25 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Morane Saulnier AI Pilot's Step Message-ID: <200103211053.CAA02392@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:32:54 -0500 (EST), diaphus wrote: > In looking at pictures of the restored MoS AI at the Fantasy of Flight > Museum, I noticed that the pilot's step is painted bright red. Is this > accurate, or just a restoration embellishment? It appears to me to be an embellishment. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 04:55:57 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Italian references, was Re: Scale Models RIP Message-ID: <200103211056.CAA14720@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:59:00 -0500 (EST), Karen Rychlewski wrote: > ..and let me know also! I have more reference material for Polish planes and operations in 1919-1920 than Italian during all of WWI. Is this just because they haven't been translated, or is there really so little on early Italian aviation? Just so little, right now. There is a book by Robert Gentile that's supposed to be translated, but that was sometime last year. Hopefully they're still planning on it. Plus, Alberto appears to be handling more as well - witness the latest - and recent past issues - of Windsock. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:33:04 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Brandenberg W-20 Message-ID: When I belatedly looked this up, I found a reference to Windsock 1-95 as well as 2-89. I haven't checked it. FWIW/Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Rychlewski [mailto:krychski@earthlink.net] > Sent: den 19 mars 2001 19:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Brandenberg W-20 > > > Good morning, Jon > > Lone Star made a vac/resin kit in 1/48 and Airframe reissued > a vac kit in about > 1986--don't know if either are currently available. I built > the Airframe kit: > cute little thing with a wingspan of about 3.5 inches. > > Reference Material: WWI Aero No. 110, July, 1986, had a > review of the Airframe > kit, and Windsock No. 6, 1991, had a review of the Lone Star > kit. Also, Windsock > No. 2, 1989, was a special 'seaplane' issue and had a photo > or two of the W.20 > and also a nicely done model. WWI Aero, No. 119, April, 1988, > has an article by > Peter Grosz titled "German Submarine Aircraft of World War > One" of which half is > devoted to the W.20--pictures of all three built. I can send > you copies, but not > until mid-April... > > Dame Karen > > > VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com wrote: > > > Good morning fellow listee's, I have a few questions for > the list this > > morning. First, since my interests are in the area of > seaplanes and pushers I > > was wondering if anyone knew of a good kit or kits of the > Brandenberg W-20, > > all scales considered. Second, my only reference material > is the Harleyford > > Marine aircraft book, is there any other material readily > available? Third, > > as my material mentions that there was only three of these aircraft > > constructed, I'm thinking that there's not going to be much > difference in the > > color scheme, my picture shows it wearing Navy hex any > ideas in this area, > > what about the colors for the undersides of the wings > fuselage sides, floats, > > etc.? > > > > Thanks to everyone for the help you given me > over this past year > > and a half, I learn more everyday reading everyone's > postings than I do in > > all the books I have available. This list is a blessing and > you people are > > the best I have ever had the pleasure to associate with. > > > > Best regards, > > Jon > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:07:02 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Cockerels was: French Nieuport 12 information Message-ID: Gabe: The cockerel also appears on the French national soccer and rugby team's jerseys. The motif is not limited to France - Tottenham Hotspur Football Club in North London have it on their badge - it is wearing "Spurs". Michael >From: ^ >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: French Nieuport 12 information >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:13:51 -0500 (EST) > >One of the symbols most dear to French history is the "Coq d'Or," the >Golden >Rooster, you're right about fighting roosters, a favorite pastime among >many >people. When I was still racing bicycles, there was a French company which >made clothing called "le Coq Sportif," almost the same logo as some of our >OT rooster insignias. Incidentally, cock fighting is still a very popular, >illegal "sport" in the area where I live, the Central Valley of CA. >Gabe >----- Original Message ----- >From: David C. Fletcher >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:16 PM >Subject: Re: French Nieuport 12 information > > > > mdf@mars.ark.com wrote: > > > > > > > What is with the French and Roosters? I'd never really consider it a > > > war-like animal but it seems a lot of the French escadrille emblems > > > used them... > > > > And the RAF had 43 Squadron, "The Fighting Cocks" - cockfights used to > > be a popular blood sport in Europe. Roosters can be pretty nasty when > > riled up. > > > > Now, when we talk about the Belgians with paper horses... > > > > Dave Fletcher > > -- > > Visit us at our Home Page: > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3212 **********************