WWI Digest 3199 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) was - Obvious Datafile Omissions - now trainers question??? by "Ray Boorman" 2) Re: Gotha color help by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions by MAnde72343@aol.com 4) RE: Obvious Datafile Omissions by "Ray Boorman" 5) Breguet 14wasRe: Obvious Datafile Omissions by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Flying the flag.. by "Sandy Adam" 7) RE: Flying the flag.. by Shane Weier 8) OT football WAS: was - Obvious Datafile Omissions - now trainers by Shane Weier 9) RE: Jenny References + history by Shane Weier 10) Re: Flying the flag.. by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 11) RE: Gotha color help by Shane Weier 12) RE: Merlin kits by Shane Weier 13) RE: the brain as sponge wasRe: Jenny References by Shane Weier 14) Re: Jenny combatant role by "Michael Kendix" 15) Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions by "Diego Fernetti" 16) Re: Jenny combatant role by "Diego Fernetti" 17) Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions by "Michael Kendix" 18) Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions by "Michael Kendix" 19) Re: Merlin kits by "Hans Trauner" 20) RE: Merlin kits by Volker Haeusler 21) Re: Jenny combatant role by =?iso-8859-1?B?zAE=?= 22) German influence on mexican music, was Re: Jenny combatant role by Ernest Thomas 23) Germans in South America - was Jenny combatant role by "VIKSproc" 24) Re: Germans in South America - was Jenny combatant role by MAnde72343@aol.com 25) an interesting website by "Gaston Graf" 26) RE: Jenny References + history by "Brad & Merville" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:59:41 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: was - Obvious Datafile Omissions - now trainers question??? Message-ID: Lol Michael, The weekend always delivers, the only thing is its darn well over before you realise it. Trying to tie two threads together, The Americans had the Jenny and the British had the 504 and the clutching hand DH6. What was the primary trainer of the Central powers and France. or was there no single type that came to the forefront for these countries?? Ray - I never did Like George Graham. He was a scummy Arsenal Player, smells way to much of a sneak to me..... > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Michael > Kendix > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 7:56 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Obvious Datafile Omissions > > > >On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:34:40 -0500 (EST), Ray Boorman wrote: > > > >tsk Tsk Breguet 14. > > All this call for French stuff! Who's interested in that anyway? :) > The fact I'm building a Nieuport 17 right now in Italian colours > only proves > my point. The point being..... I've forgotten. Oh yes, there'll be a > Sopwith Cuckoo Datafile before any of those done for the Caudron, Breguet > thingies. If you want to build French, just do a Sopwith 1 1/2 > Strutter in > French markings - we have two separate Datafiles for that and 6 > different > kits in 1/72nd scale. > > It's Friday! The weekend always promises more than it delivers. > > Michael > > P.S. Ray, we sacked that ex-Scummer George "The bung" Graham today! > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:08:49 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Gotha color help Message-ID: <105.5c04bd.27e45971@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/01 6:31:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << But! Gets Helen Hunt! :-) How bad can life be? Cyg. >> yeah, but sooner or later, DB's gonna come by and scrape off a color sample....I know I couldn't live under that kind of anxiety! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:09:52 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions Message-ID: <82.847a828.27e459b0@aol.com> --part1_82.847a828.27e459b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray, the USAAS used the Bruguet, you'd think there would be enough data "here" for a Datafile. IIRC, the AF museum HAS a Breguet in it's collection. There ought to be some way to get the information. Merrill --part1_82.847a828.27e459b0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray, the USAAS used the Bruguet, you'd think there would be enough data
"here" for a Datafile. IIRC, the AF museum HAS a Breguet in it's collection.
There ought to be some way to get the information.
Merrill --part1_82.847a828.27e459b0_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:15:19 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Obvious Datafile Omissions Message-ID: I agree Robert, Harry Woodman obviously loves his subject and hates to see bad or inacurate information. The In action German Bombers book is a prime example. Woodman takes Peter Cooksley to task because he thought Peter Cooksley was making guesses and not spending enough time with original or good quality photo's. His point was that it wasnt just typo's but shoddy and misleading research. Harry Woodman also went the extra mile and wrote new captions for a lot of mis-labelled pictures in the in action book. This imho is what a critique should be. Something that doesnt just say this is wrong, but tells you why, cites the research and tries to correct the problem. Plus Harry gets across in his writing how much he really cares about the subject. Just my two cents. Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of > KarrArt@aol.com > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 6:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions > > > In a message dated 3/16/01 6:16:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, > mkendix@hotmail.com writes: > > << I don't think Harry Woodman "...blows a lot of hot air."; that > would imply > he doesn't know what he's talking about. I do think, however, he is > extremely critical of kit manufacturers that don't get their kits > sufficiently accurate. He has very high standards in this regard, >> > > I don't think he's pompous- he has been known to correct himself > , but he > does show exasperation with with those who do less than their > best. He's a > strict schoolmaster no doubt, but he has the track record to back > it all up. > I've yet to see anything he's written be mean spirited...stern > yes, mean- no. > RK > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:50:28 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Breguet 14wasRe: Obvious Datafile Omissions Message-ID: C&C/Int 21/2 1990 had a nice 17 page article on the Breguet 14, with good looking detailed drawings -4 sheets by Mick Davis of both the A and B with the goofy auto-flaps, with internal structure shown(don't know about the accuracy- I never know that about any set of drawings until I start working with them directly for some project)...lots of photos- it could almost be the beginnings of a dandy Datafile. Toss in a few closeup shots of the existing examples, slap out a few color schemes....and BINGO- there ya go! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:08:14 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WWI Modelling List" Subject: Flying the flag.. Message-ID: <003e01c0aeca$776e0660$36e8b094@sandyada> We had our annual tri-branch open competition last night in Stirling club house - good attendance from Perth, Fife and Central Scotland clubs, but my heart sank a bit when I saw that I was the sole exhibitor of a WWI subject. Lots of modern tanks and helicopters, WW2 planes and jets, lorries, cars, figures, a wooden Viking ship (!) and my lonely 1/48 Pfalz DIIIa (Holtzem). Well did it not go and win? Let me say right away that plenty of the other models were easily good enough to have taken 1st prize, but this was an open competition with everybody present ranking their favourites in 1-2-3 order. Lots of the guys said they thought the Pfalz was so different from their usual tastes and asked about good biplane kits to try. So hopefully the message is getting across and we'll see Eduard Nieuports and Albatrosse appearing over the next few months! Nil carborundum bastardum (Don't let the b*ggers grind you down) Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:20:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Flying the flag.. Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748DB7@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Sandy, > >my lonely 1/48 Pfalz DIIIa (Holtzem). > > Well did it not go and win? Congratulations ! > Lots of the guys > said they thought the Pfalz was so different from their usual > tastes and > asked about good biplane kits to try. So hopefully the > message is getting > across and we'll see Eduard Nieuports and Albatrosse > appearing over the next few months! And even more congrats for this. IMO this really is the way to promote our genre - you just have to show them how colourfull and interesting the subjects can be - then when they comment, beat them about the head about how good the newer kits are and encourage them to try. Great work Sandy. I'm most impressed, and hope I have the opportunity to spread the word this effectively myself this year. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:30:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: OT football WAS: was - Obvious Datafile Omissions - now trainers Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748DB8@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> > Ray - I never did Like George Graham. He was a scummy Arsenal > Player, smells > way to much of a sneak to me..... (thinks) "Suckers bought him and look where they are now - gone from being the most boring football side in England to the most boring side in the world" Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:37:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Jenny References + history Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748DB9@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Brad passes on some info: > * Most of the above information was obtained from the > article: Curtiss and > Crown Pts. 1-2, Insignia Magazine vols. 14-15 Also now available on Cams web site, and in a recent 1914-18 Journal. > Granted these were civilian aircraft but they did train > AFC pilots on Aussie soil. True. And there were only *two* of them, which may explain why the aircraft is virtually unknown in Australia. The AFC's own training establishment was at Point Cook, using Deperdussins, Longhorns, Shorthorns and Be's (and later more modern aircraft), and gets plenty of mention in Cutlacks official history. The private lying school is hardly mentioned - if at all - so unless you research private flying schools you'd never know they were there. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 07:33:33 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Flying the flag.. Message-ID: <001301c0aede$7c18d9b0$3138183f@cyrixp166> Congratualtion on the personal win & a hearty "well done" for spreading the word! Sandy writes: > > Well did it not go and win? > Let me say right away that plenty of the other models were easily good > enough to have taken 1st prize, but this was an open competition with > everybody present ranking their favourites in 1-2-3 order. Lots of the guys > said they thought the Pfalz was so different from their usual tastes and > asked about good biplane kits to try. So hopefully the message is getting > across and we'll see Eduard Nieuports and Albatrosse appearing over the next > few months! > > Nil carborundum bastardum (Don't let the b*ggers grind you down) > Sandy > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:41:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Gotha color help Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748DBA@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hans, > > > >maybe a bad German cheese would be better. > >RK > > There are NO bad german cheese ! That's right. Really rub it right in to poor Volker, who gets to subsist on processed cheddar slices ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:46:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Merlin kits Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748DBB@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hey Todd, > Sorry Jim, Dave Calhoun already claimed it. Consider > yourself saved. You might have died while laughing > too hard and rolling on the floor after looking at it. Do you think Dave doesn't have a sense of humour, or just not care if *he* expires laughing? ;-) <===== joking! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:54:34 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: the brain as sponge wasRe: Jenny References Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748DBC@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> RK says: > An old OtF published a graph showing subject > matter over the > entire C&C US run, and it was solidly British. Maybe a > function of more and better records. What he said. A lot more war to write about, so it's pretty well inevitable. It's rather a pity that we can't easily access similar material from French, Italian, Russian, German, Italian and Belgian journals. All of them had more war to write about today. However, language difficulties aside, where are the equivalent specialist WW1 *only* jornals to OtF and C&CI (and in minor degree the 1914-18 Journal)? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:06:32 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: >From: "Matt Bittner" >"And P-47's, and B-25's and A-20's and even the TU-44 (a copy of the >B-29), >but to bring this more OT, the Polikarpov P-1 was a copy of the DH-9a, >down >to the Liberty engine." > >Sorry, but I can't let this slide by. It was actually the Polikarpov >R-1. This is sometimes confused because a cyrillic "P" is a roman "R". Apparently, St. Cyril picked up a bunch of letters from the greek alphabet and the greek "rho" looks like a "P". I know it's Off topic but Matt's & Eric Pilawski's WW2 USSR Air Force (GPW VVS) site contains some nice build ups - including a red star C-47, P-40, P-39, P-51. http://www.kithobbyist.com/VVS/ Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:08:23 -0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions Message-ID: Seriously, I'd like to see at least an "special" of those strange prototypes... yesterday evening I dragged out the old "Jane's" and checked again for the Naglo graceful quadruplane. Sort of an albatros triplane with a large keel under the fuselage, much in the fashion of the drawings on the latest Windsock (I can't remember the name of THAT plane drawn by Colin Owers). If the Floh had so many kits produced and an article on WW1 warplanes Vol.1 why not the Naglo? I'm sure that there must be more pictures of it besides that on the Jane's book. D. I love the stranger (not in the same meaning than David Bowie) ;-) >From: KarrArt@aol.com ><< Naglo Quadruplane, Datafile #125546 > > D. >> > >OK- I'll see that and raise it to the Geest Single Seater.....DF# 125549 >RK _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:12:57 -0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: A small ot comment: My glider instructor, who was a cadet in the argie air force in the early 50's, had once a special class by a german gentleman who gave them an excellent disertation about air combat and fighters tactics. His name was different then, but later when he emigrated to the U.S. he regained his true name: Adolf Galland! D. PS: He also got to fle one of those strange flying wing prototype gliders made by the Horten brothers in Argentina >From: MAnde72343@aol.com >Lee, most of 'those' Germans arrived after the second mess, (a smaller lot >arrived after the first) a lot of ex-SS and Nazi Party types who flooded >all >of Latin America, (Mengle, Eichmann, etc.) who knew that modest bribes >would >keep the local authorities 'uninterested' in them, and as most of those >governments were right wing military dictatorships _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:22:24 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions Message-ID: >From: Todd Hayes > >Italy too. What. There's the Caproni Ca.3 and the >Ansaldo SVA5? Todd: There's an SVA5 Datafile. I don't remember if it's the only Italian one. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:25:22 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions Message-ID: Todd: Sorry, I thought you meant there "wasn't" these subjetcs. Whoops! Got turned around. Michael >From: Todd Hayes >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:57:06 -0500 (EST) > >Italy too. What. There's the Caproni Ca.3 and the >Ansaldo SVA5? > >Todd > > >--- Michael Kendix wrote: > > >From: KarrArt@aol.com > > > > >dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: > > > > > ><< Naglo Quadruplane, Datafile #125546 > > > > > >OK- I'll see that and raise it to the Geest Single > > Seater.....DF# 125549 > > > > > > Lebed XIV "Grand". > > > > IRAS is neglected, except the Il'ya special, by the > > Datafile series. Not > > that I'm really worried about that. > > > > Michael > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:50:16 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Merlin kits Message-ID: <001401c0aee9$32e2a0e0$86a372d4@custom-pc> >I have the 1/48 Salmson. It has possibilities. > >Cyg. I have several kits from them. 1/72 Ju J.I, Halb D.II, Rol D.II, D.H. 5, Fok D VII 1/48 Alb D II. You have to judge them not with a view from the 2000's but from the early middle eighties last century. Their predecessors where Veeday kits, and believe me community, we even where happy to have those! Thick wings etc. only where a time consuming problem, not more. Never forget: State of art at that time was a Revell's Fokker DrI ! To have no interiors was standard, no usable props, guns, wheels also. Decals??? Uuuaahhh! I managed to make a hobby shop his own WWI decals! But of course it was a relief when Chris Gannon cut his connections to Vagn Espensen completely and made his Pegasus line! Vagn Espensen was ( and maybe he still is) a man with some strong sort of self confidence and he thought everything is o.k.. Whatever happened to him and his wife Pam Day ( remember Vee Day !) ?? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 03:51:40 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Merlin kits Message-ID: Hans said: "I have several kits from them. 1/72 Ju J.I, Halb D.II, Rol D.II, D.H. 5, Fok D VII 1/48 Alb D II. You have to judge them not with a view from the 2000's but from the early middle eighties last century." Same for me: Reading those mails on Merlin made me look at my old kits, and I must say that IMHO many of the older Merlins are not THAT bad. To Hans list (and I think you meant the Fokker D VIII, Hans) I also would add the DH 9A and the Rumpler C IV.The Junkers J I actually is excellent when it comes to surface detail (at least in my example). I think later on the main problem became varying quality. My AEG G IV does not look that bad (even though the Classic Plane vac definitely is better, and the Sierra one maybe in a class of it´s own - I don´t have the last one), but some others (namely the Rumpler D I, the LVG D XVI and the Aviatik C I/Aviatik 30.40 double kit) are really horrible. But basically we must see that this was all the time when you had those old Aurora, Airfix and Revell kits, the Classic Plane vacs and the Merlin (and before Veeday) kits - I wonder wether without this we would now have the selection we have today. And looking on what some people made out of this material (I remember Hans´ Veeday Pfalz D III in the German publication modell magazin), we maybe are too spoilt by now? Volker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:51:05 -0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?B?zAE=?= To: Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <002701c0af13$3953b340$40f3303f@i7e2z6> Can't let this go by - Mexico sent a squadron to the Phillipines flying P-47s (Escuadrón 201) who were attached to the 58th F.G. To bring this back sort of OT, the reason I'm a U.S. citizen is because my grandparents fled México during the 1910 Revolution. BTW, Mexican music is a mixture of many influences, including German, but is primarily indigenous by and from the Mexican people. As far as the air war in the Mexican Revolution, there was an air action as far back as either 1910-11 involving the bombing of some ships in the harbor at Guyamas, Sonora. My grandmother told me that she remembered seeing airplanes in the Sonora/Sinaloa area during that time period, but being an ignorant young fool at the time, I didn't ask for any more info. regards, Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role > > --part1_27.1279cb1b.27e4467d_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > It's in the Squadron P-47 book, the Mexicans flew a squadron of 47s in Italy. > Merrill > > --part1_27.1279cb1b.27e4467d_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > It's in the Squadron P-47 book, the Mexicans flew a squadron of 47s in Italy. >
Merrill > > --part1_27.1279cb1b.27e4467d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:30:56 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: German influence on mexican music, was Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <3AB39140.A8C23ADE@bellsouth.net> MAnde72343@aol.com wrote: The musical connection was probably from a bunch of > Czech 'refugees' that arrived in the 1840s. Actually, the polka influence came from a wave of Germans who settled in south Texas during the 19th century. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:30:34 +0100 From: "VIKSproc" To: Subject: Germans in South America - was Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <0103179848.AA984845888@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> Hei, To bring this back to something more OT, do not forget the role that Lufthansa had in setting up airlines all over the world using experienced WW1 pilots. I believe VARIG of Brazil stated that they had been co-operating with Lufthansa for some 75 years. There were quite a few German sounding names among the airline pioneers in Brazil, and that in a country which sent airmen to fight on the Allied side in both wars. Same thing happened in Soviet, China and many other countries where airlines operated various Junkers aircraft with support from Lufthansa. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:29:58 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Germans in South America - was Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <3b.11e089de.27e51536@aol.com> --part1_3b.11e089de.27e51536_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't forget the Zeppelins. Merrill --part1_3b.11e089de.27e51536_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't forget the Zeppelins.
Merrill --part1_3b.11e089de.27e51536_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:10:17 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: an interesting website Message-ID: Friends, a visitor of Jasta Boelcke just submitted this link to add it to my links page: http://members.aol.com/tgenth/ I took a look at the site - it's very interesting! The webmasters grandfather served with the German Air Service in WW1 and his father was a pilot in WWII, being shot down and badly wounded in action while flying a longnose Fw-190. enjoy Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:35:07 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: RE: Jenny References + history Message-ID: <003401c0af19$80bd32a0$0a895ad1@default> Shane wrote: "True. And there were only *two* of them, which may explain why the aircraft is virtually unknown in Australia." In Insignia Magazine Vol. 15, pg. 76, Mr. Neville Hayes states: "The two Curtiss Jennies had by now performed over 600 flights. Stutt still wanted Farmans, and a request was sent to London at the end of January 1917 asking for them. Simultaneously, a request was sent to New York asking for quotes on two latest model Jennies, which would be acceptable in lieu of Farmans. On 16 February 1917 the Agent-General in London reported that the fifteen or so people who had to be consulted were still delaying and nothing definite had been decided. By 21 February the school staff had given up in disgust, and ordered the Curtiss machines. They were shipped on 19 May to Australia aboard the SS Opawa. Concern was expressed on 12 June that they might not arrive now that America had entered the war, but they turned up on 16 July 1917." ...bringing the total number of Jennies in Australia to *four*. Which may still explain why the aircraft is virtually unknown in Australia. ; ) Brad Whose picking nits with people on the other side of the planet because he's grown tired of gluing monofilament festooned struts to his fingers and assorted tools. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3199 **********************