WWI Digest 3198 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Fab Tab's bad flick wasRe: Jenny References by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Re: Have fun storming the castle! by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: Jenny References by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: british pushers by KarrArt@aol.com 5) St. Harry and the Sword of Coothood wasRe: Obvious Datafile Omissions by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: Gotha color help by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Nungesser clues ? by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Re: Jenny References by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions by KarrArt@aol.com 11) Re: the brain as sponge wasRe: Jenny References by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Gotha color help by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 13) Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions by "Michael Kendix" 14) Re: Jenny combatant role by MAnde72343@aol.com 15) Re: Jenny combatant role by "DAVID BURKE" 16) Re: Dragon Fokker D VII by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: Jenny combatant role by "DAVID BURKE" 18) Re: Jenny combatant role by MAnde72343@aol.com 19) Re: Jenny combatant role by MAnde72343@aol.com 20) Re: Jenny combatant role by "Matt Bittner" 21) Re: Jenny combatant role by MAnde72343@aol.com 22) RE: Roland D VIb "7502" colours by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 23) Re: Fab Tab's bad flick wasRe: Jenny References by "Lee J. Mensinger" 24) Re: Jenny combatant role by "Lee J. Mensinger" 25) Re: Fab Tab's bad flick wasRe: Jenny References by MAnde72343@aol.com 26) Re: Jenny combatant role by MAnde72343@aol.com 27) RE: Jenny combatant role by Volker Haeusler 28) Re: Jenny combatant role by MAnde72343@aol.com 29) RE: Jenny combatant role by Volker Haeusler 30) Re: Fab Tab's bad flick wasRe: Jenny References by KarrArt@aol.com 31) Re: Jenny combatant role by "Lee J. Mensinger" 32) RE: Obvious Datafile Omissions by "Ray Boorman" 33) Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions by Todd Hayes 34) Re: Fab Tab's bad flick wasRe: Jenny References by Todd Hayes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:14:33 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Fab Tab's bad flick wasRe: Jenny References Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/01 2:46:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, dcalhoun01@snet.net writes: << The old 1950's Lafayette Escadrille movie starring Tab hunter shows the Penguins and training school for the American pilots. You also get to see a young Clint Eastwood as one of the students. Interesting, but beyond that training scene the movie has nothing to do with the Lafayette Escadrille. Quite a crappy movie, the pilot in training goes AWOL to be with the women he falls in love with, even killing a French Poliu on the way. He is eventually able to rejoin the US Air corps and is seen flying a Nieuport 28 at the end of the movie. Even the Young Indiana Jones movie had more to do with te Escadrille than this self titled movie. >> Not just a bad airplane movie, but a bad BAD movie. Period! I still resent the couple of hours I wasted on it 35 years ago when I saw it on TV. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:14:34 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Have fun storming the castle! Message-ID: <5f.12510ed9.27e4228a@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/01 12:54:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << I am outta here! Play nice while I am gone, and remember while I'm on vacation Matt is the babysitter. Spankings for anyone who acts up while I'm away. Allan >> Oh no! We've been left in the care of never aging French Ace Mattferatu! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:14:36 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <96.1178d5da.27e4228c@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/01 9:50:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << The russians modified a "penguin" to act as an airfield ambulance. I wonder if the wounded pilots would arrive to the dressing station alive in those infernal machines! D. >> I've got a picture or two somewhere around here. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:14:38 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: british pushers Message-ID: <87.842cf59.27e4228e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/01 8:41:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: << The heat gun is optional, any heat source of about 300 deg can work, I've even heard of people using their stoves. Merrill >> Yep- I use the oven. I make sure the wife is doing something like playing on the computer or gardening, then I strike. It really doesn't even have to be cranked up all that hot. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:14:38 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: St. Harry and the Sword of Coothood wasRe: Obvious Datafile Omissions Message-ID: <90.119311d9.27e4228e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/01 6:31:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, Neil.Crawford@volvo.com writes: << It's not just kit manufacturers, he was really hammering away at poor Peter Cooksley for his Gotha book in the latest WS. I love him anyway! /Neil >> I was surprised at what a poor mess the Gotha in Action turned out to be, especially because of Cooksley. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:14:35 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Gotha color help Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/01 12:13:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, hans.trauner@nefkom.net writes: << >maybe a bad German cheese would be better. >RK There are NO bad german cheese ! Huns >> Ok- how about a German cheese that's had a rough life, maybe stranded on a desert isle for awhile, rescued, gets lost in the streets, run over by a buss and ends up lodged in an old discarded factory boiler in a dump on the edge of town, diseased and depressed? Sorry- didn't mean to insult German cheese, only cheese that's gone bad! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:14:42 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nungesser clues ? Message-ID: <6f.129281d7.27e42292@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/01 2:59:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Robert: OK, I won't send it.... thinking it better I won't send Cyg's ring neither.... the Ring issssss minnnne.... D. >> Whatever you do- don't let Nungbittner get his hands on one. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:14:43 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <8.11ad4fda.27e42293@aol.com> In a message dated 3/15/01 11:17:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << I'm trying to explain - to myself at least if no-one else has followed the thread - why kits and books full of fightin' machines so entirely outnumber those of trainers and transports and sundry "less glamourous" subjects. Frankly, I think it's because of the fascination with the ugly bits of warfare which is surely greater than the interest in the quiet bits .......... (The hair on my chest is grey and sparse. But I wish I had so much on my head) >> I agree- there is something about the fightin' machines. Trainers and other types make a nice change of pace sometimes....I rather enjoy odd prototypes- but it's a little spice in a big stew of meaty combat veterans. RK (whoose chest hair gets thicker and more jungle-like every day AND grayer plus I think I may have dead sloth hanging from particularly bristly strand) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:14:41 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/01 3:01:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Naglo Quadruplane, Datafile #125546 D. >> OK- I'll see that and raise it to the Geest Single Seater.....DF# 125549 RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:14:40 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions Message-ID: <8d.3cbd459.27e42290@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/01 6:16:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << I don't think Harry Woodman "...blows a lot of hot air."; that would imply he doesn't know what he's talking about. I do think, however, he is extremely critical of kit manufacturers that don't get their kits sufficiently accurate. He has very high standards in this regard, >> I don't think he's pompous- he has been known to correct himself , but he does show exasperation with with those who do less than their best. He's a strict schoolmaster no doubt, but he has the track record to back it all up. I've yet to see anything he's written be mean spirited...stern yes, mean- no. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:14:44 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: the brain as sponge wasRe: Jenny References Message-ID: <74.8a414da.27e42294@aol.com> In a message dated 3/15/01 7:53:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, bpearson@rapidnet.net writes: << That was how I read C&C when I joined, I made myself start at issue one and didn't let myself peek ahead. Personally I liked the non-US slant to it. . until I found C&C all I ever saw was US magazines by publishers like Challenge >> For all my fuminating, I too rather enjoy the British slant in C&C GB/Int. For that matter, after the first few volumes, the old US C&C went the same direction. An old OtF published a graph showing subject matter over the entire C&C US run, and it was solidly British. Maybe a function of more and better records. As for Challenge.........the last inspiring WW I piece they had was around in '64 or '65! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:23:20 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Gotha color help Message-ID: <000c01c0ae89$3cc1f2b0$4e3c183f@cyrixp166> > Ok- how about a German cheese that's had a rough life, maybe stranded on a > desert isle for awhile, rescued, gets lost in the streets, run over by a buss > and ends up lodged in an old discarded factory boiler in a dump on the edge > of town, diseased and depressed? But! Gets Helen Hunt! :-) How bad can life be? Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:36:10 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions Message-ID: >From: KarrArt@aol.com >dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: > ><< Naglo Quadruplane, Datafile #125546 > >OK- I'll see that and raise it to the Geest Single Seater.....DF# 125549 Lebed XIV "Grand". IRAS is neglected, except the Il'ya special, by the Datafile series. Not that I'm really worried about that. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:38:34 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <81.84290d3.27e4282a@aol.com> --part1_81.84290d3.27e4282a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee, most of 'those' Germans arrived after the second mess, (a smaller lot arrived after the first) a lot of ex-SS and Nazi Party types who flooded all of Latin America, (Mengle, Eichmann, etc.) who knew that modest bribes would keep the local authorities 'uninterested' in them, and as most of those governments were right wing military dictatorships, (or essentially so, as Mexico was) meant that the locals were often 'sympathetic'. Mexico was an ally of the US in W.W.II, if somewhat reluctantly. I remember reading about two old Germans, forgetting themselves at an unexpected reunion exchanging stiffarm salutes with each other - in Mexico City in 1951! --part1_81.84290d3.27e4282a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee, most of 'those' Germans arrived after the second mess, (a smaller lot
arrived after the first) a lot of ex-SS and Nazi Party types who flooded all
of Latin America, (Mengle, Eichmann, etc.) who knew that modest bribes would
keep the local authorities 'uninterested' in them, and as most of those
governments were right wing military dictatorships, (or essentially so, as
Mexico was) meant that the locals were often 'sympathetic'.  Mexico was an
ally of the US in W.W.II, if somewhat reluctantly. I remember reading about
two old Germans, forgetting themselves at an unexpected reunion exchanging
stiffarm salutes with each other - in Mexico City in 1951! --part1_81.84290d3.27e4282a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:28:41 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <004e01c0ae8b$8e413860$50121a3f@oemcomputer> > I just love these Jennies with the red star - also interesting to surprise > some "experts" with an AMERICAN aircraft carrying red stars. > > Volker > > You mean like P-39's and C-47's? DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:38:23 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Dragon Fokker D VII Message-ID: <004f01c0ae8b$8f2c34a0$50121a3f@oemcomputer> > I just know that if I bought one of these at this price plus Hannant's shipping charges, DML would reissue the kit within two months for $17.95 per. Anyone want to contribute to a good cause? > > Mike K. > Mike, you are correct. Anyone who is mentally challenged enough to pay that price for that kit is best left to their own devices! The Fokker D.VII has already been re-released once under the Hasegawa label. They are floating around between individuals at an average going rate of $25 U.S. bucks. I MIGHT go $30 if the air is thin. Mike nailed the sucker straight off: I am one of the STUPID IDIOTS who paid a kit collector $35 APIECE for the 1/48 F-105D kit from Monogram. Guess what happened next? That's right - I can't escape them - the re-issues are EVERYWHERE - for as low as $8! People, sit on your hands! The D.VII will be coming back. It has before, it will again. Besides, the kit is not all that wondrous - there is a bit to add if you want a really accurate D.VII. Mark my words... DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:41:44 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <005901c0ae8b$d0074b40$50121a3f@oemcomputer> > Lee, most of 'those' Germans arrived after the second mess, I would think that the musical connections go back further than that. DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:48:48 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <78.11f3eceb.27e42a90@aol.com> --part1_78.11f3eceb.27e42a90_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And P-47's, and B-25's and A-20's and even the TU-44 (a copy of the B-29), but to bring this more OT, the Polikarpov P-1 was a copy of the DH-9a, down to the Liberty engine. Merrill --part1_78.11f3eceb.27e42a90_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And P-47's, and B-25's and A-20's and even the TU-44 (a copy of the B-29),
but to bring this more OT, the Polikarpov P-1 was a copy of the DH-9a, down
to the Liberty engine.
Merrill --part1_78.11f3eceb.27e42a90_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:03:36 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <9e.117d6af3.27e42e08@aol.com> --part1_9e.117d6af3.27e42e08_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mexico didn't encourage immigration until the 1880s, when under Diaz, bringing in a fresh supply of educated people seemed like a good idea, even then, the Church made it available only to Catholics, there were some Germans in Mexico, but not many. The musical connection was probably from a bunch of Czech 'refugees' that arrived in the 1840s. Merrill --part1_9e.117d6af3.27e42e08_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mexico didn't encourage immigration until the 1880s, when under Diaz,
bringing in a fresh supply of educated people seemed like a good idea, even
then, the Church made it available only to Catholics, there were some Germans
in Mexico, but not many. The musical connection was probably from a bunch of
Czech 'refugees' that arrived in the 1840s.
Merrill --part1_9e.117d6af3.27e42e08_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:07:25 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <200103170307.TAA27877@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "And P-47's, and B-25's and A-20's and even the TU-44 (a copy of the B-29), but to bring this more OT, the Polikarpov P-1 was a copy of the DH-9a, down to the Liberty engine." Sorry, but I can't let this slide by. It was actually the Polikarpov R-1. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:18:17 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: --part1_b9.c4b4eae.27e43179_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Matt, I couldn't remember which way the Cyrillic bounced, and was trying off the top of my head to remember P or R? P in Cyrillic is R the 'pi' is the p. Merrill (George M will forgive me) --part1_b9.c4b4eae.27e43179_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Matt, I couldn't remember which way the Cyrillic bounced, and was
trying off the top of my head to remember P or R? P in Cyrillic is R the 'pi'
is the p.
Merrill (George M will forgive me) --part1_b9.c4b4eae.27e43179_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:27:11 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Roland D VIb "7502" colours Message-ID: Yay!!! A definite answer!!!! And now that my Roland DF has arrived, I can now build this kit and paint it up like that. Hey Bob, can I convince you to do a three-view profile of that plane for me, pretty please? Sincerely, Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Illustrator Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com > > A few weeks ago there was a thread on the experimental camouflage > applied to > a Roland D VIb (7502/18) in US sevice; AFAIR, there was no answer to this > question. While browsing through the "Official Monogram US Army > Air Service > & Air Corps Aircraft Colour Guide" vol 1" (I could kill these > guys for this > title - my fingers really hurt now), I found the following > remark: There is > a McCook Field report "Camouflage of Day Airplanes", Report 1498, dated > january 12, 1921. This obviously describes (amongst others) experimental > schemes tested on a P/LP LUSAC-11, a DH 4, a TM MB-3 and *this > very D VIb*. > The colours are given as "dark straw, dull green black and mauve/reddish > purple". Looking on the photos, it is quite obvious which colour was which > one. Now that could really be a nice schem for that MAC kit... > > Volker > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:44:11 -0600 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fab Tab's bad flick wasRe: Jenny References Message-ID: <3AB2EB9A.916CD6E3@x25.net> I agree. It was one of the worst, contrived, movies I have ever suffered through and the really terrible part is a movie about the reality of the Lafayette Escadrille would have been wonderful just by telling the truth. The real fliers and their stories are enough to hold almost anyones attention. Lee M. KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/16/01 2:46:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, > dcalhoun01@snet.net writes: > > << The old 1950's Lafayette Escadrille movie starring Tab hunter shows the > Penguins and training school for the American pilots. You also get to see a > young Clint Eastwood as one of the students. Interesting, but beyond that > training scene the movie has nothing to do with the Lafayette Escadrille. > Quite a crappy movie, the pilot in training goes AWOL to be with the women > he falls in love with, even killing a French Poliu on the way. He is > eventually able to rejoin the US Air corps and is seen flying a Nieuport 28 > at the end of the movie. Even the Young Indiana Jones movie had more to do > with te Escadrille than this self titled movie. >> > > Not just a bad airplane movie, but a bad BAD movie. Period! I still resent > the couple of hours I wasted on it 35 years ago when I saw it on TV. > RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:48:23 -0600 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <3AB2EC97.E1AB803F@x25.net> I remember seeing a P-47 with Mexican National Insignia. But for the life of me I can not remember where. That was a very long time ago. Lee M. MAnde72343@aol.com wrote: > --part1_81.84290d3.27e4282a_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Lee, most of 'those' Germans arrived after the second mess, (a smaller lot > arrived after the first) a lot of ex-SS and Nazi Party types who flooded all > of Latin America, (Mengle, Eichmann, etc.) who knew that modest bribes would > keep the local authorities 'uninterested' in them, and as most of those > governments were right wing military dictatorships, (or essentially so, as > Mexico was) meant that the locals were often 'sympathetic'. Mexico was an > ally of the US in W.W.II, if somewhat reluctantly. I remember reading about > two old Germans, forgetting themselves at an unexpected reunion exchanging > stiffarm salutes with each other - in Mexico City in 1951! > > --part1_81.84290d3.27e4282a_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Lee, most of 'those' Germans arrived after the second mess, (a smaller lot >
arrived after the first) a lot of ex-SS and Nazi Party types who flooded all >
of Latin America, (Mengle, Eichmann, etc.) who knew that modest bribes would >
keep the local authorities 'uninterested' in them, and as most of those >
governments were right wing military dictatorships, (or essentially so, as >
Mexico was) meant that the locals were often 'sympathetic'.  Mexico was an >
ally of the US in W.W.II, if somewhat reluctantly. I remember reading about >
two old Germans, forgetting themselves at an unexpected reunion exchanging >
stiffarm salutes with each other - in Mexico City in 1951! > > --part1_81.84290d3.27e4282a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:46:26 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fab Tab's bad flick wasRe: Jenny References Message-ID: <62.cc9cc02.27e44622@aol.com> --part1_62.cc9cc02.27e44622_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got an E mail from "He who was Cast Out" tonight, Hollyweird screwed up the "Enemy at the Gates" story, too, it should have been great, but at least according to "Him" it stank. Merrill --part1_62.cc9cc02.27e44622_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got an E mail from "He who was Cast Out" tonight, Hollyweird screwed up the
"Enemy at the Gates" story, too, it should have been great, but at least
according to "Him" it stank.
Merrill --part1_62.cc9cc02.27e44622_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:47:57 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <27.1279cb1b.27e4467d@aol.com> --part1_27.1279cb1b.27e4467d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's in the Squadron P-47 book, the Mexicans flew a squadron of 47s in Italy. Merrill --part1_27.1279cb1b.27e4467d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's in the Squadron P-47 book, the Mexicans flew a squadron of 47s in Italy.
Merrill --part1_27.1279cb1b.27e4467d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 18:25:52 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: Merrill said: "And P-47's, and B-25's and A-20's and even the TU-44 (a copy of the B-29), but to bring this more OT, the Polikarpov P-1 was a copy of the DH-9a, down to the Liberty engine. Merrill" All true, but these are *american manufactured* aircraft flown by the russians (or copies). What I was discussing are the Jennies in *US service* bearing a red star as a national emblem - quite unique. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:03:51 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: --part1_e4.126dd457.27e44a37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Volker, I vaguely remember something along that line, but where and when?, I'm not sure I'm not remembering something from one of George Mellinger's Russian museum photos. Merrill --part1_e4.126dd457.27e44a37_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Volker, I vaguely remember something along that line, but where and when?,
I'm not sure I'm not remembering something from one of George Mellinger's
Russian museum photos.
Merrill --part1_e4.126dd457.27e44a37_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 18:41:59 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: Lee said: "I remember seeing a P-47 with Mexican National Insignia. But for the life of me I can not remember where. That was a very long time ago. Lee M." A complete story of the use of the P 47 in the Mexican Expeditionary Force is in Air Enthusaist 46 ("To join the Allies" by Santiago Flores). To bring this back OT, there also was a highly interesting *Mexican* single seat scout (the TNCA "Microplano") of METAL construction ostensibly flown in 1918 (powered by a 180 hp HS engine). beside the short chapter in the "Complete Book of fighters" I remember I saw something on this aircraft in another publication. Small Air Forces Observer? Any ideas anybody? Volker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:34:28 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fab Tab's bad flick wasRe: Jenny References Message-ID: <9f.12a58907.27e45164@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/01 8:41:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, lemen@x25.net writes: << I agree. It was one of the worst, contrived, movies I have ever suffered through and the really terrible part is a movie about the reality of the Lafayette Escadrille would have been wonderful just by telling the truth. The real fliers and their stories are enough to hold almost anyones attention. Lee M. >> The local Sunday paper magazine once had a piece about Mel Torme (we're talkin' '64/'65 here!) and he was trying to get a movie off the ground about the Laf Esc. He was saying something about his version would not be the usual Hollywood stuff- and the photo illustrating the article was him standing by Pfieffer's repro Nieuport11....anyway- I guess I might as well give up on Mel's movie. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:40:28 -0600 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny combatant role Message-ID: <3AB2F8CB.BE228D3B@x25.net> That may be where I actually saw the plane. I have never seen the book. The aircraft may have been in Germany briefly for some reason. I know I saw a Mexican insignia over there in 1945. But it had to be on one of our airfields. Like Geissen, Fulda or Bad Kissingen or some such place. the war was over as I recall. A senior Officer may have dropped in for lunch. Lee M. MAnde72343@aol.com wrote: > It's in the Squadron P-47 book, the Mexicans flew a squadron of 47s in Italy. > Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:47:30 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Obvious Datafile Omissions Message-ID: Yup who knows when is the word. Not Ray Rimells fault though, he has asked many times in Windsock for contribution for French aircraft.... Still the Breguet is one of the more important French two seaters so it still astounds me that it hasn't been done. > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Matt > Bittner > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 7:40 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Obvious Datafile Omissions > > > On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:34:40 -0500 (EST), Ray Boorman wrote: > > > tsk Tsk Breguet 14. > > Ah, but Rimell has already announced a Special on the type, to be > release who knows when... ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:52:40 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Obvious Datafile Omissions Message-ID: <20010317055240.93535.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Italy too. What. There's the Caproni Ca.3 and the Ansaldo SVA5? Todd --- Michael Kendix wrote: > >From: KarrArt@aol.com > > >dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: > > > ><< Naglo Quadruplane, Datafile #125546 > > > >OK- I'll see that and raise it to the Geest Single > Seater.....DF# 125549 > > > Lebed XIV "Grand". > > IRAS is neglected, except the Il'ya special, by the > Datafile series. Not > that I'm really worried about that. > > Michael > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:55:55 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fab Tab's bad flick wasRe: Jenny References Message-ID: <20010317055555.98828.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Oh, THAT movie! Absolutely, horribly, atrociously bad film. Todd --- "Lee J. Mensinger" wrote: > I agree. It was one of the worst, contrived, movies > I have ever suffered through > and the really terrible part is a movie about the > reality of the Lafayette > Escadrille would have been wonderful just by telling > the truth. The real fliers > and their stories are enough to hold almost anyones > attention. > > Lee M. > > KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/16/01 2:46:07 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > > dcalhoun01@snet.net writes: > > > > << The old 1950's Lafayette Escadrille movie > starring Tab hunter shows the > > Penguins and training school for the American > pilots. You also get to see a > > young Clint Eastwood as one of the students. > Interesting, but beyond that > > training scene the movie has nothing to do with > the Lafayette Escadrille. > > Quite a crappy movie, the pilot in training goes > AWOL to be with the women > > he falls in love with, even killing a French > Poliu on the way. He is > > eventually able to rejoin the US Air corps and is > seen flying a Nieuport 28 > > at the end of the movie. Even the Young Indiana > Jones movie had more to do > > with te Escadrille than this self titled movie. > >> > > > > Not just a bad airplane movie, but a bad BAD > movie. Period! I still resent > > the couple of hours I wasted on it 35 years ago > when I saw it on TV. > > RK > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3198 **********************