WWI Digest 3192 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: MoS AI Type 27 mystery solved? by "diaphus" 2) Re: Morane Saulnier AI Undercarriage color(s)? by "diaphus" 3) Re: Morane Saulnier AI Undercarriage color(s)? by "diaphus" 4) Re: Aerodrome Modeler CD by REwing@aol.com 5) Re: Gotha color help by "Bob Pearson" 6) Missing Kits 1:72 by Todd Hayes 7) Re: Jenny References by Ernest Thomas 8) Is the MoS. AI Mini-DF Very Useful? by Todd Hayes 9) Re: Jenny References by "Steven M.Perry" 10) RE: Jenny References by Shane Weier 11) Re: Steve Perry's AEG by "Steven M.Perry" 12) Re: Steve Perry's AEG by "Steven M.Perry" 13) Re: Missing Kits 1:72 by "Bob Pearson" 14) Re: Missing Kits 1:72 by "Ray Boorman" 15) Re: Jenny References by RadspadMike@netscape.net 16) Re: Steve Perry's AEG by Craig Gavin 17) Re: Caproni Pensuti by "Ray Boorman" 18) Re: Eduard Pup PE by Todd Hayes 19) Re: Missing Kits 1:72 by Todd Hayes 20) =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IElzIHRoZSBNb1MuIEFJIKBNaW5pLURGIKBWZXJ5IFVzZWZ1bD8=?= by RadspadMike@netscape.net 21) RE: Jenny References by Todd Hayes 22) Re: Is the MoS. AI  Mini-DF  Very Useful? by Todd Hayes 23) RE: Jenny References by Shane Weier 24) Re: Jenny References by "Steven M.Perry" 25) Re: RE: Jenny References by RadspadMike@netscape.net 26) Re: Eduard Pup PE by RadspadMike@netscape.net 27) Re: Jenny References by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:23:39 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: MoS AI Type 27 mystery solved? Message-ID: <005d01c0add0$e08b4400$a5371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: MoS AI Type 27 mystery solved? > Well, well, well. Amazing sometimes what one finds on ebay. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1123003566 > > Looks like what I originally thought was *wrong*. From the image > contained within this biddable item, it would appear that the Type 27's > single gun was *not* embedded like the Type 29. It appears the gun is > sitting directly on top of the upper fuselage! > > Now we have something to compare to when we *accurately* build > Shaffer's Type 27... :-) > > > Matt Bittner That's great, 'cos I'm accurately building his type 29 :-p Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:27:19 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: Morane Saulnier AI Undercarriage color(s)? Message-ID: <00df01c0add1$63b12de0$a5371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Rychlewski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:23 AM Subject: Re: Morane Saulnier AI Undercarriage color(s)? > Hi Jack > > I'm making an educated guess based on the info and photos in the AI > Mini-Datafile: the outer surfaces of the wheel struts are painted the same > color as the fuselage above them: brown on the port side, green on the > starboard. The inner surfaces of the wheel struts, the center V-strut, and the > axle appear to be aluminum color. > > When wiser heads awake, there may be differing opinions... > > Karen > Karen, It appears to be a well educated guess, that's exactly what some other color pix I've now been shown indicate. So, tricolor it is Thanks for the feedback! Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:28:12 -0500 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Re: Morane Saulnier AI Undercarriage color(s)? Message-ID: <00e601c0add1$83591f40$a5371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dfernet0" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 5:02 AM Subject: RE: Morane Saulnier AI Undercarriage color(s)? > Jack > > So, can anyone confirm/deny the u/c color pattern? Preferably "all > > aluminum" :-) > > Check http://memorial.flight.free.fr/MoraneAI.html > > And loose your hopes... is protrayed both in aluminium and in camouflage! > D. D, Thanks for the URL - ah well, I've plenty of masking tape :-) Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:28:41 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Aerodrome Modeler CD Message-ID: --part1_c8.11c5203c.27e2f079_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The list library has the master copies of all the Aerodrome Modeler. -Rick- List Librarian --part1_c8.11c5203c.27e2f079_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:41:19 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Missing Kits 1:72 Message-ID: <20010316044119.54579.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Even though I'm into 1:48, I do look at ads for 1:72 kits as well just to see what's available (and sometimes sigh with longing.) Besides Spads, and some Nieuports, what really surprises me is the lack of an SE5 or SE5a kit in 1:72. Do such things exist? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:48:13 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <3AB19B0D.6D35F2E9@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: Maybe I'll lozenge the > fuselage while I'm at it and take pictures of it too. That is, if there > aren't any objections... I object. e. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:47:55 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Is the MoS. AI Mini-DF Very Useful? Message-ID: <20010316044755.11470.qmail@web11110.mail.yahoo.com> Considering that I just ordered this MDF last week, is it worth the money it costs? This is one of my favorite a/c. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:51:53 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <002101c0add4$d62e3b80$2ff0aec7@default> > Only in North America. Otherwise it wasn't significant, and in particular as > a *training* aircraft of a minor combatant it's hardly likely to make a > ripple in the consciousness of the average European publisher Y'all have yer Moths and we have our Jennys. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:02:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Jenny References Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748DAD@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP > > Only in North America. Otherwise it wasn't significant, and > > in particular as > > a *training* aircraft of a minor combatant it's hardly > > likely to make a > > ripple in the consciousness of the average European publisher > > Y'all have yer Moths and we have our Jennys. Yup. And we have Avro 504's and you have Texans. And the overlaps aren't exact ! All trainers though, not fit for really hairy chested maniacs to build a model airforce. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:07:44 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Steve Perry's AEG Message-ID: <003901c0add7$09d4f8a0$2ff0aec7@default> > Steve, > Gad, there's GOT to be a special medal for someone actually building a Merlin > kit! Looks like it's coming along great, though.... you have my admiration! Thanks Andrei. The kit was a gift and I have a point to prove to myself. So far it's been a fun project. A lot of work, but it's gone well so far. The top wing is lozenged and I'll be adding the rib tapes tonight. Glen Merrill says on both the AEG sheet and the Rib Tape sheet that the late mark AEGs covered with 5 color night loz used the pink rib tapes. He even answered my earlier question about the photos. "Covered with 5 color night lozenge these would probably be the only aircraft on which the pink-violet tapes did not photograph darker than the surrounding fabric." And does it ever look cool :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:11:24 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Steve Perry's AEG Message-ID: <004b01c0add7$8c762220$2ff0aec7@default> > Bob, Uggie was right, and you are a world class masochist. > Merrill Merrill I gather form this and a previous post you ain't so big on Merlins. I'm looking for another mint Merlin AEG G.IV. I gotta have one just to show where this model came from. Give me a holler Off List if you are interested in trading or selling yours. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:49:23 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Missing Kits 1:72 Message-ID: <200103160450.UAA03229@mail.rapidnet.net> Revell, ESCI/ERTL do one which is very nice, although I seem to recall it having a Viper, yet Revell gave Hisso markings. . or was that just the ESCI variant .. never have actually seen the Revell SE5a. Bob ---------- >From: Todd Hayes >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Missing Kits 1:72 >Date: Thu, Mar 15, 2001, 8:49 pm > > Even though I'm into 1:48, I do look at ads for 1:72 > kits as well just to see what's available (and > sometimes sigh with longing.) Besides Spads, and some > Nieuports, what really surprises me is the lack of an > SE5 or SE5a kit in 1:72. Do such things exist? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:10:49 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Missing Kits 1:72 Message-ID: <006101c0add7$77798380$331335d1@bconnected.net> Revell had a SE5a. Out of production but you still do see them around. Not a bad model if I remember correctly. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Hayes" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: Missing Kits 1:72 > Even though I'm into 1:48, I do look at ads for 1:72 > kits as well just to see what's available (and > sometimes sigh with longing.) Besides Spads, and some > Nieuports, what really surprises me is the lack of an > SE5 or SE5a kit in 1:72. Do such things exist? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:10:00 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <0A1041F2.790AE9F4.3E0364A1@netscape.net> EtH wrote: > > DAVID BURKE wrote: Maybe I'll lozenge the fuselage while I'm at it and take pictures of it too.  That is, if there aren't any objections... > > I object. > e. > Doesn't count e. Redundant. Your objection is always taken into account before hand as a "given". :-) Mike K. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:21:18 -0600 From: Craig Gavin To: Subject: Re: Steve Perry's AEG Message-ID: Steve - I think I have one of those somewhere. I'll dig it out tomorrow. What were you think about trading? It's got to be braille scale. It's the only scale I build. - Craig Gavin > From: "Steven M.Perry" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:13:52 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Steve Perry's AEG > > >> Bob, Uggie was right, and you are a world class masochist. >> Merrill > > Merrill > I gather form this and a previous post you ain't so big on Merlins. I'm > looking for another mint Merlin AEG G.IV. I gotta have one just to show > where this model came from. Give me a holler Off List if you are interested > in trading or selling yours. > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:21:52 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Caproni Pensuti Message-ID: <007d01c0add9$0285b740$331335d1@bconnected.net> Alberto, Thankyou very much for the pictures and information. I had one picture and no information so you have really helped me. I will only use the photos for the model. One thing I noticed the engine has a collector ring around the front of the cylinders. I would never have known that. I really like this aircraft. Lately I have been looking for a fun model to build. The Caproni is just the solution I think. Again thanks very much for your help. regards Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: Caproni Pensuti > Dear Ray, > > >From the pictures at my disposal it really seems that the Caproni Pensuti > "Triplanino" (Little Triplane) was CDL overall, although at some time it had > dark forward fuselage side panels. > Scans will be sent to your address separately. > > Please let me know whether I can be of more help. > > All the very best, > > Alberto Casirati > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:24:52 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard Pup PE Message-ID: <20010316052452.84312.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Dave, It might look good, but incorrect. Remember, Voss had a Le Rhone installed in his F.1. The engine in the DML/Shanghai Dragon kit is perfect for both the Oberursel and Le Rhone. Photos of Voss' a/c show the kit engine and CSM engine to be dead ringers for the real thing. And it definitely was a (surprisingly) dumb mistake for CMK to make. But at least we scored an EXCELLENT Clerget/Bently. Only the intake manifold pipes are different (round vs. oval). I've replaced all my Sop. Tripes with the CMK engine. Here's my choices for the best Oberursels: UR.o 7cyl. 80hp, single pushrods to the rear/ no intake pipes, for Fok./Pfalz E.I -no good ones. Atlee did one. The one in the JMGT Pfalz E.I is nice. UR.I, 9cyl. 100hp, single pushrods to the front, intake pipes to the rear, Fok. E.II- D.V (except the D.I/IV), Atlee/Roseparts UR.II, 9cyl. 110hp, single pushrods to the front/intake pipes to the rear, Fok. F.I/Dr.I/D.VI/D.VIII Copper State Models UR.III, 14cyl. 160hp, single pushrods to the front/intake pipes to the rear, Fok. E.IV/Pfalz E.IV Aeroclub does one. There's some excellent data available through the Fokker Team- Schoerndorf site. If you'd like the address, I'll forward it. Btw, I believe it was Diego that first brought this site to my attention. Longwinded Todd --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > > Dave, > > > > Check the CMK Oberursel against photos. They > goofed > > up badly. It's not an Oberursel at all. Unless > > there's an Oberursel with two pushrods per cyl. > and a > > bulky crankcase, it's actually a Clerget or > Bently. > > It's the best Clerget I've seen. > > > > Todd > > > Hmmmm, lemme go look at mine. Boy, that would be a > dumb mistake - but it > would look good in a certain Fokker F.1 though, > wouldn't it? > > > DB > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:25:57 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Missing Kits 1:72 Message-ID: <20010316052557.42165.qmail@web11113.mail.yahoo.com> I though those were OOP? Todd --- Bob Pearson wrote: > Revell, ESCI/ERTL do one which is very nice, > although I seem to recall it > having a Viper, yet Revell gave Hisso markings. . or > was that just the ESCI > variant .. never have actually seen the Revell SE5a. > > Bob > > ---------- > >From: Todd Hayes > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > >Subject: Missing Kits 1:72 > >Date: Thu, Mar 15, 2001, 8:49 pm > > > > > Even though I'm into 1:48, I do look at ads for > 1:72 > > kits as well just to see what's available (and > > sometimes sigh with longing.) Besides Spads, and > some > > Nieuports, what really surprises me is the lack of > an > > SE5 or SE5a kit in 1:72. Do such things exist? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:25:22 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IElzIHRoZSBNb1MuIEFJIKBNaW5pLURGIKBWZXJ5IFVzZWZ1bD8=?= Message-ID: <7AAB343B.49FDA909.3E0364A1@netscape.net> Todd wrote: > > Considering that I just ordered this MDF last week, > is it worth the money it costs?  This is one of my > favorite a/c. > I don't know how much you paid for it, but IIRC I didn't pay too much for mine and I believe it was well worth it. Being a "mini", I don't think you can expect too much. I figure they do "mini" when there is insufficient info to do a full-blown datafile effort. It has some good exterior photos, an official handbook cockpit illustration of everything forward of the seat, 1/72 and 1/48 scale drawings, detailed sketches of many parts of interest to modelers and a discussion of camo and markings by RLR. Also two color profiles on the rear cover. HTH, Mike K. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:30:02 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Jenny References Message-ID: <20010316053002.83497.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Hey! I'm a "really hairy chested", sometimes, "maniac" that would love to have several of the German B class a/c!! I just love the Alb. B.II. Really Hairy Chested Maniac --- Shane Weier wrote: > SP > > > > Only in North America. Otherwise it wasn't > significant, and > > > in particular as > > > a *training* aircraft of a minor combatant it's > hardly > > > likely to make a > > > ripple in the consciousness of the average > European publisher > > > > Y'all have yer Moths and we have our Jennys. > > Yup. And we have Avro 504's and you have Texans. And > the overlaps aren't > exact ! > > All trainers though, not fit for really hairy > chested maniacs to build a > model airforce. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is > confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:34:32 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is the MoS. AI  Mini-DF  Very Useful? Message-ID: <20010316053432.80366.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Jawohl, it helps. I got it for $10 from Roll Models. Todd --- RadspadMike@netscape.net wrote: > > Todd wrote: > > > > Considering that I just ordered this MDF last > week, > > is it worth the money it costs?  This is one of my > > favorite a/c. > > > I don't know how much you paid for it, but IIRC I > didn't pay too much for mine and I believe it was > well worth it. Being a "mini", I don't think you > can expect too much. I figure they do "mini" when > there is insufficient info to do a full-blown > datafile effort. It has some good exterior photos, > an official handbook cockpit illustration of > everything forward of the seat, 1/72 and 1/48 scale > drawings, detailed sketches of many parts of > interest to modelers and a discussion of camo and > markings by RLR. Also two color profiles on the rear > cover. > > HTH, > Mike K. > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account > today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:36:12 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Jenny References Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748DAE@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Todd, > Hey! I'm a "really hairy chested", sometimes, "maniac" > that would love to have several of the German B class > a/c!! I just love the Alb. B.II. > > Really Hairy Chested Maniac Yeah, yeah. But these are German, and therefore exempt from being ignored - especially since unarmed or not they were used in combat roles. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:51:54 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <00c301c0addd$35163780$2ff0aec7@default> The Jenny's claim on the hearts of modern American aviation buffs stems from it's barnstorming days post armistice rather than the fact that it was a wartime trainer. I also suspect that some of the 504's UK appeal comes from civil use between the wars. Though I grant that the 504 was a more important aircraft, which badly needs an Eduard like treatment in both scales. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:05:23 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: RE: Jenny References Message-ID: <6099C661.265E7A6E.3E0364A1@netscape.net> Shane wrote: > > All trainers though, not fit for really hairy chested maniacs to build a > model airforce. I don't disagree, Shane, if your modeling interest centers on the combat role. but from my not-so-extensive readings of pilots' accounts, most pilots retained a special affection for those aircraft in which they learned their basic flying skills - - and, at times, almost scared themselves to death, doing so. Trainers were/are important. Pretty difficult to jump into the cockpit, crank it up and fly your first solo and combat mission at the same time. . . I would think. :-) As an OT modeler, I like trainers. In the RFC/RAF, trainers are often the most colorful and interesting departure from PC10/CDL. FWIW, Mike K. P.S. On a personal note, I've observed that, in my 60's, I have considerably more hair on my chest (although gray) than I did when younger. I always thought this to be an aging hormonal thing, but you bring a new, but disturbing "maniacal" perspective to it. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:20:05 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard Pup PE Message-ID: <66B2B826.5FD0694F.3E0364A1@netscape.net> Thanks for the instructive discussion, Todd. I would appreciate receiving the Fokker Team - Schoerndorf site info. Mike Todd wrote: > > Dave, > > It might look good, but incorrect.  Remember, Voss had > a Le Rhone installed in his F.1.  The engine in the > DML/Shanghai Dragon kit is perfect for both the > Oberursel and Le Rhone.  Photos of Voss' a/c show the > kit engine and CSM engine to be dead ringers for the > real thing.  And it definitely was a (surprisingly) > dumb mistake for CMK to make.  But at least we scored > an EXCELLENT Clerget/Bently.  Only the intake manifold > pipes are different (round vs. oval).  I've replaced > all my Sop. Tripes with the CMK engine. Here's my > choices for the best Oberursels: > > UR.o 7cyl. 80hp, single pushrods to the rear/ no > intake pipes, for Fok./Pfalz E.I -no good ones.  Atlee > did one. The one in the JMGT Pfalz E.I is nice. > > UR.I, 9cyl. 100hp, single pushrods to the front, > intake pipes to the rear, Fok. E.II- D.V (except the > D.I/IV), Atlee/Roseparts > > UR.II, 9cyl. 110hp, single pushrods to the > front/intake pipes to the rear, Fok. > F.I/Dr.I/D.VI/D.VIII > Copper State Models > > UR.III, 14cyl. 160hp, single pushrods to the > front/intake pipes to the rear, Fok. E.IV/Pfalz E.IV > Aeroclub does one. > > There's some excellent data available through the > Fokker Team- Schoerndorf site.  If you'd like the > address, I'll forward it.  Btw, I believe it was Diego > that first brought this site to my attention. > > Longwinded Todd > > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:54:46 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <005801c0ade6$03942e20$d6a31e3f@oemcomputer> > The Jenny's claim on the hearts of modern American aviation buffs stems from > it's barnstorming days post armistice rather than the fact that it was a > wartime trainer. > > I also suspect that some of the 504's UK appeal comes from civil use between > the wars. Though I grant that the 504 was a more important aircraft, which > badly needs an Eduard like treatment in both scales. > sp And again, we have our Lindberg and they have the SMER. Personally, I think that trainers should get a little more attention. After all, the best way to kill a pilot is to give him 4 hours of ground school and then turn him loose in a fighter. I wonder what the respective flight training paradigms were for the combatant nations during the Great War and what the evolutions of their programs were like. Might make a neat topic for a thesis... DB ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3192 **********************