WWI Digest 3190 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Jenny References by MAnde72343@aol.com 2) Re: Eduard Pup PE by MAnde72343@aol.com 3) Re: Eduard Pup PE by Todd Hayes 4) Found Picture of Matt by JVT7532@aol.com 5) Methuen Colors by Andreikor@aol.com 6) Re: Jenny References + history by Myles Miller 7) RE: Jenny References by Shane Weier 8) RE: Jenny References by Shane Weier 9) RE: british pushers by Shane Weier 10) Punitive Expedition Jenny by Myles Miller 11) RE: Eduard Pup PE by Shane Weier 12) Re: Methuen Colors by "Lance Krieg" 13) Re: Jenny References by "Bob Pearson" 14) Re: Steve Perry's AEG by Andreikor@aol.com 15) Re: Methuen Colors by "Bob Pearson" 16) Re: british pushers by David Fleming 17) Re: Jenny References by "Brad & Merville" 18) Re: Steve Perry's AEG by "Bob Pearson" 19) Re: Steve Perry's AEG by MAnde72343@aol.com 20) Re: Steve Perry's AEG by RadspadMike@netscape.net 21) RE: Jenny References by Shane Weier 22) Re: Steve Perry's AEG by "Bob Pearson" 23) Re: Jenny References by BEN8800@aol.com 24) Re: Jenny References by "Bob Pearson" 25) Re: Jenny References by "Brad & Merville" 26) RE: Jenny References by Shane Weier 27) Merlin, was Re: Steve Perry's AEG by "Matt Bittner" 28) RVHP Nieuport Triplane by "Matt Bittner" 29) Re: Merlin, was Re: Steve Perry's AEG by "Bob Pearson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:20:52 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <62.cbcdb41.27e28c34@aol.com> --part1_62.cbcdb41.27e28c34_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Minnesota Air National Guard museum crew is building a Jenny right now, and it's intended to be flyable, with a working Hispano engine (they have an OX on display, but want to use the post war engine, more flyable, and more representative of it's service with the Guard in the 20's). It will be an authentic reproduction, I will try to get some photos of the bare frame and wings, if you'd like. Merrill --part1_62.cbcdb41.27e28c34_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Minnesota Air National Guard museum crew is building a Jenny right now,
and it's intended to be flyable, with a working Hispano engine (they have an
OX on display, but want to use the post war engine, more flyable, and more
representative of it's service with the Guard in the 20's). It will be an
authentic reproduction, I will try to get some photos of the bare frame and
wings, if you'd like.
Merrill
--part1_62.cbcdb41.27e28c34_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:27:33 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard Pup PE Message-ID: --part1_a7.c8e98c6.27e28dc5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Engines and Things LeRhone is quite nice, no assembly required, and reasonable, I don't know about you, but assembling multipart rotaries and Radials gives me fits. Merrill (who did scratch build a Bentley for his CSM Snipe) --part1_a7.c8e98c6.27e28dc5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Engines and Things LeRhone is quite nice, no assembly required, and
reasonable, I don't know about you, but assembling multipart rotaries and
Radials gives me fits.
Merrill (who did scratch build a Bentley for his CSM Snipe)
--part1_a7.c8e98c6.27e28dc5_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:11:56 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard Pup PE Message-ID: <20010315221156.997.qmail@web11115.mail.yahoo.com> Dave, Check the CMK Oberursel against photos. They goofed up badly. It's not an Oberursel at all. Unless there's an Oberursel with two pushrods per cyl. and a bulky crankcase, it's actually a Clerget or Bently. It's the best Clerget I've seen. Todd --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > > Mark, > > > > If it's a 9 cyl Gnome, try the Copper State > Oberursel > > and reverse it. It makes a great Gnome and a > LeRhone > > as well as being the best Oberursel UR.1 > available. > > > > Todd > > Well, I would have to say that Czech Master (or was > it CMK?)'s resin > Oberursel and cowl set is the nicest one on the > market - one of the > extremely rare times where I find that something is > better than CSM's. > > > DB > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:13:17 EST From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Found Picture of Matt Message-ID: <8b.3bc3939.27e2987d@aol.com> I have found a real good picture of Matt, if you want to see him mail me off list!!! Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:19:15 EST From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Methuen Colors Message-ID: <4f.8cd578a.27e299e3@aol.com> Gotta jump in on this one. I've noticed my Methuen colors never match those quoted by references, i.e. Rimell. My guess is that the four-color printing process is so unstable and unpredictable that a book from the first part of the run will not match a book from the last part of the same run, let alone a book printed in a different year. It does, however, keep the worktable from wobbling. Cheers! Andrei Koribanics II 8 Falcon Place Wayne, NJ 07470 Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378 email: andreikor@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:41:38 -0800 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny References + history Message-ID: <4.1.20010315143428.009fd7d0@mail> >DAVID BURKE writes: >I would argue that the Jenny was one of the most important aircraft in the >history of aviation for several reasons: >It was the fledgling USAC's primary trainer during and following the Great >War............. [snip lots of good facts] ...........and therefore would conclude that it was >a very important aircraft. I eventually want to build the Lindberg kit that >I bought, and wanted to find some nifty schemes, drawings, detail shots, >et.al. ...... may also mention the use of the Jenny while chasing [unsucessfully] Villa across northern Mexico during the the Punitive Expedition. I think this would make one of the more interesting subjects to model using the Lindbergh kit. Myles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:46:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Jenny References Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748D93@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> DB > Thanks for all the helpful tips. I'm just surprised that > there isn't a > wealth of info on such an important A/C. Only in North America. Otherwise it wasn't significant, and in particular as a *training* aircraft of a minor combatant it's hardly likely to make a ripple in the consciousness of the average European publisher. (Widespread use in the US *after* the war is irrelevant too - then it's being used as a civilian aircraft and references for them are always difficult to find) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:52:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Jenny References Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748D94@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> David, > It was important in Canada, and the RNAS used quite a few - Brutally - Canada did not have an air force, and the Jenny is a trainer. You want references - the subject needs to be used by a major combatant and in some combat role. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:54:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: british pushers Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748D95@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP, > Don't rotaries cylinders all exhaust at the same point on the > circle as they rotate? Yes, usually at the bottom position - hence the exhaust channel *under* the majority of rotary tractor aircraft Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:10:12 -0800 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Punitive Expedition Jenny Message-ID: <4.1.20010315150800.00a0a100@mail> I should note that it was a 1915 version JN-3 that was used during the 1916 Punitive Expedition, not the JN-4. ..........it would still be an interesting subject................ Myles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:03:42 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Eduard Pup PE Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748D98@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Mark, > I'm working on the Eduard 1/48 Pup and I'm wondering about > that big one-piece PE part which is supposed to go on the engine. > Has anyone used these parts and achieved good results? Not on the Pup, but I've used one elsewhere. > if so how did you thicken the exhausts - CA? Gunze Surfacer (and they aren't exhausts, but intake manifolds) > I think I'm going to just replace it with an aeroclub engine > - kinda rough but nothing that can't be fixed Same applies to the Eduard but the work is different Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:03:22 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Methuen Colors Message-ID: Andre notes: "... my Methuen colors never match those quoted by references..." Yep, this is a problem. The third edition, printed in Denmark, IIRC, is the one now specified, and I must say my matches are pretty close, as I have the same edition. But Albatros is increasingly using the Federal Standards, which ought to help us zero in on a common hue, for whatever that may be worth. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:10:37 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <200103152311.PAA21610@mail.rapidnet.net> We did too....... all two squadrons of it - No.1 flying Dolphins , and No.2 with the DH9 - granted they never made it out of England. Bob ---------- > David, > >> It was important in Canada, and the RNAS used quite a few - > > Brutally - Canada did not have an air force, and the Jenny is a trainer. You > want references - the subject needs to be used by a major combatant and in > some combat role. > > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:12:29 EST From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Steve Perry's AEG Message-ID: <9c.c88b50c.27e2a65d@aol.com> Steve, Gad, there's GOT to be a special medal for someone actually building a Merlin kit! Looks like it's coming along great, though.... you have my admiration! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:17:57 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Methuen Colors Message-ID: <200103152319.PAA21979@mail.rapidnet.net> Unfortunately FS are less likely to find a match than the Methuen .. so if we all stick to the same one, we'll at least know what the colours are close to. Especially as I have the Methuen and not a set of FS .. or we can use Computer color: 10,000 computer-generated process colours (No.36,000 on the Amazon best seller list - I must be the only one who bought it) Bob ---------- >From: "Lance Krieg" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Methuen Colors >Date: Thu, Mar 15, 2001, 3:13 pm > > Andre notes: > > "... my Methuen colors never match those quoted by references..." > > Yep, this is a problem. The third edition, printed in Denmark, IIRC, is > the one now specified, and I must say my matches are pretty close, as I > have the same edition. > > But Albatros is increasingly using the Federal Standards, which ought to > help us zero in on a common hue, for whatever that may be worth. > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:15:06 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: british pushers Message-ID: <3AB14CFA.3E18D07F@dial.pipex.com> Diego - beware - Airframe kits were made using a male mould, so in some cases the part should NOT be rubbed down, because the thickness of the carrier sheet is included in the size of the part !! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:22:06 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <020f01c0ada6$c1593800$e5885ad1@default> Isn't RR working on a two volume 'Special' on the Jenny? I'm sure I read this somewhere. -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: RE: Jenny References >DB > >> Thanks for all the helpful tips. I'm just surprised that >> there isn't a >> wealth of info on such an important A/C. > >Only in North America. Otherwise it wasn't significant, and in particular as >a *training* aircraft of a minor combatant it's hardly likely to make a >ripple in the consciousness of the average European publisher. > >(Widespread use in the US *after* the war is irrelevant too - then it's >being used as a civilian aircraft and references for them are always >difficult to find) > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >********************************************************************** >The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is >intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or >copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to >forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the >MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > >e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au >phone: Australia 1800500646 >********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:23:49 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Steve Perry's AEG Message-ID: <200103152324.PAA22214@mail.rapidnet.net> Hey .. I built the Merlin DH5 you traded me 10 years ago . ... . nice kit too .. granted the others weren't so hot. Bob (who has built three Merlin kits ... anyone top that?) ---------- >From: Andreikor@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Steve Perry's AEG >Date: Thu, Mar 15, 2001, 3:17 pm > > Steve, > Gad, there's GOT to be a special medal for someone actually building a Merlin > kit! Looks like it's coming along great, though.... you have my admiration! > Cheers, > Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:29:24 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Steve Perry's AEG Message-ID: --part1_a7.c921e81.27e2aa54_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, Uggie was right, and you are a world class masochist. Merrill --part1_a7.c921e81.27e2aa54_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, Uggie was right, and you are a world class masochist.
Merrill
--part1_a7.c921e81.27e2aa54_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:44:26 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Steve Perry's AEG Message-ID: <69C4F957.3CDDBDF5.3E0364A1@netscape.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > Hey .. I built the Merlin DH5 you traded me 10 years ago . ... . nice kit > too .. granted the others weren't so hot. > > Bob > (who has built three Merlin kits ... anyone top that?) Hi Bob, Is that the reason you haven't built an OT aircraft model in quite a while? :-)) I understand Merlin kits can have that effect. Be careful, Steve. BTW, Bob, I just received the Aerodrome Modeler CD today and am looking forward to reviewing it tonight. Thanks again. Mike K. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:47:47 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Jenny References Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748D9A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Bob, > We did too....... all two squadrons of it - No.1 flying > Dolphins , and No.2 > with the DH9 - granted they never made it out of England. Conceded. I'd forgotten about them - and like the case of the Jenny, so has most everyone else. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:50:02 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Steve Perry's AEG Message-ID: <200103152350.PAA23314@mail.rapidnet.net> You know .. now that I think about it. . the Merlin Canuck or the Maquette Il'ya was the last OT kit I did ...... Bob ---------- >From: RadspadMike@netscape.net > Is that the reason you haven't built an OT aircraft model in quite a while? > :-)) I understand Merlin kits can have that effect. Be careful, Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:50:56 EST From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <49.8c55b48.27e2af60@aol.com> --part1_49.8c55b48.27e2af60_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/15/01 1:46:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: > > This book contains some history, photos, and plans of Jenny drawn by > > Joseph Nieto. > > How accurate are these? Some of the drawings in that book have been > superseded by other sets, and some details on other planes 8albatros, for > example) are completely ficticious. > As I used factory drawings of the Jenny for my kit design, I found they compared very well with Nietos drawings. There were some subtle differences but not significant in my opinion. Ben L. --part1_49.8c55b48.27e2af60_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/15/01 1:46:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes:


>     This book contains some history, photos, and plans of Jenny drawn by
> Joseph Nieto.

How accurate are these? Some of the drawings in that book have been
superseded by other sets, and some details on other planes 8albatros, for
example) are completely ficticious.


As I used factory drawings of the Jenny for my kit design, I found they
compared very well with Nietos drawings. There were some subtle differences
but not significant in my opinion.

Ben L.
--part1_49.8c55b48.27e2af60_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:53:28 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <200103152354.PAA23504@mail.rapidnet.net> >> We did too....... all two squadrons of it - No.1 flying >> Dolphins , and No.2 >> with the DH9 - granted they never made it out of England. > > Conceded. I'd forgotten about them - and like the case of the Jenny, so has > most everyone else. Not forgotten if you want to do a Dolphin with a cool blue/white maple leaf on it. .... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:03:48 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Jenny References Message-ID: <024901c0adac$946808c0$e5885ad1@default> Which, incidentally, can still be seen today on the hockey jersey of any Toronto hockey fan. Brad -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Jenny References > > >>> We did too....... all two squadrons of it - No.1 flying >>> Dolphins , and No.2 >>> with the DH9 - granted they never made it out of England. >> >> Conceded. I'd forgotten about them - and like the case of the Jenny, so has >> most everyone else. > >Not forgotten if you want to do a Dolphin with a cool blue/white maple leaf >on it. .... > >Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:31:50 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Jenny References Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748D9C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Brad says: > Which, incidentally, can still be seen today on the hockey > jersey of any Toronto hockey fan. I didn't even know Canadians *played* hockey. Shane ;-) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:42:57 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Merlin, was Re: Steve Perry's AEG Message-ID: <200103160043.QAA03906@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:28:56 -0500 (EST), Bob Pearson wrote: > (who has built three Merlin kits ... anyone top that?) Hustad... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:52:04 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RVHP Nieuport Triplane Message-ID: <200103160052.QAA13897@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Just received the RVHP 1/72nd French Nieuport Triplane, all resin (thanks, Todd!!! Thanks also for the "extra". :-). Nice! Upon first appearances, and putting it side by side with a corrected Revell Nie.17 fuselage, the fuselage appears accurate, *except* (of course ) for the lack of the exhaust channel. Ah well, at least it's just that... Otherwise the parts appear very nice, too scale with little problems. There are a few airholes - one unfortunately in the wrong place all the way through the cowl - but they're very minimal. I like how they handled the lower and mid wing to fuselage joints. Some clean up but very ingenious. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:55:19 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Merlin, was Re: Steve Perry's AEG Message-ID: <200103160056.QAA26529@mail.rapidnet.net> Oh come on .. a REAL person .. gods don't count Bob ---------- >From: "Matt Bittner" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Merlin, was Re: Steve Perry's AEG >Date: Thu, Mar 15, 2001, 4:46 pm > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:28:56 -0500 (EST), Bob Pearson wrote: > >> (who has built three Merlin kits ... anyone top that?) > > Hustad... > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3190 **********************