WWI Digest 3177 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) The darn thing works!! by "Jim Landon" 2) Re: Blue Rider's Russian and Italian Decal Sheets. by Todd Hayes 3) RE: Creepy coincidences by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 4) Re: The darn thing works!! by RadspadMike@netscape.net 5) Re: The darn thing works!! by "Lee J. Mensinger" 6) Tom's Modelsworks Nieuport 9/10 by Todd Hayes 7) Re: Gotha Build Page by "Jim Landon" 8) Re: The darn thing works!! by KarrArt@aol.com 9) : Re: Taube by "Sandy Adam" 10) Re: Worthwhile ot pics on the SMML site by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 11) New Workbench Photos by "Leonard Endy" 12) Re: Gotha Build Page by Dennis Ugulano 13) Re: Worthwhile ot pics on the SMML site by "Bob Pearson" 14) security tips for web shopping was RE: : Re: Taube by "Gaston Graf" 15) Further dispatches by "Steven M.Perry" 16) Re: security tips for web shopping was RE: : Re: Taube by "TOM PLESHA" 17) Re: Further dispatches by "TOM PLESHA" 18) Re: The darn thing works!! by "Matt Bittner" 19) Rumpler Taube picture on ebay by "Ray Boorman" 20) Re: Rumpler Taube picture on ebay by "TOM PLESHA" 21) Re: How many ASA? Urgent! by David Fleming 22) Re: Rumpler Taube picture on ebay by KarrArt@aol.com 23) Re: Rumpler Taube picture on ebay by "Lee J. Mensinger" 24) Re: How many ASA? Urgent! by "Hans Trauner" 25) Re: Rumpler Taube picture on ebay by "Hans Trauner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:40:34 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: The darn thing works!! Message-ID: We interrupt this program for an important announcement. ***BREAKING NEWS*** SALMSON JOYSTICK OPERATES ELEVATOR IN SUCCESSFUL FIRST TEST Reported by Jim Landon WWI Modelers List Daily Tribune Dateline: March 10, 2001 Tonight Mr. James Landon, second year apprentice model builder for the "Wings Over The Rockies Air And Space Museumm" in Denver Colorado, USA, performed a crucial test with very gratifying results. Mr. Landon painstakingly connected the joystick of his model Salmson 2A2 to the elevator control transfer mechanism. He then mounted the fuselage into the giant assembly fixture, temporarily installed the elevator assembly onto the rear of the fuselage, and connected the control cables to the elevator control horns. Mr. Landon waited until he was certain all epoxy had fully hardened. Holding his breath, he carefully removed the fixtures holding the elevator from moving. With his hand shaking he slowly reached a finger into the unfinished pilot's cockpit. Pushing back on the joystick moved the elevator upward exactly as Mr. Landon had hoped. A great sigh of relief could be heard, followed almost immediately by loud shouting of "Honey come see this." Shortly thereafter Mr. Landon rushed to a pay phone to call in the story you are now reading. Last night and earlier in the day today, there was heavy gray fog of apprehension in the Landon basement laboratory, because the drawings for the Salmson are so unclear and inconsistant. The French drawings, the Japanese drawings and the photos did not even agree with each other. There was concern that moving the joystick a substantial amount might produce only a very small movement of the elevator. Or that the strain would bend or break the delicate parts. At press time there are no photos available of the completed installation, however a new photo of the unpainted brass Joystick assembly is available on the Internet: Go to: http://communities.msn.com/Salmson2A2 Then go to "My Model, Part 1: Fuselage" and jump clear to the bottom of the page. The new pics are "Joystick Assembly" and "Trick for thinning brass tubing". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:57:46 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Blue Rider's Russian and Italian Decal Sheets. Message-ID: <20010311045746.1458.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, I haven't seen the 1:72 sheets. I think they're different than the 1:48. There's at least three in 1:72. It's says a lot about the decal situation that I probably bought all the 1:48 OT Russian markings available in one shot. A whole three sheets. Same for Italy and Belgium. And I'd really like to have ones like you want. Something interesting. Todd --- "Steven M.Perry" wrote: > Thanks Todd > > I have most of those in 1/72. I'm hoping someone > will do some of the more > exotic ones like the demons chasing airplanes and > brandishing vodka bottles. > sp > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Hayes" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 10:51 PM > Subject: Re: Blue Rider's Russian and Italian Decal > Sheets. > > > > Steve, > > > > Blur Rider has several RCW sheets in 1:72 and I > think > > they're different than the 1:48. I only wish they > has > > as many in 1:48. Roll Models has the best price. > > The first sheet (515) has two Camels in PC10. One > has > > a strange looking cross on a white circle and is > from > > the Georgian AF. The second one is a > British-flown > > Camel with Russian roundels attached to the the > Whites > > in Southern Russia. The third a/c is a Spad VII > of > > the Red Navy with a red star natl. markings. > > > > The second sheet has one CDL Bolshevik Spad VII. > It > > has a red star imposed on imperial AS markings. > Next > > is a Nie.23 from the Red Navy. It has an imperial > > navy insignia (anchor w/wings)on the fuselage with > red > > stars on the flying surfaces. The third is a Nie. > > 11/16 of the Red Air Fleet with altered imperial > > roundels. References for both decal sheets are in > > Insignia Magazine, #4 and 6. > > > > Todd > > > > --- "Steven M.Perry" > wrote: > > > The > > > > Russian sheets include two sheets for the > Russian > > > > Civil War. > > > > > > Todd: > > > Are these available in 1/72? > > > Can you describe any of the RCW markings? > > > TIA > > > sp > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great > prices. > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:19:21 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Creepy coincidences Message-ID: > Chris .. describe Matt - supposedly Chris B-R has met him ... I > still don't > believe it though as Matt is really a figment of the unh computer. > Well, I can honestly say that I have met Mr. Bittner. As for a description, I'm not too good with words, so just grab any old French book you have, with photos of the pilots, look at some chap named Nungesser, and mentally age the image about 80 years or so. And that's a pretty close representation. I'm sorry, but I haven't followed this thread much. Just what is it supposed to be about, anyway? Sincerely, Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Illustrator Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:33:59 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The darn thing works!! Message-ID: <486C208B.62A89A50.3E0364A1@netscape.net> Congrats, Jim. I found some of the hinges you were talking about at Hobby Lobby and am going to use them on my 1/28 Fokker D.VII. . . .but connect them to the joystick - - I don't think so. Mike K. Jim Landon wrote: > > We interrupt this program for an important announcement. > > ***BREAKING NEWS*** > > SALMSON JOYSTICK OPERATES ELEVATOR IN SUCCESSFUL FIRST TEST __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:51:08 -0600 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The darn thing works!! Message-ID: <3AAB124C.1A2267A5@x25.net> Congratulations on the birth of you brand new elevator mover.. I this case the umbilical is supposed to remain since it has a further use when completely dried out. I waited with bated breath and a sincere, earnest belief you were going to tell us you turned on the radios and transmitted, "What hath God wrought?" Or "Come here Mr Somebody. I need you." Now is it possible you will be the first to design and install a variable pitch wooden propeller model Salmson 2A2 and make the radios really work. Now for a moment of relaxation. What did the fish say when it ran into a concrete wall? DAM. Now you may go to bed and rest your weary bones.You have gained fame and potential immortality. Lee Jim Landon wrote: > We interrupt this program for an important announcement. > > ***BREAKING NEWS*** > > SALMSON JOYSTICK OPERATES ELEVATOR IN SUCCESSFUL FIRST TEST > > Reported by Jim Landon > WWI Modelers List Daily Tribune > > Dateline: March 10, 2001 > > Tonight Mr. James Landon, second year apprentice model builder for the > "Wings Over The Rockies Air And Space Museumm" in Denver Colorado, USA, > performed a crucial test with very gratifying results. Mr. Landon > painstakingly connected the joystick of his model Salmson 2A2 to the > elevator control transfer mechanism. He then mounted the fuselage into the > giant assembly fixture, temporarily installed the elevator assembly onto the > rear of the fuselage, and connected the control cables to the elevator > control horns. Mr. Landon waited until he was certain all epoxy had fully > hardened. Holding his breath, he carefully removed the fixtures holding the > elevator from moving. With his hand shaking he slowly reached a finger into > the unfinished pilot's cockpit. Pushing back on the joystick moved the > elevator upward exactly as Mr. Landon had hoped. A great sigh of relief > could be heard, followed almost immediately by loud shouting of "Honey come > see this." Shortly thereafter Mr. Landon rushed to a pay phone to call in > the story you are now reading. > > Last night and earlier in the day today, there was heavy gray fog of > apprehension in the Landon basement laboratory, because the drawings for the > Salmson are so unclear and inconsistant. The French drawings, the Japanese > drawings and the photos did not even agree with each other. There was > concern that moving the joystick a substantial amount might produce only a > very small movement of the elevator. Or that the strain would bend or break > the delicate parts. > > At press time there are no photos available of the completed installation, > however a new photo of the unpainted brass Joystick assembly is available on > the Internet: > > Go to: http://communities.msn.com/Salmson2A2 > > Then go to "My Model, Part 1: Fuselage" and jump clear to the bottom of the > page. The new pics are "Joystick Assembly" and "Trick for thinning brass > tubing". > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:50:24 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Tom's Modelsworks Nieuport 9/10 Message-ID: <20010311055024.13386.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone here built this kit? What's your opinion? TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:01:22 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Gotha Build Page Message-ID: 1. I second the "Most impressive" 2. How did you get such clear pictures and only 30K? 3. Two hours baloney! It takes me two hours to decide what I'm going to do next! ;-) Jim OneModelAYear Landon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:23:04 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The darn thing works!! Message-ID: <4c.11e6543b.27dc73c8@aol.com> In a message dated 3/10/01 8:42:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, thegreatlandoni@hotmail.com writes: << Dateline: March 10, 2001 Tonight Mr. James Landon, second year apprentice model builder for the "Wings Over The Rockies Air And Space Museumm" in Denver Colorado, USA, >> went completely over the edge........ do you see Salmson parts when you close your eyes? RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:49:30 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WWI Modelling List" Subject: : Re: Taube Message-ID: <001101c0aa21$a65e1440$03e8b094@sandyada> >I've had problems with on-line booksellers, primarily that they want a >credit card over the net, which I will not do. I have offered to call the >card to them-no dice. If it's any interest, I always send two messages - one with the first 8 digits and name and the other a few minutes later with the second 8 digits and expiry date. I bought a helluva lot of books via abebooks and every dealer has happily accepted this method. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:48:20 -0800 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Worthwhile ot pics on the SMML site Message-ID: <3AAC7134.DB6BE9C0@tac.com.au> TOM PLESHA wrote: > > WOW > TP Yeah, isn't it great The look on her face speaks volumes - she is so proud of that model ;-)) Mistress Lorna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shane & Lorna Jenkins" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 10:56 AM > Subject: Worthwhile ot pics on the SMML site > > > > > Hi gang, > > > > Check out the first two pics on the SMML members models pages & you'll > > be hard pressed not to be moved ;-) > > > > http://www.smml.org.uk/references/models/members_models.html > > > > Regards, > > > > StY & Mistress Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:35:10 -0500 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: New Workbench Photos Message-ID: After the recent talk of the "messy desk" photos three more list members, Marc Flake, Ken Acosta, and Hans Trauner, have submitted photos and they are now on the site. http://www2.firstsaga.com/lfendy/fof_site.htm No fair looking for ot stuff.... Len ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:07:13 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Gotha Build Page Message-ID: <200103110807_MC2-C85B-C8DD@compuserve.com> Dear One A Year, I would only build one a year if they were the size you build. I can get my entire collection on the wings of one that you build. And working elevators. Not in this life time or the one to come. And you call my planes impressive. >> . How did you get such clear pictures and only 30K? << I shoot the pictures at 900k and then use a compression program to get them the size I want. That way I get the resolution I want but make the picture the size I want. Tech Support has given me 100mg on her domain but I would use that up in minutes if I shoot 1mg pictures. And then who would wait forever to look at one picture. If I put my camera at its highest setting, my pictures are 1.5mg. That's great for clarity but not for a web site. I took a picture of my wife's friend and at 5 times magnification, you can see the contact lens on her eyeball and no lose of clarity. >> 3. Two hours baloney! It takes me two hours to decide what I'm going to do next! ;-) << That is consistent with your one a year building. I'm sure it takes that long just to try and interpret all of the drawings you are using. We are at the opposite ends of the scale. I speed build in a scale that you can get away with it. In your scale, you are obligated to detail it. And like you said, you build a plane that will last 100 years. I do believe you said that. Your plane is impressive, bar none. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 3/10/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:45:39 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Worthwhile ot pics on the SMML site Message-ID: <200103111335.FAA20539@mail.rapidnet.net> in regards to .. http://www.smml.org.uk/references/models/members_models.html Lorna says ... > Yeah, isn't it great > > The look on her face speaks volumes - she is so proud of that model > ;-)) > > Mistress Lorna As she should be. I look forward to seeing more of her work. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:15:23 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: security tips for web shopping was RE: : Re: Taube Message-ID: There is still the possiblity to encrypt emails. Also secure sites can be trusted. Watch for the little lock to close in IE or the key to become unbroken in NN as an indicator for secure sites. I often order books from German antiquaric bookstores where most dealers do not accept credit cards over the www. in that case I fax my card details. Also if an online store does not offer a secure connection I prefer to fax my data. The other security measure I took was to ask at my bank for a second VISA account with a very restricted credit limit of only 200$ which I use for web shopping only. If it will really happen that somebody gets my card information and misuses it he/she can't take much profit of it. And still it is not sure that my other VISA card data won't be misused. One of the workmates of my wife is a woman who doesn't have an internet access. But her credit card data got misused after she was shopping at a store in Trier the last time. Then "somebody" had been shopping in Turkey for a lot of money with her credit card info, hence this case proves that not just the web is insecure. I personally shop a lot online but never had probs with it. sincerely Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > >I've had problems with on-line booksellers, primarily that they want a > >credit card over the net, which I will not do. I have offered > to call the > >card to them-no dice. > > If it's any interest, I always send two messages - one with the first 8 > digits and name and the other a few minutes later with the second 8 digits > and expiry date. I bought a helluva lot of books via abebooks and every > dealer has happily accepted this method. > Sandy > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:32:20 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Further dispatches Message-ID: <000701c0aa40$77a05900$2cf2aec7@default> As final enemy resistance was quashed in the aileron sectors, the commander reviewed his tactical options for the final asault on the false ribs. Falling back on sound military doctrine, the commander was determined to expend no more time and resources and expose himself to to no more risk than the mission objectives warranted. The mission was to create the impession of false ribs under the lozenge covering. It was decided to mark the aft extent of the false rib teritory whth a line parallel to the LE. The asault weapon chosen was a sharp #11 blade. the tip was placed on the line and the weapon rocked straight back and around the LE. This left a straight groove. The final and decisive action was taken by laying down a blanket barrage of Future which turned the tiny trenches into tiny raised lines exactly as called for in the mission objectives. Loz operations have begun and the center section is secure. Operations are extending towards the tips and meeting only light resistance in the form of a few loosened pieces of invisible thread. The battle plan was an outstanding success and rapid advances are to be expected soon along the lower wing panel fronts. The first major offensive of the war has proven the mastery of the forces of Alchemy over the evil plastic of the Merlin Empire. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:43:43 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: security tips for web shopping was RE: : Re: Taube Message-ID: <000501c0aa42$0e76bd00$56424c0c@tom> Thanks for the info. I had not thought about an additional card with very limited credit line. I think thats a tremendous idea for on-line purchasing, especially for internatinal purchases. I, for one, shall investigate it this week. Thanks TP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaston Graf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: security tips for web shopping was RE: : Re: Taube > There is still the possiblity to encrypt emails. Also secure sites can be > trusted. Watch for the little lock to close in IE or the key to become > unbroken in NN as an indicator for secure sites. > > I often order books from German antiquaric bookstores where most dealers do > not accept credit cards over the www. in that case I fax my card details. > Also if an online store does not offer a secure connection I prefer to fax > my data. > > The other security measure I took was to ask at my bank for a second VISA > account with a very restricted credit limit of only 200$ which I use for web > shopping only. If it will really happen that somebody gets my card > information and misuses it he/she can't take much profit of it. And still it > is not sure that my other VISA card data won't be misused. One of the > workmates of my wife is a woman who doesn't have an internet access. But her > credit card data got misused after she was shopping at a store in Trier the > last time. Then "somebody" had been shopping in Turkey for a lot of money > with her credit card info, hence this case proves that not just the web is > insecure. I personally shop a lot online but never had probs with it. > > sincerely > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > >I've had problems with on-line booksellers, primarily that they want a > > >credit card over the net, which I will not do. I have offered > > to call the > > >card to them-no dice. > > > > If it's any interest, I always send two messages - one with the first 8 > > digits and name and the other a few minutes later with the second 8 digits > > and expiry date. I bought a helluva lot of books via abebooks and every > > dealer has happily accepted this method. > > Sandy > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:55:04 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Further dispatches Message-ID: <000b01c0aa43$a3ba4c00$56424c0c@tom> To the CIC of the Alchemy Forces: Congratulations are in order for the successful routing of the initial engaement with the mis-guided Merlin Empire. It is with great pleasure to commend upon success. If the trenches were to extend further resistence to the successful onslaught of trench filling, one might consider the additional approach of laying/wiping the filling material through a puddle thin CA and then dropping/laying the trench filler into the defined trenches. Please continue the successful onslaught and report accordingly. Cpl TP Sopwith Reconstruction Forces ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven M.Perry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:34 AM Subject: Further dispatches > As final enemy resistance was quashed in the aileron sectors, the commander > reviewed his tactical options for the final asault on the false ribs. > Falling back on sound military doctrine, the commander was determined to > expend no more time and resources and expose himself to to no more risk than > the mission objectives warranted. > > The mission was to create the impession of false ribs under the lozenge > covering. It was decided to mark the aft extent of the false rib teritory > whth a line parallel to the LE. The asault weapon chosen was a sharp #11 > blade. the tip was placed on the line and the weapon rocked straight back > and around the LE. This left a straight groove. The final and decisive > action was taken by laying down a blanket barrage of Future which turned the > tiny trenches into tiny raised lines exactly as called for in the mission > objectives. > > Loz operations have begun and the center section is secure. Operations are > extending towards the tips and meeting only light resistance in the form of > a few loosened pieces of invisible thread. The battle plan was an > outstanding success and rapid advances are to be expected soon along the > lower wing panel fronts. > > The first major offensive of the war has proven the mastery of the forces of > Alchemy over the evil plastic of the Merlin Empire. > > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:52:11 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: The darn thing works!! Message-ID: <200103111652.IAA02383@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:44:26 -0500 (EST), Jim Landon wrote: > We interrupt this program for an important announcement. > > ***BREAKING NEWS*** > > SALMSON JOYSTICK OPERATES ELEVATOR IN SUCCESSFUL FIRST TEST Totally, totally cool, but also totally, totally insane. ;-) Way to go, Jim!! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:22:08 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "Wwi@Wwi-Models. Org" Subject: Rumpler Taube picture on ebay Message-ID: All the talk of Taubes had me searching Ebay. There is a nice postcard on ebay of a Lady in the cockpit of a Taube. Not suggesting anyone buy the postcard, more an interesting view. I wonder if the Lady was actually the pilot?? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1121780748 Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:26:10 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Rumpler Taube picture on ebay Message-ID: <000501c0aa69$83112200$22464c0c@tom> It's neat. TP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Boorman" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: Rumpler Taube picture on ebay > All the talk of Taubes had me searching Ebay. There is a nice postcard on > ebay of a Lady in the cockpit of a Taube. Not suggesting anyone buy the > postcard, more an interesting view. I wonder if the Lady was actually the > pilot?? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1121780748 > > Ray > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:33:01 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: How many ASA? Urgent! Message-ID: <3AABE0FD.3EFB55DE@dial.pipex.com> Hans Trauner wrote: > Neil, > avoid flashlight as fa as you can. I can only speak for european museums, > but as a rule you are allowed to take pics everywhere - but without using > flashlight. For my museum excursions I always use 800 ASA minimum, 1000 ASA > if available. The times when these films had grain like lozenge fabric are > over. For any household and collector use they are really fine. > > Hans Mmmm. I've never had problems with using flash in any UK aircraft Museum. Tripods, now that's another story !!!! D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:06:00 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rumpler Taube picture on ebay Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/01 11:27:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: << All the talk of Taubes had me searching Ebay. There is a nice postcard on ebay of a Lady in the cockpit of a Taube. Not suggesting anyone buy the postcard, more an interesting view. I wonder if the Lady was actually the pilot?? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1121780748 >> Most likely it is Mellie Beese, famous pre-war lady pilot. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:37:01 -0600 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rumpler Taube picture on ebay Message-ID: <3AABEFFD.2A794AD7@x25.net> --------------09AA69082D53CCA26C3DFC0D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It might be possible to check out the validity of the lady. She was Fraulien, (single woman), Beese in a Rumpler Taube and the photo was taken at Johannisthal Airport in Germany. I believe the airfield still exists. Gaston Graf probably knows if it does or not and he might have access to books on early German Women Pilots. I believe we have a member or two in Germany who might answer the question. Lee M. KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/11/01 11:27:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: > > << All the talk of Taubes had me searching Ebay. There is a nice postcard on > ebay of a Lady in the cockpit of a Taube. Not suggesting anyone buy the > postcard, more an interesting view. I wonder if the Lady was actually the > pilot?? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1121780748 > >> > > Most likely it is Mellie Beese, famous pre-war lady pilot. > RK --------------09AA69082D53CCA26C3DFC0D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It might be possible to check out the validity of the lady. She was Fraulien, (single woman), Beese in a Rumpler Taube and the photo was taken at Johannisthal Airport in Germany.  I believe the airfield still exists.

Gaston Graf probably knows if it does or not and he might have access to books on early German Women Pilots.

I believe we have a member or two in Germany who might answer the question.

Lee M.
 
 

KarrArt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 3/11/01 11:27:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes:

<< All the talk of Taubes had me searching Ebay. There is a nice postcard on
 ebay of a Lady in the cockpit of a Taube. Not suggesting anyone buy the
 postcard, more an interesting view. I wonder if the Lady was actually the
 pilot??
 

 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1121780748
  >>

Most likely it is Mellie Beese, famous pre-war lady pilot.
RK

--------------09AA69082D53CCA26C3DFC0D-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:02:25 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: How many ASA? Urgent! Message-ID: <001401c0aa76$f4ecdb00$e4a172d4@custom-pc> > >Mmmm. I've never had problems with using flash in any UK aircraft Museum. >Tripods, now that's another story !!!! > >D > No rule without exceptions. They simply don't want to have professional pics taken, so they don't like flashlight, tripods etc. But usually you only get the right information when it is too late, and that's why I trust only in high ASA films. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:27:07 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Rumpler Taube picture on ebay Message-ID: <001b01c0aa7a$6854e4e0$e4a172d4@custom-pc> > >It might be possible to check out the validity of the lady. She was Fraulien, >(single woman), Beese in a Rumpler Taube and the photo was taken at Johannisthal >Airport in Germany. I believe the airfield still exists. > >Gaston Graf probably knows if it does or not and he might have access to books >on early German Women Pilots. > >I believe we have a member or two in Germany who might answer the question. > >Lee M. She is it. Fraeulein Melli Beese was the first woman in Germany to get a pilot's licence (1911). Exactly the same picture can be found in ' Das Buch der deutschen Luftfahrtgeschichte' by Peter Supf, page 383. Her correct name was Amelie Hedwig Beese, daughter of a saxony architect, born on 13th Sept 1886 in Laubegast near Dresden. Before she was fascinated with flying she started a career as an artist, studying in Stockholm as a sculptor. She learned flying from Thelen, Mossner and Helmuth Hirth. She got her licence on her birthday, 13th Sept. 1911. In 1912 she and her later husband Charles Boutard started to run a flying school. Both got interned when war broke out. After the war she tried to start her career again, but failed. She committed suicide on 22th Dec.1925 Hans ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3177 **********************