WWI Digest 3138

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: Argie pilot commands...
	by "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
  2) RE: HitKit saw blade
	by Volker Haeusler <haeusler@tm.net.my>
  3) RE: McGyver would be proud! - was Blackadder
	by Ivan Subrt <infosilver@czechia.com>
  4) RE: Parabellum mount color
	by Volker Haeusler <haeusler@tm.net.my>
  5) RE: back with the questions again
	by Volker Haeusler <haeusler@tm.net.my>
  6) Re: Home truths / was: New FMP Books
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
  7) Dale Beamish kits for sale
	by Tim Crofoot <tcrofoot@yahoo.com>
  8) Links updated
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  9) FLASH! Roden Gothas are in!
	by "Brian Nicklas" <Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu>
 10) Re: Joystick Kits
	by John_Impenna@hyperion.com
 11) Re: Joystick Kits
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 12) Re: Flash! Roden Gothas are in!
	by "Mark Shannon" <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
 13) RE: Flash! Roden Gothas are in!
	by "Ray Boorman" <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
 14) RE: Flash! Roden Gothas are in!
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 15) RE: Flash! Roden Gothas are in!
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
 16) Re: Parabellum mount color
	by "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
 17) Re: German pilot commands...
	by "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
 18) RE: HitKit saw blade
	by "Harris, Mack" <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
 19) RE: German pilot commands...
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 20) Re: New 1:48 Nieuport 17 Decals by Aeromaster
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 21) Re: 0/400 update
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 22) Re: 0/400 update
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 23) Re: 0/400 update
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 24) Re: Dale Beamish kits for sale
	by "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
 25) Re: New FMP Books
	by "Jim Landon" <thegreatlandoni@hotmail.com>
 26) Re: German pilot commands...
	by "David C. Fletcher" <dcf@mars.ark.com>
 27) RE: German pilot commands...
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 28) Re: New FMP Books
	by "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:54:35 +0100
From: "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Argie pilot commands...
Message-ID: <NEEILCFEPCBGPDBHJFKHMECNCIAA.ggraf@vo.lu>

<Grin> - I forwarded this to the Alphasim team. Let's see if they will
include it in Combat Aces.

One of the reasons why I love this list is the humor or people like the D or
E types. You make us LoL = you make us happy ;o)

cheers

 Gaston Graf
(ggraf@vo.lu)
Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at:
http://www.jastaboelcke.de


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of
> dfernet0
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:05 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Argie pilot commands...
>
>
> Usual pilot's commands in spanish (a true history)
> crewman:"corte?"
> pilot:"corte" (hand in switch, keeping the off position)
> (crew turns prop 5 or 6 times to get some compression from that old
> continental engine)
> c:"libre?"
> p:"LIBRE!" (crew takes position is front of the airplane, with a slightly
> nervous face as it handles gingerly the propeller blades. The pilot feels
> amused)
> c:"CONTACTO!"
> p:"CONTACTO!" (the pilot switchs on, and forwards the throttle
> just-til-there)
> the crewman swings the blade with all his strenght. The balde turns 1/4 of
> circle, then kicks back. Silence.
> p:" que m***da pasa?"
> c:"...mmmph, c***rajo, no sé." (the crewman with hands on his hips stares
> blankly to the engine)
> p:"CORTE" (all the previous scene repeats 2 or three times until...)
> the crewman, 50% pi**ed off, 50% scared, 50% tired -arithmetics
> nonwithstanding- swings the propeller as an insult, then the prop
> turns, the
> engine coughs, all the airplane shivers as it comes to life. The grass
> behind the plane flattens and there's a nice smell in the early
> morning air.
> The pilot smiles and takes the revs down to satisfaction. The crewman gets
> the wheels chocks away and walk away from there, mumbling imprecations.
> Ahh, the joys of man-powered engine starts!
> D.
> former PA-11 pilot
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Limon3 <Limon3@email.msn.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: German pilot commands...
>
>
> > Hans,
> > Don't forget  Mi*rda for Diego and I (espańol).
> > Gabe
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hans Trauner <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: German pilot commands...
> >
> >
> > >>Then from the French pilots, "M***e!" when it wouldn't start! .... :-}
> > >Gabe
> > >
> > >German:  Sch****e or  Mi*t,  english Sh** ! Great idea! I'll
> mail this to
> > >Hans in the Netherlands. And in the U.S. this SIM will be rated 'For
> adults
> > >only'! XXX!
> > >
> > >Huns
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:42:43 +0700
From: Volker Haeusler <haeusler@tm.net.my>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: RE: HitKit saw blade
Message-ID: <PIEDKPMPLLECGIPNNGNPEEEJCGAA.haeusler@tm.net.my>

Karen,

the nearest thing I ever got is the "razor saw" from JLC. Exactly as you
describe it, a razor blade with incredibly fine saw teeth at both edges, but
it comes with a very nice wooden handle. Very obviously handmade by the guy
behind JLC, who was actually living in the same street I lived in in my time
in the Czech Republic (in the world famous town of Roznov pod
Radhostem...)95-98 - he also did some very nice ot resins, mainly things
flown during the sequel. That stuff is still available, I saw it at Detlev
Schorsch´s Modellbaustudio Rhein-Ruhr during a business trip to Germany late
last year

Volker

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Karen
Rychlewski
Sent: 28 February 2001 04:30
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: HitKit saw blade


About 10 years ago I bought an incredibly useful modeling tool, which
promptly disappeared when I needed more; so let's see if any of you know
about it

It was a "Superfine Saw Blade" by HitKit, set No. A 004, 0.1mm. It's
exactly the size and shape of a double-edged razor blade, but instead of
straight blade edges, it has very tiny teeth. Was made of 'laser-cut
steel' according to the package. It did not fit into any sort of handle,
which made using it kinda tricky. Very useful for cutting the narrowest
kerf I've ever seen; the car and truck guys in my local club loved them
for opening doors and hoods. Every model show I go to, I ask vendors
about it and the usual reply is along the lines of "Yeah, I remember
those--haven't seen one in years"

So, is it still available and where?

Dame Karen


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:01:04 +0100
From: Ivan Subrt <infosilver@czechia.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: McGyver would be proud! - was Blackadder
Message-ID: <01C0A18F.74E2F4C0@GEN_SUBRT>

Dave,

could you please place a sketch of your setup somewhere or provide more 
detailed description. Seems to be highly interesting. Enquiring minds etc.

Cheers!

Ivan Subrt
http://www.czechia.com/silverbird

"The air is our sea." Czech proverb

-----Původní zpráva-----
Od:	DAVID BURKE [SMTP:dora9@sprynet.com]
Odesláno:	28. února 2001 6:02
Komu:	Multiple recipients of list
Předmět:	McGyver would be proud! - was Blackadder

Success!

    O.K., I'll start taking pics of this beast this week.  But I am
extremely pleased with myself, having just vacuformed the engine nacelles
for the Gotha!  I home-made my vac setup from the following:

1 small 4"x5"sheet of .080 aluminum
1 35mm film cannister
1 electrical outlet box
1/2 tube of Liquid Nails

.and of course, this was the perfect excuse to get a 7-gallon Shop-Vac
(actually quite inexpensive and handy around the house!).

The vacuum area is rather small, but it worked great - even was able to 
make
some new canopies for the 1/32 Me-262 that has been in a nearly-completed
state for a while.  Squadron is going to lose a customer as far as the vac
canopies go!  I am going to build a bigger rig eventually - God only knows
what sort of trouble I can get into vacuforming things: how about a
scratchbuilt 1/24 Albatros D.V from Jasta 5 to go with the Camel (when I
finally finish it) and the SPADs!

    Easy boy, finish the Gotha first...


DB







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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:04:30 +0700
From: Volker Haeusler <haeusler@tm.net.my>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: RE: Parabellum mount color
Message-ID: <PIEDKPMPLLECGIPNNGNPEEEKCGAA.haeusler@tm.net.my>

Bucky,

to your comments:

"I think the subject of the report you refer to was a
Fried. G.III (as opposed to G.IIIa), and thus equipped with the old
LVG-style mount."

Right, the report describes a G III fitted with a Schneider (AKA LVG) gun
ring.

"The ones I'm scratching are German copies of the Brit Scarff ring..
Would a kind of RLM02 be acceptable for the bars and gun mount and some sort
of steel color for the rings? Or do you think the rings would have also been
laminate?"

That ring is most probably the Hussmann one. I think I have something on
that one, but don´t know where to search for it at this moment. However,
there is a photo of the Hussmann ring in St. Harry´s "Early Aircraft
Armament", p 143. Difficult to judge, but the photo shows two rather
complicated rings of different colour mounted together. To me the lower ring
looks like something you would do from wood, not steel (given its form -
just consider the amount of work going into milling/turning such a profile)
Given the different colour, it might be varnished wood. Then again, the ring
is obvuiously a demo version, not one mounted in an aircraft...

"While I'm at it, anyone have any good tips for doing the Tom's Modelworks
Parabellums?"

Whiskey helps...

Volker



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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:04:31 +0700
From: Volker Haeusler <haeusler@tm.net.my>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: RE: back with the questions again
Message-ID: <PIEDKPMPLLECGIPNNGNPGEEKCGAA.haeusler@tm.net.my>

Jan,

on the Friedrichshafen you asked:
"> Not sure on the colour, but the "Report on the Friedrichshafen Bomber"
> issued by the Technical Department, MoM states:
>
Is that published somewhere? Could you cite the source, please.

Jan"

Originally published in "Flight", July 1918. Reprinted a number of times, eg
C&C (US) vol 26 no 2 (the last issue of that magazine), but i think it was
also in C&C (I) - look at the index of their webpage - and in part in a WS
magazine. Good stuff, giving a lot of information on that bird (but as noted
in my earlier mail to Bucky´s question, it deals specifically with the
earlier G III).

Volker


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:25:44 
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Home truths / was: New FMP Books
Message-ID: <F7dzxxfYXFrwiZ9rWjA0000df1f@hotmail.com>

>From: "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>

>The problem with dead tree publishing is it is
>priced what it is worth to the publishers, not
>what it is worth to us. Why not instead announce
>it as an electronic publication, describe what is
>in it in detail without actually releasing the
>publication to the public. That way people can
>say it is worth $10 to me and others can say it
>is worth $50 to me. 1-0h buyers can say it is
>worth $5 to me ( a market which would be lost
>with a $50USD book ). They can give the money to
>the author ( directly!) ....

>That way we all get to view without
>discrimination on a monetary basis,...
...
>Western culture has been so brainwashed on
>*property* and *ownership* that it takes thinking
>differantly to contribute to this way of payment
>for author ( or model making ) efforts and time.

Regarding pricing; I thought that's what I suggested.  In other words, the 
price starts off high and those who really want it or can afford it, buy it. 
  The price falls, people jump in to buy, and this continues until all the 
items are sold.  This is also a form of what economists call "Price 
discrimination" (nothing to with being racist or sexist etc.) - where people 
with different intensities and wealth are charged different prices.  In this 
case, the richer and more avid consumers are charged more.  Is that fair?  
Who knows.  If you say things like "fairness" or "justice" in economics 
graduate school, you get a D!

Regarding property rights and ownership; it is all well and good to advocate 
the free flow of information and voluntary donations of resources to those 
who produce these things.  However, without establishment of property 
rights, these things won't be produced in the first place. There is a trade 
off here between assigning ownership, which gives an incentive to produce, 
and giving someone a small "monopoly", which gives them an incentive to 
charge more.

Political economists have been scratching their heads (and other parts) for 
centuries over this issue.  I'll let let you know when we find something 
interesting.

Mich_AE_l

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 05:42:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Tim Crofoot <tcrofoot@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Dale Beamish kits for sale
Message-ID: <20010228134217.9021.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com>

Dale,

In case you did not receive my e-mail, please return
the Starstrutter that I sent you last year.

Thanks,

Tim

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:09:03 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Links updated
Message-ID: <3A94141400279186@mail01.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail01.san.yahoo.com)

Note that I just updated the links page.  Robert Karr's page was
already there; Tom Plesha' site has been added; and a link to Scale
Link was added.  If there any more links people think should be added,
please send them.


Matt Bittner
WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-)



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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:33:16 -0500
From: "Brian Nicklas" <Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: FLASH! Roden Gothas are in!
Message-ID: <OFE1DE599C.33849FBF-ON85256A01.00553B9A@si.edu>

Just got this note from a dealer:
"The Roden ROD72002 1/72 Gotha G.II/III $22.95 have arrived."
 So, is this a good US price for this kit?
(Although I will still probably wait for a later mark Gotha, mulitiple
fighters I can do, bombers it's one each I'm afraid...



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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:34:54 -0500
From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Joystick Kits
Message-ID: <OFCBCF5C32.9782C74A-ON85256A01.00550642@hyperion.com>


Thanks to Dennis and Ray for their responses on these. Joystick offers some
very interesting subjects.

Regards,
John


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:36:16 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Joystick Kits
Message-ID: <3A94141400281838@mail01.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail01.san.yahoo.com)

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:40:01 -0500 (EST), John_Impenna@hyperion.com
wrote:

> Thanks to Dennis and Ray for their responses on these. Joystick offers some
> very interesting subjects.

Another advantage to the Joystick Nie.24/27 is it's *accurate* with
excellent decals.  Plus, isn't the AR.1 done by Joystick?  Hmmm...the
memory is failing...

Now if we could just get someone to do the AR.2...and the F.50...and
the G.6...and the...


Matt Bittner



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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:44:25 -0600
From: "Mark Shannon" <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Flash! Roden Gothas are in!
Message-ID: <sa9cc883.055@smtpgate.tnrcc.state.tx.us>

Yes.  This is a good price as long as you don't get charged a hefty arm and leg for 'shipping'

Here in Austin I have fondled the plastic at my local plastic pusher, whose prices are reasonable, and they have it marked at $28.95.  When the Governor of the Great State of Texas's and the Honorable Mayor of the City of Austin's shares are added on to that, it would be $31.30.

It looks really sweet - I keep getting this urge to cross scale lines.....

(Sound of heavy breathing and Matt saying, "Mark, join me and learn the POWER of the Dark Side.  Together we can rule the galaxy!")

.Mark.

Brian Nicklas wrote:

>Just got this note from a dealer:
>"The Roden ROD72002 1/72 Gotha G.II/III $22.95 have arrived."
 >So, is this a good US price for this kit?
>(Although I will still probably wait for a later mark Gotha, mulitiple
>fighters I can do, bombers it's one each I'm afraid...



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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:59:34 -0800
From: "Ray Boorman" <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Flash! Roden Gothas are in!
Message-ID: <NEBBJGMJOLHELAKFFMJFAEEBCHAA.Ray_Boorman@telus.net>

I have two of these beast's one to build now and one to ponder on. One
question both of mine have sink marks and a distorted area around the sink
mark. This is on the fuselage side about halfway down. Anyone else have this
problem. Not that it is a real big problem, just something I noticed.

Ray

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Mark
> Shannon
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 7:49 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: Flash! Roden Gothas are in!
>
>
> Yes.  This is a good price as long as you don't get charged a
> hefty arm and leg for 'shipping'
>
> Here in Austin I have fondled the plastic at my local plastic
> pusher, whose prices are reasonable, and they have it marked at
> $28.95.  When the Governor of the Great State of Texas's and the
> Honorable Mayor of the City of Austin's shares are added on to
> that, it would be $31.30.
>
> It looks really sweet - I keep getting this urge to cross scale lines.....
>
> (Sound of heavy breathing and Matt saying, "Mark, join me and
> learn the POWER of the Dark Side.  Together we can rule the galaxy!")
>
> .Mark.
>
> Brian Nicklas wrote:
>
> >Just got this note from a dealer:
> >"The Roden ROD72002 1/72 Gotha G.II/III $22.95 have arrived."
>  >So, is this a good US price for this kit?
> >(Although I will still probably wait for a later mark Gotha, mulitiple
> >fighters I can do, bombers it's one each I'm afraid...
>
>
>


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:23:55 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Flash! Roden Gothas are in!
Message-ID: <03d701c0a1a2$d8e787c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Mark wrote:
> (Sound of heavy breathing and Matt saying, "Mark, join me and learn the
POWER of the Dark Side.  Together we can rule the galaxy!")

Not too bad as a proposition(ruling a galaxy must be cool).The worst
possible scenario would be: "Mark, join me -etc. etc.- I'M YOUR FATHER"
D.
Does anyone know of a 1/72 Millenium Falcon to get out of here?


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:29:14 +0100
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Flash! Roden Gothas are in!
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A039026D0@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>

ROTFLMAO
/Neil
 
> Not too bad as a proposition(ruling a galaxy must be cool).The worst
> possible scenario would be: "Mark, join me -etc. etc.- I'M 
> YOUR FATHER"
> D.

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:17:54 +0100
From: "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Parabellum mount color
Message-ID: <000c01c0a1aa$63fcd480$2da272d4@custom-pc>

>Volker,
>
>Thanks for the info. I think the subject of the report you refer to was a
>Fried. G.III (as opposed to G.IIIa), and thus equipped with the old
>LVG-style mount.
>
>The ones I'm scratching are German copies of the Brit Scarff ring

Bucky, Volker,
I found a quite good pic of captured GIIIa  1429/16 in C&C (UK)  Vol 14 No4
1983 on page 189. The pic was taken on a IWM exhibition in Crystal Palace
after the war. The Parabellum mount which is visible is that from the upper
fuselage behind the wings. For me it looks like a german variant of a Scarff
ring.
BUT - the ring itself is somehow broad and deep - certainly not from metal.
It could easily be from the wood variant, but if is painted or only
varnished ??  But the reversed-U-shaped , movable part is a painted metal
rod. I would suggest a dark variant of the famous 'green/gray', the standard
'Feldgrau' used a base colour of nearly all weaponry = dark RLM02, if you
like.

Scan available on special request.

Hans


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:25:45 +0100
From: "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: German pilot commands...
Message-ID: <001701c0a1ab$7c537e20$2da272d4@custom-pc>

>Hans,
>Don't forget  Mi*rda for Diego and I (espańol).
>Gabe

Great!

But wait...Hmmm... interesting. To be honest, I have no idea which a/c types
Spain used in WWI......Argentina had SVA's or so.

I even don't know, if Friend or Foe? ( I am a Hun). Neutral? Which markings
did Spain use?? Questions, questions...

Hans


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:26:49 -0600
From: "Harris, Mack" <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: HitKit saw blade
Message-ID: <E163A98BC3D0D2119CAA0000832180C203EBD7F3@exchange6.health.state.ok.us>

I contacted the man selling those (he lives right here in Oklahoma) and he
has 3 or 4 left that he will sell for 2.50 postpaid.  I got his permission
to give out his name and email.
So for those of you interested it's John Kuehnert kuehnerr@ou.edu
<mailto:kuehnerr@ou.edu> 
Mack Harris

		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Al Superczynski [mailto:modeleral@up-link.net]
		Sent:	Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:28 AM
		To:	Multiple recipients of list
		Subject:	Re: HitKit saw blade

		On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:30:10 -0500 (EST), Karen wrote:

		>...is it still available and where?

		     I recently won an eBay auction for a saw of the same
description
		but made by Sign Models.  The guy had a total of ten for
sale and only
		got three bids!  I asked if he'd sell me more but I don't
think the
		winning bids were what he was hoping for as he indicated
that he would
		relist the remainder later on - you might want to set up an
ongoing
		search with eBay just in case he does -
	
http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?PersonalShopperViewSearches.
		Here's a link to the original auction:

	
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=560760246&r=0&t=0&sho
wTutorial=0&ed=983028349&indexURL=0&rd=1

		HTH,
		Al
		http://apollo.up-link.net/~modeleral
		

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:43:08 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: German pilot commands...
Message-ID: <041f01c0a1ad$ea74a120$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Hans:
As we were quite safe during the 1914/18 unpleasantness, many of the WW1
types arrived here at the beggining of 1919. Pre war types used here were a
variety of Farman, caudron and Bleriot designs and some rare indigenous
conversions from these. There was even 4 different tauben! (I'd be glad if I
can get a clear picture of at least one!). After the war, British planes
like the Bristol fighter and AVRO 504 were introduced in significant numbers
as many nieuport designs. As for the Italian designs, here's a list I
compiled on known italian planes on official argentinian record:
Ansaldo SVA5
Ansaldo SVA10
Ansaldo Tipo A 300/4 (what's this???)
Caproni Triplane bomber
Fiat R.2
Fiat A.S.1
Nieuport  Macchi M.5
Nieuport Macchi M.7
Nieuport Macchi M.9
Romeo R.5
SAML (I don't know wich one)

The book mentions various Fokker biplanes as well but I think that they were
single specimens given just for War reparations (Argentina declared war to
the Central Powers just days before it ended).
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Trauner <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: German pilot commands...


> >Hans,
> >Don't forget  Mi*rda for Diego and I (espańol).
> >Gabe
>
> Great!
>
> But wait...Hmmm... interesting. To be honest, I have no idea which a/c
types
> Spain used in WWI......Argentina had SVA's or so.
>
> I even don't know, if Friend or Foe? ( I am a Hun). Neutral? Which
markings
> did Spain use?? Questions, questions...
>
> Hans
>


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:17:16 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: New 1:48 Nieuport 17 Decals by Aeromaster
Message-ID: <12.9658485.27ce9aac@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/27/01 12:51:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, muzu@ptd.net 
writes:

<<  For those just on the list, you don't know how nice this list is until
 you are off it for a few months.
 Glad to be back.
 Mike Muth
  >>

Good to see you return!
RK

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:17:14 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: 0/400 update
Message-ID: <37.115aaa83.27ce9aaa@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/27/01 8:17:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
RadspadMike@netscape.net writes:

<< 
 Thanks Robert, I never realized what a work of art it was, but, of course, 
that's what you do. :-)  I don't know what the old Airfix kit will end up 
looking like, but your scratch-build depiction will certainly make it look 
better.
 
 Thanks again,
 Mike K. >>

Hey- I ain't exactly "Mr. 1/72", but I have to admit the Airfix kit does have 
potential, although whoever was responsible for the fuselage moldings should 
track down the person responsible for the wings and do unspeakably painful 
things to him!
RK

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:16:37 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: 0/400 update
Message-ID: <ca.11757680.27ce9a85@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/28/01 4:01:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
Neil.Crawford@volvo.com writes:

<< Yeah, give him all the nobel-prizes, then he has to come to
 Stockholm to fetch them, and me and Mĺrten get to meet him,
 and maybe he can fix us tickets to the banquet:-)
 /Neil >>

Yeah, but I'd probably have to wear a necktie.....and maybe even long 
pants......and......and..... shoes.
RK

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:17:13 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: 0/400 update
Message-ID: <a9.12532508.27ce9aa9@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/27/01 8:30:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes:

<< 
 RK,
 
 It still looks pretty good !
 
 Mmmm. I wonder where I could get the information necessary to make an 0/100
 ?
 
 Seems that I'd like to build the one used by 1AFC some day.
 
 Shane
  >>

Thanks...although these days it needs a good cleaning....
As for a 0/100, I did run across a oot of stuff when researching the 0/400. 
Obviously, the main thing would be the engine nacelles, but it looks like 
there are some small details things- various fuselage openings- crap like 
that.
RK

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:11:53 -0700
From: "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Dale Beamish kits for sale
Message-ID: <007a01c0a1b2$bda60a80$3832b8a1@darcy>

Tim
I did receive your message and have sent one to you.It was already set
aside.
Dale

> In case you did not receive my e-mail, please return
> the Starstrutter that I sent you last year.



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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:30:10 
From: "Jim Landon" <thegreatlandoni@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: New FMP Books
Message-ID: <F2850rBk6UV19RvO0zN0000c02f@hotmail.com>

Mike K said: <<I need some drawings, various aircraft markings, etc. to 
decide just which aircraft I want to do>>

Were you aware that there are Salmson 2A2 drawings in the book: "Scale 
Aircraft Drawings, Vol I, WWI"?  That's all I had when I first started.  I 
didn't put them on my website because of copyright, plus that book is 
readily available and I thought everybody on this list had a copy.

Jim
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:48:10 -0800
From: "David C. Fletcher" <dcf@mars.ark.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: German pilot commands...
Message-ID: <3A9D47EA.3060604@mars.ark.com>

Hans Trauner wrote:

"I have no idea which a/c types Spain used in WWI..."

Spain produced "Flecha" type indigenously built biplanes.  From photo's, 
these appear to have had German-type inline six cylinder engines for the 
most part, although some have V-type engines with a Hispano-Suiza look. 
  There were five squadrons of landplanes (at Madrid, Alcala, Sevilla, 
Guadalajara and Cartagena) and one of seaplanes (at Cartagena).  There 
were also three squadrons in Morocco (at Melilla, Tetouan and Arcila). 
That is from the 1919 Jane's.  I don't have the 1918 edition which 
describes the types in use in more detail.

Dave Fletcher
-- 
Visit us at our Home Page:
<http://mars.ark.com/~dcf/>


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:51:52 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: German pilot commands...
Message-ID: <045b01c0a1b7$83f2fa00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

You're right, as ever, Dave!
I seem to remember nice drawings of a Flecha somewhere at home... it had a
quite raked wing. They also had a monoplane version.
Juan de la Cierva made his first autogiro out of a derelict AVRO 504
fuselage.
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: David C. Fletcher <dcf@mars.ark.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: German pilot commands...


> Hans Trauner wrote:
>
> "I have no idea which a/c types Spain used in WWI..."
>
> Spain produced "Flecha" type indigenously built biplanes.  From photo's,
> these appear to have had German-type inline six cylinder engines for the
> most part, although some have V-type engines with a Hispano-Suiza look.
>   There were five squadrons of landplanes (at Madrid, Alcala, Sevilla,
> Guadalajara and Cartagena) and one of seaplanes (at Cartagena).  There
> were also three squadrons in Morocco (at Melilla, Tetouan and Arcila).
> That is from the 1919 Jane's.  I don't have the 1918 edition which
> describes the types in use in more detail.
>
> Dave Fletcher
> --
> Visit us at our Home Page:
> <http://mars.ark.com/~dcf/>
>


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:01:12 -0800
From: "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: New FMP Books
Message-ID: <200102281904.LAA27258@mail.rapidnet.net>

My CD has some never before seen Salmson markings (well okay .. they were at
IM as well). ... although I must admit I don't know if Juanita did them as
well for the Salmson book .. we both had access to the same references
courtesy of FMP.

Bob

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> Mike K said: <<I need some drawings, various aircraft markings, etc. to
> decide just which aircraft I want to do>>

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