WWI Digest 3129 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: As good as yellow vs. green was: Pfalz Review on PMMS by Volker Haeusler 2) Re: Handling problems+CURING TIME by RadspadMike@netscape.net 3) RE: More from Knights of the Air. by "Ray Boorman" 4) kits for sale by Myles Miller 5) by "Dale Beamish" 6) RE: Handling Problems by "Nigel Rayner" 7) update - kits for sale by Myles Miller 8) Re: Handling problems by "Hans Trauner" 9) Re: Paint Stripper by "Hans Trauner" 10) Re: Handley-Page O/400 References by "Hans Trauner" 11) Re: As good as yellow vs. green was: Pfalz Review on PMMS by "Hans Trauner" 12) RE: More on topic models coming! by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 13) RE: More on topic models coming! by "dfernet0" 14) Re: German pilot commands... by "Hans Trauner" 15) Re: More on topic models coming! by Todd Hayes 16) RE: More on topic models coming! by "Matt Bittner" 17) Re: More on topic models coming! by "Matt Bittner" 18) RE: More on topic models coming! by "dfernet0" 19) New WWI SIM! by "Hans Trauner" 20) Re: More on topic models coming! by Todd Hayes 21) Maurice Farman XI by "Michael Kendix" 22) Re: More on topic models coming! by GRBroman@aol.com 23) That Salmson book by "Jim Landon" 24) RE: New WWI SIM! by "Gaston Graf" 25) FMP SPAD A.2 drawing, was Re: Maurice Farman XI by "Matt Bittner" 26) Re: That Salmson book by "Matt Bittner" 27) RE: Handling problems+CURING TIME by "Jim Landon" 28) Re: Today in history - SVAs long range mission by "Alberto Casirati" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:20:41 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: As good as yellow vs. green was: Pfalz Review on PMMS Message-ID: David, as you say: "This is both the fun and the frustration of WW1 modelling." First, to avoid any misunderstandings: All three photos of Degelows machine are actually one and the same - only the quality differs. I have the Degelow/Kilduff book (the photo only is in this English translation, not in the original German edition "Mit dem weissen Hirsch durch Dick und Duenn") as well as the 2 C&C journals in question. The Degelow book photo is in many ways worse (lighter and with much reduced contrast and clarity) than the other 2 photos; to me, the photo in C&C (I) 25/2, p. 73 is the best in quality. However, once more: It does not finally answer the color question. If you want, I can send you a scan. What I think is worth noting: The fuselage (in the engine area) shows the same light reflection as some parts of the wing; then again, part of the wing (especially outboard of the cabane struts) shows a very dark colour, similar to the lower wings trailing edge. The arguments are quite clear: You can argue on reflection (on the black wing and fuselage) or shadow (on the silbergrau wing). As I said in the original heading: As good as that famous cowling... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:02:38 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Handling problems+CURING TIME Message-ID: <2888D669.57790A9F.3E0364A1@netscape.net> Thanks, Karen. I printed it and gave it to my daughter, the micro-wave queen, as a tutorial to improve her culinary skills. Mike K. Dame Karen wrote: > > ..and rather than sit there and watch the paint dry, try >  http://www.brunching.com/features/idiotsandwich.html > for instructions on making a baloney and cheese sandwich __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:31:27 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: More from Knights of the Air. Message-ID: Gaston, You will fin errors of that type in most books. (Think how many Datafiles have had revison's in the following windsock). Dont even start on the infamous Weyl rewritting Fokker history. Knights of the Air is a nice introduction to the Canadian contribution to the RNAS and RFC. If you want errors try page 81 the SE5a is really a SE5. The in the field glasshouse mod is of course the Glasshouse that came as standard equipment on early SE5's Great picture though. Rather like the other photo's in this book, very high level of reproduction. The price of this book is in keeping with its role btw. Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Gaston > Graf > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 1:12 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: More from Knights of the Air. > > > I received my copy from the editor just a few days ago. They asked me to > write a review of it. I did not start reading through it yet but > discovered > already an error. In the chapter of MvR and Brown they show a picture of > Jasta 19 Dr1, saying it are JG1 Dr1, while the machine of Arthur > Rahn is in > the foreground. Such errors should not happen to "experts". > > more later > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Ray > > Boorman > > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 5:55 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: More from Knights of the Air. > > > > > > I'm about halfway through this book now, I must say its a good read too. > > Lets see the story about Collishaw, who during training attempted > > to deliver > > a note to one of his chums girlfriends. Instead he crashed into a row of > > outhouses, wrecked the aircraft and ahem got covered in excrement.. > > > > Or the flight of SE5a's that were low on fuel and far behind > > enemy lines and > > attempting to extricate themselves back to the allied lines. > Along comes a > > Bristol Fighter that tips the balance and allows them to > escape. The pilot > > Andy McKeever says they must have been really embarrassed to be > saved by a > > two seater ;) > > > > Lastly and this must be where the anti Parachute arguments come from. In > > 1915 the Air Board made the following declarations. "The Parachute is > > unsuitable for aircraft and should only be used in balloons". > It was also > > there opinion "that a parachute would discourage the pilot's > > fighting spirit > > and cause them to abandon machines that might otherwise be capable of > > returning to base". The air board again rejected their use or more > > importantly their development for aircraft in 1917. It was only > > in 1918 that > > they started to seriously look at Parachutes for Pilots. > > > > Great book anyone who sees this book should snag it. > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:32:38 -0800 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: kits for sale Message-ID: <4.1.20010219081233.00a03ae0@mail> Dear listmembers - A recent influx of Fokkers, misc. boxes of Eduard stuff, and a really nice CSM Dornier D.1 has created a crisis in both personal finances and domestic space. Geez, after joining the bunch of Jihad modelers on this list and learning of the dozens of great kits available, one does tend to begin accumulating numerous debits in the family accounts...................... To help make some room, I'd like to dispose of the following kits - I thought I'd offer them to my fellow listmembers at reasonable prices (at least according to listings on Great Models Webstore) before sending them to the cauldron of ebay. 1/72 Revell #4113 Spad XIII C1 (Luke & Rick decals) 3.75 (box open, parts out of bag, wing and tailplane parts off sprues) 1/72 Revell #4177 Fokker D VII 4.25 (box open, parts in bag) 1/48 Monogram #5203 OOP Fokker DVII 8.00 (box shrink wrapped) 1/48 Monogram #5203 OOP Fokker DVII 8.00 (box shrink wrapped) Regular mail - $2.50 Priority mail - $4.00 Please let me know off-list if you are interested. Also please note that I'm on digest mode so any postings to the list may not be seen for several hours. myles.miller@thc.state.tx.us epmyles@aol.com (evenings) Thanks, Myles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:41:15 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Message-ID: <006301c0a012$fb9b7a60$b22fb8a1@darcy> While searching through the Scale Link site for diorama supplies I came across the WW1 page. 1/32 scale but worth a look for anyone building in that scale! Here's the link: www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Scalelink_World_War_One__Scale_Link__1_32_scale _31.html Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:01:07 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Handling Problems Message-ID: <000001c0a01e$17879b40$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Hi all, Many thanks to everyone who commented on the handling problems. I guess it is a curing issue - my only serious modelling experience pre-list has been figure modelling, and you don't have to rig those little buggers, so I've never experienced this as an issue. I suspected the Humbrol varnishes may be an issue, as I use these straight from the spray can (me no airbrush.....). I may try some alternatives. I had assumed that Future would be hard as nails, and was surprised this appeared to come off as well. But again it shows what a mine of knowledge the list is when someone pointed out this needed to cure as well. The final proof point was Dennis saying this is an issue for him - he's a speedbuilder, so curing time must be an issue. For the rest of us, dust is the issue - so much settles on the sub-assemblies while we're building! I guess the real answer is to build two (or more) kits at once. Thanks a lot, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:06:44 -0800 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: update - kits for sale Message-ID: <4.1.20010226100602.009f6990@mail> The two Monogram Fokker DVII kits have been claimed. Myles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:11:05 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Handling problems Message-ID: <004601c0a01f$7c32aca0$f3a372d4@custom-pc> Nigel wrote: The model seems fine >when I pick it up, but after holding it for a few minutes (say to do some >rigging), my fingers are noticably "stuck" to the painted/varnished parts. Nigel, acrylics or enamels? I have made this experience with thinned acrylics, especially any gloss cotes ( GUNZE or TAMIYA). That's why I experimenting with Future now. It takes up to ONE WHOLE WEEK ) (!!!) depending on what ever, until the dam%§& gloss laquer fully hardened out. I'll never met this with enamels, but I will not change back. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:22:57 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Paint Stripper Message-ID: <005501c0a021$249540a0$f3a372d4@custom-pc> Acrylics = pure alcohol, best is isopropanol enamels = acetone -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Dale Beamish An: Multiple recipients of list Datum: Montag, 26. Februar 2001 02:07 Betreff: Paint Stripper >What are the best methods of removing paint from white metal parts? >Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:25:33 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Handley-Page O/400 References Message-ID: <005e01c0a021$81c96bc0$f3a372d4@custom-pc> Mike, try to get Chaz Bowyer's Handley Page Bombers of the First World War. ISBN 0-946627-68-1 Aston Publications Ltd. 1992 Hans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:40:11 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: As good as yellow vs. green was: Pfalz Review on PMMS Message-ID: <00e301c0a023$8d0b4740$f3a372d4@custom-pc> David, you are right. I just got my own copy of Kilduff/Degelow's book on Saturday. And , it's a "miracle", the tonal values of this print seems to show silbergrau wings, the struts are lighter. Nevertheless, there are prints from the same pic which shows clearly dark struts and dark wings. I sent you a scan, which I got from Volker, off list. There is no proof to one side or the other. Print quality may change anything. That was the reason why I choose Marwitz' DIIIa from Jasta 30 for my 'early' Pfalz ( with help from Volker). But I still prefer this situation, it's better than to a have a discussion on the exact shade of RLM 84. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:41:57 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: More on topic models coming! Message-ID: > And yes, Chris, they have improved their molding since the UTI-4. ;-) > Gee, I hope so, since I can sum up Amodel with one word based on my experience with that kit: &$*(@# It will be interesting to see how they do the thin wings of WWI subjects when that &$*(@# UTI-4 has trailing edges that would embarrass a brick..... Sincerely, Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Illustrator Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:50:36 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: More on topic models coming! Message-ID: <008f01c0a025$022b4c40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Is there a list of OT models by this manufacturer? Has anyone seen the "AVRO 504" (russian version) that we discussed a few days ago? wandering minds would like to know D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Banyai-Riepl To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: RE: More on topic models coming! > > And yes, Chris, they have improved their molding since the UTI-4. ;-) > > > Gee, I hope so, since I can sum up Amodel with one word based on my > experience with that kit: &$*(@# > > It will be interesting to see how they do the thin wings of WWI subjects > when that &$*(@# UTI-4 has trailing edges that would embarrass a brick..... > > Sincerely, > Chris Banyai-Riepl > Publisher/Illustrator > Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:52:16 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: German pilot commands... Message-ID: <010901c0a025$3d05d380$f3a372d4@custom-pc> Gaston, Hans and everybody else The starting sequence on a Albatros is described in detail in the Mikesh book. I'll send the command off list to Hans.It seems that there where only three oral commands: "AUS" (Mechanic after priming the cylinders, advising the pilot to keep the ignition off ( AUS=off) "AUS" ( Pilot to confirm that) Now the mechanic turns the prop 6times to draw the priming into the cylinders "FREI" ( Mechanic, as getting a free (= frei) position from the a/c) " FREI" ( Pilot's confirming that) Now the pilot turns the starting magneto's crank as rapidly as possible. And - the engine starts! No prop-swinging and things like that. For the sim: "Aus " - " Aus" pause "Frei" -"Frei" - blobber-blobb-puck-prmrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......... Hans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:28:42 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More on topic models coming! Message-ID: <20010226192842.70959.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Matt, Omega has just released a Spad A.2, Spad A.4, and a Spad G.1. Todd --- Matt Bittner wrote: > Thanks to a head's up from Michael Kendix, I went > and looked at what > NKR has as a "Due Soon" from NKR. Not only some > really awesome VVS > models, but a SPAD A.2/A.4 *and* a Nieuport IV. > Sweet! However, be > prepared for work. A-Models tend to be a little on > the thick side > since they're short run. > > And yes, Chris, they have improved their molding > since the UTI-4. ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:15:06 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: More on topic models coming! Message-ID: <200102261934.LAA04237@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:55:19 -0500 (EST), dfernet0 wrote: > Is there a list of OT models by this manufacturer? Has anyone seen the "AVRO > 504" (russian version) that we discussed a few days ago? > wandering minds would like to know The only on topic stuff from them can be found at the NKR site in their "Due Soon" section. Upto this point, they have not done any WW1 subjects. No, the Avro isn't out yet. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:38:19 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: More on topic models coming! Message-ID: <3A941414001BCD28@mail01.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail01.san.yahoo.com) On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:32:03 -0500 (EST), Todd Hayes wrote: > Omega has just released a Spad A.2, Spad A.4, and a > Spad G.1. Yes, I saw that. However, in conversation with various individuals, it depends on which drawing they used if it's accurate or not. Both the FMP *and* Mini-Datafile drawings are wrong. The FMP is so wrong that it shows the wing as a scale *10* feet too short! Gads! Looks like the most accurate drawing so far is the Harleyford one. Figure that one out! Now, I wonder if there were drawings published in a CIS source we don't know about. If that's the case then I bet the A-Model could be accurate - and maybe the Omega ones as well. Matt Bittner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:40:28 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: More on topic models coming! Message-ID: <00a101c0a02b$fc220620$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt wrote: > No, the Avro isn't out yet. Ahh, deception! I'll be glad just if it has an accurate fuselage. The rest can be whatever they want. D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:50:14 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: "WWI, Mailing List New" Subject: New WWI SIM! Message-ID: <000501c0a02d$56a06aa0$64a072d4@custom-pc> A few days ago, Hans Heerkens asked for the german starting commandos via Gaston. Now he reveals the secret: http://www.alphasim.co.uk/main.html Click on Combat Aces. It's a CFS add-on. My PC is too slow for MS CFS2. Should I buy a new one to fly a Halberstadt CLII or a HP 0/400? It will ruin my modelling budget for months! Hans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More on topic models coming! Message-ID: <20010226195016.74481.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> 10ft.? That's a hell of an error to make. Todd --- Matt Bittner wrote: > On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:32:03 -0500 (EST), Todd Hayes > wrote: > > > Omega has just released a Spad A.2, Spad A.4, and > a > > Spad G.1. > > Yes, I saw that. However, in conversation with > various individuals, it > depends on which drawing they used if it's accurate > or not. > > Both the FMP *and* Mini-Datafile drawings are wrong. > The FMP is so > wrong that it shows the wing as a scale *10* feet > too short! Gads! > Looks like the most accurate drawing so far is the > Harleyford one. > Figure that one out! Now, I wonder if there were > drawings published in > a CIS source we don't know about. If that's the > case then I bet the > A-Model could be accurate - and maybe the Omega ones > as well. > > > Matt Bittner > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:09:51 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Maurice Farman XI Message-ID: There is some confusion on my part regarding the various MF-XI's around and which one of these the Omega 1/72nd (72039) scale kit is supposed to represent. I understand that this is the "Shorthorn". Is this correct? The length is given in the kit's instructions as 8.3m, which is less than any other 80hp Renault machine's specs that I can find. Is it possible that because this is an early machine, there was a lack of standardization? There seems to be many versions, and then there's a bunch of Italian versions listed in the FMP tome. As for the SPAD A.2 drawing in the FMP tome, the diagram is supposed to be 1/72nd scale. The specs are given on a seperate page and when you divide by 72, the plan is small by about 10%. If this is simply a case of the plan being in 1/80 scale, one can deal with that easily. So what do the experts think? Len? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:09:23 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Subject: Re: More on topic models coming! Message-ID: On the subject of more on topic models coming, I went to Major's and picked up my Gotha at lunch today. Models ordered through the local shop come at a 20% discount plus no shipping fee's, so I can't complain. This does bring up a problem though. I'm sitting here in my office and I know there is a Gotha out in my car. It's still shrink wrapped and I don't get to look at it and play with it till I go home tonight. No fair. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:13:32 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: That Salmson book Message-ID: All this talk about books reminds me, I haven't bought the FSM book on Salmsons yet, mostly because I'm so cheap and I'm a chicken to tell SWMBO that I ordered a $50 book about a plane that I've already got a ton of info on. Does anybody have their copy yet? I just want to know one thing: does it have any pictures or drawings of the cockpit interiors that I don't already have on my website (http://communities.msn.com/Salmson2A2)? Jim 1.5 model Landon, wading through 158 new messages >From: "Brad & Merville" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Handley-Page O/400 References >Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:43:06 -0500 (EST) > >Military Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 by B.E. Ketley list the following: > >Air Enthusiast Vol. 5 #2 (plan + interior) >Aircraft Illustrated Monthly, March 1969 >Air Historian #2 >Reconaissance & Bomber Aircraft 1914 - 1918, Harleyford >Cross & Cockade Vol. 3 #3 >Flying Review Monthly Vol. 23 #5 >Handley Page Aircraft Since 1907, Putnam >Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Aircraft No. 103 & No. 137 >Janes 1919 >Planes (later known as Wingspan) Vol. 1 #4 >RAF Yearbook 1977 >Aeroplanes of the RFC, J.M. Bruce >Military Aircraft of WW1, Giorgio Apostolo, 1974 (aka: Color Profiles Of >World War 1 Combat Planes, Crescent Books) >WW1 Aero #108 > >Written accounts include: 'Green Balls' by Paul Bewsher and 'The Big >Bombers >of WW1- A Canadians Journal' by Lieut. Hugh B. Monaghan RFC. > >Scale Models International did a build article on the Airfix kit in their >May 1984 issue. > >Hope these help >Brad > > >-----Original Message----- >From: RadspadMike@netscape.net >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Sunday, February 25, 2001 8:23 PM >Subject: Handley-Page O/400 References > > > >I'm drawing a blank on reference materials, drawings, etc. for the >Handley-Page O/400. I've identified a book on the story of a young pilot >in >the 207 Squadron, "The Black Cat Squadron-Night Bombing in World War 1". >While probably interesting, I doubt it will help much in building a model. > > > >Please don't tell me to look in J.M. Bruce's "British Aeroplanes, >1914-18" >as I check it out every time I'm on Abebooks, prices range from $135 to >$200 >US. Think they will ever reprint it? > > > >TIA, > >Mike K. > >__________________________________________________________________ > >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:13:22 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: New WWI SIM! Message-ID: OFF COURSE YOU SHOULD! But if your electro-crate is fast enuff to run Red Baron II you still can play the best WW1 sim available. Always watch your six - and beware of the Hun in the Sun ;o) Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Hans > Trauner > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 8:56 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: New WWI SIM! > > > A few days ago, Hans Heerkens asked for the german starting commandos via > Gaston. Now he reveals the secret: > > http://www.alphasim.co.uk/main.html > > Click on Combat Aces. It's a CFS add-on. > > My PC is too slow for MS CFS2. Should I buy a new one to fly a Halberstadt > CLII or a HP 0/400? It will ruin my modelling budget for months! > > Hans > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:18:01 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: FMP SPAD A.2 drawing, was Re: Maurice Farman XI Message-ID: <3A941414001C08AB@mail01.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail01.san.yahoo.com) On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:14:22 -0500 (EST), Michael Kendix wrote: > As for the SPAD A.2 drawing in the FMP tome, the diagram is supposed to be > 1/72nd scale. The specs are given on a seperate page and when you divide by > 72, the plan is small by about 10%. If this is simply a case of the plan > being in 1/80 scale, one can deal with that easily. Be sure to measure not on the wing, but the fuselage as well. I thought (there I go again, thinking ;-) the fuselage was 1/72nd, but the wing wasn't. Maybe I'm thinking of the Mini-Datafile? Gads...and I'm not that old yet! ;-) Matt Bittner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:16:43 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: That Salmson book Message-ID: <3A941414001C08B1@mail01.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail01.san.yahoo.com) On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:17:13 -0500 (EST), Jim Landon wrote: > All this talk about books reminds me, I haven't bought the FSM book on > Salmsons yet, mostly because I'm so cheap and I'm a chicken to tell SWMBO > that I ordered a $50 book about a plane that I've already got a ton of info > on. Does anybody have their copy yet? I just want to know one thing: does > it have any pictures or drawings of the cockpit interiors that I don't > already have on my website (http://communities.msn.com/Salmson2A2)? I don't think it's going to be released for another week or so. Matt Bittner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:26:38 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Handling problems+CURING TIME Message-ID: <> My problem is that I'll go along for days or weeks with the paint drying quickly and not staying soft, and then when I least expect it, something I painted the night before (or longer) will exhibit this weird phenomenon of never completely hardening. Hard to figure out which combination of ingredients (paint, sanding sealer, Future, etc.) didn't harden. But my salmson is so big that a fingerprint doesn't show unless you press your face against the model. ;-) Jim L >From: "Ray Boorman" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: Handling problems+CURING TIME >Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:29:31 -0500 (EST) > >Dang, wish this post had gone out last week. I have a nice thumbprint in >the >Gunze green I thought was dry. (I let it dry for a week before I sprayed >the >next colour). I guess i must have a grip of steel or something. Future does >this too btw;( > >Ray > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Shane > > Weier > > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 8:10 PM > > > > In particular I find that all Gunze acrylic paints, and Aeromaster clear > > acrylics require great care - they seem to remain tacky to *my* touch, > > sometimes for weeks. OTOH I've only ever had problems with Humbrol when >it > > was inadequately mixed. > > > > Shane > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:27:23 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Re: Today in history - SVAs long range mission Message-ID: <001701c0a032$87cad5c0$780d623e@s> I am not certain this message made its way to the List, so here it is again: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 8:08 AM Subject: WW1 Italian aerial effort > Dear Stephen, > > thanks for your interest in Italian early aviation. It is nearly impossible > to answer to your interesting question in a few lines and of course there > are more knowledgeable experts than me to do so, but here are my few > comments, which I would be more than happy to expand if this List's interest > warrants: > - the most evident way in which Italy contributed to military aviation > during WW1 was bombing, as Capronis really were the first practical > multi-engined strategic bombers ever. Since the first days of war, they were > flown on long range missions, aimed at hitting military targets deep in the > enemy territory. This of course meant they had to cross the Alps twice per > mission....After Austro-Hungarian planes carried out several bombing > missions of Italian cities, Capronis were also employed to hit A-H cities, > but not following any such strategy, just on a retaliation base. > - Italy's contribution to aerial warfare began some years before WW1, > however, as Italy was the first country to fly airplanes in a war. This > happened during the Italo-Turkish war of 1911-12, when some Bleriots, > Nieuport monoplanes and a few Etrich Taubes, Breguets and Deperdussins were > flown on a large variety of missions: from day and night reconnaissance to > light bombing, artillery observation, ground support and aerial photography. > - the first sistematic study of the potential of aerial warfare was written > by Maj. Giulio Douhet, who developed the concept of getting aerial supremacy > to be able to gain a war victory. His theories concentrated on mass bombing > and mass formations to bring combat to the air and from the air. Douhet and > Count Gianni Caproni worked together to put the idea of the startegic bomber > into practice, thus the multi-engined Capronis were born in 1913. They flew > well before the Ilya Murometz. > - SVA missions have a special place in aviation history, as their unrivalled > range made possible very long, non-stop flights, mainly over enemy > territory, and their considerable speed made them able to operate without > escort. The most wellknown flight was that of 19th August 1918, when 7 SVAs > reached Vienna, dropped propaganda leaflets (they could have carried bombs > instead) and returned to base. > - to end on a different note, one of the first flying bombs ever was the > Piana-Canova-Luzzatto, which was tested with success in 1918. > > Well, just a few points to meet your request but maybe able to suggest some > relevant points... > > All the very best, > > Alberto > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:44:49 EST > From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com > To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Subject: Re: Today in history - SVAs long range mission > Message-ID: <3e.7e8c728.27cac8c1@aol.com> > > Was this mission unusual for its distance? In what ways did Italian air > units pioneer military aviation and aviation in general? > I've grown up knowing about Sopwiths and Fokkers and SPADs but I remain > pretty ignorant of Italy's air history. > ~Steve di Giacomo > > In a message dated 2/21/1 4:08:55 PM, alberto.casirati@inwind.it writes: > > << Today in history - 21st February > > Just to remember that on the 21st of February, 1918, SVA-5s of the 1a > Sezione Autonoma SVA, based at Sovizzo, flew non-stop to Innsbruck, to bomb > railway plants. They all returned safely to base, after a 3 hrs flight. > One of the many long range missions carried out by SVA crews. > > Alberto Casirati > >> > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3129 **********************