WWI Digest 3123 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re:setting up a web site by "Jim Landon" 2) Re: CSM Dicta Ira Discount Question by Todd Hayes 3) Re: ICM WWI Ships by "Lee J. Mensinger" 4) Re: 1:72 British OT A/C by Steve Cox 5) Re: CSM Dicta Ira Discount Question by ERIC HIGHT 6) Re: ICM WWI Ships by roguerpj 7) Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by Karen Rychlewski 8) Hi, is anybody there? by "Michael S. Alvarado" 9) Re: ICM WWI Ships by Todd Hayes 10) Re: ICM WWI Ships by roguerpj 11) Re: Diorama Supplies by "Len Smith" 12) Re: What I build by Ernest Thomas 13) RE: 1:72 British OT A/C by Shane Weier 14) RE: Modeling Penance/absolved by Shane Weier 15) RE: What I build by Shane Weier 16) it's that time of year again.... by Ernest Thomas 17) Re: Diego Fernetti's updated site by "Alberto Casirati" 18) Re: CookPup by "Steven Schofield" 19) RE: it's that time of year again.... by Volker Haeusler 20) Re: Diorama Supplies by "Dale Beamish" 21) Sopwith to what link? by "Michael Kendix" 22) RE: Sopwith to what link? by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:28:13 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re:setting up a web site Message-ID: <> Sorry to sound like a broken record*, but if you don't want to wrestle with all that, and you just want to post photos and captions, just go to MSN.com and do one of their "photo albums". Then you'll have more time for modeling. That's how I built my newest one at http://communities.msn.com/Salmson2A2 (* an ancient history term referring to 1940's era phonograph records which would often develop a damaged groove, causing it to repeat the same section of the song over and over and over...) Jim L >From: Steve Cox >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re:setting up a web site >Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:30:48 -0500 (EST) > >I've built a couple of site, using a mix of Adobe Pagemill, some HTML >books, >and more recently Macromedia Dreamweaver. The web design packages make >things fairly easy to create simple sites. You can then make things as >complicated as you are prepared to carry on going. > >If you see a site you like try looking at the source html -'view source' in >Internet explorer - to see how it's done. > >Regards >Steve > >nb The Brampton Scale Model Club website - shameless plug here, visit at >http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk >Not a lot of OT content as yet >=========================================== >steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk >http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html > If I didn't spend so much time on line > ‹‹ I'd get some models finished > ================ > > > >> Hi- > >> Anyone care to make suggestions about setting up a site.  I'm thinking >of > >> doing so, posting work in progress? and don't know a thing about it. > >> ATT indicates what it calls "Personal Web Page", has anyone used it? > >> Oh by the way anyone located in Michigan? > >> Any suggestions? > >> thanks > >> TP > >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:28:47 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CSM Dicta Ira Discount Question Message-ID: <20010223222847.97992.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Ken, I believe it's 10%. Todd --- Ken Acosta wrote: > Hey- > I'm about to place an order with Eric (long-hand, > snail mail) and I can't remember the value of the > Dicta Ira discount to include in my math. I'm in > digest mode, so would someone please drop me a quick > note off-list and set me straight? > Thanks- > KA > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:37:47 -0600 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ICM WWI Ships Message-ID: <3A96F44B.B695AB48@x25.net> That is also correct. Gross is large/big etc. It is, I believe, where we get our word used as gross weight. Gross size and others. I am not positive at this moment, but, I believe the second Kurfurst of Brandenburg, after him, was King George III of England who was the Grosser Kurfurst of Brandenburg and Hesse. That is why the Hessians were his soldiers and not really mercenaries. Of course they worked for money everyones Army does. A few years before OT... The Air Services were severely limited to those that could climb trees and they got no wings to pin on their Uniforms. Lee M. Todd Hayes wrote: > Actually, the "er" on the end of Gross is a case > ending. It designates a masculine noun/name as the > subject of the sentence. Grosser Kurfurst refers to > "the Great Elector" Friedrich Wilhelm (ruled > Brandenburg, 1640-1688). > > Todd > > --- Gaston Graf wrote: > > Bingo! ;o) That's correct! > > The double "s" was formerly designated as "sz". > > > > Gaston Graf > > (ggraf@vo.lu) > > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" > > at: > > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that Grober Kurfurst is really Grosser > > Kurfurst and the strange > > > B like character German printing is actually a > > "double s" and it means > > > "Greater". > > > > > > Lee M. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:41:04 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: 1:72 British OT A/C Message-ID: I make them occasionally, it gives my eyes a rest after all those bright colours Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: Todd Hayes > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:42:28 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: 1:72 British OT A/C > > Who among the 1:72 modelers on the list has a > particular love/interest in British a/c? > > Todd > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:39:59 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CSM Dicta Ira Discount Question Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010223163959.0068a290@pop.amug.org> todd, you are correct. eric At 05:33 PM 2/23/01 -0500, you wrote: >Ken, > >I believe it's 10%. > >Todd > >--- Ken Acosta wrote: >> Hey- >> I'm about to place an order with Eric (long-hand, >> snail mail) and I can't remember the value of the >> Dicta Ira discount to include in my math. I'm in >> digest mode, so would someone please drop me a quick >> note off-list and set me straight? >> Thanks- >> KA >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:15:19 -0600 From: roguerpj To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ICM WWI Ships Message-ID: LOL, I just copied the printing from the box that is all. But thanks for the historical data. Eric, I have the ICM kit if the Ill'y and compared to that the ship was cast by a different company. Thanks all for the info, guess a ship is in my future. rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:35:35 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <3A971DF6.496B55AC@earthlink.net> machine gun drums, bombs, cameras, bombs, flare guns, bombs...and oh yeah, bombs I trust you have a Gotha set aside for me Karen ERIC HIGHT wrote: > i am also > having justin look into some diorama details(fuel carts chokes etc.) i am > open to suggestions on this. so have at it!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:36:17 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Hi, is anybody there? Message-ID: <3A972C30.3BBCE2A5@bellatlantic.net> Seems I was unsubscribed some time yesterday. (Hooray for Verizon DSL). Did I miss anything I should know about? Alvie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:28:57 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ICM WWI Ships Message-ID: <20010224042857.35592.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Lee, You're talking about the Elector of Hannover, George (later George the 1st of GB, 1714-1721, and grandfather of George the 3rd, 1760-1820). Hannover was completely independent of Brandenburg-Prussia until 1866. The Grosser Kurfurst, Friedrich Wilhelm, was the Elector of Brandenburg from 1640-1688, the first King-in-Prussia, and the father of Prussian militarism. Brandenburg with its 5000 man army was overrun by both the Swedes and the Imperialists during the 30yrs War, 1618-1648. Friedrich Wilhelm is one of the great heroes of Prussian-Imperial German history that the subject we all love so much is a part of. He was a natural choice for a capital ship of the Imp. Ger. Navy during the Great War. ICM made a good choice with this kit. Hesse was just one of many German states that hired their troops out as mercenaries at times. Greater in this case would be Grosserer with the o umlauted. Sorry everyone about this post. I'm a historian by training and nature. This is one of those subjects that really trip my trigger. I won't make it a habit. Todd --- "Lee J. Mensinger" wrote: > That is also correct. Gross is large/big etc. It > is, I believe, where we get our word > used as gross weight. Gross size and others. > > I am not positive at this moment, but, I believe the > second Kurfurst of Brandenburg, > after him, was King George III of England who was > the Grosser Kurfurst of Brandenburg > and Hesse. That is why the Hessians were his > soldiers and not really mercenaries. > > Of course they worked for money everyones Army does. > > A few years before OT... The Air Services were > severely limited to those that could > climb trees and they got no wings to pin on their > Uniforms. > > Lee M. > > Todd Hayes wrote: > > > Actually, the "er" on the end of Gross is a case > > ending. It designates a masculine noun/name as > the > > subject of the sentence. Grosser Kurfurst refers > to > > "the Great Elector" Friedrich Wilhelm (ruled > > Brandenburg, 1640-1688). > > > > Todd > > > > --- Gaston Graf wrote: > > > Bingo! ;o) That's correct! > > > The double "s" was formerly designated as "sz". > > > > > > Gaston Graf > > > (ggraf@vo.lu) > > > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 > "Boelcke" > > > at: > > > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that Grober Kurfurst is really > Grosser > > > Kurfurst and the strange > > > > B like character German printing is actually a > > > "double s" and it means > > > > "Greater". > > > > > > > > Lee M. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great > prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:28:01 -0600 From: roguerpj To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ICM WWI Ships Message-ID: Todd, I would have umlauted the o if my software would have allowed. Thanks for the historical background it will make doing the ship more injoyable. rob On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:33:56 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Lee, > >You're talking about the Elector of Hannover, George >(later George the 1st of GB, 1714-1721, and >grandfather of George the 3rd, 1760-1820). Hannover >was completely independent of Brandenburg-Prussia >until 1866. > >The Grosser Kurfurst, Friedrich Wilhelm, was the >Elector of Brandenburg from 1640-1688, the first >King-in-Prussia, and the father of Prussian >militarism. Brandenburg with its 5000 man army was >overrun by both the Swedes and the Imperialists during >the 30yrs War, 1618-1648. Friedrich Wilhelm is one of >the great heroes of Prussian-Imperial German history >that the subject we all love so much is a part of. He >was a natural choice for a capital ship of the Imp. >Ger. Navy during the Great War. ICM made a good >choice with this kit. > >Hesse was just one of many German states that hired >their troops out as mercenaries at times. > >Greater in this case would be Grosserer with the o >umlauted. > >Sorry everyone about this post. I'm a historian by >training and nature. This is one of those subjects >that really trip my trigger. I won't make it a habit. > >Todd > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:58:20 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Diorama Supplies Message-ID: <000e01c09e27$861dffc0$57867ed4@mesh> Dale, You may be thinking of Scale Link, a UK based firm that not only does hundreds of WW1 figure kits but also dozens of PE sheets of architectural and horticultural bits. Sorry I can't remember the address, I am sure someone will know it. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Beamish" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 10:42 PM Subject: Re: Diorama Supplies > > ..you get the picture. Think laterally and they're damned near as good as > > your usual plastic pusher, only being without the airplane kits you > already > > probably have too many of ! > > Actually I was thinking of more specialized supplies ... I've seen in the > past PE leaves and vines etc. I'm thinking small here ... and shame on you > saying there is such a thing as too many kits! :-) > Dale > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:26:54 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: What I build Message-ID: <3A97542E.BD7AEC1A@bellsouth.net> dfernet0 wrote: > PS: What's the joke in "Hee-Haw rejects"? The underlying truth of it. So here's what I build: First and foremost, 1/48 OT airplanes. Also fond of bipes in general, racers, and aerobatic birds(not that there's any kits of THOSE around). I also do figures, with a preference for people armed with swords(knights, smaurai, ancients. dreaming of 120mm Musketeers), hot looking chicks, and pilots. I also have a few cars in my pile. The very OT Red Baron Hot Rod(replacing those spandaus with PE), the Munsters family car and Grampa's "Dragula", a Mach 5, a couple Bugs, including the V-1 rocket powered Buzz Bug, two Elvira T-Birds, and a '67 Lotus Elan. I also do an occassional tank, or non-fiction space something-or-other. And last but not least, there's the very heretical 1/24 Bf-109 and Spitfire, which will be built 'someday'. Built a jet a few years back. Bored me to tears. Just can't get excited about grey. E. nb; 3x 1/72 D-VIII's for a customer. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:41:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: 1:72 British OT A/C Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748CA5@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Cam says: > > As to teams, do you mean the Rugby League team, the > > Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs? or > > the Australian Rules team, the Sydney Swans? ;) Neil asks: > Are these real?! Yeah, I live here and I can't believe anyone would support them ;-) Michael says: > If one of those rugby lock forwards gets hold of you, you'll > find out how real! Just to confuse the issue, the Bulldogs try (valiantly but uselessly) to play Rugby League, which is a very different game from that played in most countries, called rugby Union. Nevertheless, Michael is right, even a Doggies forward would make a better friend than enemy. ...and Michael continues > As for "Australian Rules" this refers to their special > interpretation of > cricket rules down under and explains the Australian national > team's recent run of luck. He means that Australia has won its last 14 international matches in succession, smashing the previous all time record of 12 (organised international cricket between countries goes back about 130 years) England OTOH are still hoping for a draw sometime this decade ;-) > Actually, "Australian Rules" is an oval ball game. They have > to call it > something "Rules" because if you watched it for the first > time, you'd think > there were no rules whatsoever. It's like Marmite/Vegemite > in that unless > you're exposed to it an early age, you cannot understand why > anyone would like it. Absolutely true. In fact it should be called "Most of Australia but NOT Queensland and New South Wales Rules" since half the population grew up in states where it was scarcely played until 20 years ago. I'm a Queenslander and despite living in Melbourne for 12 years where Aussie Rules is a religion I still don't understand (or care for) it. And to get OT - I like British OT aircraft too much to build them in 1/72 - I only build German OT aircraft in dinky scale Shane (Broncos, Bulls, Reds, Strikers, Lions, Bullets fan ;-) (I wonder if Cam even knows which ones play what nowadays!?) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:50:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Modeling Penance/absolved Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748CA6@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dave (#934.6) says: > I consider myself fluidly multilingual - I can order a beer in twelve > languages (make the thirteen, now I have the Polish, which is > also the > same as the Russian word - the Russians must have copied that > along with the Avro 504 - see we're back OT!). In Australia the word is "beer" Except in my state where we allow for people who've had so much to drink that spelling has become impossible and call beer "XXXX" Shane (Unashamed Fourex drinker - having one now while I read the emails and work up courage enough to attack battleship - Konig - details) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:13:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: What I build Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748CA7@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt: > Well, since others are doing it, I may as well. Lemmings -r- us! :-) How do I make a lemming noise? First and foremost, and almost exclusively, WW1 aircraft in both 1/72 and 1/48. At one time, ONLY in 1/72 but since I left the Army and space ceased to be such an issue I just choose to build what I feel like (while still trying to support the small scale sections in contests) I also claim to build "Golden Wings" by which I actually mean golden age biplanes. Unfortunately the truth is that I buy a bunch of kits, which sit expensively looking back at me. Third of four themes - Hawker aircraft. By this I mean Sopwith/Hawker, so at least I build *some* of them, and indeed an ot Hawker finished 9 years ago was the end of the only major digression I've had from OT in 20 years since I stopped figure modelling. OTOH, like the golden age machines, most of my Hawkers sit waiting to be done. Last of my themes I call "classics" - aircraft, ships, tanks, figures etc. which every collection should have because they're so important to history. Since *I* get to judge which are historically important, this is a catchall class designed to ensure I have an excuse to spend too much money on the latest superkit I just *have* to own, but which experience proves will also sit unbuilt until eventually sold by myself or my heirs :-( In moments of fantasy I truly believe if Airfix or Tamiya released a 1/48 Hawker Hart (Biplane, golden age,Hawker, historically important) I'd build it. But it isn't WW1, so the odds aren't good. HEY ! One more class - the brainf*rt - in which I get to build something way out of character because I did something like it 30 years ago. Not common, but I need a reason to be building Konig! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:16:22 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: it's that time of year again.... Message-ID: <3A975FC6.564A681@bellsouth.net> http://www.mardigras.com/ Or if you want to go straight to the action... http://www.nola.com/bourbocam/classic/ E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:17:32 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Re: Diego Fernetti's updated site Message-ID: <001701c09e3a$3d7f0440$5e0d623e@s> Dear Diego, your updated site is marvellous ! Well done ! The engine section is particularly interesting and I am sure the site will be very useful for any WW1 modeller. All the very best, Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:57:31 -0000 From: "Steven Schofield" To: Subject: Re: CookPup Message-ID: <001701c09e48$445c2fa0$eca493c3@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kendix" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: Re: CookPup > >From: "Steven Schofield" > > >I've posted a few pictures of a 'work in progress' on my site - the > > >Sopwith Pup for the Cookup. Warped top wing, awful flash, moulded > > >'fabric' finish and no interior detail to speak of. What a WONDERFUL > > >kit. > > Scho: > > Serious AMS. Excellent work. I hope my kit's wings aren't warped like > that. have you been sitting on them or something?:) > Top wing only - kit was VERY old. I've replaced it with one from the spares box. Scho http://www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:41:59 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: it's that time of year again.... Message-ID: Also in Mainz - 12000+ km (7000+ miles) away from where I just came back from a rather poor try on a Malaysian Carnival. Nothing like a Carnival in Mainz... If you speak or understand German, see http://www.meenzer-fassenacht.de/ Difficult to understand for those who never were there, but a "Rosenmontag" in Mainz is something special - and there are some pubs which (since this Thursday up to Tuesday next week) close for one hour (usually at 9 in the morning) and are FULL for the rest of the time - people having fun outside until they open again. Three times HELAU from Malaysia Volker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:43:34 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Diorama Supplies Message-ID: <001c01c09e5f$68ccae20$e531b8a1@darcy> > Dale, > You may be thinking of Scale Link, a UK based firm that not only does > hundreds of WW1 figure kits but also dozens of PE sheets of architectural > and horticultural bits. Sorry I can't remember the address, I am sure > someone will know it. > Regards Len. Len Indeed these are the ones I was thinking of! They say memory is one of the first things to go ... I sure hope they're not right with their other predictions! :-) Thanks for the tip. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:59:45 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Sopwith to what link? Message-ID: Shane writes: >Third of four themes - Hawker aircraft. By this I mean Sopwith/Hawker, What is the link between Sopwith and the later British aircraft manufacturers? I know it's been done on the list but searching the archives for Sopwith will not be thathelpful. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:25:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Sopwith to what link? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748CA9@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael asks: > >Third of four themes - Hawker aircraft. By this I mean > >Sopwith/Hawker, > > What is the link between Sopwith and the later British aircraft > manufacturers? I know it's been done on the list but > searching the archives for Sopwith will not be thathelpful. Hawker was chief test pilot and an aircraft designer of some note at Sopwiths throughout the war. In September 1920 Sopwiths went into voluntary liquidation as a consequence of the abrupt cancellation of all orders for aircraft and the extensive amount of capital equipment and materials on hand for which there was now no further use. Add a punitive taxation bill - applied to pander to public outrage about war profiteering, but applied in such a way as to virtually destroy all aircraft manufacturers who existed pre-war. On 5 November a group led by Hawker formed H.G Hawker Engineering Company, with the board consisting of Hawker, Fred sigrist, VW Eyre and F.I.Bennett. Tom Sopwith joined the company later, also as a board member, and replaced Hawker as chairman on his death on 12 July 1921. Initially they built cars and motorcycles, but soon moved back into aircraft manufacture. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). 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