WWI Digest 3102 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Our List Women ; was: Cry in the dark by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 2) HELP! Engine noises by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 3) S.P.A.D. XIII Rigging by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 4) Re: 1/48 Kits by "Michael S. Alvarado" 5) re:re:Albatros Dr.1 by "Sanjeev Hirve" 6) Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? by "Michael S. Alvarado" 7) Re: My reference database by "Matt Bittner" 8) Re: Nie. 17 Variable Wing Incidence by "David C. Fletcher" 9) Dark Crier Awakes by Karen Rychlewski 10) Newbie Bio:Dame Karen by Karen Rychlewski 11) Re: Nie. 17 Variable Wing Incidence by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 12) Re: Dark Crier Awakes by Todd Hayes 13) Re: DB oopsie by "DAVID BURKE" 14) OT Article in "Aviation History" by Todd Hayes 15) Help! Sopwith Cookup by "Steven Schofield" 16) Re: DB oopsie by "Lee J. Mensinger" 17) Re: My reference database by "Brad & Merville" 18) RE: S.P.A.D. XIII Rigging by Shane Weier 19) Re: Help! Sopwith Cookup by Karen Rychlewski 20) Re: Are you unpleasant by "Lee J. Mensinger" 21) Re: Help! Sopwith Cookup by "TOM PLESHA" 22) Re: Nie. 17 Variable Wing Incidence by RadspadMike@netscape.net 23) Yes, we have no Mr. Surfacer today. Re: Dark Crier Awakes by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 24) Revell kit Re: RE: S.P.A.D. XIII Rigging by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 25) RE: Yes, we have no Mr. Surfacer today. Re: Dark Crier Awakes by Shane Weier 26) Am I Still Subscribed? by Todd Hayes 27) Re: Am I Still Subscribed? by "Lyle Lamboley" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:50:38 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Our List Women ; was: Cry in the dark Message-ID: <13.11a11f60.27c2ef2e@aol.com> I'll put that in my little black book. He he. (Impossible to keymunicate pervert type grunting chuckle.) ~Steve di Giacomo In a message dated 2/19/1 4:19:45 PM, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: << Lorna and Sharon. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:01:11 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: HELP! Engine noises Message-ID: <85.711c5e2.27c2f1a7@aol.com> I can only make two different engine noises when I'm dogfighting with my 5 year old son. One is a very beefy bilabio-dental alveolar trilled aspiration, and seems suggestive to me of rotary or certainly radial engines. The other is a coarse velar nasal production which, having a higher pitch makes me think of inline engines. Do I have this all wrong? I don't want to be getting a deflection shot on my son's plane whilst in between shots making the wrong engine noise. Does anyone have a spare recording of his or her engine noises. ~Steve di Giacomo stephendigiacomo@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:08:10 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: S.P.A.D. XIII Rigging Message-ID: <95.7159466.27c2f34a@aol.com> I'm sorry, but I really am one of those underfunded modelers. I have no reference other than this list. Is the rigging for a Spad XIII rigging twice in each bay - fore and aft? I assume that the wires run diagonally from strut to strut and from inner strut to cabane and root. What color should I paint the struts. I think the French tended to paint their struts white and the American S.P.A.D.'s were finished wood. Actually, I think I don't know. Many thanks for your indulgence. ~Steve di Giacomo stephendigiacomo@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:20:59 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/48 Kits Message-ID: <3A919C4A.D333996F@bellatlantic.net> Diego, Can I get a copy of your Roland D.II cut-away. A soon as I finish my Eduard Roland C.II I will start on my Hi-Tech Roland D.II. TIA Alvie Limon3 wrote: > I just finished my Roland DII, and though it was a lot of work, I was > generally satisfied with the build. Special Thanks due to Diego for > supplying the internals, et al, which helped a bunch. > Regards, > Gabe > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael S. Alvarado > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Saturday, February 17, 2001 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: 1/48 Kits > > >The LFG Roland D.II is also available in injection molded plastic from > Hi-Tech. > >Not a bad kit, available through Squadron mail order. > > > >Alvie > > > >Scottfking@aol.com wrote: > > > >> In a message dated 2/15/01 8:39:09 PM EST, RadspadMike@netscape.net > writes: > >> > >> << Are any of the following aircraft produced in 1/48th scale? If so, who > >> makes > >> > them, and where can I get a hold of them? > >> > · > >> > · DFW C.Va > >> > · LFG Roland D.II > >> > · > >> > >> These 2 are available as VacForms from Sierra Scale, according to Bob > Norgren > >> they are still in production > >> > >> Skippy (Scott) > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:27:25 -0500 From: "Sanjeev Hirve" To: Subject: re:re:Albatros Dr.1 Message-ID: <022001c09ac3$230e16c0$0800010a@cyberelan.com> D., Merrill, Thanks for the info. In the photo, http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Various/AlbDr1.jpg the drag wire seems to run from the nose to the lower end of the upper front strut, ie, at the upper surface of the mid-plane. However, things are not so clear on the radiator plumbing. From what I can tell from the photo, there is a pipe from the radiator that snakes up along the middle arm of the cabane struts upto the top-plane, runs forward to the leading edge of the top-plane, whence it seems to disappear inside the leading edge of the top plane !! Where does it go from there ? I do not see a corresponding pipe on the starboard side. Also, where is the other radiator connection? I dont see anything under the mid plane. Does it pass through the wing directly into the engine space ? I am not an expert, but would it not be absolutely ruin the aerodynamics to run a pipe in front of the leading edge? Also, if the radiators are connected together, why not run the pipe straight through the fuselage ? thanks SSH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:23:30 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? Message-ID: <3A919CE2.EF78734@bellatlantic.net> Just set a date. Sharon, Jenna and I will be there. Alvie TOM PLESHA wrote: > We, my wife and I, woould certainly be interested, it would depend on the > date. > TP > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:30 PM > Subject: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? > > > Hi All, > > I was wondering if there might be any interest in a > > Listees get-together at Old Rhinebeck this season?? If > > there is, let's see if we can pick a weekend or Sunday > > that everyone might like. The link to the 2001 schedule > > follows. I try to go several times a season, especially > > for the Vinatge Aircraft Fly-In and the Mid-Hudson RC > > Modelers weekend. Let me know. > > http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/sched2001.htm > > > > Regards, > > John Impenna > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:25:18 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: My reference database Message-ID: <200102192225.OAA09883@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:38:13 -0500 (EST), RadspadMike@netscape.net wrote: > Sounds good to me, Matt. I'll take one. What's in the "finer detailed" French stuff - - any postcards? No, I just tend to put more detail in the DB when it comes to WW1 French stuff. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:43:33 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nie. 17 Variable Wing Incidence Message-ID: <3A919385.80404@mars.ark.com> "the idea of variable wing incidence and this feature being used..." Let's get our terminology straight folks. Variable incidence is controllable by the pilot, normally in flight. That is not a common feature in the history of aerodynamics (Supermarine dabbled with it in the [ot ALERT!!!] "Dumbo" and 'Seagull'); another example is the [ot ALERT again...] Chance-Vought Crusader. Wing-warping was a form of 'variable incidence' since the pilot had control (in a limited sort of way...); the aileron did away with that system, thankfully. What we are talking about with Nieuports and the rest is 'adjustable incidence' - a way of changing the angle of attack of part of the wing (almost always the outer part) to compensate for torque, improved stalling characteristics or whatever. Incidence may be adjusted by turnbuckles on control wires, by threaded bolts on struts or internally by twisting a cam (that's on certain modern, very-ot aircraft!} and it is done on the ground. Sorry for the nitpicking, but precision and aviation are closely related. And welcome to Karen from Vancouver Island - where are you, by the way? We need to stick another pin in the map... Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:36:28 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: to post Subject: Dark Crier Awakes Message-ID: <3A919FEB.3CB6CAEA@earthlink.net> Boy, talk about a windy bunch! 92 emails--I don't get 92 emails in a month Seriously, heartfelt thanks to everyone too-numerous-to-mention-from-around-the-world who has welcomed me to the list while I had my beauty sleep. I look forward to a long and happy interchange with you all BTW, one question remained unanswered from my previous post: where do I get this Mr. Surfacer stuff? Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:37:50 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: to post Subject: Newbie Bio:Dame Karen Message-ID: <3A91A03E.D694B6A3@earthlink.net> Hi Guys Here's the bio, as promised: PERSONAL HISTORY I was born and raised in Chicago IL, more years ago than I care to tell. Mother still lives there, so I get back once a year or so. Polish side of the family is in and around Chicago, and Mother's Danish ancestors settled in Michigan UP: from Pa I got my wavy, late-to-grey hair and from Mom I got fat knees--among other good things. Went off to college at Eastern Illinois U. in the mid-60's and finished at Michigan State with a Master of Fine Arts degree in sculpture; worked summers during graduate school driving a Good Humor truck in Oak Park IL. Got my first and last teaching job at West Liberty State College near Wheeling WV: started off teaching sculpture and ceramics, and gradually moved into teaching drawing, art history, and computer graphics. Turned into a bit of a computer nerd--MACS RULE!--as a result and now do all of my artwork digitally: scanning negatives and working magic on them with Photoshop. Early on in the teaching career, I discovered the delights of foreign travel and have 'collected' about 35 countries, mostly Western Europe and Southeast Asia--tucked inbetween artistic sites I generally try to get to airplane and military museums in the various countries. The 90's were 'the best of times and the worst of times' --best in travel, artwork, and modeling; but worst in on-job stress caused by having to work with mean, malicious, and stupid colleagues (the students also became increasingly disinterested and lazy, but they were still part of the 'best'). The situation deteriorated and in September 1998 all systems failed and I crashed and burned--30 years of crap took its toll and I basically didn't do anything for a year or so; am now on the road to recovery. In June 2000 I officially retired, and now that I'm grown up, I'm trying to figure out what I want to be. MODELING HISTORY I've built models as far back as I can remember: in grade school, I remember doing an army Jeep and half-track (a number of years ago I had a real hoot with a ride in a 1/1 scale 'street-legal' half-track that some obsessive soul was driving around at a Rosemont show); I vaguely remember doing a cabin cruiser and that 1950's VTOL "pogo something-or-other". In high school I turned to cars (anyone remember the Jo-han kits?) and built dozens; I won a second place at a little show at a local hobby shop with a (get this!) 1957 T-Bird painted pink with a black interior and removable hardtop covered with velvet ribbon (this is before flocking...)--inset into the roof of the hardtop was a white Playboy bunny--this is a true story. During college, I was still doing cars and making little sculptures from the empty sprues. Did a car or two after moving to WV, but then did a bunch of 1/9 motorcycles (I rode then). All of those models are in landfills somewhere--I really wish I had that T-Bird though. Lots of people have asked me why I do WWI planes; I really can't answer that any better than most of you can. I guess I like the variety of shapes and colors they came in--two other things: my very first ride in an airplane was in an open-cockpit biplane (my Dad's cousin Nicky had a Stearman [I think] and flew it from a cornfield outside Chicago); and about 1973 or 4, on a trip to a Pittsburgh hobby shop, I spied a WWI plane in Polish markings and decided to try it ('twas the K&B Fokker DVIII). And it's been WWI planes since then. I belong to a local modeling club, not IPMS affiliated, and enjoy getting together with the boys once a month--most of them are still stuck at the Nascar/pickup/semi phase but it's a good bunch. Started going to shows with them in the late 80's and for 5 or 6 years I was a veritable dervish. Then came the 90's and the building came to a screeching halt until now--the two kits I had going then sat and collected dust until recently: a DH1a and several Fokker EIIIs being bashed together into the Austrian biplane version. I stopped building but didn't stop buying--now have a backlog of about 400 kits and more coming from VAMP. I've also kept all the WWI planes I've built. TRIVIA I am not now, nor have I ever been, married. I am not gay. I like mustaches on men. Oldest built model: K&B 1/48 Fokker DVIII Oldest unbuilt kits: several K&B First vacuform kit built: 1/72 Etrich Taube (I'm also a sucker for punishment; actually, I figured if I could build that one, I could build anything!) Preferred scale: 1/48 (as the eyes get older and the fingers get stiffer, I'm keeping track of kits in 1/28) Second preference: 1/72 (hey, if it's the only kit...) Preferred paint: oil-base enamel (I'm a traditionalist) Most obsessive paint job: hand-painted Austrian sworl on a 1/48 Polish Albatros DIII Last European travel: Poland, June 2000, on a "Polka Through Poland with Eddie Blazoncyck and the Versatones" tour, but that's another story... Most awesome travel moment: New Year's Eve, 1999, at Angkor Wat, Cambodia Next trip: two weeks in Maya Mexico this March with an old friend; then either Silk Road from Kashgar to Beijing, or down the Mekong in Laos (am looking for a traveling companion who doesn't snore) Other ongoing interests: Alaskan Malamutes; Italian food; goldfish and koi; landscaping with evergreens and perennials; science fiction; outrageous ET stuff like the face on Mars and how DID they build those pyramids?; digital photography; remodeling my Victorian house; archaeology; Tibetan Buddhism Weirdest thing that ever happened to me: sitting on the porch of the college union with a friend into R/C planes late on a warm spring afternoon, facing west, nobody else around; we hear a buzzing sound beyond the next hill west, then watch with mouths agape as a flight of three Fokker Dr.I's fly over from west to east--I assume they were repros on their way to a fly-in somewhere-- Hospitality quotient: I live within earshot of Interstate 70 on an island in the Ohio River, Wheeling WV--stop in and see me sometime! Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:47:25 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nie. 17 Variable Wing Incidence Message-ID: <3A91A27D.ACE351C5@mars.ark.com> Extracted from a Nieuport Catalog of types for 1917 Nieuport 17 (and 23) incidences were as follows: Upper Lower Sweep Root/Tip Root/Tip Root/Tip (90º=straight) 2º50' 2º50' 4º 4º 4º 5º 87º40 Nieuport 21 (80hp LeRhone): Upper Lower Sweep Root/Tip Root/Tip Root/Tip (90º=straight) 2º40' 2º40' 4º 4º 4º 5º 86º40 A 1º difference equates to 0.18 mm in 1/72, and to 0.27mm in 48th... Mike F KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/19/01 3:07:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Neil.Crawford@volvo.com writes: > > << Could you actually see this in 1/72? Or 1/48 for that matter? > /Neil > >> > > Depends on what time of day! Seriously, it's a detail I might attempt to get > right, but I wouldn't spend too much time or effort, or stress worrying over > exactly exact exactitude! Tip washout and swooping trailing edges- yes- > that's something I try to duplicate. As an example- too many Halberstadts > models have been ruined for me because they didn't have the almost > grotesquely bent trailing edge on the lower wing. > Overall incidence? I'll give it some thought, but no stress! > RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:54:26 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Dark Crier Awakes Message-ID: <20010219225426.91468.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> 92 e-mails? I thought the list was kind of slow today. --- Karen Rychlewski wrote: > Boy, talk about a windy bunch! 92 emails--I don't > get 92 emails in a > month > > Seriously, heartfelt thanks to everyone > too-numerous-to-mention-from-around-the-world who > has welcomed me to the > list while I had my beauty sleep. I look forward to > a long and happy > interchange with you all > > BTW, one question remained unanswered from my > previous post: where do I > get this Mr. Surfacer stuff? > > Dame Karen > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:46:24 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: DB oopsie Message-ID: <005f01c09ac7$72bf8f60$5f121a3f@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: DB oopsie > Yes, Chris brought something to light. Unfortunately the software I'm > running is *Windows* only. Sorry. However, the question still stands > - would Windows users want such a thing? On top of the Windows, it > would have to be a 32 bit windows installation, i.e. Win95 or better. > > Gads...still thinking this through... > > > Matt Bittner > What did I do now? DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:02:25 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: OT Article in "Aviation History" Message-ID: <20010219230225.2110.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Hi List, There's an OT article, "Sopwith- Victory by Design" in the most recent issue of this magazine. Also a short build article on Academy's Sopwith Camel. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:14:42 -0000 From: "Steven Schofield" To: Subject: Help! Sopwith Cookup Message-ID: <003701c09ac9$bea0ff20$83a593c3@oemcomputer> Help! - I URGENTLY need a photo or diagram of the instrument panel of the Pup. I've drawn a blank in all my books and on the WWW. I've spent most of today smothing off the 'fabric' effect on the Airfix kit, and I've already added the structure of the interior. As it's the half-term holidays over here, this is my only chance to get to grips with my contribution to the cookup and I can't close the fuselage until I've got some idea about the panel. Neil Eddy kindly sent me a wad of photos from a replice in Australia, but I believe this has a modern set of instruments, so I can't be sure of the layout. Look, I know it's only 1/72 scale, but I'd at least like to know where to put the dials ;-( Scho http://www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:11:17 -0600 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DB oopsie Message-ID: <3A91A815.75878597@x25.net> Matt it sounds good to me. Lee M Matt Bittner wrote: > Yes, Chris brought something to light. Unfortunately the software I'm > running is *Windows* only. Sorry. However, the question still stands > - would Windows users want such a thing? On top of the Windows, it > would have to be a 32 bit windows installation, i.e. Win95 or better. > > Gads...still thinking this through... > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:09:26 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: My reference database Message-ID: <016b01c09ac9$022420c0$e1885ad1@default> I'm in. Especially with that finer French stuff! Ooh La La! Brad -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: My reference database >I haven't decided for sure, but I'm thinking of offering my reference >database on CD-ROM. Is there interest, and would $15 be too much to >ask for it? The database itself is almost 2meg big, so there's a lot >of info. I tend not to add everything, just what I think would help >for modeling. With that being said, for some reason I tend to add >French stuff in finer detail. :-) > >Thoughts? > > >Matt Bittner > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:13:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: S.P.A.D. XIII Rigging Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748C53@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Steve, > I'm sorry, but I really am one of those underfunded modelers. Anyone who is on this list has no reason to feel underfunded as far as references go. The usual schtick is "ask and you will receive" > Is the rigging for a Spad XIII rigging twice > in each bay - fore and aft? I assume that the wires run > diagonally from > strut to strut and from inner strut to cabane and root. Be carefull. The SPAd is a *single* bay biplane - the inner "struts" aren't struts at all, but spacers or braces for the wire. From memory the wires are in the traditional form, flying wires from the lower wing root fore and aft to the upper end of the interplane struts (The OUTER ones, the inner aren't struts), and from the centre section fore and aft to the lower end of the interplane struts. These wires cross at the midpoint fore and aft of the spacer/braces at the point where the horizontal piece runs between them All from memory, so I may be all wrong! > What color should I > paint the struts. I think the French tended to paint their > struts white and > the American S.P.A.D.'s were finished wood. ANother one I don't know but my recollection is that they should be the same - all made in the same factories after all. > Actually, I think I don't know. > Many thanks for your indulgence. Harrumph. You may regret my advice - I'll leave you to ask someone who *knows* or at worst, to wait until I get my books out tonight Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:25:34 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Help! Sopwith Cookup Message-ID: <3A91AB6D.C1DC3FFB@earthlink.net> Hey Steve There's a photo of a Pup cockpit in Cross & Cockade, No. 1, 1994, captioned "...thought to be that of 2/Lt Hadrill's A6174." The gun butt blocks much of the instrument panel but there's enough to probably be of help to you. I don't have a scanner handy, but if you can wait a day or two, I can trace it out and send it to you off-list as a JPEG file. Let me know Karen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:39:39 -0600 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Are you unpleasant Message-ID: <3A91AEBB.638A151C@x25.net> I received the message and I can not remember the date and time, stamp, on the message. "Are you unpleasant" is really, "Are you unhappy?", and the message continues with the following meaning. "with the high prices you are paying for Korean Models. I can supply Korean made plastic models at cheap prices" and he continues with the sales dialog and address, which I have lost. Very new kid on the block.... Since I lived in the Orient for almost 7.5 years I have a good feeling for their meaning when an Oriental, non-English, speaking person tries to speak or write English, based, on their own language structure and their dictionary, while, using very few words that they may really understand. I did read the message, so, I am not guessing. I believe both of you guys are pleasant. Lee M. Steve Cox wrote: > Peter wrote > > > >>> I am very sorry, If you are unpleasent,<< > > > > > > Steve, I got the very same message. Who do you suppose is putting it about > > that you and I are not nice to know? In my case it's due to an unfortunate > > fungal infection, but what's your excuse? > > > > cheers > > > > Peter L > > Well I just assumed I'd got your email by mistake > > Regards > Steve > > nb > =========================================== > steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html > If I didn't spend so much time on line > ‹‹ I'd get some models finished > ================ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:50:03 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Help! Sopwith Cookup Message-ID: <002101c09ace$aecd3b40$e4404c0c@tom> Hi- I can send you a photo of the panel I'm doing for the Pup and make comments based on the WS special and data file if you like direct rather then the site. If so, let me know. TP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Schofield" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: Help! Sopwith Cookup > > Help! - I URGENTLY need a photo or diagram of the instrument panel of the > Pup. I've drawn a blank in all my books and on the WWW. > > I've spent most of today smothing off the 'fabric' effect on the Airfix kit, > and I've already added the structure of the interior. As it's the half-term > holidays over here, this is my only chance to get to grips with my > contribution to the cookup and I can't close the fuselage until I've got > some idea about the panel. > Neil Eddy kindly sent me a wad of photos from a replice in Australia, but I > believe this has a modern set of instruments, so I can't be sure of the > layout. > > Look, I know it's only 1/72 scale, but I'd at least like to know where to > put the dials ;-( > > Scho > http://www.ww1.org.uk > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:54:06 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nie. 17 Variable Wing Incidence Message-ID: <1CB996D1.2CF866E7.3E0364A1@netscape.net> Dave and Mike, thanks much. You are not nitpicking. I have a lot better understanding of the subject that I didn't even know existed until a few days ago. No book can cover everything and no one can read every book. That's what makes this list so special. I couldn't begin to estimate the effect of one or more degrees incidence change on one lower wing of Nie. 17 in countering rotary engine torque at take-off or cruising speed. If it had been especially effective, I suppose it would have been used by more aircraft designers of the period. I was trying to get a sense of what the pilot of a rotary-engined aircraft had to contend with. Elliott's description of using obsolete, stub-winged (so they supposedly couldn't get airborne) Moranes for ground practice before being allowed to fly the Nieuports, led me to believe that the torque effect was considerable. Mike K. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:22:56 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Yes, we have no Mr. Surfacer today. Re: Dark Crier Awakes Message-ID: <99.10e44c94.27c312e0@aol.com> "Um . . . oh . . . uh, gee, I haven't seen any . . . um, anywhere," Steve offered not too convincingly, hoping that Karen wouldn't look too closely and see that last remaining bottle on the shelf, the next closer bottle being somewhere in Europe. In a message dated 2/19/1 5:43:39 PM, krychski@earthlink.net writes: << BTW, one question remained unanswered from my previous post: where do I get this Mr. Surfacer stuff? Dame Karen >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:37:32 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Revell kit Re: RE: S.P.A.D. XIII Rigging Message-ID: <63.1203b797.27c3164c@aol.com> Aha! Spacers and braces! Thanks. I couldn't have known that from this Revell kit. ~Steve di Giacomo In a message dated 2/19/1 6:15:01 PM, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Be carefull. The SPAd is a *single* bay biplane - the inner "struts" aren't struts at all, but spacers or braces for the wire. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:59:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Yes, we have no Mr. Surfacer today. Re: Dark Crier Awakes Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748C57@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Steve in reply to Dame karen: > "Um . . . oh . . . uh, gee, I haven't seen any . . . um, > anywhere," Steve > offered not too convincingly, hoping that Karen wouldn't look > too closely and > see that last remaining bottle on the shelf, the next closer > bottle being > somewhere in Europe. FWIW by trawling my own archive I get: Brian Nicklas says: > Meteor Productions in Merrifield Virginia USA > carries the Gunze "Mr" line. > http://www.meteorprod.com > I think is the url. > Usually an ad in Finescale Mike K says: > Over a year ago, I queried Marco Polo Imports re. several > Gunze Sangyo products and they referred me to a hobby shop > near them in California that had Mr. Surfacer, did mail > orders and I got some. I've misplaced the address and have > sent a query to Marco Polo but have not yet received a reply. > If and when I do and Mr. Surfacer is available, I'll post it. > > In the meantime, Hobbylink Japan, http://www.hlj.com/, lists > it in their online catalog. I suppose you could order it by > the case lot and retail the surplus to cover shipping costs. > Witold says: > In Poland GP Model&Hobby (http://www.gphobby.krakow.pl/) distributes > Gunze Sangyo. This is Polish on-line Shop, but I got mine > when I was in > Krakow last summer. There was Modeler's Meeting in Polish Aviation > Museum and GP M&H was one of organizer. I saw some in my > local shop but > they got them from GP M&H. ...and I say: I can get it from 3-4 stores in Brisbane, one 5 minutes walk from where I sit typing this. I suspect that Gunze is widely distributed outside the US but that local resistance to imported products prevents a wider distribution there. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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