WWI Digest 3097 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? by "Brad & Merville" 2) What is NIVO? by "Laskodi" 3) Re: What is NIVO? by "Matt Bittner" 4) "Modeller of the Year" by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 5) Re: What is NIVO? by David Fleming 6) Re: 1/48 Kits by "Limon3" 7) RE: What is NIVO? by "Ray Boorman" 8) Re: What is NIVO? by "TOM PLESHA" 9) Re: What is NIVO? by MAnde72343@aol.com 10) Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? by "TOM PLESHA" 11) Rig hole locations "Ilya Muromets" by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 12) Re: What is NIVO? by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 13) Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 14) Re: What is NIVO? by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? by pugs99@att.net 16) Decal Paper & Rosemont Hobby & Gothas by pugs99@att.net 17) New 1:48 HR Model Pfalz E.V by Todd Hayes 18) Re: Are you unpleasant by Steve Cox 19) Re: RE5 by Steve Cox 20) Re: Are you unpleasant by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 21) Re: Are you unpleasant by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? by Mark Miller 23) "Palmer Aero" tire decals by pugs99@att.net 24) Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? by Mark Miller 25) FVM O1 wasThulin O1 wasRe: Pomerania by "Neil Crawford" 26) Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? by "Bob Pearson" 27) Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 28) Re: FVM O1 wasThulin O1 wasRe: Pomerania by KarrArt@aol.com 29) Nie. 17 Variable Wing Incidence by RadspadMike@netscape.net 30) IMEX softee plastic by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 31) Re: New model Sopwith Wright by "Jim Landon" 32) Re: Digital Card Models by "Jim Landon" 33) Re: Nie. 17 Variable Wing Incidence by KarrArt@aol.com 34) Re: New model Sopwith Wright by "Lee J. Mensinger" 35) Re: Card Models by "Bob Pearson" 36) Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? by "David Calhoun" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:06:33 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? Message-ID: <001001c099bc$625c6e60$25895ad1@default> I'm in! I usually try to attend opening weekend (early June ) and closing weekend (early October, for the fall colours). It's a 6 1/2hr from Toronto and worth every minute (even though our dollar's been diving like a wingless RE8 lately) : Brad -----Original Message----- From: pugs99@att.net To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:32 PM Subject: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? >Hi All, >I was wondering if there might be any interest in a >Listees get-together at Old Rhinebeck this season?? If >there is, let's see if we can pick a weekend or Sunday >that everyone might like. The link to the 2001 schedule >follows. I try to go several times a season, especially >for the Vinatge Aircraft Fly-In and the Mid-Hudson RC >Modelers weekend. Let me know. >http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/sched2001.htm > >Regards, >John Impenna > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:26:11 -0800 From: "Laskodi" To: "WWI List Post" Subject: What is NIVO? Message-ID: <000901c099c7$81fc2160$473819d0@laskodi> Pacific Coast Models (Calif) has ordered up the entire line of MisterKit WWI Acrylic paint. They list NIVO under British colors, what is this? TIA, ------------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:31:12 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: What is NIVO? Message-ID: <200102181631.IAA23442@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:31:06 -0500 (EST), Laskodi wrote: > Pacific Coast Models (Calif) has ordered up the entire line of MisterKit WWI > Acrylic paint. They list NIVO under British colors, what is this? It was primarily used for night fighters and the like. Take a look at my review of the German and British paints in a past issue of IM (unfortunately I forget which month) as I painted parts with those paints. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 01:40:36 -0800 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: "Modeller of the Year" Message-ID: <3A90EA14.BE23AA89@tac.com.au> Hi all, We've just recieved the latest IPMS(Australia) Newsletter. Upon reading it, we discovered that a certain listee has been keeping his light under a bushell. Now, since we're fairly certain that it's hasn't been mentioned here, it's only fair that we tell you about his success ;-). Last year, Tony Mollica scored a handful of 2nd & 3rd places in the their End of Year competitions covering a range of genres. However no OT was included :-( However, he also went on to win the Modeller of the Year Award as well. So stand up & take the applause Tony. Congrats & a hearty well done. Regards, Shane & Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:40:37 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: What is NIVO? Message-ID: <3A8FFB05.EC5B91EF@dial.pipex.com> Laskodi wrote: > Pacific Coast Models (Calif) has ordered up the entire line of MisterKit WWI > Acrylic paint. They list NIVO under British colors, what is this? > TIA, > ------------Bob Night Invisible Varnish Orfordness. A dark green used on night bombers (such as HP0/400) and some fighters. It is alos suggested as the green on Felixstowe boats. It was the standard RAF inter war bomber colour, before changing it's name to Dark Slate Grey and becoming part of the WW2 sea scheme. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:04:10 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: 1/48 Kits Message-ID: <002a01c099cc$d0c93800$57f7303f@f4w2s5> I just finished my Roland DII, and though it was a lot of work, I was generally satisfied with the build. Special Thanks due to Diego for supplying the internals, et al, which helped a bunch. Regards, Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Alvarado To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, February 17, 2001 10:19 PM Subject: Re: 1/48 Kits >The LFG Roland D.II is also available in injection molded plastic from Hi-Tech. >Not a bad kit, available through Squadron mail order. > >Alvie > >Scottfking@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 2/15/01 8:39:09 PM EST, RadspadMike@netscape.net writes: >> >> << Are any of the following aircraft produced in 1/48th scale? If so, who >> makes >> > them, and where can I get a hold of them? >> > · >> > · DFW C.Va >> > · LFG Roland D.II >> > · >> >> These 2 are available as VacForms from Sierra Scale, according to Bob Norgren >> they are still in production >> >> Skippy (Scott) > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:23:02 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: What is NIVO? Message-ID: >David Fleming wrote > > Night Invisible Varnish Orfordness. A dark green used on night > bombers (such as > HP0/400) and some fighters. It is alos suggested as the green on > Felixstowe > boats. It was the standard RAF inter war bomber colour, before > changing it's > name to Dark Slate Grey and becoming part of the WW2 sea scheme. Now that I didnt know. This list is an amazing source of info. I knew that Nivo was used for Night Fighters, experimental schemes and of course was the colour of HP400's. But I had no clue it survived to become dark slate grey....... I've always wanted to build an Overstrand painted in Nivo. ever since I saw one years and years ago at a Model Engineer Exhibition. Just to keep this OT what year did Nivo come into use. I've always thought it was 1917 is this accurate?. Since this colour was supposed to be consistent did it change through the years??? Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:52:47 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: What is NIVO? Message-ID: <000b01c099d3$9b47d860$55434c0c@tom> I ordered a complete set of all WWI paints quite some time ago from PAC, so I should receive them fairly soon, as soon as I receive them I'll post what NIVO is, unless someone else already knows. TP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laskodi" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 11:31 AM Subject: What is NIVO? > Pacific Coast Models (Calif) has ordered up the entire line of MisterKit WWI > Acrylic paint. They list NIVO under British colors, what is this? > TIA, > ------------Bob > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:51:41 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: What is NIVO? Message-ID: <9f.115b3b6b.27c165ad@aol.com> --part1_9f.115b3b6b.27c165ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Night Invisible Varnish, Oxfordness, a dark greenish gray developed by the British during the war as night camouflage. Merrill --part1_9f.115b3b6b.27c165ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Night Invisible Varnish, Oxfordness, a dark greenish gray developed by the
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--part1_9f.115b3b6b.27c165ad_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:56:39 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? Message-ID: <002501c099d4$257f7380$55434c0c@tom> We, my wife and I, woould certainly be interested, it would depend on the date. TP ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? > Hi All, > I was wondering if there might be any interest in a > Listees get-together at Old Rhinebeck this season?? If > there is, let's see if we can pick a weekend or Sunday > that everyone might like. The link to the 2001 schedule > follows. I try to go several times a season, especially > for the Vinatge Aircraft Fly-In and the Mid-Hudson RC > Modelers weekend. Let me know. > http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/sched2001.htm > > Regards, > John Impenna > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:55:34 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Rig hole locations "Ilya Muromets" Message-ID: <62.c04316e.27c16696@aol.com> Dennis, where do I drill for rigging this crate? While I'm at it, what color is to be painting different parts? Paint overall any likely shade of khaki? (As in tan.) Tanks, Steve di Giacomo stephendigiacomo@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:51:04 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: What is NIVO? Message-ID: <000d01c099d3$5e13a9b0$4038183f@cyrixp166> Actually there was a pretty good thread on this awhile back. Isn't one of Sandy Adam's Camels on the website finished in NIVO? Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:54:48 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? Message-ID: <002b01c099d3$e37c0980$4038183f@cyrixp166> I would also be interested in getting together for one of these. I don't think I can do Sept and the R/C weekend though. I think Allison & I are going the OTF weekend in Sept in San Deigo. Regards, John Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad & Merville To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? > I'm in! I usually try to attend opening weekend (early June ) and closing > weekend (early October, for the fall colours). It's a 6 1/2hr from Toronto > and worth every minute (even though our dollar's been diving like a wingless > RE8 lately) : > > > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: pugs99@att.net > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:32 PM > Subject: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? > > > >Hi All, > >I was wondering if there might be any interest in a > >Listees get-together at Old Rhinebeck this season?? If > >there is, let's see if we can pick a weekend or Sunday > >that everyone might like. The link to the 2001 schedule > >follows. I try to go several times a season, especially > >for the Vinatge Aircraft Fly-In and the Mid-Hudson RC > >Modelers weekend. Let me know. > >http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/sched2001.htm > > > >Regards, > >John Impenna > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:12:56 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: What is NIVO? Message-ID: In a message dated 2/18/01 9:31:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: << Just to keep this OT what year did Nivo come into use. I've always thought it was 1917 is this accurate?. ........>> Ray >> According to Bruce Robertson in the Albatros Prod special about British colors: "......while Nivo had been developed early in 1917 and used on a wide scale trials with trainers, it is doubtful if any operational aircraft of WW I were finished in Nivo other than experimentally on Sopwith F.1/3Camels E5164 andE5165 and FE2bs D9978 and D9952 in August/September 1918." RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:09:13 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? Message-ID: <20010218200914.UCBM6882.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Steve D. writes>> June should promise the most comfortable weather, no? ~Steve di Giacomo<< The opening weekend is June 16-17. Yhis is a "Fly-In" weekend as well. That would be a perfect time for a get together. Any one else interested? Regards, John Impenna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:16:02 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Decal Paper & Rosemont Hobby & Gothas Message-ID: <20010218201603.UECX6882.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi Folks, I forgot to mention in my previous post that Barry @ Rosemont carries Tango Papa Lozenge decals. He might also carry or maybe can get the clear and white sheets made by Tango Papa, so as to avoid having to order 30 sheets at a time. If anyone is thinking of ordering any direct from Tango Papa, let me know and we can share the order. I'm just assuming folks may think 30 sheets are more than you might need, because the price is really cheap. Oh, no interest in Tango Papa. Forgot to mention that too before. How are those Gothas coming????? Anyone start theirs yet?? Inquiring minds want to know........... Regards, John Impenna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:25:40 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: New 1:48 HR Model Pfalz E.V Message-ID: <20010218202540.96648.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> I just saw this kit listed on VAMP's web site for $20. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:48:05 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Are you unpleasant Message-ID: apologies for the mime format message sent earlier, I don't know why it happened, I have plain text set in the preferences Regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > > Got this message from an enterprising visitor to my website, made Janet & I > smile, thought I'd share. >Dear.. >I am very sorry, If you are unpleasent, It is not spam mail >I am sale manager (Hobbymodelkorea.com) >Plesae visit >The korean Plstic model kit is high qulity and low price >I will supply Korean Plastic Model kit with low price >Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:48:05 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: RE5 Message-ID: Munson's "Bombers 1914-19 shows No 678. CDL under, pale brown with olive green patches on all top and side surfaces. Roundels on underside of lower wings only. Serial in black and small Union Jack on the rudder. Nose panels and cowling black Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > Michael Kendix asks > > Folks: > > I have the RE-5/RE-7 Datafile but I am looking for additional > profiles/colour schemes of the RE-5. The Datafile has a couple - one on the > back and one on the cover which are OK, but I'm looking for options. > > > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:59:51 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Are you unpleasant Message-ID: >>I am very sorry, If you are unpleasent,<< Steve, I got the very same message. Who do you suppose is putting it about that you and I are not nice to know? In my case it's due to an unfortunate fungal infection, but what's your excuse? cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:07:05 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Are you unpleasant Message-ID: In a message dated 2/18/01 1:02:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, LEONARDPeterL@aol.com writes: << >>I am very sorry, If you are unpleasent,<< Steve, I got the very same message. Who do you suppose is putting it about that you and I are not nice to know? In my case it's due to an unfortunate fungal infection, but what's your excuse? cheers Peter L >> I got same message from this guy- I don't know what my problem is. RK ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 13:17:54 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? Message-ID: <20010218211754.18845.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> > The opening weekend is June 16-17. Yhis is a "Fly-In" > weekend as well. That would be a perfect time for a get > together. Any one else interested? > > Regards, > John Impenna Count me in I'll have to check around and make sure there are no conflicts but it shouldn't be a problem - sounds like fun I'm assuming we are talking about Sunday - which I believe is when they do the WW1 show Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:31:17 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: "Palmer Aero" tire decals Message-ID: <20010218213117.UTDW6882.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi Folks, Did someone mention a while back that they had a source for these decals for British a/c tires in 1/48th scale??? TIA for any info. Regards, John Impenna ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 13:36:04 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? Message-ID: <20010218213604.19625.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Sun, 18 February 2001, Stephendigiacomo@aol.com wrote: > > Sounds like a great idea. It's a good two hour trip - I'm such a shtick in > der mud - but I'm game for this. Most likely have to bring the two little > ones. > Hmmm. What time of year is "black fly" season? Late Spring to Early Summer? > That's when we SHOULDN'T go. Unless the black flies aren't a problem in that > area. Of course, there's always insect repellent. June should promise the > most comfortable weather, no? > ~Steve di Giacomo DEFINITLY bring your kids - The show is kinda of a goofy, slapstick thing which goes over big with children, did with mine anyways. although My two oldest (12, 9) have been there so many times that they are begining to get a little fed up with it - I'm sure I'll get "ah dad, not Rhinbeck again" although - the idea of going alone does have some advantage The black flies aren't as bad as they are up north - but they still are quite annoying Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:37:51 +0100 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: FVM O1 wasThulin O1 wasRe: Pomerania Message-ID: <000701c099f3$0c70de00$49b597d4@default> Robert, The Tummelisa wasn't a Thulin. It was designed by the Central Air Force workshop, FVM sometimes known as CVM. It had a 90hp Thulin engine, the same as they didn't have in Fokker Triplanes. It looks just like a Nieuport or Hanriot, very WW1 looking, but just a bit late, they used it as a fighter trainer in the twenties. Old pilots used to talk about its delightful handling much as they talked about Pup's in Britain. /Neil 'nother little invasion in the Central Valley at Kingsburg, complete with giant red Dala horses at the local MacDonalds........for on-topic content: anybody wanting to dig into the Thulin O1 Tummelisa, get your fingers on Windsock v11 n3 May/June '95- photos, drawings,-heck even the cover. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:46:02 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? Message-ID: <200102182154.NAA16609@mail.rapidnet.net> > The black flies aren't as bad as they are up north - but they still are > quite annoying I don't recall the flies, but the last time I was there the Cicadas were swarming ... really cool to hear this droning going on all around you. And don't forget that they offer rides in the Standard .. and if you bat your eyelids in a comely manner in the Tiger Moth !!!! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:31:38 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? Message-ID: <001001c099fa$8fed6f30$e638183f@cyrixp166> We went 2 ago. I went periodically through the 90's. I was very impressed last time how the pilots has grown into their aircraft. The Camel & Tripe did a head-on pass at field level. Even my little one, who does not like loud noises, was impressed - "Dad, That was Coool!" she said. Cyg. > DEFINITLY bring your kids - The show is kinda of a goofy, slapstick thing which goes over big with children, did with mine anyways. > although My two oldest (12, 9) have been there so many times that they are begining to get a little fed up with it - I'm sure I'll get "ah dad, not Rhinbeck again" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:57:36 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: FVM O1 wasThulin O1 wasRe: Pomerania Message-ID: <9b.11066be3.27c1ad60@aol.com> In a message dated 2/18/01 1:40:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, neil.crawford@swipnet.se writes: << Robert, The Tummelisa wasn't a Thulin. It was designed by the Central Air Force workshop, FVM sometimes known as CVM. It had a 90hp Thulin engine, the same as they didn't have in Fokker Triplanes. It looks just like a Nieuport or Hanriot, very WW1 looking, but just a bit late, they used it as a fighter trainer in the twenties. Old pilots used to talk about its delightful handling much as they talked about Pup's in Britain. /Neil >> yep- a too quick reply before sneding- a design by Von Porat and Kjellson, with Thulin built engine....I've seen the damn thing at the museum (but yet to see the Carlson repro in action). RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:15:06 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Nie. 17 Variable Wing Incidence Message-ID: <1D201EE7.7F2C1C45.3E0364A1@netscape.net> My apologies if this has been addressed before. It is my first encounter with the idea of variable wing incidence and this feature being used to counter the torque of rotary engines. In his book, Wooden Crates and Gallant Pilots, Stuart Elliott, tells of his experiences at the 3rd Aviation Instruction Center, Issoudun, France, in November 1917. He called the aircraft used, "Niewport (sic) fifteen meters." He further described them as "training Niewports powered by 80 to 120 hp Le Rhone rotary engines which revolved at about 1200 rpm at flying speed. These planes had relatively small rudders, and their left lower wings had a greater angle of incidence than the lower rights, to compensate for the engine's torque, which at flying speed was considerable." J.M. Bruce, in the Nieuport 17 Windsock datafile identified the aircraft: "This improved design was designated Nieuport 17, officially presented as Nie.17.C 1; by virtue of its wing area, it was in its turn loosely spoken of as the 15-metre Nieuport." Bruce speaks of the original design of the Nieuport 10, which was intended to have a variable-incidence lower wing but doesn't specifically associated it with the Nie.17.C 1. Davilla and Soltan, in French Aircraft of the First World War, in discussing the wings of the Nieuport 17 said, "The bottom wing had an incidence that could be adjusted on the ground to facilitate rigging the aircraft for varying loads." No mention is made of adjusting the lower left wing alone to help counter rotary engine torque. Does anyone know if adjusting wing incidence in such a manner was a common practice? With any other aircraft? It made me think of a recent thread on contest judging emphasizing the basics. I'd hate to be an AMS modeler who prepared an Issoudun training Nie. 17 to relect the difference between lower left and right wing incidence, only to have a judge look at it and say, "we can eliminate this one right away. The lower wings aren't on straight and square." Mike K. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:33:29 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: IMEX softee plastic Message-ID: <33.10dae09d.27c1b5c9@aol.com> Is it possible to paint IMEX figures in a way that will last or is it not? These are old moulds which were formerly marketed by . . . oh, I can't remember. TIA Steve di Giacomo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:44:00 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New model Sopwith Wright Message-ID: Lee said: <> Thanks Lee. Do you mean plastic card or card card? Anybody have pictures of a finished one? Jim _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:47:21 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Digital Card Models Message-ID: <> Thanks Ken _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:48:59 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nie. 17 Variable Wing Incidence Message-ID: In a message dated 2/18/01 3:19:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, RadspadMike@netscape.net writes: << Does anyone know if adjusting wing incidence in such a manner was a common practice? With any other aircraft? >> A lot of the more detailed drawings of WW I planes show different incidence on right and left- mostly warping out towards the tip. The Albatros C.III top wing, for example, had the left wing starting at 6deg going to 2.1 deg at the tip. The right wing was 5.9deg at the inside, 1/5 at the tip. The lower wing was simlar. The method here wasn't that single spar tilt-o-whirl of the Nieuport, it was in the rigging. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:20:49 -0600 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New model Sopwith Wright Message-ID: <3A9074F1.F8928D39@x25.net> Usually it is a heavy card stock. A bit heavier than a post card material. They are already colored on the print out and the stuff must pass through a color printer. They have been around for years. I suppose it might work on a thin plastic but I have never seen it done. There was a place in down town San antonio that sold some in a book form. They would be cut out and formed using the card stock that the book was made of. Everything from Forts and Castles to WW I and WW II planes. One person in particular has stuff on the WWI list periodically. Lee Jim Landon wrote: > Lee said: < glued together as a 3D model. They are called "Card Models". Very easy to > send on a CD. I believe thay print out in color>> > > Thanks Lee. Do you mean plastic card or card card? Anybody have pictures > of a finished one? > > Jim > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:42:00 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Card Models Message-ID: <200102190144.RAA22992@mail.rapidnet.net> An interesting site in this vein is Fiddlers Green. Chip Fyn has many different things including WW1, WW2 and modern aircraft . .. His site is at http://www.fiddlersgreen.net There are also downloadable samples there Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:47:34 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? Message-ID: <031801c09a2f$1931ac00$07d33ccc@oemcomputer> I would be interested in Rhinebeck, let me know a weekend & maybe I can plan a trip with some of the Wings & Wheels club guys. Dave Calhoun Enfield, CT -----Original Message----- From: pugs99@att.net To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:28 PM Subject: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? >Hi All, >I was wondering if there might be any interest in a >Listees get-together at Old Rhinebeck this season?? If >there is, let's see if we can pick a weekend or Sunday >that everyone might like. The link to the 2001 schedule >follows. I try to go several times a season, especially >for the Vinatge Aircraft Fly-In and the Mid-Hudson RC >Modelers weekend. Let me know. >http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/sched2001.htm > >Regards, >John Impenna > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3097 **********************