WWI Digest 3096 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: New model Sopwith Wright by "Lee J. Mensinger" 2) RE: Parachutes by Shane Weier 3) Digital Card Models by "Ken Zelnick" 4) Re: On topic Soviet (mal) administration of E. Europe. was Re: MvR Victory Cups by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 5) diary update plus RE: Pilot parachute provision by "Gaston Graf" 6) DH-4 Datafile by "bruce simard" 7) Idle,idle,idle or shot down? by "Hans Trauner" 8) Re: Idle,idle,idle or shot down? by Craig Gavin 9) Oleo derivation by "Michael Kendix" 10) No Politics by "TOM PLESHA" 11) Re: 1/48 Kits by Scottfking@aol.com 12) Re: Idle,idle,idle or shot down? by Todd Hayes 13) Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? by pugs99@att.net 14) Re: Oleo derivation by "David C. Fletcher" 15) Re: Oleo derivation by "TOM PLESHA" 16) Roland D.VIb Colors by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 17) Re: ot query to Polish members by PolTexCW@aol.com 18) Re: Oleo derivation by PolTexCW@aol.com 19) Re: Roland D.VIb Colors by "Bob Pearson" 20) Re: Roland D.VIb Colors by "TOM PLESHA" 21) Re: 1/48 Kits by "Michael S. Alvarado" 22) Re: X-acto was Rib Tapes by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 23) Re: Oleo derivation by "Karl Otto Titzlinger" 24) Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 25) Scale prgression: Re: ot query to Polish members by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 26) Re: Pomerania by Witold Kozakiewicz 27) Re: Roland D.VIb Colors by Scottfking@aol.com 28) RE: Idle,idle,idle or shot down? by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:09:21 -0600 From: "Lee J. Mensinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New model Sopwith Wright Message-ID: <3A8F04A0.C19852C4@x25.net> Nope. It is to be printed on Card stock, cut out and formed then glued together as a 3D model. They are called "Card Models". Very easy to send on a CD. I believe thay print out in color Lee Jim Landon wrote: > I'm not familiar with "Digital Card models". How can a model come on a CD? > Is it just the plans? > > Jim > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:24:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Parachutes Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7101748C3C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Brent, >> http://www.anzacs.net/MvR-Eye-Witness.htm There is an >> eyewitness recording >> talking about him having a parchute. > > > "He had his Fokker Albatros painted bright red." > > It's an attractive site, but I hate it when I see bush league > research. This > is *easy* stuff. I always ask: If they can't get the easy > stuff right, how > can I trust them with the difficult stuff? > I'm curious, because I can't play the recording on my non-audio enabled laptop, whether the reference to "Fokker Albatros" is by the eye witness or someone else. If it's the eye witness, you're being a bit harsh on the quality of research - he was a grunt, not an aero historian. If it's a reference by the web author, then it is clearly lazy scholarship. And incidentally, if the eye witness was the one who thought the plane was a "Fokker Albatros" it neatly demonstrates the caution we should take about relying on the *detail* accuracy of eye witness accounts made 60 years after the fact. (I wonder if he really saw a parachute, or just remembers it that way after 60 years and seeing or hearing about WW2 pilots parachuting to safety a thousand times?) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:27:34 -0600 From: "Ken Zelnick" To: Subject: Digital Card Models Message-ID: <001001c09939$35a400a0$fc64b4d0@tcac.net> Jim et al, Digital card models are meant to be printed out on heavy paper such as card stock. You then cut out the pieces and assemble, much as you might scratch build a model from styrene sheet. In this case, all the outlines and "painting" are already done for you. I bought Steve Bucher's BE-2 a while back, but have only gotten as far as printing it on the card stock. To my uneducated and non-critical eye, it looks like it has potential. Check with others for their opinions. Hope this helps. Steve has a downloadable grey-scale 1/72 BE-2 available for free at http://ww1cardmodels.bizland.com/ if you want to try one out. There are lots of sites with card models, mostly ot. Contact me offlist and I may be able to direct you to some more. Hope this helps, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:42:00 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: On topic Soviet (mal) administration of E. Europe. was Re: MvR Victory Cups Message-ID: I'm sorry. It's just that . . . that . . When the big 1/72 Airfix figures beat up on the little 1/69 scale Revell figures . . . I, I, I'm sorry. ~Steve In a message dated 2/17/1 6:05:42 PM, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << This form of political banter does *not* belong on this list. This type of thing just causes people to unsub from the list. We all have our opinions on things, but when they go towards the political it is best to keep it to yourself. Please let's keep this list related to WW1 model building. Matt Bittner WW1 Modeler's Page Assistant Editor >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:52:56 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: diary update plus RE: Pilot parachute provision Message-ID: As Mr. Spok says: FASCINATING ! Now I need to reread where I found the statement about the refused chutes and I am really curious to read more about the truth. btw: I jjust posted a new bigger entry to my diary of research regarding the was MvR took with the Uhlans. I posted a map showing the movements of the Germans on invasion of Luxembourg on August 2, 1914. Also this map shows the way of MvR after his own description in his book which does not need to be true since there was falsification by censorship and propaganda. Please notice that MvR came passed Luxembourg later than August 2. thanks Shane ;o) Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Shane > Weier > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:52 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Pilot parachute provision > > > Gaston says: > > > RFC pilots watching a German pilot to jump from > > his machine > > requested chutes at their superiors but the request was > > rejected with the > > argumentation that a pilot could be led to abandon his > > aircraft to early > > instead of trying to save it (???). The aircraft was worth > > more than the > > pilot! That was one of the best demonstrations of the arrogance of WW1 > > military leaders of all sides. > > Unfortunately, while this view has a fair amount of currency, it > is actually > unsupported by any actual evidence. We've discussed this before, > and (if the > search engine works properly) you should be able to read all > about it in the > archive. > > Apparently the reason this idea is around is that one (or more) > pilots wrote > in their memoirs that this was the reason they never got parachutes (and > this taken as fact by later readers), but on no evidence > themselves but that > of mess rumour. Of course, if mess rumour were truth the war > would have been > over by Christmas 1914. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:58:47 -0500 From: "bruce simard" To: "WWI List" Subject: DH-4 Datafile Message-ID: <000001c0993d$bf820d40$6b3aaf3f@22by501> In today's Digest Matt asked about the DH-4 Datafile: Gents, all I can say is, if you're interested in DH-4's, Don't miss it ! This is volume one of the set. The set will apparently consist of 2 volumes in total. This datafile is 61 pages,3 pages of color profiles (or colour, if you prefer !), approximately 9 profiles including some interesting camouflage schemes of buff and powder blue ! Plans in both scales of the Eagle powered and the Puma powered DH-4. For the Liberty powered version, we'll have to wait for the next volume. But my overall impression is well worth the money. Quite a bit on the early usage, especially on the RNAS Squadrons. Snapshot histories of use with the following units, 18,25,27,49,55,57,202,205,217, and 224 Squadrons. From my prospective, I'm really hoping volume 2 will also dive into the use by the US Navy and Marine Bombing groups, not a whole lot available on those that I know of. Although pricey, I have to admit it's worth it. It all depends how much information you want on the DH-4. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:07:26 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: "WWI, Mailing List New" Subject: Idle,idle,idle or shot down? Message-ID: <000401c09947$28bd5b80$71a172d4@custom-pc> Hey! Is the list active?? Anybody out there? Please post any answer in the list. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:17:34 -0600 From: Craig Gavin To: Subject: Re: Idle,idle,idle or shot down? Message-ID: Hans - The list appears to be up. - Craig Gavin > From: "Hans Trauner" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:12:18 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Idle,idle,idle or shot down? > > Hey! > Is the list active?? Anybody out there? Please post any answer in the list. > > Hans > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 01:30:48 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Oleo derivation Message-ID: I note the term oleo referring to a certain type of undercarriage - usually with a small forward wheel. Please can someone give me the derivation of this term and what it means exactly. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:40:03 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: No Politics Message-ID: <001f01c0994b$b7fbbfe0$32424c0c@tom> Thank you Matt. I, even though I'm quite new to the list, am not enthralled with political discussions in place of WWI models, building discussions of same and related items, etc. TP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: Re: On topic Soviet (mal) administration of E. Europe. was Re: MvR Victory Cups > This form of political banter does *not* belong on this list. This > type of thing just causes people to unsub from the list. We all have > our opinions on things, but when they go towards the political it is > best to keep it to yourself. Please let's keep this list related to > WW1 model building. > > > Matt Bittner > WW1 Modeler's Page Assistant Editor > > > "Slur?" I didn't see any slur. Why should it offend? The Soviet system was > > born in 1917, and everything mentioned below regarding the Soviet occupation > > and pillage - woops, I mean "administration", of its 1944-45 conquests - er, > > um, "liberations", finds its source DIRECTLY in the events of the Great War; > > and besides, nothing said below about the Soviets was untrue. Their system > > is a positively unsrcrupulous and counter-productive venture all the way > > round and has accomplished more human, financial and ecological damage than > > all nine years of World War I (to include WWI part 2). And they would have > > done it anytime after October 1917 and well before 1945 if they felt any > > sufficient comfort that they could get away with it. What a marvelous > > opportunity the Versailles Treaty, et al. ultimately provided the Bolsheviks! > > (A humiliated German populace falls under the spell of one of the Willy's > > corporals and launches itself against a commy infested France and it's parent > > U.S.S.R. among others - giving the Soviets a chance they only dreamed in > > 1917! To understand the events of1945 and after one HAS to understand the > > various material and metaphysical dynamics which carried us from the French > > Revolution smack into and through the meat and soul grinder of The Great War.) > > > > > > In a message dated 2/17/1 4:57:21 AM, Suvoroff@aol.com writes: > > > > << This sort of "slur and run" tactic really offends me. Since its > > off-topic, > > you shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. Please don't do so > > again. > > > > Yours, > > James D. Gray > > > > "Like I said already, war is always barbaric. By no way I defend the deeds of > > the Nazis, but doing it the same way and worse AND calling oneself liberator > > while one was in fact an oppressor is despicable. Have you ever been to > > Eastern Europe at the time the iron curtain still existed? Did you see the > > difference? I did, because my wife is from Magedburg, not far from Berlin - > > a city once liberated by US troops but later traded for East-Berlin... While > > the Marshall plan helped the West-Germans to rebuild their country, the > > Russians ruled their zone through oppression and exploitation. While the > > Americans became the friends of the Germans, the Russians was hated by the > > population of GDR for obvious reasons. Why do you believe that countries > > such as Poland, Czechia and Slowenia now grow to Western standart? Because > > they are finally FREE now! > > > > Do your friends from the East European countries aggree or disagree? > > > > Anyway - I think this is my last answer to this discussion because it is way > > ot." >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:41:41 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/48 Kits Message-ID: <82.6ff1243.27c08255@aol.com> In a message dated 2/15/01 8:39:09 PM EST, RadspadMike@netscape.net writes: << Are any of the following aircraft produced in 1/48th scale? If so, who makes > them, and where can I get a hold of them? > · > · DFW C.Va > · LFG Roland D.II > · These 2 are available as VacForms from Sierra Scale, according to Bob Norgren they are still in production Skippy (Scott) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:54:31 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Idle,idle,idle or shot down? Message-ID: <20010218015431.73430.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> No Hans, no one here. --- Craig Gavin wrote: > Hans - The list appears to be up. - Craig Gavin > > From: "Hans Trauner" > > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > > Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:12:18 -0500 (EST) > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: Idle,idle,idle or shot down? > > > > Hey! > > Is the list active?? Anybody out there? Please > post any answer in the list. > > > > Hans > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:25:34 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? Message-ID: <20010218022534.HDKM2429.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi All, I was wondering if there might be any interest in a Listees get-together at Old Rhinebeck this season?? If there is, let's see if we can pick a weekend or Sunday that everyone might like. The link to the 2001 schedule follows. I try to go several times a season, especially for the Vinatge Aircraft Fly-In and the Mid-Hudson RC Modelers weekend. Let me know. http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/sched2001.htm Regards, John Impenna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:31:56 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oleo derivation Message-ID: <3A8F341C.8000609@mars.ark.com> Michael Kendix wrote: > I note the term oleo referring to a certain type of undercarriage - usually > with a small forward wheel. Please can someone give me the derivation of > this term and what it means exactly. Oleo gear: A type of oil-damping device that depends on the flow of oil through an orifice for its shock absorbing effect in a landing gear. 'Oleo' refers to oil action. Most WWI aircraft used bungee cords for shock absorption and oleos only came into general use later. An oleo leg is much like an automotive shock absorber, so is a little more complex in design and construction than the 'rubber bands' of the Camels and Albatrossen. By the way, those interested in my bio can follow the link on my website. Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:40:59 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Oleo derivation Message-ID: <000901c09954$3aceae20$6e444c0c@tom> In addition, to what David stated, the oleo struts also include a gas under pressure with the oil for the compression control and the extension of the strut. TP ----- Original Message ----- From: "David C. Fletcher" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Oleo derivation > Michael Kendix wrote: > > > I note the term oleo referring to a certain type of undercarriage - usually > > with a small forward wheel. Please can someone give me the derivation of > > this term and what it means exactly. > > > Oleo gear: A type of oil-damping device that depends on the flow of oil > through an orifice for its shock absorbing effect in a landing gear. > 'Oleo' refers to oil action. > > Most WWI aircraft used bungee cords for shock absorption and oleos only > came into general use later. An oleo leg is much like an automotive > shock absorber, so is a little more complex in design and construction > than the 'rubber bands' of the Camels and Albatrossen. > > By the way, those interested in my bio can follow the link on my website. > > Dave Fletcher > -- > Visit us at our Home Page: > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:33:00 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: Roland D.VIb Colors Message-ID: In anticipation of building the Mac Roland D.VIb I did a bit of digging and came up with the scheme I want to finish it in. It's P-132, the one sent over to the US and tested at Wright Field in 1920. I've got three photos that show it in what appears to be a three-color scheme. It also appears that there is a standard US star on the port upper wing, and the number 7502 on the fuselage side. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the colors might be (and a picture of the right side perhaps)? The photos I have are out of the AAHS Journal Volume 4, Number 1. Also in that issue is the Official 'Performance Test - Summary of Results'. If anyone is interested I can make a PDF out of it. Sincerely, Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Illustrator Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:00:17 EST From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ot query to Polish members Message-ID: In a message dated 2/17/1 1:25:54 PM, Stephendigiacomo@aol.com writes: << I don't have any problem with you posting this interesting query to the list, but you do realize, I hope, that if your plan as proposed is altered sufficiently - and whose plans are not before execution, that any such work which represents Polish-German action on October 4th '39 will have to be in 1/1 scale. >> Assuming of course an arithmetic progession. A geometric progression would result in a dispute of transcendental proportions - which in fact it is as any Pole (or German) would admit were he honest (or in his cups). Expansively, John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:05:22 EST From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oleo derivation Message-ID: In a message dated 2/17/1 8:33:11 PM, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << I note the term oleo referring to a certain type of undercarriage - usually with a small forward wheel. Please can someone give me the derivation of this term and what it means exactly. >> Due to war-time shortages main wheels were not used - merely a rollerskate wheel at the nose - most combatant nations had drives pleading for small children to donate for the cause - and the belly of the fuselage greased with margarine - butter was researved for the men in the trenches. John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:50:26 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roland D.VIb Colors Message-ID: <200102180411.UAA28057@mail.rapidnet.net> This aircraft is also seen in 7 photos in the DF on the type .... no colours are given though Bob ---------- > In anticipation of building the Mac Roland D.VIb I did a bit of digging and > came up with the scheme I want to finish it in. It's P-132, the one sent > over to the US and tested at Wright Field in 1920. I've got three photos > that show it in what appears to be a three-color scheme. It also appears > that there is a standard US star on the port upper wing, and the number 7502 > on the fuselage side. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the colors > might be (and a picture of the right side perhaps)? The photos I have are > out of the AAHS Journal Volume 4, Number 1. Also in that issue is the > Official 'Performance Test - Summary of Results'. If anyone is interested I > can make a PDF out of it. > > Sincerely, > Chris Banyai-Riepl > Publisher/Illustrator > Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:13:10 -0500 From: "TOM PLESHA" To: Subject: Re: Roland D.VIb Colors Message-ID: <000f01c09961$1b4ecb40$ed734c0c@tom> Actually it appears as 4 colors in the Datafile no.37. there are 6 pictures showing all sides including an overhead flight view. In addition, there are notes that there may have been a scheme of : dark blue, mid-green, yellow beige and mauve. Hope this helps TP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 10:38 PM Subject: Roland D.VIb Colors > In anticipation of building the Mac Roland D.VIb I did a bit of digging and > came up with the scheme I want to finish it in. It's P-132, the one sent > over to the US and tested at Wright Field in 1920. I've got three photos > that show it in what appears to be a three-color scheme. It also appears > that there is a standard US star on the port upper wing, and the number 7502 > on the fuselage side. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the colors > might be (and a picture of the right side perhaps)? The photos I have are > out of the AAHS Journal Volume 4, Number 1. Also in that issue is the > Official 'Performance Test - Summary of Results'. If anyone is interested I > can make a PDF out of it. > > Sincerely, > Chris Banyai-Riepl > Publisher/Illustrator > Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 01:16:06 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/48 Kits Message-ID: <3A8F68A6.A494B507@bellatlantic.net> The LFG Roland D.II is also available in injection molded plastic from Hi-Tech. Not a bad kit, available through Squadron mail order. Alvie Scottfking@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/15/01 8:39:09 PM EST, RadspadMike@netscape.net writes: > > << Are any of the following aircraft produced in 1/48th scale? If so, who > makes > > them, and where can I get a hold of them? > > · > > · DFW C.Va > > · LFG Roland D.II > > · > > These 2 are available as VacForms from Sierra Scale, according to Bob Norgren > they are still in production > > Skippy (Scott) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 04:36:18 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: X-acto was Rib Tapes Message-ID: <3a.10fc88bc.27c0f192@aol.com> As the definitive "tight @R$£" modeller I certainly don't throw my blades away as soon as they become dull. Old blades are useful for wing rib scribing ,as discussed currently in another thread, and for shaping Milliput, which dulls blades in short order. Just about the only knife I ever use is a big ugly DIY type Stanley (Yes I know, and it shows) and these can be sharpened on an oil stone.But I'm not quite that tight, yet ;) cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:35:30 -0000 From: "Karl Otto Titzlinger" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oleo derivation Message-ID:

The Oleo is so named because it was first patented by Fritz Freidrich Oleo von Baden-Baden (so good they named it twice) in 1911. After the conflict his patents had lapsed and what remained of his fortune went in reparations.

In 1922, and in collaboration with his wartime comrade in arms Viktor Wzjnski (the eagle of Dzerkov), Oleo developed the prosthetic buttock. A device from which many listees draw benefit to this day.

hth

Hptm Ritter (Dipl Ing) Karl Otto Titzlinger
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------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 06:48:43 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rhinebeck List Get-Together???? Message-ID: Sounds like a great idea. It's a good two hour trip - I'm such a shtick in der mud - but I'm game for this. Most likely have to bring the two little ones. Hmmm. What time of year is "black fly" season? Late Spring to Early Summer? That's when we SHOULDN'T go. Unless the black flies aren't a problem in that area. Of course, there's always insect repellent. June should promise the most comfortable weather, no? ~Steve di Giacomo In a message dated 2/17/1 9:28:12 PM, pugs99@att.net writes: << Hi All, I was wondering if there might be any interest in a Listees get-together at Old Rhinebeck this season?? If there is, let's see if we can pick a weekend or Sunday that everyone might like. The link to the 2001 schedule follows. I try to go several times a season, especially for the Vinatge Aircraft Fly-In and the Mid-Hudson RC Modelers weekend. Let me know. http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/sched2001.htm Regards, John Impenna >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 07:03:44 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Scale prgression: Re: ot query to Polish members Message-ID: <71.ad397ff.27c11420@aol.com> Hmmm. I see your point. I suppose this is just another case in which scale must be referred to the Minister of Voodoo in the Illuminati. In a message dated 2/17/1 11:02:55 PM, PolTexCW@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 2/17/1 1:25:54 PM, Stephendigiacomo@aol.com writes: << I don't have any problem with you posting this interesting query to the list, but you do realize, I hope, that if your plan as proposed is altered sufficiently - and whose plans are not before execution, that any such work which represents Polish-German action on October 4th '39 will have to be in 1/1 scale. >> Assuming of course an arithmetic progession. A geometric progression would result in a dispute of transcendental proportions - which in fact it is as any Pole (or German) would admit were he honest (or in his cups). Expansively, John >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:38:57 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pomerania Message-ID: <3A8FC261.A6EEC24A@bg.am.lodz.pl> Suvoroff@aol.com napisa³(a): > > "Since 1660 when the peace was signed in Oliwa we live in harmony." > > What about the Great Northern War with Charles XII chasing the King of Poland > (Augustus of Saxony) around the country? > > Yours, > James D. Gray Touché. How could I forgot that war. 1700-1721. Raise of Imeperial Russia with Peter I, begining fall of Poland. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:39:04 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roland D.VIb Colors Message-ID: <60.bbc8893.27c12a78@aol.com> In a message dated 2/17/01 10:36:10 PM EST, alga.graphics@gte.net writes: << In anticipation of building the Mac Roland D.VIb I did a bit of digging and came up with the scheme I want to finish it in. It's P-132, the one sent over to the US and tested at Wright Field in 1920. I've got three photos that show it in what appears to be a three-color scheme. It also appears that there is a standard US star on the port upper wing, and the number 7502 on the fuselage side. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the colors might be >> FWIW in the latest Windsock there is a review of the Interavia Roland. Apparently no great shakes as a model but one of the schemes provided is for the same machine you are asking about. Mr. Rimell's words on that scheme are something to the effect that Interavia is more sure of the colors than he is, however. Maybe a place to start, though? Skippy (Scott) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:04:21 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Idle,idle,idle or shot down? Message-ID: > Idle,idle,idle or shot down? Nope - just hiding in the clouds. Everything fine here - I just wish each message that comes in would bring me dime. I would become richer than the Gatesman himself then ;o). tataaaaaaa Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Hans > Trauner > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 2:12 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Idle,idle,idle or shot down? > > > Hey! > Is the list active?? Anybody out there? Please post any answer in > the list. > > Hans > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3096 **********************